Mike, back to YOU Re What you Need to Know About Massages Tuina.. MIKE

April 26, 2004

In a message dated 4/27/2004 12:18:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mike@... writes:

My Dear Mike

I hope you & your lovely Darlene, take this in which the spirit it is

inteneded. BUT, I beleive that we have a truly " kindred type of spirit " . We

know

that we've both taken a lot of the same courses. And, that we've each taken

some, that the other wishes that they had already taken. And this whole " Tuina "

thing, has me completely convinced. Honestly, I knew that there were multiple

levels & types of pulses, but knowing that this was going through the entire

CEDA list, I chose to keep it more simple for right now & figured I'd follow it

up in a bit, for a few reasons. It's been a nightmare few weeks & day to

forget in NYC.

One major ones is that I have had an exhusting few days, culminating in

seeing a new surgeon for my ankle, after 2 prior operations, today. I had a

fusion

done last April & after complaining of pain for at least 2 months, clearly

telling him that it was deep bone pain, he felt that it could be the screw &

felt that the X-Ray, showed a complete fusion & removed the screw only 4 months

later in August. BIG mistake, HUGE!

Long story short, the removal was a disaster. He asked me if he could do the

screw removal under local, with just an injection, in his office at the time,

in the O.R. at the start & 45 minutes after we entered the O.R. (that's 3

times), after the idiot (that's the nicest word I could use to describle the

alleged anesthesiologist) could not start an IV at the time of surgery!!! He

tried a minimum of 11-15 times, could not start an IV, wouldn't listen to a word

I

said & completely ignored me. Truthfully, I'm an RN, I was a hemodialysis

nurse, I have had @ 50 operations & countless procedures & likely hundreds &

hundreds of IV's put in. I know a lot, I mean a lot about IV's. He wouldn't

listen to any " hints " I suggested.

And then, the surgeon again began to beg me to let him remove the screw under

local, again, meaning of course a shot right into my ankle. I had said NO in

his office, NO at the start & NO for the third time in the O.R. when the

idiot couldn't start the IV. I had said no, for many reasons, the least of

which

was that the shot likely would produce no anesthesia, which I explained over &

over again. Believe it or not, against my will, he gave me the shot, which

was a killer & removed this huge screw & of course, I felt everything. I

literally tried several times to get off the table, but they had me tied down

everywhere & put an old style large mask over my mouth & nose, so that they

couldn't hear or didn't have to listen to me yell at them to stop, anymore.

Needless

to say, I was livid. And the surgeon's explanation to me post op, when I

asked him why, when I said NO, NO, NO, over and over, starting weeks before,

that

he went ahead & did it despite my VERY clear objection, he said he felt it was

in my " best interest " , since I had been through pre op & had been there an

hour. Nonesenese. He did it because HE had been there for an hour & he wasn't

about to lose the time!!!!! Well, having also been an RN paralegal for a

malpractice office for @ 7 years, would you guess that he picked the wrong

person

to mess with? I think I'll leave that there.

To quickly finish this, I saw a new surgeon today, becaue after the screw

removal, my ankle became increasingly more painful & if I told you all

everything

that happened since then, you almost wouldn't believe it, but it ended in a

total non fusion. So, now you know why I saw a new surgeon today & will have

to have the entire fusion redone, more complicated this time. And, I will have

to delay it until after the conference, as I don't have enough time to heal

properly pre-conference, due to the very intense post op course.

Bacl to Tuina. so that basically is why I didn't go into the different pulses

right now, but it was more than freaky at the time. I'm just exhuasted &

don't think I could have explained it as clearly, simply & easily as good as you

did. I only stopped the Tuina, because certain much need segments were

hurting me & it became very, very expensive, when he suddently left my

rheumatologist, who gave him his start & wasn't insurance covered & I had 2

children about

to start college & sky high taxes, on a big house, which we eventually sold 2

1/2 years ago. So it goes. I have many more " weapons in my arsenal against

EDS "

I would like to formally volunteer my pulse, wrist, etc., whatever you need

for your study & am fascinated & we simply must find a way for me to assist you

in you plans for the conference. I am arriving in Buffalo on Sunday, as I

offered, several months ago to help the crowd up in Buffalo, so depending on

when you intend to get there, we could plan something then or before & somewhere

in between. I will be staying at Sue's house, while we work on conference

stuff from the time I arrive on Suday, until I beleive, onTues. when we go to

the

hotel. So, let's be in touch.

I've got to go to sleep. Take care,

Given what I just went through the last four days with Visceral

Manipulation, I am really curious about correlating or integrating

Chinese Pulse Diagnostics with Visceral Manipulation " listening "

techniques on the actual physical organs. I am also really curious

about whether there are any consistent patterns with either where

EDS is involved. Are there consistent patterns for HEDS? For VEDS?

If there are, are they the same or different, HEDS versus VEDS?

That is going to be one of my little research projects when I am

traveling around the country this year. I hope to be able to put my

hands on several dozen sets of wrists to develop a research file.

In a message dated 4/27/2004 12:18:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mike@... writes:

A couple of years ago, I had several months of Chinese Tuina

treatments...He knew, in less than a minute, so many physical things

about me, just from feeling my radial pulse. And he was correct on

everything! I was almost freaked out by how much he knew just from

feeling my pulse. It was like he was reading my mind.

What I wanted to ask you is this...... Is the Tu Nia that you

mentioned above something similar, different or the same, but just

spelled differently,

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I will address your second point first. They are exactly the same.

I probably had it misspelled as two words instead of one. It is a

form of Chinese medical massage. I know WHAT it is but have had no

formal training or experience in it personally.

And he did not just read your " radial " pulse. In Chinese medicine

there is not just " one " pulse - there are twelve. There are six on

each wrist, three superficial and three deep. Each corresponds to a

specific meridian - kidney, lungs, gall bladder, etc. There is an

entire " field " called Pulse Diagnostics. You read the different

pulses in terms of strength, quality, etc. Is it strong and

vibrant? Is it weak? Does it have a fluttery, slippery or erratic

feel to it? Does it feel in excess or does it feel deficient?

There is a whole range of characteristics that they look at/listen

for. My Jin Shin Do training is just now starting to really get

into pulse reading. I have done enough of it in class now to be

intrigued by it.

What your 5th generation master was able to pick up in about a

minute does not surprise me in the least. It is a real art, taking

a life time to master. But with someone who has mastered it, their

ability will absolutely blow your mind on what they can pick up. I

think a master at pulse diagnostics can pick up more in less than

two minutes with his/her hands than half the fancy ass equipment in

most hospitals.