Guest guest Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 : Oooo - that means I can name and trademark what I'm doing - cool. Mike: While you are at it, think of a good one for me as well, because I haven't got a clue half the time anymore just what it is that I am doing. I blend or integrate so many different things into any given session that I don't know what to call what I do. : The PT tried to do the limb unwinding - but it was pretty pathetic. Mike: Yeah, you basically put the arm or leg in a " position " and apply a slight pressure to get it started on its own. You then " support " the limb against gravity but avoid any assistance in the unwind. My attempts at it have been pretty pathetic also. : My chiro has done the whole body unwinding…She also has done another type of unwinding – not sure what it is called and not sure if it is somato-emotional release. She put her hands on top of my head and then just let them go where they wanted to go…I remember her saying that sometimes emotions get involved…If I remember correctly - the principle is that our bodies are torqued in various areas and they shouldn't be - this unwinding allows our bodies to untorque themselves. This obviously would involve fascia. Mike: A general type of MFR unwinding as taught in level I by uses the supported head technique. There are a lot of different " principles " depending on who is doing the teaching (or marketing the modality). I am not being cynical. I have just been exposed to too many " techniques " that are identical but have completely different names (and sometimes different purposes or intents as well) depending on the modality. Emotional releases are not only possible specifically with unwindings, they are possible with ANY bodywork. And you are right that it involves fascia. : my chiro frequently says that 2 of my girls have the classic or typical whiplash pattern Mike: What's a " classic pattern? " Most people think of car accidents when they think of whiplash. Fine. Were you in the car at the stop sign that got rear-ended or were you in the car doing the rear-ending? A whiplash is caused by a sudden acceleration of the head and neck relative to the body followed by an immediate deceleration. Think about the stop sign example. If you are in the car " at rest " the initial impact force will accelerate your head and neck rearward, followed by a deceleration in the opposite direction. If you are in the offending car, the force of impact from coming to an abrupt stop will first accelerate your head and neck forward, relative to your body. Same accident, but the injury patterns will be exactly opposite for occupants of the two cars. Let's compound the question. Instead of being at rest and getting rear-ended, assume that you are half way through the intersection and some bozo runs the red light and T-bones you. You now have a side-impact situation and the injury patterns will be to the sides of the neck instead of front or back of the neck. What if someone is sitting sideways in the seat at time of impact for any of the examples? Again, what constitutes a " classic pattern? " : But wouldn't lax ligaments - that are over stretchy - be part of the cause of the tight and stressed muscles? Over stretchy ligaments provide an enviroment for the muscles to overstretch and get damaged - aquire trigger points. Mike: You have to remember that tendons/muscles have different physical properties, characteristics, and purposes than ligaments. Tendons are simply the muscle ends where they attach to bone. (The difference between a tendon and a ligament is that a tendon attaches muscle to bone and a ligament attaches bone to bone). Both are made up of " connective tissue " but with different physical properties. Tendons have a contractile and/or elastic property that ligaments don't. If you damage a tendon in a " stretch " injury, it can recover its elasticity. A stretched ligament can't. You can also " strengthen " a muscle where you can't a ligament. To the extent that everything in the body is interrelated, yes, excessively stretched ligaments are a factor. The biggest factor that I would see relative to EDS and dislocations is the loss of ability to help hold joints together, such as the head of the humerus in the shoulder socket. The other thing, depending on location, is that muscles can be strengthened to compensate for lax ligaments. In your specific whiplash case, you are still focusing on the tight muscles as the cause of the problem. I don't think so – I think that the tight, stressed muscles are a symptom. It isn't that they are in a chronic, muscle firing contraction, it is that they are in a chronically shortened position because their antagonist muscles (the injured muscles) are overly stretched and weak. The extensors don't have the strength to hold the head upright so the flexors are forced into a shortened position as the head droops. You can work on the flexors (tightness and trigger points) all you want but you won't get a long-term fix until you address the extensors. You get temporary symptomatic relief but no long-term fix. : I'll check to see if there are trigger points in any of the extention muscles. Mike: You may or may not have trigger points in the extensors. You tend to get trigger points more from a shortened position than a lengthened position. : this is one area that my chiro and I disagree - she says the tight/weak muscles are the symptome and the subluxation in the cause Mike: WARNING, WARNING, WARNING – BAD LANGUAGE AHEAD: Horses*** : I know my chiro can and will do muscle evaluation - she's done it for me with my pelvic troubles. I don't remember her checking Rebekah though. ...I have a book that goes through and checks many muscles for strength and flexibility - it's a yoga book. The premise is that strength and flexibility issues in muscles cause many postural problems - i.e., that many postural problems are just a symptom of muscle imbalance. Mike: Excellent idea. If you have the book and know how to do the tests, I highly encourage you to do so. I agree with the premise. : Yeah, I know some of these people - I'm related to some of them... Mike: What's the expression? We can choose our friends but are stuck with our families? : I have had the girls doing gentle stretches for several months now and it hasn't done any good Mike: For what it's worth, I personally absolutely hate stretching. I don't like using ice either, unless it's part of some type of " internal " pain management treatment (usually involving a high grade of Scotch whiskey). : I will happily take any exercise for stretching and strengthening you have. Mike: I need to think about this one in terms of specific exercises for specific muscles. : - oh where is the quiet uninterrupted time Mike: Where do you get off thinking you are entitled to something denied the rest of us? : And I think more than ever that the problem with her forward tilt head and her reverse curl neck is due to the muscles and not the subluxation. I still think that the ligaments allow excess movement which certainly contributes to the muscles 'damage'. Mike: Agreed. One other thing – I was going to look up some polarity or acupressure routines for you (or somebody) on something and haven't gotten to it yet. Was it for you? For the Psoas? I am getting behind on staying up with everything, especially with having the four days in class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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