Andy-URGENT-Can DMSA cause Lupus

[Guest guest]

Andy,

Hi. I had my amalgams out last year and started very conservative

DMSA/ALA chelation after conferring with you. So I chelated about 5

rounds and then stopped, waited a few months and now started again.

Well I went for a blood test because I have been getting dizzy every

day, several random times a day and slight headaches. Results of WBC

were high at 11.5 on scale of 4.0-10.5. Mono% was low at 3 on scale

of 4-13, and NEUT, ABS was high at 8.2 with scale of 1.8-7.8. Worse

still, my ANA AB was borderline, my ANA Pattern wa homogeneous was N,

and my ANA TITER was 1:80~the doctor says this is borderline LUPUS.

So, my questions:

1. Do you think this test could be " off " due to the mercury fillings

coming out?

2. Should I continue to chelate?

3. If yes to chelation, DMSA/ALA, or DMSA only or ALA only?

On page 109 of your book, first paragraph, you say that a few

physicians believe DMSA and perhaps DMPS may exacerbate autoimmune

disease.

4. Should I continue to do rounds and then take another test?

5. If the mercury is causing the test results, it make sense to me

to take the mercury out via chelation. Do you agree.

6. When the mercury is out, would the " Lupus " result go away?

7. Should I chelate with " just " vitamins, like C, etc.

I'm so confused. Please advise. You have steered me right for the

last 2 years and I appreciate you. My son also appreciates

you.

DebbieG. (Remember me, the person bugging you at every conference I

run into you at.):-)

[Guest guest]

Hi DebbieG -

This is interesting. I've had a similar experience, and like you, I

chelated about 5 or 6 rounds (ALA alone) and then stopped. I haven't

had the opportunity to have the testing done that you've had, but I

am also experiencing very frequent daily dizzy spells,

disorientation, weakness and slight headaches. I never had too much

in the way of arthritic type problems before (except in the knees),

but I now have definate joint pains all over my body, some

inflammation, a tingling sensation and feeling of pressure in my

forehead, as well as tingling sensations in my arms, legs, cheeks and

jaws. Just last week I met with a doctor who suggested I get a full

workup for MS based on these new symptoms. There have been periods

in the last couple of weeks where I've wondered if I might have

suffered a minor stroke.

I've spoken with a few people who had taken a break from chelation

after only a small number of rounds, and they have all emphasized

that taking an early break is not a good thing to do. Each seems to

have experienced a regression or flare up of symptoms. In my own

case, I'm reluctant to begin chelating again right away because I

experienced a pain and 'sucking' sensation in my mollar teeth and jaw

after I doubled my ALA dose from 12.5mg to 25mg. I also began

experiencing a type of migraine that I hadn't experienced in a long

time and TMJ type symptoms which I also haven't had to deal with in a

number of years. Until I see a biological dentist who takes the idea

of metal toxicity seriously and who can review my x-rays and assess

whether or not I have any metals left under my composite fillings,

I'm afraid to resume the ALA. However, if I didn't have concerns

that there might be some mercury still in my teeth, I would resume

chelating immediately. I did notice some very significant and

encouraging improvements while taking the ALA.

I suspect that the arthritic/joint pains, dizziness and weakness will

go away again once I resume chelating. I also suspect that the same

would be true in your case, although there is of course no way of

knowing for sure.

Why did you stop chelating after 5 rounds? How many rounds have you

done since you started again? What dosage were you using before, and

what dosage are you using now?

(This is all a bit off topic for the group ... I hope

that nobody minds too much. I think that we all have a common

interest in the properties of these medications and in the effects

that they may have on various individuals in various circumstances).

> Andy,

>

> Hi. I had my amalgams out last year and started very conservative

> DMSA/ALA chelation after conferring with you. So I chelated about

5

> rounds and then stopped, waited a few months and now started

again.

> Well I went for a blood test because I have been getting dizzy

every

> day, several random times a day and slight headaches. Results of

WBC

> were high at 11.5 on scale of 4.0-10.5. Mono% was low at 3 on

scale

> of 4-13, and NEUT, ABS was high at 8.2 with scale of 1.8-7.8.

Worse

> still, my ANA AB was borderline, my ANA Pattern wa homogeneous was

N,

> and my ANA TITER was 1:80~the doctor says this is borderline

LUPUS.

> So, my questions:

>

> 1. Do you think this test could be " off " due to the mercury

fillings

> coming out?

> 2. Should I continue to chelate?

> 3. If yes to chelation, DMSA/ALA, or DMSA only or ALA only?

>

> On page 109 of your book, first paragraph, you say that a few

> physicians believe DMSA and perhaps DMPS may exacerbate autoimmune

> disease.

> 4. Should I continue to do rounds and then take another test?

> 5. If the mercury is causing the test results, it make sense to me

> to take the mercury out via chelation. Do you agree.

> 6. When the mercury is out, would the " Lupus " result go away?

> 7. Should I chelate with " just " vitamins, like C, etc.

>

> I'm so confused. Please advise. You have steered me right for the

> last 2 years and I appreciate you. My son also appreciates

> you.

>

> DebbieG. (Remember me, the person bugging you at every conference

I

> run into you at.):-)

[Guest guest]

These are all symptoms of mercury poisoning, probably caused by moving the

mercury through. Did you do every four hours, round the clock? Try high

doses of Vit C to manage your symptoms for now.

About the amalgams--My hubby had his removed and he had several crowns we

were unsure of. He didn't know if he wanted to spend the money to check

them out, but we did, and one of them did have amalgam underneath.

Barb

[ ] Re: Andy-URGENT-Can DMSA cause Lupus

> Hi DebbieG -

>

> This is interesting. I've had a similar experience, and like you, I

> chelated about 5 or 6 rounds (ALA alone) and then stopped. I haven't

> had the opportunity to have the testing done that you've had, but I

> am also experiencing very frequent daily dizzy spells,

> disorientation, weakness and slight headaches. I never had too much

> in the way of arthritic type problems before (except in the knees),

> but I now have definate joint pains all over my body, some

> inflammation, a tingling sensation and feeling of pressure in my

> forehead, as well as tingling sensations in my arms, legs, cheeks and

> jaws. Just last week I met with a doctor who suggested I get a full

> workup for MS based on these new symptoms. There have been periods

> in the last couple of weeks where I've wondered if I might have

> suffered a minor stroke.

>

> I've spoken with a few people who had taken a break from chelation

> after only a small number of rounds, and they have all emphasized

> that taking an early break is not a good thing to do. Each seems to

> have experienced a regression or flare up of symptoms. In my own

> case, I'm reluctant to begin chelating again right away because I

> experienced a pain and 'sucking' sensation in my mollar teeth and jaw

> after I doubled my ALA dose from 12.5mg to 25mg. I also began

> experiencing a type of migraine that I hadn't experienced in a long

> time and TMJ type symptoms which I also haven't had to deal with in a

> number of years. Until I see a biological dentist who takes the idea

> of metal toxicity seriously and who can review my x-rays and assess

> whether or not I have any metals left under my composite fillings,

> I'm afraid to resume the ALA. However, if I didn't have concerns

> that there might be some mercury still in my teeth, I would resume

> chelating immediately. I did notice some very significant and

> encouraging improvements while taking the ALA.

>

> I suspect that the arthritic/joint pains, dizziness and weakness will

> go away again once I resume chelating. I also suspect that the same

> would be true in your case, although there is of course no way of

> knowing for sure.

>

> Why did you stop chelating after 5 rounds? How many rounds have you

> done since you started again? What dosage were you using before, and

> what dosage are you using now?

>

> (This is all a bit off topic for the group ... I hope

> that nobody minds too much. I think that we all have a common

> interest in the properties of these medications and in the effects

> that they may have on various individuals in various circumstances).

>

>

>

> > Andy,

> >

> > Hi. I had my amalgams out last year and started very conservative

> > DMSA/ALA chelation after conferring with you. So I chelated about

> 5

> > rounds and then stopped, waited a few months and now started

> again.

> > Well I went for a blood test because I have been getting dizzy

> every

> > day, several random times a day and slight headaches. Results of

> WBC

> > were high at 11.5 on scale of 4.0-10.5. Mono% was low at 3 on

> scale

> > of 4-13, and NEUT, ABS was high at 8.2 with scale of 1.8-7.8.

> Worse

> > still, my ANA AB was borderline, my ANA Pattern wa homogeneous was

> N,

> > and my ANA TITER was 1:80~the doctor says this is borderline

> LUPUS.

> > So, my questions:

> >

> > 1. Do you think this test could be " off " due to the mercury

> fillings

> > coming out?

> > 2. Should I continue to chelate?

> > 3. If yes to chelation, DMSA/ALA, or DMSA only or ALA only?

> >

> > On page 109 of your book, first paragraph, you say that a few

> > physicians believe DMSA and perhaps DMPS may exacerbate autoimmune

> > disease.

> > 4. Should I continue to do rounds and then take another test?

> > 5. If the mercury is causing the test results, it make sense to me

> > to take the mercury out via chelation. Do you agree.

> > 6. When the mercury is out, would the " Lupus " result go away?

> > 7. Should I chelate with " just " vitamins, like C, etc.

> >

> > I'm so confused. Please advise. You have steered me right for the

> > last 2 years and I appreciate you. My son also appreciates

> > you.

> >

> > DebbieG. (Remember me, the person bugging you at every conference

> I

> > run into you at.):-)

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

You know I was taking ALA every night, 100 mg and then stopped when I

ran out of it. Taking lots of Vit. C does help. I also started

Gliko Biloka to allow more blood flow to the brain, and I wasn't

dizzy for a few days. But, I forget to take it until I get dizzy.

Did you have your fillings out like I did? I ran into my dentist and

mentioned all of this to her since writing this post, and she had

never heard of anyone getting these dizzy spells, but believes that

they are real. I sent Andy another post since he didn't answer my

other one, and I included your post and another as well for him to

read. I also wondered if I might have suffered a minor stroke. I do

believe the symptoms will go away, but it is probably damaging us as

I type this. But, I made the decision, good or bad to remove my

fillings. I redo my blood test in 6 months or so, just to compare.

Please let me know what your special dentist has to say. My private

email is bluerus@...

DebbieG.

> > Andy,

> >

> > Hi. I had my amalgams out last year and started very

conservative

> > DMSA/ALA chelation after conferring with you. So I chelated

about

> 5

> > rounds and then stopped, waited a few months and now started

> again.

> > Well I went for a blood test because I have been getting dizzy

> every

> > day, several random times a day and slight headaches. Results of

> WBC

> > were high at 11.5 on scale of 4.0-10.5. Mono% was low at 3 on

> scale

> > of 4-13, and NEUT, ABS was high at 8.2 with scale of 1.8-7.8.

> Worse

> > still, my ANA AB was borderline, my ANA Pattern wa homogeneous

was

> N,

> > and my ANA TITER was 1:80~the doctor says this is borderline

> LUPUS.

> > So, my questions:

> >

> > 1. Do you think this test could be " off " due to the mercury

> fillings

> > coming out?

> > 2. Should I continue to chelate?

> > 3. If yes to chelation, DMSA/ALA, or DMSA only or ALA only?

> >

> > On page 109 of your book, first paragraph, you say that a few

> > physicians believe DMSA and perhaps DMPS may exacerbate

autoimmune

> > disease.

> > 4. Should I continue to do rounds and then take another test?

> > 5. If the mercury is causing the test results, it make sense to

me

> > to take the mercury out via chelation. Do you agree.

> > 6. When the mercury is out, would the " Lupus " result go away?

> > 7. Should I chelate with " just " vitamins, like C, etc.

> >

> > I'm so confused. Please advise. You have steered me right for

the

> > last 2 years and I appreciate you. My son also

appreciates

> > you.

> >

> > DebbieG. (Remember me, the person bugging you at every

conference

> I

> > run into you at.):-)

[Guest guest]

> You know I was taking ALA every night, 100 mg and then stopped when

I

> ran out of it.

That is a lot of ALA to start out with. Do I understand correctly

that you were only taking one nightly dose? If this is the case, I'd

suspect that your protocol was doing you as much harm as good.

> Did you have your fillings out like I did? I ran into my dentist

I believe my trouble started when my dentist at the time took the

liberty of replacing my silver amalgams with composites without any

precautions.

> never heard of anyone getting these dizzy spells, but believes that

Dizzy spells were my earliest symptom. They aren't uncommon.

> believe the symptoms will go away, but it is probably damaging us

as

> I type this. But, I made the decision, good or bad to remove my

Yes, I suspect the symptoms will go away with proper chelation.

(ie. the standard 3 hour dosage schedule with smaller amount of ALA

per dose)

There are also a couple of groups for us adults with mercury toxicity:

adult-metal-chelation

frequent-dose-chelation

There are plenty of experienced and knowledgeable people on those

groups who can help with these things.

> Please let me know what your special dentist has to say. My private

> email is bluerus@h...

> DebbieG.

Will do. Hope you're feeling better soon.