help

February 8, 2003

Thanks, I needed my butt kicked! No it couldn't possibly be that time of the

month, I had surgical menopause 13 years ago at the age of 35. However, my

pcp did insist I go off my premarin shortly after surgery because of the

latest bad press, I TOLD him they would change their mind the next week

about it! so I suppose I could have finally depleted the store of estrogen I

had between the weight loss and being off the med. So far today I am being

very good! We'll see if it continues after I go to work tonight, altho last

night I was VERY good! All I had at work was a protein shake and 60z of

Dannon fit'n'lite creamy yogurt. Sorry about not signing the post!

Phyllis,

Re: help

> Well IrishEyes, (didn't sign your email so not sure what else to call you)

your last couple of sentences are a clue. Could you be close to that time

of the month? Is that possible?

>

> Now....... on the butt kicking.......

> NO SUGAR

> NO CARBS

> UP YOUR WATER

> LIMIT COFFEE unless you want kidney stones.

> EXERCISE even if it is walking farther to your car...... you know.

>

> 3 days........ follow these rules..... no breaking them. Get you

started back on track. After that..... limit your sugar to single digits,

and your carbs to under 30 PER DAY.

>

> If you are having trouble with water...... try adding flavors to it......

or flavored water. But get in at least 64 ounces a day.

>

> I find once I got use to water, and I do 100 ounces a day, If I don't get

it, I feel awful.

>

> Okay, enough on the lecture....... but you did ask for it.

> Hugs,

>

> **waaaaaaaa I was mean and cranky and weepy all day yesterday and the day

before. I don't LIKE ME! any help would be appreciated, including kicking my

butt!**

>

February 8, 2003

That and the study showed the COMBO estrogen was the problem, not the estrogen

only. My PCP wants to up mine!

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

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Re: help

> Well IrishEyes, (didn't sign your email so not sure what else to call you)

your last couple of sentences are a clue. Could you be close to that time

of the month? Is that possible?

>

> Now....... on the butt kicking.......

> NO SUGAR

> NO CARBS

> UP YOUR WATER

> LIMIT COFFEE unless you want kidney stones.

> EXERCISE even if it is walking farther to your car...... you know.

>

> 3 days........ follow these rules..... no breaking them. Get you

started back on track. After that..... limit your sugar to single digits,

and your carbs to under 30 PER DAY.

>

> If you are having trouble with water...... try adding flavors to it......

or flavored water. But get in at least 64 ounces a day.

>

> I find once I got use to water, and I do 100 ounces a day, If I don't get

it, I feel awful.

>

> Okay, enough on the lecture....... but you did ask for it.

> Hugs,

>

> **waaaaaaaa I was mean and cranky and weepy all day yesterday and the day

before. I don't LIKE ME! any help would be appreciated, including kicking my

butt!**

>

February 8, 2003

For about a week they actually were saying that the estrogen alone was bad

too. but they change their mind every other week, I may have to have a heart

to heart with him if I continue to be such a b**ch!

-- Re: help

That and the study showed the COMBO estrogen was the problem, not the

estrogen only. My PCP wants to up mine!

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com

Re: help

> Well IrishEyes, (didn't sign your email so not sure what else to call

you)

your last couple of sentences are a clue. Could you be close to that

time

of the month? Is that possible?

>

> Now....... on the butt kicking.......

> NO SUGAR

> NO CARBS

> UP YOUR WATER

> LIMIT COFFEE unless you want kidney stones.

> EXERCISE even if it is walking farther to your car...... you know.

>

> 3 days........ follow these rules..... no breaking them. Get you

started back on track. After that..... limit your sugar to single

digits,

and your carbs to under 30 PER DAY.

>

> If you are having trouble with water...... try adding flavors to it....

..

or flavored water. But get in at least 64 ounces a day.

>

> I find once I got use to water, and I do 100 ounces a day, If I don't

get

it, I feel awful.

>

> Okay, enough on the lecture....... but you did ask for it.

> Hugs,

>

> **waaaaaaaa I was mean and cranky and weepy all day yesterday and the

day

before. I don't LIKE ME! any help would be appreciated, including kicking

my

butt!**

>

February 8, 2003

For about a week they actually were saying that the estrogen alone was bad

too. but they change their mind every other week, I may have to have a heart

to heart with him if I continue to be such a b**ch!

-- Re: help

That and the study showed the COMBO estrogen was the problem, not the

estrogen only. My PCP wants to up mine!

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com

Re: help

> Well IrishEyes, (didn't sign your email so not sure what else to call

you)

your last couple of sentences are a clue. Could you be close to that

time

of the month? Is that possible?

>

> Now....... on the butt kicking.......

> NO SUGAR

> NO CARBS

> UP YOUR WATER

> LIMIT COFFEE unless you want kidney stones.

> EXERCISE even if it is walking farther to your car...... you know.

>

> 3 days........ follow these rules..... no breaking them. Get you

started back on track. After that..... limit your sugar to single

digits,

and your carbs to under 30 PER DAY.

>

> If you are having trouble with water...... try adding flavors to it....

..

or flavored water. But get in at least 64 ounces a day.

>

> I find once I got use to water, and I do 100 ounces a day, If I don't

get

it, I feel awful.

>

> Okay, enough on the lecture....... but you did ask for it.

> Hugs,

>

> **waaaaaaaa I was mean and cranky and weepy all day yesterday and the

day

before. I don't LIKE ME! any help would be appreciated, including kicking

my

butt!**

>

February 8, 2003

I take 1.25 per day.......... good dosage for me. Otherwise no one is safe

around me........ hehehehe

Hugs,

Re: help

> Well IrishEyes, (didn't sign your email so not sure what else to call you)

your last couple of sentences are a clue. Could you be close to that time

of the month? Is that possible?

>

> Now....... on the butt kicking.......

> NO SUGAR

> NO CARBS

> UP YOUR WATER

> LIMIT COFFEE unless you want kidney stones.

> EXERCISE even if it is walking farther to your car...... you know.

>

> 3 days........ follow these rules..... no breaking them. Get you

started back on track. After that..... limit your sugar to single digits,

and your carbs to under 30 PER DAY.

>

> If you are having trouble with water...... try adding flavors to it......

or flavored water. But get in at least 64 ounces a day.

>

> I find once I got use to water, and I do 100 ounces a day, If I don't get

it, I feel awful.

>

> Okay, enough on the lecture....... but you did ask for it.

> Hugs,

>

> **waaaaaaaa I was mean and cranky and weepy all day yesterday and the day

before. I don't LIKE ME! any help would be appreciated, including kicking my

butt!**

>

February 8, 2003

Well Phyllis,

I am no doc, don't play one on TV or the net either...... LOL

BUT........ I can tell ya..... sounds to me like hormone depletion is an issue.

My doc doubled my dosage after surgery....... now take 1.25 of premarin. If I

don't........ I am unfit for human consumption so to speak. I would suggest a

hormone profile. Call your PCP, demand to get back on it, or go live with

him....... that worked for me. My old pcp was an idiot, and he said I didn't

need it....... this was before the hysterectomy. Said I was too

young........ started memopause at 31. And I KNOW when I started it........

LOL. So told the little idiot I was moving in with him and he could deal with

me. Made him think....... and gave me premarin. Whew, cause would hate to

have to live with that man. LOL

As for the butt kicking.......... grinning......... glad to do it. LOL. We

all need that at times. I know I do. Your time to get even will come....... I

promise

I am proximal and I know it is recommended to take in 60-90 grams of protein,

but I feel better at 120 grams. So that is what I strive for, and occasional

get 150 in. The moral here is listen to your body.

Hugs,

Jules

Romero

noliptoday@...

Louisiana

381/252/160

down 129 lbs

Lap RNY 5-29-2002

FRIENDS are the siblings God forgot to give us

Re: help

> Well IrishEyes, (didn't sign your email so not sure what else to call you)

your last couple of sentences are a clue. Could you be close to that time

of the month? Is that possible?

>

> Now....... on the butt kicking.......

> NO SUGAR

> NO CARBS

> UP YOUR WATER

> LIMIT COFFEE unless you want kidney stones.

> EXERCISE even if it is walking farther to your car...... you know.

>

> 3 days........ follow these rules..... no breaking them. Get you

started back on track. After that..... limit your sugar to single digits,

and your carbs to under 30 PER DAY.

>

> If you are having trouble with water...... try adding flavors to it......

or flavored water. But get in at least 64 ounces a day.

>

> I find once I got use to water, and I do 100 ounces a day, If I don't get

it, I feel awful.

>

> Okay, enough on the lecture....... but you did ask for it.

> Hugs,

>

> **waaaaaaaa I was mean and cranky and weepy all day yesterday and the day

before. I don't LIKE ME! any help would be appreciated, including kicking my

butt!**

>

February 8, 2003

well I am thinking maybe I should make an appointment with the GYN, haven't seen

him in years. Me thinks he is probably more up on the subject then my pc plus

they have been hounding me to get a pap done. ughhhhhhhhhhh thought I was done

with that! LOL

Re: help

> Well IrishEyes, (didn't sign your email so not sure what else to call you)

your last couple of sentences are a clue. Could you be close to that time

of the month? Is that possible?

>

> Now....... on the butt kicking.......

> NO SUGAR

> NO CARBS

> UP YOUR WATER

> LIMIT COFFEE unless you want kidney stones.

> EXERCISE even if it is walking farther to your car...... you know.

>

> 3 days........ follow these rules..... no breaking them. Get you

started back on track. After that..... limit your sugar to single digits,

and your carbs to under 30 PER DAY.

>

> If you are having trouble with water...... try adding flavors to it......

or flavored water. But get in at least 64 ounces a day.

>

> I find once I got use to water, and I do 100 ounces a day, If I don't get

it, I feel awful.

>

> Okay, enough on the lecture....... but you did ask for it.

> Hugs,

>

> **waaaaaaaa I was mean and cranky and weepy all day yesterday and the day

before. I don't LIKE ME! any help would be appreciated, including kicking my

butt!**

>

February 8, 2003

HI-

I also am having a hard time staying on ANY kind of " program " . I

can never seem to get enough protein,water, or exercise.

THIS WINTER SUCKS!! I recently had a " freak " accident, that landed me in

a cast for over six weeks. Totally bummed me out

I recently started walking again. I was up to 4 miles a day, so its BACK

to square 1.over the last few days I've walked for " 1 " mile.

slow but i did it. I also had to quit smoking YET AGAIN!!!!!!! today was

day 4 nonsmoking and i just lost it for no good reason a

bought a pack. The group that I attended has a 5 no-no list- no caffeine,

carbonation, sugar, chocolate, or alcohol the first year.

I just had my 6 mo. post-op, and told the Dr, I drank a cup of coffee in

the am,and diet soda now and then. He was sooooo cool about it.

basically, said yeah, so? here i was like " should i say anything???? " I

lost 30 lbs.pre-op, and about 75 after. so I guess im doing okay.

I totally believe in the " exercise " really helping to move the scale

down. I cannot tolerate bread, which is really a blessing since that

was a real hard one for me to resist. I think the mind-set that really

helped me the most was the realization that my " BODY " was

in control---not my HEAD. i could " want " whatever, but when i got sick

and i mean SICK a few times that kinda took the " want "

out of most things. I also dont " deny " myself of things i would have in

the past. stupid things like " full-fat " dressing on salads. I dont eat

the volumes or rather " cant " so that takes away the guilt,binge cycle. Im

okay with what I can eat and just have kinda accepted it.

I think its hard to be 100% great, when you have had bad eating habits

for so long, I think like anything, time will help us .this is a

great forum to get out ideas and thoughts. THINK

SPRING!!!!!!!!!!

kim : )

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February 8, 2003

My surgeon made me go off my Premarin. I think because it is time released. I

had a hysterectomy 7yrs ago. So far I have not flashed. Hope it stays that

way. Almost 3weeks post op

Arlene

Re: help

> Well IrishEyes, (didn't sign your email so not sure what else to call you)

your last couple of sentences are a clue. Could you be close to that time

of the month? Is that possible?

>

> Now....... on the butt kicking.......

> NO SUGAR

> NO CARBS

> UP YOUR WATER

> LIMIT COFFEE unless you want kidney stones.

> EXERCISE even if it is walking farther to your car...... you know.

>

> 3 days........ follow these rules..... no breaking them. Get you

started back on track. After that..... limit your sugar to single digits,

and your carbs to under 30 PER DAY.

>

> If you are having trouble with water...... try adding flavors to it......

or flavored water. But get in at least 64 ounces a day.

>

> I find once I got use to water, and I do 100 ounces a day, If I don't get

it, I feel awful.

>

> Okay, enough on the lecture....... but you did ask for it.

> Hugs,

>

> **waaaaaaaa I was mean and cranky and weepy all day yesterday and the day

before. I don't LIKE ME! any help would be appreciated, including kicking my

butt!**

>

February 8, 2003

In the study that caused so much panic about estrogen......try to remember a few

points.

Health care providers still recommend it for symptom control at menopause.

Generally short duration...0-5 yrs or so.

The breast cancer data was not new...suggested that after 5-7 yrs on the

medication, at the rate of 8 in 1000 persons...who were not previously at risk

the risk of invasive breast CA was seen to rise. This is significant, but we

have known about some of this risk before.

If its the only thing used to prevent heart disease and stroke there are better

options...but the study size was small in these cases, 38 in one group with

events, and 30 in the other group without. It says we need more information.

In the short term, if you need estrogen, and are at higher risk for heart or

stroke problems, an aspirin or other blood thinner should be discussed with your

Dr as this might well decrease your risk.

February 9, 2003

i can sympathize!1 I tried for 3 months to quit smoking before surgery and was

unsuccessful, mostly cause I had to go to work! I had my last cigarette on 10/7

the night before surgery and I was just flat out too scared to have one since. I

just knew I would be the one with the ulcer since I have had them before, and I

am scared to death of stomach cancer (my big brother died of stomach cancer in

'88) What really helped tho was that I was home for 4 weeks! I did NOT have to

deal with work, so it was much easier. I hadn't smoked at home since May when I

got new carpet and furniture and because my DH had quit smoking due to

Emphysema. Wish I couldd help with the nicotine monster!

Phyllis

Re: help

HI-

I also am having a hard time staying on ANY kind of " program " . I

can never seem to get enough protein,water, or exercise.

THIS WINTER SUCKS!! I recently had a " freak " accident, that landed me in

a cast for over six weeks. Totally bummed me out

I recently started walking again. I was up to 4 miles a day, so its BACK

to square 1.over the last few days I've walked for " 1 " mile.

slow but i did it. I also had to quit smoking YET AGAIN!!!!!!! today was

day 4 nonsmoking and i just lost it for no good reason a

bought a pack. The group that I attended has a 5 no-no list- no caffeine,

carbonation, sugar, chocolate, or alcohol the first year.

I just had my 6 mo. post-op, and told the Dr, I drank a cup of coffee in

the am,and diet soda now and then. He was sooooo cool about it.

basically, said yeah, so? here i was like " should i say anything???? " I

lost 30 lbs.pre-op, and about 75 after. so I guess im doing okay.

I totally believe in the " exercise " really helping to move the scale

down. I cannot tolerate bread, which is really a blessing since that

was a real hard one for me to resist. I think the mind-set that really

helped me the most was the realization that my " BODY " was

in control---not my HEAD. i could " want " whatever, but when i got sick

and i mean SICK a few times that kinda took the " want "

out of most things. I also dont " deny " myself of things i would have in

the past. stupid things like " full-fat " dressing on salads. I dont eat

the volumes or rather " cant " so that takes away the guilt,binge cycle. Im

okay with what I can eat and just have kinda accepted it.

I think its hard to be 100% great, when you have had bad eating habits

for so long, I think like anything, time will help us .this is a

great forum to get out ideas and thoughts. THINK

SPRING!!!!!!!!!!

kim : )

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February 9, 2003

yes mam! LOL I will try to get in to my GYN

Re: help

Irisheyes - go get that Pap smear! I work in a cytology lab where they read

pap smear results and I can't tell you how important it is to get a yearly

pap whether you have a uterus or not. The latest and best pap is the

ThinPrep pap - demand it! It is so much better than the old conventional

style pap smears. Now I will get down off my soap box - LOL - and tell you

that I am new to the group and I want to know everything about WLS - both

good and bad. Email me anytime you want, if you want. I am hoping to have

surgery in late April or the first week of May.

Let me know how you're doing, and yes, get those hormone levels checked, and

please have that pap done.

Dorita

February 9, 2003

I never thought about whether or not I would malabsorb it............ hmmmmmmmmm

interesting!

Re: help

> Well IrishEyes, (didn't sign your email so not sure what else to call

you)

your last couple of sentences are a clue. Could you be close to that

time

of the month? Is that possible?

>

> Now....... on the butt kicking.......

> NO SUGAR

> NO CARBS

> UP YOUR WATER

> LIMIT COFFEE unless you want kidney stones.

> EXERCISE even if it is walking farther to your car...... you know.

>

> 3 days........ follow these rules..... no breaking them. Get you

started back on track. After that..... limit your sugar to single

digits,

and your carbs to under 30 PER DAY.

>

> If you are having trouble with water...... try adding flavors to

it......

or flavored water. But get in at least 64 ounces a day.

>

> I find once I got use to water, and I do 100 ounces a day, If I don't

get

it, I feel awful.

>

> Okay, enough on the lecture....... but you did ask for it.

> Hugs,

>

> **waaaaaaaa I was mean and cranky and weepy all day yesterday and the

day

before. I don't LIKE ME! any help would be appreciated, including kicking

my

butt!**

>

February 10, 2003

Sherry - You are doing fine. Stop comparing yourself to others. Stop weighing

so often. Only weigh once or twice a month. Keep working out, that will help.

Have you measured yourself lately? Taken pictures to compare with your before

pictures? I bet you'd really notice a difference there. Your doctor is right.

It will happen. I would try increasing your protein drinks to 2 a day, maybe

even 3 and see if that doesn't help. You're not absorbing much from your food

at all. Don't give into that depression and convince yourself to just give up.

That won't do you any good at all. C'mon Sherry - keep your chin up! You're

gonna do fine. Believe it.

Jeanne in WI

Age 39

Open RNY - 5/21/02

Dr. Chua

5'8 " - 314/221/150-175

February 10, 2003