Re: Varicose vein hemorrhage?

[Guest guest]

OUCH OUCH OUCH!! I wish I had some expertise to offer you, , but I

don't - so I will send you positive, healing thoughts and get well prayers!

Love Lana 0 :-)

Varicose vein hemorrhage?

Hi all,

For a change, I actually have some time to get on for a little while,

although it's because I can't do much else. Thursday, at work, I suddenly

got a

terrific pain in my leg, discovered a very hard, very painful lump attached

to a

large, ropy varicose vein. I contacted my doctor and he checked it out and

initially thought a blood clot. But an ultrsound today didn't show any

blood

clots. The area is still very tender and hard and I have a bruised looking

area

about the size of my fist. I'm also still having trouble walking on it.

Back

when I was pregnant with my middle child - now 20 - I had either a blood

clot

or vein blow out. The pain and feeling was similar to what I have now. I

haven't had any of this since so I don't really know what it is. Doctor

said

phlebitis, but he didn't have any ideas about the bruising. Anybody have

any

ideas? I'm icing and elevating - anything else I should be doing? Thanks

for

any help.

Copeland

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/8/2004 1:18:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, EDSLana@...

writes:

Doctor

said

phlebitis, but he didn't have any ideas about the bruising. Anybody have

any

ideas? I'm icing and elevating - anything else I should be doing? Thanks

for

any help.

Copeland

ICING? NO! Moist heat and elevating is what is generally done for

phlebitis. They also sometimes put you on blood thinners, but that's usually

not if

it's just a surface vein....so maybe an aspirin wouldn't hurt. Did the doctor

mention that? My husband has been getting blood clots since he was 28. They

started when he was traveling and sitting for long periods of time.

Unfortunately, he gets the deep vein phlebitis, so he's on blood thinners full

time.

Hope this is your one and only!

Helen

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/8/2004 15:50:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

lukesgrace@... writes:

ICING? NO! Moist heat and elevating is what is generally done for

phlebitis.

********

Yes, yes yes!

Helen you are so right!

~~

Unless you have ever had RSD moist heat is the best!

I meant to post that earlier but got preoccupied.

Debbi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/8/2004 17:48:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

moondancer@... writes:

I'm sticking with ice for mine though- because heat really does make my veins

blow......

**********

What works best ... you know.

That is why when we post ... we hope everyone takes what we say with a grain

of salt.

For me ice would be best for my shoulder injury and I would die to be able to

use it but I have RSD and the ice would make it go berserk!

Everyone is a very different, separate and unique individual. Huh?

That is, what makes the world so very cool!

Debbi

[Guest guest]

Heat now? eeeeeeks......... Heat makes my veins burst- but I am different......

even the humidity of Michigan or opening the oven - ( leg level ) makes my veins

burst- I forgot to mention though that I did have my veins removed....... but it

didnt really do much......... I went to this doctor for pain- he found an 80

percent blockage in my right femoral artery- but no need to operate he

said........ he said that 80 percent wasn't bad..... and he put me on trental

and asked/ suggested we remove the large varicose veins......... which we did,

one leg at a time but he wouldn't give me enough pain killers to last the span

of pain time ( did not know I had EDS ) and I bled a lot- he used ice on it then

too- I was told not to even try using an electric blanket ever due to my veins?

----- wonder what this new dr of mine would say............. lol- they all

answer everyone so differen't- I think I'll toss that question at him if I

remember it during my appt on the 19th.

That was the big thing that threw my dr too was I was constantly on the go- and

mostly standing, very active - running two businesses and raising 3 boys.....

but they did ask if I sat for long periods of time- which the answer was no

then.....

But this same dr also told me that I had that blockage and it was something that

would never go away without stents (stints? ) - I began walking daily ( sure

cant do that now ) but at the time I started out an hr on the treadmill........

eventually getting up to 3 hrs on the treadmill per day- and when I had the

second test for the blockage- it was amazingly gone- they couldn't believe

it............ I was so relieved.......... but now that I am down more, I do

tend to worry off/on about that happening again but not for long........ am a

firm believer if you worry about something - it happens - so if it goes through

I shove it quickly aside.

Hugs- TJ

Re: Varicose vein hemorrhage?

In a message dated 5/8/2004 1:18:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, EDSLana@...

writes:

Doctor

said

phlebitis, but he didn't have any ideas about the bruising. Anybody have

any

ideas? I'm icing and elevating - anything else I should be doing? Thanks

for

any help.

Copeland

ICING? NO! Moist heat and elevating is what is generally done for

phlebitis. They also sometimes put you on blood thinners, but that's usually

not if

it's just a surface vein....so maybe an aspirin wouldn't hurt. Did the doctor

mention that? My husband has been getting blood clots since he was 28. They

started when he was traveling and sitting for long periods of time.

Unfortunately, he gets the deep vein phlebitis, so he's on blood thinners full

time.

Hope this is your one and only!

Helen

[Guest guest]

Wow- I guess just like for earaches- they change things- once you used ice- then

heat- then ice, then heat- which is it for ears now anyhow? LOL. I'm sticking

with ice for mine though- because heat really does make my veins blow......

Re: Varicose vein hemorrhage?

In a message dated 5/8/2004 15:50:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

lukesgrace@... writes:

ICING? NO! Moist heat and elevating is what is generally done for

phlebitis.

********

Yes, yes yes!

Helen you are so right!

~~

Unless you have ever had RSD moist heat is the best!

I meant to post that earlier but got preoccupied.

Debbi

[Guest guest]

You got that right- now if only doctors would realize this ? eh?

Re: Varicose vein hemorrhage?

In a message dated 5/8/2004 17:48:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

moondancer@... writes:

I'm sticking with ice for mine though- because heat really does make my veins

blow......

**********

What works best ... you know.

That is why when we post ... we hope everyone takes what we say with a grain

of salt.

For me ice would be best for my shoulder injury and I would die to be able to

use it but I have RSD and the ice would make it go berserk!

Everyone is a very different, separate and unique individual. Huh?

That is, what makes the world so very cool!

Debbi

[Guest guest]

Found this info at the following web address

http://veincenter.com/phlebitis.html

PHLEBITIS AND THROMBOSIS

Basically it means a clot in the vein. As the venous system is

divided in deep veins and superficial veins one can have clot in each

of the systems. Only very rarely clotting can occur in both of the

systems in the same time.

Superficial vein thrombosis or SVT is also called superficial

thrombophlebitis/phlebitis. The " itis " denotes that the vein is

engulfed in an inflamatory process: the skin around the vein is read

and painful. Swelling can be present as well. Unfortunately, many

physicians treat this condition with antibiotics. This is completely

unnecessary as in most of cases there is no bacterial infection. The

main cause for the condition are varicose veins. Blood stagnates in

those venous pools and will clot easily especially during inactivity.

Injecting varicose veins can lead to superficial phlebitis as well.

In the absence of varicose veins one should look for other reasons

such as malignancy elsewhere in the body, gout, Buerger's disease. or

an inherited tendency to clot. (See FAQ)

The treatment of the condition is simple: evacuation of clot if the

patient comes early to the physician, local compression with ace

bandages or surgical stockings, and ambulation. The only medication

to be given is ibuprofen (Motrin/Advil) 5-7 days that will ease the

pain and calm the inflamatory reaction. Occasionally SVT can be

associated with DVT. Only in these cases is anticoagulation treatment

necessary. If the underling condition for the superficial phlebitis

was varicose veins after the inflamatory process has cooled off,

surgery for the varicose veins is indicated.

Deep vein thrombosis (abbreviated as DVT) is ussually localized in

the deep veins of the calf but it can extend into the deep veins of

the thigh and even beyond. The more extensive the clot the more

dangerous the condition is. Among the clinical signs are calf pain

and swelling (edema) of the ankle and possibly calf. It is

potentially a dangerous conditions as a piece of the clot can " fly "

through the venous circulation and lodge in the lungs occluding the

pulmonary circulation. This is called pulmonary emboli or PE. It can

be fatal if it is massive.

Once DVT is suspected clinically it should be verified with a duplex

imager. If not found with this non invasive ultrasonic device, though

highly suspected on clinical grounds, an X-ray should be done (called

ascending phlebogram). A newer method is the magnetic resonance

phlebogram (MR phlebogram). Once diagnosed, the patient has to be

anticoagulated i.e. the blood has to be thinned out. In the begining

this is obtained with Heparin injections followed by Coumadin tablets

for aproximately 6 months. To adjust the proper dose hospitalization

for a few days up to a week is recommended. Compression treatment of

the calf is a must. If embolization does occur in spite of thinned

blood, filters have to be introduced in the main vein of the abdomen

(vena cava) to prevent PE. Damage to the deep vein valves by the

retracting clot in the ensuing months could leed in a few years to

venous circulatory problems in the leg that if not treated with

compression can evolve even into skin ulceration. This is chronic

venous insufficiency and venous ulceration repectivly.

The main question the physician has to find out why did DVT occur in

the first place? There is always a 25% DVT risk even in healthy

people who undergo surgery under general anesthesia.

After 40 years of age, and/or in surgery fo cancer, hip, urological

procedures , brain and gynecological surgery the incidence of post

operative DVT is even higher. Prevention is the best treatment. One

should always ask the surgeon and the anesthetist what are the

methods they will use to prevent DVT to occur during surgery. Usually

they are mechanical (compressive devices) and pharmacological (low

dose of subcutaneous injections of Heparin). If they do not intend to

use any of these, change both surgeon and anesthetist!

Long distance travel by car and be airplane can induce DVT as well

just by calf inactivity. In debilitating diseases with lengthy bed

rest the mechanism is identical: calf pump inactivity and blood

stagnation. Cancer in a distant organ can manifest itself with a calf

DVT! Once with DVT a person is prone to develop an other one. If it

is a recurring condition without obvious reason, the blood should be

checked ( blood tests) to rule out rare congenital hypercoagulability

states such as seen in defficiency in factor S, protein C,

antithrombin III, or presence of lupus anticoagulant. For additional

DVT information, please visit

http://www.pharminfo.com/disease/thrombo and

http://www.bu.edu/cohis/cardvasc/vessel/vein/dvt.htm.

[Guest guest]

Found this info at the following web address

http://veincenter.com/phlebitis.html

PHLEBITIS AND THROMBOSIS

Basically it means a clot in the vein. As the venous system is

divided in deep veins and superficial veins one can have clot in each

of the systems. Only very rarely clotting can occur in both of the

systems in the same time.

Superficial vein thrombosis or SVT is also called superficial

thrombophlebitis/phlebitis. The " itis " denotes that the vein is

engulfed in an inflamatory process: the skin around the vein is read

and painful. Swelling can be present as well. Unfortunately, many

physicians treat this condition with antibiotics. This is completely

unnecessary as in most of cases there is no bacterial infection. The

main cause for the condition are varicose veins. Blood stagnates in

those venous pools and will clot easily especially during inactivity.

Injecting varicose veins can lead to superficial phlebitis as well.

In the absence of varicose veins one should look for other reasons

such as malignancy elsewhere in the body, gout, Buerger's disease. or

an inherited tendency to clot. (See FAQ)

The treatment of the condition is simple: evacuation of clot if the

patient comes early to the physician, local compression with ace

bandages or surgical stockings, and ambulation. The only medication

to be given is ibuprofen (Motrin/Advil) 5-7 days that will ease the

pain and calm the inflamatory reaction. Occasionally SVT can be

associated with DVT. Only in these cases is anticoagulation treatment

necessary. If the underling condition for the superficial phlebitis

was varicose veins after the inflamatory process has cooled off,

surgery for the varicose veins is indicated.

Deep vein thrombosis (abbreviated as DVT) is ussually localized in

the deep veins of the calf but it can extend into the deep veins of

the thigh and even beyond. The more extensive the clot the more

dangerous the condition is. Among the clinical signs are calf pain

and swelling (edema) of the ankle and possibly calf. It is

potentially a dangerous conditions as a piece of the clot can " fly "

through the venous circulation and lodge in the lungs occluding the

pulmonary circulation. This is called pulmonary emboli or PE. It can

be fatal if it is massive.

Once DVT is suspected clinically it should be verified with a duplex

imager. If not found with this non invasive ultrasonic device, though

highly suspected on clinical grounds, an X-ray should be done (called

ascending phlebogram). A newer method is the magnetic resonance

phlebogram (MR phlebogram). Once diagnosed, the patient has to be

anticoagulated i.e. the blood has to be thinned out. In the begining

this is obtained with Heparin injections followed by Coumadin tablets

for aproximately 6 months. To adjust the proper dose hospitalization

for a few days up to a week is recommended. Compression treatment of

the calf is a must. If embolization does occur in spite of thinned

blood, filters have to be introduced in the main vein of the abdomen

(vena cava) to prevent PE. Damage to the deep vein valves by the

retracting clot in the ensuing months could leed in a few years to

venous circulatory problems in the leg that if not treated with

compression can evolve even into skin ulceration. This is chronic

venous insufficiency and venous ulceration repectivly.

The main question the physician has to find out why did DVT occur in

the first place? There is always a 25% DVT risk even in healthy

people who undergo surgery under general anesthesia.

After 40 years of age, and/or in surgery fo cancer, hip, urological

procedures , brain and gynecological surgery the incidence of post

operative DVT is even higher. Prevention is the best treatment. One

should always ask the surgeon and the anesthetist what are the

methods they will use to prevent DVT to occur during surgery. Usually

they are mechanical (compressive devices) and pharmacological (low

dose of subcutaneous injections of Heparin). If they do not intend to

use any of these, change both surgeon and anesthetist!

Long distance travel by car and be airplane can induce DVT as well

just by calf inactivity. In debilitating diseases with lengthy bed

rest the mechanism is identical: calf pump inactivity and blood

stagnation. Cancer in a distant organ can manifest itself with a calf

DVT! Once with DVT a person is prone to develop an other one. If it

is a recurring condition without obvious reason, the blood should be

checked ( blood tests) to rule out rare congenital hypercoagulability

states such as seen in defficiency in factor S, protein C,

antithrombin III, or presence of lupus anticoagulant. For additional

DVT information, please visit

http://www.pharminfo.com/disease/thrombo and

http://www.bu.edu/cohis/cardvasc/vessel/vein/dvt.htm.

[Guest guest]

-

What does it feel like when vein wall breaks? Is it a burning

feeling? Occasionally I get these horrible burning sensations in one

of my fingers - and from my visual inspection it looks like I a vein

wall has broken - the local area turns a blueish color and gets a bit

swollen - that's what I've always assumed it to be. It doesn't

happened very often, but usually coincides with turning a key or

opening the car door or something equally stenuous. Also, it seems

like if it happens once, I can count on it happening a couple more

times fairly soon and then it won't happen again for a long time. My

fingers have veins that sorta look like the varicose veins in my

legs.

> Dear ,

>

> It sounds like a vien wall broke - could be the varicosed vien

or a different one. I actually had this in my late teens. Woke up

with an egg size lump in my calf, which is caused by the outpour of

blood into the muscle. The nasty bruising is the blood being absorbed

by the muscle.

>

> Treatment is constant elevation and a surgical stocking to

apply pressure. These can be picked up at a medical supply store -

may even be able to get them at big drugstores now. The surgical

stocking which covers the whole leg must be worn all the time. Don't

remember how long I had to wear it and keep the leg elevated but know

it was a week or two. May want to check WebMD out or someplace like

it.

>

> Hugs,

> B.

> HEDS, New Jersey, USA

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

What does it feel like when vein wall breaks? Is it a burning

feeling? Occasionally I get these horrible burning sensations in one

of my fingers - and from my visual inspection it looks like I a vein

wall has broken - the local area turns a blueish color and gets a bit

swollen - that's what I've always assumed it to be. It doesn't

happened very often, but usually coincides with turning a key or

opening the car door or something equally stenuous. Also, it seems

like if it happens once, I can count on it happening a couple more

times fairly soon and then it won't happen again for a long time. My

fingers have veins that sorta look like the varicose veins in my

legs.

> Dear ,

>

> It sounds like a vien wall broke - could be the varicosed vien

or a different one. I actually had this in my late teens. Woke up

with an egg size lump in my calf, which is caused by the outpour of

blood into the muscle. The nasty bruising is the blood being absorbed

by the muscle.

>

> Treatment is constant elevation and a surgical stocking to

apply pressure. These can be picked up at a medical supply store -

may even be able to get them at big drugstores now. The surgical

stocking which covers the whole leg must be worn all the time. Don't

remember how long I had to wear it and keep the leg elevated but know

it was a week or two. May want to check WebMD out or someplace like

it.

>

> Hugs,

> B.

> HEDS, New Jersey, USA

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

What does it feel like when vein wall breaks? Is it a burning

feeling? Occasionally I get these horrible burning sensations in one

of my fingers - and from my visual inspection it looks like I a vein

wall has broken - the local area turns a blueish color and gets a bit

swollen - that's what I've always assumed it to be. It doesn't

happened very often, but usually coincides with turning a key or

opening the car door or something equally stenuous. Also, it seems

like if it happens once, I can count on it happening a couple more

times fairly soon and then it won't happen again for a long time. My

fingers have veins that sorta look like the varicose veins in my

legs.

> Dear ,

>

> It sounds like a vien wall broke - could be the varicosed vien

or a different one. I actually had this in my late teens. Woke up

with an egg size lump in my calf, which is caused by the outpour of

blood into the muscle. The nasty bruising is the blood being absorbed

by the muscle.

>

> Treatment is constant elevation and a surgical stocking to

apply pressure. These can be picked up at a medical supply store -

may even be able to get them at big drugstores now. The surgical

stocking which covers the whole leg must be worn all the time. Don't

remember how long I had to wear it and keep the leg elevated but know

it was a week or two. May want to check WebMD out or someplace like

it.

>

> Hugs,

> B.

> HEDS, New Jersey, USA

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ya know- I was reading all this below- and have had the same problems but some

of the remedies listed here have really

done a lot more damage to me- such as the coumadin- blood thinner- and the

Ibuprophin ( to this day, if I take Ibuprophin- I bruise instantly)-

I was never given antibiotics for it . Definite on the swelling, dang near 3 x

the size of normal leg...... They

(drs) never removed them or even tried....... I did wear surgical stockings

ever since baby #1 so that would be 1984- faithfully- not a day

Have I went without those- even though they are hard to put on/off- its to the

point now that I've worn them for so many days- to go without is weirrrrrd-----

almost can't stand it.... I hate anything except nylons touching my legs- I

rarely cover them at night - if ever. But that was one of the reasons I was

surprised that I ended up with these problems so many times, because I did wear

the hose daily..... and not the wrong compression either...... dr ordered the

compression......

Was far from inactive, very hyperactive, worked 2 jobs at the time- took my

kids with me- ran parts on machines- did paperwork, walked down town to get

things off and on....... basically so hyper that it made my mother dizzy ( as

she so said back then- she said " slow down " ) So none of that makes any sense

to me.

Also had the calf pain, swelling and even drs would note small blood clots and

then have me elevate legs above head - which thank God- I knew better than to

do- everytime the nurse left the room- I raised my head again, which made them

angry and that hospital told me they would never accept me as a patient again

because I didn't listen to the rules- had I, I could have died........

I don't know- but like someone said yesterday- everyone is different - and the

below is definitely what I've went through more than once- ( deep vein )- and

any of those remedies tried there except for the stockings only created more

problems for me- in fact- had I been left on coumadin , she said I would have

bled to death....... I was only on it a week , when she realized that it was

doing this and took me off it and put me on one asprin a day- and told me to

stay away from Ibuprophin and any type of blood thinning medicines.

I guess you could say, I'm baffled that all the remedies listed are the ones

that nearly killed me.

Hugs- TJ

Found this info at the following web address

http://veincenter.com/phlebitis.html

PHLEBITIS AND THROMBOSIS

Basically it means a clot in the vein. As the venous system is

divided in deep veins and superficial veins one can have clot in each

of the systems. Only very rarely clotting can occur in both of the

systems in the same time.

Superficial vein thrombosis or SVT is also called superficial

thrombophlebitis/phlebitis. The " itis " denotes that the vein is

engulfed in an inflamatory process: the skin around the vein is read

and painful. Swelling can be present as well. Unfortunately, many

physicians treat this condition with antibiotics. This is completely

unnecessary as in most of cases there is no bacterial infection. The

main cause for the condition are varicose veins. Blood stagnates in

those venous pools and will clot easily especially during inactivity.

Injecting varicose veins can lead to superficial phlebitis as well.

In the absence of varicose veins one should look for other reasons

such as malignancy elsewhere in the body, gout, Buerger's disease. or

an inherited tendency to clot. (See FAQ)

The treatment of the condition is simple: evacuation of clot if the

patient comes early to the physician, local compression with ace

bandages or surgical stockings, and ambulation. The only medication

to be given is ibuprofen (Motrin/Advil) 5-7 days that will ease the

pain and calm the inflamatory reaction. Occasionally SVT can be

associated with DVT. Only in these cases is anticoagulation treatment

necessary. If the underling condition for the superficial phlebitis

was varicose veins after the inflamatory process has cooled off,

surgery for the varicose veins is indicated.

Deep vein thrombosis (abbreviated as DVT) is ussually localized in

the deep veins of the calf but it can extend into the deep veins of

the thigh and even beyond. The more extensive the clot the more

dangerous the condition is. Among the clinical signs are calf pain

and swelling (edema) of the ankle and possibly calf. It is

potentially a dangerous conditions as a piece of the clot can " fly "

through the venous circulation and lodge in the lungs occluding the

pulmonary circulation. This is called pulmonary emboli or PE. It can

be fatal if it is massive.

Once DVT is suspected clinically it should be verified with a duplex

imager. If not found with this non invasive ultrasonic device, though

highly suspected on clinical grounds, an X-ray should be done (called

ascending phlebogram). A newer method is the magnetic resonance

phlebogram (MR phlebogram). Once diagnosed, the patient has to be

anticoagulated i.e. the blood has to be thinned out. In the begining

this is obtained with Heparin injections followed by Coumadin tablets

for aproximately 6 months. To adjust the proper dose hospitalization

for a few days up to a week is recommended. Compression treatment of

the calf is a must. If embolization does occur in spite of thinned

blood, filters have to be introduced in the main vein of the abdomen

(vena cava) to prevent PE. Damage to the deep vein valves by the

retracting clot in the ensuing months could leed in a few years to

venous circulatory problems in the leg that if not treated with

compression can evolve even into skin ulceration. This is chronic

venous insufficiency and venous ulceration repectivly.

The main question the physician has to find out why did DVT occur in

the first place? There is always a 25% DVT risk even in healthy

people who undergo surgery under general anesthesia.

After 40 years of age, and/or in surgery fo cancer, hip, urological

procedures , brain and gynecological surgery the incidence of post

operative DVT is even higher. Prevention is the best treatment. One

should always ask the surgeon and the anesthetist what are the

methods they will use to prevent DVT to occur during surgery. Usually

they are mechanical (compressive devices) and pharmacological (low

dose of subcutaneous injections of Heparin). If they do not intend to

use any of these, change both surgeon and anesthetist!

Long distance travel by car and be airplane can induce DVT as well

just by calf inactivity. In debilitating diseases with lengthy bed

rest the mechanism is identical: calf pump inactivity and blood

stagnation. Cancer in a distant organ can manifest itself with a calf

DVT! Once with DVT a person is prone to develop an other one. If it

is a recurring condition without obvious reason, the blood should be

checked ( blood tests) to rule out rare congenital hypercoagulability

states such as seen in defficiency in factor S, protein C,

antithrombin III, or presence of lupus anticoagulant. For additional

DVT information, please visit

http://www.pharminfo.com/disease/thrombo and

http://www.bu.edu/cohis/cardvasc/vessel/vein/dvt.htm.

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ehlersdanlos.ca

[Guest guest]

Ya know- I was reading all this below- and have had the same problems but some

of the remedies listed here have really

done a lot more damage to me- such as the coumadin- blood thinner- and the

Ibuprophin ( to this day, if I take Ibuprophin- I bruise instantly)-

I was never given antibiotics for it . Definite on the swelling, dang near 3 x

the size of normal leg...... They

(drs) never removed them or even tried....... I did wear surgical stockings

ever since baby #1 so that would be 1984- faithfully- not a day

Have I went without those- even though they are hard to put on/off- its to the

point now that I've worn them for so many days- to go without is weirrrrrd-----

almost can't stand it.... I hate anything except nylons touching my legs- I

rarely cover them at night - if ever. But that was one of the reasons I was

surprised that I ended up with these problems so many times, because I did wear

the hose daily..... and not the wrong compression either...... dr ordered the

compression......

Was far from inactive, very hyperactive, worked 2 jobs at the time- took my

kids with me- ran parts on machines- did paperwork, walked down town to get

things off and on....... basically so hyper that it made my mother dizzy ( as

she so said back then- she said " slow down " ) So none of that makes any sense

to me.

Also had the calf pain, swelling and even drs would note small blood clots and

then have me elevate legs above head - which thank God- I knew better than to

do- everytime the nurse left the room- I raised my head again, which made them

angry and that hospital told me they would never accept me as a patient again

because I didn't listen to the rules- had I, I could have died........

I don't know- but like someone said yesterday- everyone is different - and the

below is definitely what I've went through more than once- ( deep vein )- and

any of those remedies tried there except for the stockings only created more

problems for me- in fact- had I been left on coumadin , she said I would have

bled to death....... I was only on it a week , when she realized that it was

doing this and took me off it and put me on one asprin a day- and told me to

stay away from Ibuprophin and any type of blood thinning medicines.

I guess you could say, I'm baffled that all the remedies listed are the ones

that nearly killed me.

Hugs- TJ

Found this info at the following web address

http://veincenter.com/phlebitis.html

PHLEBITIS AND THROMBOSIS

Basically it means a clot in the vein. As the venous system is

divided in deep veins and superficial veins one can have clot in each

of the systems. Only very rarely clotting can occur in both of the

systems in the same time.

Superficial vein thrombosis or SVT is also called superficial

thrombophlebitis/phlebitis. The " itis " denotes that the vein is

engulfed in an inflamatory process: the skin around the vein is read

and painful. Swelling can be present as well. Unfortunately, many

physicians treat this condition with antibiotics. This is completely

unnecessary as in most of cases there is no bacterial infection. The

main cause for the condition are varicose veins. Blood stagnates in

those venous pools and will clot easily especially during inactivity.

Injecting varicose veins can lead to superficial phlebitis as well.

In the absence of varicose veins one should look for other reasons

such as malignancy elsewhere in the body, gout, Buerger's disease. or

an inherited tendency to clot. (See FAQ)

The treatment of the condition is simple: evacuation of clot if the

patient comes early to the physician, local compression with ace

bandages or surgical stockings, and ambulation. The only medication

to be given is ibuprofen (Motrin/Advil) 5-7 days that will ease the

pain and calm the inflamatory reaction. Occasionally SVT can be

associated with DVT. Only in these cases is anticoagulation treatment

necessary. If the underling condition for the superficial phlebitis

was varicose veins after the inflamatory process has cooled off,

surgery for the varicose veins is indicated.

Deep vein thrombosis (abbreviated as DVT) is ussually localized in

the deep veins of the calf but it can extend into the deep veins of

the thigh and even beyond. The more extensive the clot the more

dangerous the condition is. Among the clinical signs are calf pain

and swelling (edema) of the ankle and possibly calf. It is

potentially a dangerous conditions as a piece of the clot can " fly "

through the venous circulation and lodge in the lungs occluding the

pulmonary circulation. This is called pulmonary emboli or PE. It can

be fatal if it is massive.

Once DVT is suspected clinically it should be verified with a duplex

imager. If not found with this non invasive ultrasonic device, though

highly suspected on clinical grounds, an X-ray should be done (called

ascending phlebogram). A newer method is the magnetic resonance

phlebogram (MR phlebogram). Once diagnosed, the patient has to be

anticoagulated i.e. the blood has to be thinned out. In the begining

this is obtained with Heparin injections followed by Coumadin tablets

for aproximately 6 months. To adjust the proper dose hospitalization

for a few days up to a week is recommended. Compression treatment of

the calf is a must. If embolization does occur in spite of thinned

blood, filters have to be introduced in the main vein of the abdomen

(vena cava) to prevent PE. Damage to the deep vein valves by the

retracting clot in the ensuing months could leed in a few years to

venous circulatory problems in the leg that if not treated with

compression can evolve even into skin ulceration. This is chronic

venous insufficiency and venous ulceration repectivly.

The main question the physician has to find out why did DVT occur in

the first place? There is always a 25% DVT risk even in healthy

people who undergo surgery under general anesthesia.

After 40 years of age, and/or in surgery fo cancer, hip, urological

procedures , brain and gynecological surgery the incidence of post

operative DVT is even higher. Prevention is the best treatment. One

should always ask the surgeon and the anesthetist what are the

methods they will use to prevent DVT to occur during surgery. Usually

they are mechanical (compressive devices) and pharmacological (low

dose of subcutaneous injections of Heparin). If they do not intend to

use any of these, change both surgeon and anesthetist!

Long distance travel by car and be airplane can induce DVT as well

just by calf inactivity. In debilitating diseases with lengthy bed

rest the mechanism is identical: calf pump inactivity and blood

stagnation. Cancer in a distant organ can manifest itself with a calf

DVT! Once with DVT a person is prone to develop an other one. If it

is a recurring condition without obvious reason, the blood should be

checked ( blood tests) to rule out rare congenital hypercoagulability

states such as seen in defficiency in factor S, protein C,

antithrombin III, or presence of lupus anticoagulant. For additional

DVT information, please visit

http://www.pharminfo.com/disease/thrombo and

http://www.bu.edu/cohis/cardvasc/vessel/vein/dvt.htm.

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ehlersdanlos.ca

[Guest guest]

Ya know- I was reading all this below- and have had the same problems but some

of the remedies listed here have really

done a lot more damage to me- such as the coumadin- blood thinner- and the

Ibuprophin ( to this day, if I take Ibuprophin- I bruise instantly)-

I was never given antibiotics for it . Definite on the swelling, dang near 3 x

the size of normal leg...... They

(drs) never removed them or even tried....... I did wear surgical stockings

ever since baby #1 so that would be 1984- faithfully- not a day

Have I went without those- even though they are hard to put on/off- its to the

point now that I've worn them for so many days- to go without is weirrrrrd-----

almost can't stand it.... I hate anything except nylons touching my legs- I

rarely cover them at night - if ever. But that was one of the reasons I was

surprised that I ended up with these problems so many times, because I did wear

the hose daily..... and not the wrong compression either...... dr ordered the

compression......

Was far from inactive, very hyperactive, worked 2 jobs at the time- took my

kids with me- ran parts on machines- did paperwork, walked down town to get

things off and on....... basically so hyper that it made my mother dizzy ( as

she so said back then- she said " slow down " ) So none of that makes any sense

to me.

Also had the calf pain, swelling and even drs would note small blood clots and

then have me elevate legs above head - which thank God- I knew better than to

do- everytime the nurse left the room- I raised my head again, which made them

angry and that hospital told me they would never accept me as a patient again

because I didn't listen to the rules- had I, I could have died........

I don't know- but like someone said yesterday- everyone is different - and the

below is definitely what I've went through more than once- ( deep vein )- and

any of those remedies tried there except for the stockings only created more

problems for me- in fact- had I been left on coumadin , she said I would have

bled to death....... I was only on it a week , when she realized that it was

doing this and took me off it and put me on one asprin a day- and told me to

stay away from Ibuprophin and any type of blood thinning medicines.

I guess you could say, I'm baffled that all the remedies listed are the ones

that nearly killed me.

Hugs- TJ

Found this info at the following web address

http://veincenter.com/phlebitis.html

PHLEBITIS AND THROMBOSIS

Basically it means a clot in the vein. As the venous system is

divided in deep veins and superficial veins one can have clot in each

of the systems. Only very rarely clotting can occur in both of the

systems in the same time.

Superficial vein thrombosis or SVT is also called superficial

thrombophlebitis/phlebitis. The " itis " denotes that the vein is

engulfed in an inflamatory process: the skin around the vein is read

and painful. Swelling can be present as well. Unfortunately, many

physicians treat this condition with antibiotics. This is completely

unnecessary as in most of cases there is no bacterial infection. The

main cause for the condition are varicose veins. Blood stagnates in

those venous pools and will clot easily especially during inactivity.

Injecting varicose veins can lead to superficial phlebitis as well.

In the absence of varicose veins one should look for other reasons

such as malignancy elsewhere in the body, gout, Buerger's disease. or

an inherited tendency to clot. (See FAQ)

The treatment of the condition is simple: evacuation of clot if the

patient comes early to the physician, local compression with ace

bandages or surgical stockings, and ambulation. The only medication

to be given is ibuprofen (Motrin/Advil) 5-7 days that will ease the

pain and calm the inflamatory reaction. Occasionally SVT can be

associated with DVT. Only in these cases is anticoagulation treatment

necessary. If the underling condition for the superficial phlebitis

was varicose veins after the inflamatory process has cooled off,

surgery for the varicose veins is indicated.

Deep vein thrombosis (abbreviated as DVT) is ussually localized in

the deep veins of the calf but it can extend into the deep veins of

the thigh and even beyond. The more extensive the clot the more

dangerous the condition is. Among the clinical signs are calf pain

and swelling (edema) of the ankle and possibly calf. It is

potentially a dangerous conditions as a piece of the clot can " fly "

through the venous circulation and lodge in the lungs occluding the

pulmonary circulation. This is called pulmonary emboli or PE. It can

be fatal if it is massive.

Once DVT is suspected clinically it should be verified with a duplex

imager. If not found with this non invasive ultrasonic device, though

highly suspected on clinical grounds, an X-ray should be done (called

ascending phlebogram). A newer method is the magnetic resonance

phlebogram (MR phlebogram). Once diagnosed, the patient has to be

anticoagulated i.e. the blood has to be thinned out. In the begining

this is obtained with Heparin injections followed by Coumadin tablets

for aproximately 6 months. To adjust the proper dose hospitalization

for a few days up to a week is recommended. Compression treatment of

the calf is a must. If embolization does occur in spite of thinned

blood, filters have to be introduced in the main vein of the abdomen

(vena cava) to prevent PE. Damage to the deep vein valves by the

retracting clot in the ensuing months could leed in a few years to

venous circulatory problems in the leg that if not treated with

compression can evolve even into skin ulceration. This is chronic

venous insufficiency and venous ulceration repectivly.

The main question the physician has to find out why did DVT occur in

the first place? There is always a 25% DVT risk even in healthy

people who undergo surgery under general anesthesia.

After 40 years of age, and/or in surgery fo cancer, hip, urological

procedures , brain and gynecological surgery the incidence of post

operative DVT is even higher. Prevention is the best treatment. One

should always ask the surgeon and the anesthetist what are the

methods they will use to prevent DVT to occur during surgery. Usually

they are mechanical (compressive devices) and pharmacological (low

dose of subcutaneous injections of Heparin). If they do not intend to

use any of these, change both surgeon and anesthetist!

Long distance travel by car and be airplane can induce DVT as well

just by calf inactivity. In debilitating diseases with lengthy bed

rest the mechanism is identical: calf pump inactivity and blood

stagnation. Cancer in a distant organ can manifest itself with a calf

DVT! Once with DVT a person is prone to develop an other one. If it

is a recurring condition without obvious reason, the blood should be

checked ( blood tests) to rule out rare congenital hypercoagulability

states such as seen in defficiency in factor S, protein C,

antithrombin III, or presence of lupus anticoagulant. For additional

DVT information, please visit

http://www.pharminfo.com/disease/thrombo and

http://www.bu.edu/cohis/cardvasc/vessel/vein/dvt.htm.

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ehlersdanlos.ca