Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 " " lessening of MMR regression effects in older kids. " " My son just had a new evaluation done on him this month...He has regressed... His communication skills wa between 8-10 months..Now it is 6 months....Why is this happening? > The best time is never... You cannot predict the response of your 6 > month old and your chances of having an adverse reaction to MMR if they > have an autistic sibling is much, much higher. It is impossible at this > point also to know if there is a lessening of MMR regression effects in > older kids. Best not to do it - PERIOD! > > > [ ] MMR Vaccine > > > My 3 1/2 year old is autistic. Thinking about ordering my 6 month > old's mmr vaccine in seperate doses when we he is old enough. Does > anyone know what the recommended time between each. Should we wait > a few weeks between measles dose, mumps dose, ruboela dose, etc. > Thanks. > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Diane - That's the $64,000 question. There are lots of potential reasons depending on the milieu of environmental insults. How old is your son and what do you think he was exposed to early in live (e.g., mercury, other toxic metals, vaccine antigens, etc...)? [ ] MMR Vaccine > > > My 3 1/2 year old is autistic. Thinking about ordering my 6 month > old's mmr vaccine in seperate doses when we he is old enough. Does > anyone know what the recommended time between each. Should we wait > a few weeks between measles dose, mumps dose, ruboela dose, etc. > Thanks. > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Well...his 6 month old baby hair was 13.78 and he had the flu vaccine this last year and had hands tremors afterwards, he is still having the hand tremors...His neurologist wrote down in his medical records that my son is allergic to mercury... Donna > > The best time is never... You cannot predict the response of your > 6 > > month old and your chances of having an adverse reaction to MMR if > they > > have an autistic sibling is much, much higher. It is impossible > at this > > point also to know if there is a lessening of MMR regression > effects in > > older kids. Best not to do it - PERIOD! > > > > > > [ ] MMR Vaccine > > > > > > My 3 1/2 year old is autistic. Thinking about ordering my 6 month > > old's mmr vaccine in seperate doses when we he is old enough. > Does > > anyone know what the recommended time between each. Should we > wait > > a few weeks between measles dose, mumps dose, ruboela dose, etc. > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 OK - Here are a couple of reasons... 1. Free mercury is not being correctly detoxed and is still causing damage (yes, this can happen) 2. As a corollary, metallothionein and other proteins are no longer produced due to a collapse in production that can accompany mercury toxicity... This in part is rectified by Zinc supplementation and the whole Pfeiffer protocol 3. Finally, as a second corollary, methionine synthase is severely inhibited by Hg which unfortunate as it is compulsory in Hg-detox (through production of methionine, cysteine and a cascade of proteins and peptides responsible for removal of toxic heavy metals from the body). The analysis above is trivial to the biochemistry involved. Unfortunately, the " state of the science " is nowhere near the point where a regression can be circumvented by " tweaking " one nutritional supplement, etc. Bottom line - Get a good DAN! Doctor as well as full run up of metals, etc. and try to go to a DAN! Conference (http://www.danconference.com/home.html) if possible. This will give you much more of a perspective on where to start. Also, order Andy Cutler's book (information from this group) as well as the DAN! Protocol (http://www.autism.com/ari/) and Shaw's book (http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/bookstore/autism.asp#biologicalTre tments). The www.autism.com/ari also has a list of DAN! Doctors, some good some bad. It is best to use this group to get comments on DAN! Doctors that might be in your area to get good input. God Bless! [ ] MMR Vaccine > > > > > > My 3 1/2 year old is autistic. Thinking about ordering my 6 month > > old's mmr vaccine in seperate doses when we he is old enough. > Does > > anyone know what the recommended time between each. Should we > wait > > a few weeks between measles dose, mumps dose, ruboela dose, etc. > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Thank you , I will have to meditate on what you just sent..My husband is an engineer, But he wont look at anything Im researching. And Im half polish, so it takes me a little longer to absorb some of this high tech material. Does anyone know of a DAN doctor in North Carolina?? Donna > > > The best time is never... You cannot predict the response of > your > > 6 > > > month old and your chances of having an adverse reaction to MMR > if > > they > > > have an autistic sibling is much, much higher. It is impossible > > at this > > > point also to know if there is a lessening of MMR regression > > effects in > > > older kids. Best not to do it - PERIOD! > > > > > > > > > [ ] MMR Vaccine > > > > > > > > > My 3 1/2 year old is autistic. Thinking about ordering my 6 > month > > > old's mmr vaccine in seperate doses when we he is old enough. > > Does > > > anyone know what the recommended time between each. Should we > > wait > > > a few weeks between measles dose, mumps dose, ruboela dose, etc. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Donna I'm an engineer as well. There is some biochemical pathway information that is presented in flow-diagram format in the DAN! Book. You might just ask him to interpret it for you... Just a thot! [ ] MMR Vaccine > > > > > > > > > My 3 1/2 year old is autistic. Thinking about ordering my 6 > month > > > old's mmr vaccine in seperate doses when we he is old enough. > > Does > > > anyone know what the recommended time between each. Should we > > wait > > > a few weeks between measles dose, mumps dose, ruboela dose, etc. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 What is the " DAN " book..And where can I get this book? Yes, he will interpert things that are just way over my head! My sons neurologist wrote in his medical records that my son is allergic to mercury, But isnt EVERYONE allergic to mercury? > > > > The best time is never... You cannot predict the response of > > your > > > 6 > > > > month old and your chances of having an adverse reaction to MMR > > if > > > they > > > > have an autistic sibling is much, much higher. It is > impossible > > > at this > > > > point also to know if there is a lessening of MMR regression > > > effects in > > > > older kids. Best not to do it - PERIOD! > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] MMR Vaccine > > > > > > > > > > > > My 3 1/2 year old is autistic. Thinking about ordering my 6 > > month > > > > old's mmr vaccine in seperate doses when we he is old enough. > > > Does > > > > anyone know what the recommended time between each. Should we > > > wait > > > > a few weeks between measles dose, mumps dose, ruboela dose, > etc. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Look on the www.autism.com/ari site for the book. Everyone suffers a toxic response against Hg. Perhaps he is emphasizing that your son is much more susceptible to a toxic response to low levels of Hg that other folks would tolerate. [ ] MMR Vaccine > > > > > > > > > > > > My 3 1/2 year old is autistic. Thinking about ordering my 6 > > month > > > > old's mmr vaccine in seperate doses when we he is old enough. > > > Does > > > > anyone know what the recommended time between each. Should we > > > wait > > > > a few weeks between measles dose, mumps dose, ruboela dose, > etc. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 There is a simple test you can give your child to see if they can safely receive any vaccine whether it has mercury in it or not..... Hold a mirror in front of their mouth and if there is condensation, they are still alive, and cannot safely receive any vaccine. (author unknown) Just one perspective, but mercury is not the only issue here folks. Other than parents of children who have died following vaccines (my own sister is one of those), we are the most damaged by the lies and falsehoods as to the value, efficacy and safety of vaccines, and the toxic adjutvants they contain. You have to have asked yourself if a lie as big as mercury in vaccines has been allowed to go on for so long, do you really think that is the only issue with vaccines, or is the whole concept a scam and a hoax. I ask anyone still considering any vaccines for any child autistic or not, to do more reading. Once you uncover the truth, you would never consider it again. On every list I belong to it is sincerely expressed that the opinions and decisions of ALL parents must be respected and that parents of one line of thought not insult or berate others. I respect this and learn new things every day, and change my mind when convinced otherwise. But I cannot handle parents running around looking for safer ways to continue poisoning their children. ALL vaccines are dangerous and useless. If you are on this list in-particular you cannot read all these moving and sometimes gut-wrenching posts and not realize what damage is being done, in the name of the " good of society " . If the good of society is having a huge portion of the population unable to function they are succeeding and we will then have to ask why they want it that way. A father recently posted that he cannot believe there is a conspiracy, it must have been his sons genetics. I don't believe it is a conspiracy, that would mean they sat down and planned it, everyone involved knows exactly what they are doing and there is an overall evil plan to bury and deny the truth. No, but all those things are happening because it is a cult, a way of life, and institution that has entrenched itself into the life of almost every American and has way more control then even you and I know. It is not a conspiracy it is simple greed, and business as usual. It is a pervasive belief within the system that they can get away with anything in the name of public health and they do because we encourage them to continue on and continue to let them get away with it. I have heard about kids that were nearly recovered and totally regressed after booster shots. Even if they no longer have mercury there are other BIG Problems with vaccines for any child but especially for Autistic kids that are now immune- compromised, metal toxic, chronically ill, etc. we all know the story. If parents are new to the list, read all you can at www.909shot.com or www.whale.to or www.vaclib.org and learn all you can about vaccines, the system, the shoddy or non-existent testing on the short or long-term safety of vaccines and drugs in general. The fact that any parent would even ask this question after discovering their Autistic child is proof of the hold that allopathic medicine has on most people. I for one have never turned to the same people that damaged my child to ask for help. Yes, it is all your choice, but make a decision from information and study, not their own mis-information. How many parents have we all heard say, " oh, I will have to ask my pediatrician about all this " . Well there went any chance of that parent getting anything close to the truth. Sorry, if I have insulted anyone, but I am passionate about this, my family in-particular has learned our lesson the hardest way possible, we have ADHD, Diabetes, Arthritis, Autism(my daughter), and an immediate death following vaccines. I sure wish we would have woke up sooner, I might still have a beautiful little niece the same age as my daughter who could be a playmate and my daughter might actually be capable of playing with her. I don't even say " educate before you vaccinate " because that assumes you still might. I say educate and you will never vaccinate. Kendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 " opinions and decisions of ALL parents must be respected > and that parents of one line of thought not insult or > berate others. " " The fact that any parent would even ask this question after discovering their Autistic child is proof of the hold that allopathic medicine has on most people. I for one have never turned to the same people that damaged my child to ask for help. " When people say remarks like this, It will turn a lot of parents away, I am guilty of putting my foot in my mouth plenty of times, I found out about my sons mercury poisoning by a fluke. A lady I had met has severe poisoning from paint, After meeting her last year, I started thinking again " WHY " about my son....The only thing I could think of was the rhogam injection so for the heck of it, I typed in rhogam and seizures on my computer...And thats how I found out, And even after reading and researching, (I had been talking to an attorney and he said I didnt need my sons hair tested for mercury, having the injection and my sons condition was all the proof I needed.) I needed proof. And I got it...and then I called my attorney and said lets do it! Im still numb about all of this, My son is 17 years old..My son had all these test to rule out so many diffrent syndromes, and was diagnosed with microcephaly, cp, lennox gastaut syndrome, profoundly retarded, he has serious swallowing issues and is on a pureed diet, Ive been fighting the g-tube for years and is non verbal (he said mama once when he was 12 years old) Of unknown cause. I came to this list for help in understanding more about mercury and how it affects babies. So that I can be more educated in helping someone elses child. My son is a miracle that he has survived this long, and Im trying my best to just keep him alive. I dont want someone elses child to suffer. I have come across a few mothers on diffrent list, after posting about my son and the mercury, Some are starting to look at vaccines, the flu vaccine, the rhogam injection in a new way. And thats what I want, The FDA and the CDC are not going to protect our babies, So I will try and educate as many people as I can about mercury. Because its personal to me. Children who are severely brain damaged, are taking the flu vaccine every year! How many of these kids are Mercury toxic and dont even know it! I would never have known, if I didnt find out on my own, I wished to God someone would have spent time with me to explain things, Parents who have severely disabled children are very cautious to new findings. It takes time to gain thier trust with a child they love more than anything in this world. If you come on to strong, they will run the opposite way. I havent lost all my faith is drs. My son has had the best. And if his current dr doesnt do what my son needs...I write letters to my sons old dr in New York. And I get what I need for my son. I have NO FAITH in the people who destroyed my sons life " THE Pharmecutical companys! " I pray to God I never see the person who allowed my son to be poisoned. And I also pray that I will be able to forgive, But I dont see this happening anytime soon! My son started having seizures when he was 21 months old..He goes into status, Once he was in a seizure for three straight days, he was hooked up to a 24 hour eeg, it showed he was having a 10 second break every 15-20 minutes. My son was placed on an expiremental medication (not an orphan drug) for his seizures..I was greatful for this drug! And am greatful to the dr who pushed to have him on it. I was told at the time he was placed on it, that it probally will not be approved, This is when I found out HOW pharmecutical companys in America work! The drug has saved my sons life and a few others. But because there is not a " market " for this drug, they cancelled the study. But it is approved in lots of other countrys. I have to get his medicine from another country, I am not alone. I know one mother who flies her severely handicapped child to Spain every 6 months for treatments and medicine, " FREE TREATMENTS!! " Pharmecutical companys in Amercia are ruthless money hungry murders! Now they are trying to STOP seniors from getting thier medicine from Canada, Its American made drugs that are sold to Canada and Americans can buy it cheaper from Canada...Every country has a CAP on what pharmecutical company can charge, Except for good old America! If the pharmecutical companys have thier way " again " Not only will seniors hurt, But also hundreds of others who " have " to get thier medicine from another country! Senator was the only one willing to help me get my sons Medicine..He has a special liking for pharmecutical companys! Donna I actually hated the pharmecutical company before I found out about the mercury in my rhogam and my sons vaccines, I have just started learning about mercury poisoning last year, I know some of you have been studying mercury poisoning for years, please forgive me for asking questions. Donna My son was placed on an expiremental medication (not an orphan drug) for his seizures..I was greatful for this drug! > There is a simple test you can give your child to see if they > can safely receive any vaccine whether it has mercury > in it or not..... > > Hold a mirror in front of their mouth and if there > is condensation, they are still alive, and cannot > safely receive any vaccine. (author unknown) > > Just one perspective, but mercury is not the only > issue here folks. Other than parents of children > who have died following vaccines (my own sister is > one of those), we are the most damaged by the lies > and falsehoods as to the value, efficacy and safety of > vaccines, and the toxic adjutvants they contain. > You have to have asked yourself if a lie as big as > mercury in vaccines has been allowed to go on for so > long, do you really think that is the only issue with > vaccines, or is the whole concept a scam and a hoax. > I ask anyone still considering any vaccines for any child > autistic or not, to do more reading. Once you uncover > the truth, you would never consider it again. > > On every list I belong to it is sincerely expressed that > the opinions and decisions of ALL parents must be respected > and that parents of one line of thought not insult or > berate others. I respect this and learn new things every > day, and change my mind when convinced otherwise. But I > cannot handle parents running around looking for safer ways > to continue poisoning their children. ALL vaccines are > dangerous and useless. If you are on this list in-particular > you cannot read all these moving and sometimes gut-wrenching > posts and not realize what damage is being done, in the > name of the " good of society " . If the good of society is > having a huge portion of the population unable to function > they are succeeding and we will then have to ask why they > want it that way. A father recently posted that he cannot > believe there is a conspiracy, it must have been his sons > genetics. I don't believe it is a conspiracy, that would mean > they sat down and planned it, everyone involved knows exactly > what they are doing and there is an overall evil plan to bury > and deny the truth. No, but all those things are happening > because it is a cult, a way of life, and institution that has > entrenched itself into the life of almost every American and > has way more control then even you and I know. It is not > a conspiracy it is simple greed, and business as usual. It > is a pervasive belief within the system that they can get > away with anything in the name of public health and they do > because we encourage them to continue on and continue to let > them get away with it. > I have heard about kids that were nearly recovered and totally > regressed after booster shots. Even if they no longer have > mercury there are other BIG Problems with vaccines for any > child but especially for Autistic kids that are now immune- > compromised, metal toxic, chronically ill, etc. we all know the > story. If parents are new to the list, read all you can at > www.909shot.com or www.whale.to or www.vaclib.org and learn all you > can about > vaccines, the system, the shoddy or non-existent testing on > the short or long-term safety of vaccines and drugs in general. > The fact that any parent would even ask this question after > discovering their Autistic child is proof of the hold that > allopathic medicine has on most people. I for one have never > turned to the same people that damaged my child to ask for help. > Yes, it is all your choice, but make a decision from information > and study, not their own mis-information. How many parents > have we all heard say, " oh, I will have to ask my pediatrician > about all this " . Well there went any chance of that parent > getting anything close to the truth. > Sorry, if I have insulted anyone, but I am passionate about > this, my family in-particular has learned our lesson the > hardest way possible, we have ADHD, Diabetes, Arthritis, Autism(my > daughter), and an immediate death following vaccines. I sure wish we > would have woke up sooner, I might still have a beautiful little > niece the same age as my daughter who could be a playmate and my > daughter might actually be capable of playing with her. > I don't even say " educate before you vaccinate " because that > assumes you still might. I say educate and you will never > vaccinate. > Kendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Hmmm - who is berating who? I must've missed a post... Clue me in please? [ ] Re: MMR Vaccine *BRIAN* " opinions and decisions of ALL parents must be respected > and that parents of one line of thought not insult or > berate others. " " The fact that any parent would even ask this question after discovering their Autistic child is proof of the hold that allopathic medicine has on most people. I for one have never turned to the same people that damaged my child to ask for help. " When people say remarks like this, It will turn a lot of parents away, I am guilty of putting my foot in my mouth plenty of times, I found out about my sons mercury poisoning by a fluke. A lady I had met has severe poisoning from paint, After meeting her last year, I started thinking again " WHY " about my son....The only thing I could think of was the rhogam injection so for the heck of it, I typed in rhogam and seizures on my computer...And thats how I found out, And even after reading and researching, (I had been talking to an attorney and he said I didnt need my sons hair tested for mercury, having the injection and my sons condition was all the proof I needed.) I needed proof. And I got it...and then I called my attorney and said lets do it! Im still numb about all of this, My son is 17 years old..My son had all these test to rule out so many diffrent syndromes, and was diagnosed with microcephaly, cp, lennox gastaut syndrome, profoundly retarded, he has serious swallowing issues and is on a pureed diet, Ive been fighting the g-tube for years and is non verbal (he said mama once when he was 12 years old) Of unknown cause. I came to this list for help in understanding more about mercury and how it affects babies. So that I can be more educated in helping someone elses child. My son is a miracle that he has survived this long, and Im trying my best to just keep him alive. I dont want someone elses child to suffer. I have come across a few mothers on diffrent list, after posting about my son and the mercury, Some are starting to look at vaccines, the flu vaccine, the rhogam injection in a new way. And thats what I want, The FDA and the CDC are not going to protect our babies, So I will try and educate as many people as I can about mercury. Because its personal to me. Children who are severely brain damaged, are taking the flu vaccine every year! How many of these kids are Mercury toxic and dont even know it! I would never have known, if I didnt find out on my own, I wished to God someone would have spent time with me to explain things, Parents who have severely disabled children are very cautious to new findings. It takes time to gain thier trust with a child they love more than anything in this world. If you come on to strong, they will run the opposite way. I havent lost all my faith is drs. My son has had the best. And if his current dr doesnt do what my son needs...I write letters to my sons old dr in New York. And I get what I need for my son. I have NO FAITH in the people who destroyed my sons life " THE Pharmecutical companys! " I pray to God I never see the person who allowed my son to be poisoned. And I also pray that I will be able to forgive, But I dont see this happening anytime soon! My son started having seizures when he was 21 months old..He goes into status, Once he was in a seizure for three straight days, he was hooked up to a 24 hour eeg, it showed he was having a 10 second break every 15-20 minutes. My son was placed on an expiremental medication (not an orphan drug) for his seizures..I was greatful for this drug! And am greatful to the dr who pushed to have him on it. I was told at the time he was placed on it, that it probally will not be approved, This is when I found out HOW pharmecutical companys in America work! The drug has saved my sons life and a few others. But because there is not a " market " for this drug, they cancelled the study. But it is approved in lots of other countrys. I have to get his medicine from another country, I am not alone. I know one mother who flies her severely handicapped child to Spain every 6 months for treatments and medicine, " FREE TREATMENTS!! " Pharmecutical companys in Amercia are ruthless money hungry murders! Now they are trying to STOP seniors from getting thier medicine from Canada, Its American made drugs that are sold to Canada and Americans can buy it cheaper from Canada...Every country has a CAP on what pharmecutical company can charge, Except for good old America! If the pharmecutical companys have thier way " again " Not only will seniors hurt, But also hundreds of others who " have " to get thier medicine from another country! Senator was the only one willing to help me get my sons Medicine..He has a special liking for pharmecutical companys! Donna I actually hated the pharmecutical company before I found out about the mercury in my rhogam and my sons vaccines, I have just started learning about mercury poisoning last year, I know some of you have been studying mercury poisoning for years, please forgive me for asking questions. Donna My son was placed on an expiremental medication (not an orphan drug) for his seizures..I was greatful for this drug! > There is a simple test you can give your child to see if they can > safely receive any vaccine whether it has mercury in it or not..... > > Hold a mirror in front of their mouth and if there > is condensation, they are still alive, and cannot > safely receive any vaccine. (author unknown) > > Just one perspective, but mercury is not the only > issue here folks. Other than parents of children > who have died following vaccines (my own sister is > one of those), we are the most damaged by the lies > and falsehoods as to the value, efficacy and safety of vaccines, and > the toxic adjutvants they contain. > You have to have asked yourself if a lie as big as > mercury in vaccines has been allowed to go on for so > long, do you really think that is the only issue with > vaccines, or is the whole concept a scam and a hoax. > I ask anyone still considering any vaccines for any child > autistic or not, to do more reading. Once you uncover > the truth, you would never consider it again. > > On every list I belong to it is sincerely expressed that > the opinions and decisions of ALL parents must be respected and that > parents of one line of thought not insult or berate others. I respect > this and learn new things every > day, and change my mind when convinced otherwise. But I > cannot handle parents running around looking for safer ways to > continue poisoning their children. ALL vaccines are dangerous and > useless. If you are on this list in-particular you cannot read all > these moving and sometimes gut-wrenching posts and not realize what > damage is being done, in the name of the " good of society " . If the > good of society is having a huge portion of the population unable to > function they are succeeding and we will then have to ask why they > want it that way. A father recently posted that he cannot > believe there is a conspiracy, it must have been his sons > genetics. I don't believe it is a conspiracy, that would mean > they sat down and planned it, everyone involved knows exactly > what they are doing and there is an overall evil plan to bury > and deny the truth. No, but all those things are happening > because it is a cult, a way of life, and institution that has > entrenched itself into the life of almost every American and > has way more control then even you and I know. It is not > a conspiracy it is simple greed, and business as usual. It > is a pervasive belief within the system that they can get > away with anything in the name of public health and they do > because we encourage them to continue on and continue to let > them get away with it. > I have heard about kids that were nearly recovered and totally > regressed after booster shots. Even if they no longer have > mercury there are other BIG Problems with vaccines for any > child but especially for Autistic kids that are now immune- > compromised, metal toxic, chronically ill, etc. we all know the > story. If parents are new to the list, read all you can at > www.909shot.com or www.whale.to or www.vaclib.org and learn all you > can about > vaccines, the system, the shoddy or non-existent testing on > the short or long-term safety of vaccines and drugs in general. > The fact that any parent would even ask this question after > discovering their Autistic child is proof of the hold that > allopathic medicine has on most people. I for one have never > turned to the same people that damaged my child to ask for help. > Yes, it is all your choice, but make a decision from information > and study, not their own mis-information. How many parents > have we all heard say, " oh, I will have to ask my pediatrician > about all this " . Well there went any chance of that parent > getting anything close to the truth. > Sorry, if I have insulted anyone, but I am passionate about > this, my family in-particular has learned our lesson the > hardest way possible, we have ADHD, Diabetes, Arthritis, Autism(my > daughter), and an immediate death following vaccines. I sure wish we > would have woke up sooner, I might still have a beautiful little > niece the same age as my daughter who could be a playmate and my > daughter might actually be capable of playing with her. > I don't even say " educate before you vaccinate " because that > assumes you still might. I say educate and you will never > vaccinate. > Kendra ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 kiwidp12@m... wrote: " ALL parents must be respected and that > > parents of one line of thought not insult or berate others. " " The fact that any parent would even ask this question after > > discovering their Autistic child is proof of the hold that > > allopathic medicine has on most people. I for one have never > > turned to the same people that damaged my child to ask for help. " I just wanted to add one other thing about the pharmecutical companys, Not only is the FDA and the CDC on thier side, But so is the DEA! I am a very sensitive person, especially when it comes to my son.and I might have came to wrong conclussion. Donna > > There is a simple test you can give your child to see if they can > > safely receive any vaccine whether it has mercury in it or not..... > > > > Hold a mirror in front of their mouth and if there > > is condensation, they are still alive, and cannot > > safely receive any vaccine. (author unknown) > > > > Just one perspective, but mercury is not the only > > issue here folks. Other than parents of children > > who have died following vaccines (my own sister is > > one of those), we are the most damaged by the lies > > and falsehoods as to the value, efficacy and safety of vaccines, and > > the toxic adjutvants they contain. > > You have to have asked yourself if a lie as big as > > mercury in vaccines has been allowed to go on for so > > long, do you really think that is the only issue with > > vaccines, or is the whole concept a scam and a hoax. > > I ask anyone still considering any vaccines for any child > > autistic or not, to do more reading. Once you uncover > > the truth, you would never consider it again. > > > > On every list I belong to it is sincerely expressed that > > the opinions and decisions of ALL parents must be respected and that > > parents of one line of thought not insult or berate others. I respect > > this and learn new things every > > day, and change my mind when convinced otherwise. But I > > cannot handle parents running around looking for safer ways to > > continue poisoning their children. ALL vaccines are dangerous and > > useless. If you are on this list in-particular you cannot read all > > these moving and sometimes gut-wrenching posts and not realize what > > damage is being done, in the name of the " good of society " . If the > > good of society is having a huge portion of the population unable to > > function they are succeeding and we will then have to ask why they > > want it that way. A father recently posted that he cannot > > believe there is a conspiracy, it must have been his sons > > genetics. I don't believe it is a conspiracy, that would mean > > they sat down and planned it, everyone involved knows exactly > > what they are doing and there is an overall evil plan to bury > > and deny the truth. No, but all those things are happening > > because it is a cult, a way of life, and institution that has > > entrenched itself into the life of almost every American and > > has way more control then even you and I know. It is not > > a conspiracy it is simple greed, and business as usual. It > > is a pervasive belief within the system that they can get > > away with anything in the name of public health and they do > > because we encourage them to continue on and continue to let > > them get away with it. > > I have heard about kids that were nearly recovered and totally > > regressed after booster shots. Even if they no longer have > > mercury there are other BIG Problems with vaccines for any > > child but especially for Autistic kids that are now immune- > > compromised, metal toxic, chronically ill, etc. we all know the > > story. If parents are new to the list, read all you can at > > www.909shot.com or www.whale.to or www.vaclib.org and learn all > you > > can about > > vaccines, the system, the shoddy or non-existent testing on > > the short or long-term safety of vaccines and drugs in general. > > The fact that any parent would even ask this question after > > discovering their Autistic child is proof of the hold that > > allopathic medicine has on most people. I for one have never > > turned to the same people that damaged my child to ask for help. > > Yes, it is all your choice, but make a decision from information > > and study, not their own mis-information. How many parents > > have we all heard say, " oh, I will have to ask my pediatrician > > about all this " . Well there went any chance of that parent > > getting anything close to the truth. > > Sorry, if I have insulted anyone, but I am passionate about > > this, my family in-particular has learned our lesson the > > hardest way possible, we have ADHD, Diabetes, Arthritis, Autism (my > > daughter), and an immediate death following vaccines. I sure wish > we > > would have woke up sooner, I might still have a beautiful little > > niece the same age as my daughter who could be a playmate and my > > daughter might actually be capable of playing with her. > > I don't even say " educate before you vaccinate " because that > > assumes you still might. I say educate and you will never > > vaccinate. > > Kendra > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 I don't think its an issue of insult or berate more of preponderance of evidence that siblings of children with autism are much more susceptible to vax injuries of many kinds, not just due to mercury. I have a son 6 yo with autism as well as twin nieces 3 yo with autism. My nieces regressed after vax w/o mercury. Many parents share this type of tragic tale... The benefits of vax do not outweigh these risks... [ ] Re: MMR Vaccine *BRIAN* kiwidp12@m... wrote: " ALL parents must be respected and that > > parents of one line of thought not insult or berate others. " " The fact that any parent would even ask this question after > > discovering their Autistic child is proof of the hold that > > allopathic medicine has on most people. I for one have never > > turned to the same people that damaged my child to ask for help. " I just wanted to add one other thing about the pharmecutical companys, Not only is the FDA and the CDC on thier side, But so is the DEA! I am a very sensitive person, especially when it comes to my son.and I might have came to wrong conclussion. Donna > > There is a simple test you can give your child to see if they can > > safely receive any vaccine whether it has mercury in it or not..... > > > > Hold a mirror in front of their mouth and if there > > is condensation, they are still alive, and cannot > > safely receive any vaccine. (author unknown) > > > > Just one perspective, but mercury is not the only > > issue here folks. Other than parents of children > > who have died following vaccines (my own sister is > > one of those), we are the most damaged by the lies > > and falsehoods as to the value, efficacy and safety of vaccines, and > > the toxic adjutvants they contain. > > You have to have asked yourself if a lie as big as > > mercury in vaccines has been allowed to go on for so > > long, do you really think that is the only issue with > > vaccines, or is the whole concept a scam and a hoax. > > I ask anyone still considering any vaccines for any child > > autistic or not, to do more reading. Once you uncover > > the truth, you would never consider it again. > > > > On every list I belong to it is sincerely expressed that the > > opinions and decisions of ALL parents must be respected and that > > parents of one line of thought not insult or berate others. I respect > > this and learn new things every > > day, and change my mind when convinced otherwise. But I > > cannot handle parents running around looking for safer ways to > > continue poisoning their children. ALL vaccines are dangerous and > > useless. If you are on this list in-particular you cannot read all > > these moving and sometimes gut-wrenching posts and not realize what > > damage is being done, in the name of the " good of society " . If the > > good of society is having a huge portion of the population unable to > > function they are succeeding and we will then have to ask why they > > want it that way. A father recently posted that he cannot > > believe there is a conspiracy, it must have been his sons > > genetics. I don't believe it is a conspiracy, that would mean > > they sat down and planned it, everyone involved knows exactly > > what they are doing and there is an overall evil plan to bury > > and deny the truth. No, but all those things are happening > > because it is a cult, a way of life, and institution that has > > entrenched itself into the life of almost every American and > > has way more control then even you and I know. It is not > > a conspiracy it is simple greed, and business as usual. It > > is a pervasive belief within the system that they can get > > away with anything in the name of public health and they do > > because we encourage them to continue on and continue to let > > them get away with it. > > I have heard about kids that were nearly recovered and totally > > regressed after booster shots. Even if they no longer have > > mercury there are other BIG Problems with vaccines for any > > child but especially for Autistic kids that are now immune- > > compromised, metal toxic, chronically ill, etc. we all know the > > story. If parents are new to the list, read all you can at > > www.909shot.com or www.whale.to or www.vaclib.org and learn all > you > > can about > > vaccines, the system, the shoddy or non-existent testing on the > > short or long-term safety of vaccines and drugs in general. The fact > > that any parent would even ask this question after discovering their > > Autistic child is proof of the hold that allopathic medicine has on > > most people. I for one have never turned to the same people that > > damaged my child to ask for help. Yes, it is all your choice, but > > make a decision from information and study, not their own > > mis-information. How many parents have we all heard say, " oh, I > > will have to ask my pediatrician about all this " . Well there went > > any chance of that parent getting anything close to the truth. > > Sorry, if I have insulted anyone, but I am passionate about > > this, my family in-particular has learned our lesson the > > hardest way possible, we have ADHD, Diabetes, Arthritis, Autism (my > > daughter), and an immediate death following vaccines. I sure wish > we > > would have woke up sooner, I might still have a beautiful little > > niece the same age as my daughter who could be a playmate and my > > daughter might actually be capable of playing with her. I don't even > > say " educate before you vaccinate " because that assumes you still > > might. I say educate and you will never vaccinate. > > Kendra > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 This lady on one of my list, She said her child had seizures after a dpt vaccine and was hospitaliized, she still coninues to vaccinate, But she spreads them out so the child doesnt get all the vaccines at one time. I would like to copy and post some things from here on to that list, I think I will, I had posted about mercury in the vaccines and she said she had read something about that in mothers magazine.. I dont know if it was a negative article or not..It might have been if she is still vaccinating a already vaccine damaged child. > > > There is a simple test you can give your child to see if they > can > > > safely receive any vaccine whether it has mercury in it or > not..... > > > > > > Hold a mirror in front of their mouth and if there > > > is condensation, they are still alive, and cannot > > > safely receive any vaccine. (author unknown) > > > > > > Just one perspective, but mercury is not the only > > > issue here folks. Other than parents of children > > > who have died following vaccines (my own sister is > > > one of those), we are the most damaged by the lies > > > and falsehoods as to the value, efficacy and safety of vaccines, > and > > > the toxic adjutvants they contain. > > > You have to have asked yourself if a lie as big as > > > mercury in vaccines has been allowed to go on for so > > > long, do you really think that is the only issue with > > > vaccines, or is the whole concept a scam and a hoax. > > > I ask anyone still considering any vaccines for any child > > > autistic or not, to do more reading. Once you uncover > > > the truth, you would never consider it again. > > > > > > On every list I belong to it is sincerely expressed that the > > > opinions and decisions of ALL parents must be respected and > that > > > parents of one line of thought not insult or berate others. I > respect > > > this and learn new things every > > > day, and change my mind when convinced otherwise. But I > > > cannot handle parents running around looking for safer ways to > > > continue poisoning their children. ALL vaccines are dangerous > and > > > useless. If you are on this list in-particular you cannot read > all > > > these moving and sometimes gut-wrenching posts and not realize > what > > > damage is being done, in the name of the " good of society " . If > the > > > good of society is having a huge portion of the population > unable to > > > function they are succeeding and we will then have to ask why > they > > > want it that way. A father recently posted that he cannot > > > believe there is a conspiracy, it must have been his sons > > > genetics. I don't believe it is a conspiracy, that would mean > > > they sat down and planned it, everyone involved knows exactly > > > what they are doing and there is an overall evil plan to bury > > > and deny the truth. No, but all those things are happening > > > because it is a cult, a way of life, and institution that has > > > entrenched itself into the life of almost every American and > > > has way more control then even you and I know. It is not > > > a conspiracy it is simple greed, and business as usual. It > > > is a pervasive belief within the system that they can get > > > away with anything in the name of public health and they do > > > because we encourage them to continue on and continue to let > > > them get away with it. > > > I have heard about kids that were nearly recovered and totally > > > regressed after booster shots. Even if they no longer have > > > mercury there are other BIG Problems with vaccines for any > > > child but especially for Autistic kids that are now immune- > > > compromised, metal toxic, chronically ill, etc. we all know the > > > story. If parents are new to the list, read all you can at > > > www.909shot.com or www.whale.to or www.vaclib.org and learn all > > you > > > can about > > > vaccines, the system, the shoddy or non-existent testing on the > > > short or long-term safety of vaccines and drugs in general. The fact > > > > that any parent would even ask this question after discovering their > > > > Autistic child is proof of the hold that allopathic medicine has on > > > most people. I for one have never turned to the same people that > > > damaged my child to ask for help. Yes, it is all your choice, but > > > make a decision from information and study, not their own > > > mis-information. How many parents have we all heard say, " oh, I > > > will have to ask my pediatrician about all this " . Well there went > > > any chance of that parent getting anything close to the truth. > > > Sorry, if I have insulted anyone, but I am passionate about > > > this, my family in-particular has learned our lesson the > > > hardest way possible, we have ADHD, Diabetes, Arthritis, Autism > (my > > > daughter), and an immediate death following vaccines. I sure > wish > > we > > > would have woke up sooner, I might still have a beautiful little > > > niece the same age as my daughter who could be a playmate and my > > > daughter might actually be capable of playing with her. I don't even > > > > say " educate before you vaccinate " because that assumes you still > > > might. I say educate and you will never vaccinate. > > > Kendra > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Donna, I did not take your reply negatively at all. It was a wonderful story of someone like the rest of us who learned the hard way about vaccines. In fact from everything I read there is absolutely nothing that we disagree on. Like you I am just trying to help other kids, and hopefully prevent this from happening to someone else. I, like you, may go over the top a little because I am so passionate about this issue. I have learned like you from other posts to be somewhat careful after all we all had our own learning curve. I just sometimes feel so desperate to speed up the curve for others before they make a devastating mistake. I did read the mirror condensation thing on an anti-vaccine website, it is awesome. Actually that is probably the harshest thing I said, there is a lot unsaid in that statement. My entire family has suffered too much misery because of vaccines. I think making that clear to people let's them know we have been there too, before realizing vaccines were the culprit. It's obvious from both of our posts and 's that when we write these posts it is not for each other, as they say, " You are preaching to the choir " . It's obvious we agree, so we just have to help others and hopefully not turn them off in the process. Sometimes it is easier than others. Sometimes it's nice knowing there are others out there that feel as strongly. Sometimes someone has to play the bad cop though. Keep up the good fight Donna. Blessings to you and your son. Kendra " ALL parents must be respected and that > > > > parents of one line of thought not insult or berate others. " > > > > " The fact that any parent would even ask this question after > > > > discovering their Autistic child is proof of the hold that > > > > allopathic medicine has on most people. I for one have never > > > > turned to the same people that damaged my child to ask for > help. " > > > > I just wanted to add one other thing about the pharmecutical > > companys, Not only is the FDA and the CDC on thier side, But so is > > the DEA! > > > > I am a very sensitive person, especially when it comes to my > son.and > > I might have came to wrong conclussion. > > > > Donna > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Hello Kendra, Im so happy that you wrote this, When I first began reading your last post I got almost half way through before the tears came on, I dont cry to often, But I had a good cry, and had to wait a few minutes to continue your letter. I was just emotional and read one part wrong. Im happy that you feel so passionate about this, and for all the others who have a passion to make things " right " . I hated pharmecuticals companys for thier greed and disregard for human life...and when I found out my son was sick because of these same people, That might have put me over the edge! I can not sit back knowing the dangers of the vaccines and knowing there are lots of children in special schools for handicapped that are vaccine damaged who are not aware of it, They will get worst with every vaccine that is jabbed into thier already suffering body! Retts syndrome for example, One little girl her mercury level is 14.8, If she continues to get the flu vaccine every year what will happen to an already profoundly handicapped child. They will die...And thats exactaly what happens ...99.9 % of Retts children die. Could this be prevented? If a child with severe autism is given the flu vaccine every year what happens to this child? Why is this so hard for the CDC and the FDA to see? I know they are a hell of a lot smarter than I am. and if I can see it why cant they? I wrote a letter to a Dr at the CDC after finding out about my son, when I first wrote,it was before I had my sons test results back on his hair, The dr at the cdc said my sons problems could be from anything, When I got my sons hair test back,I wrote a letter back to him, I told him that its his JOB to protect people in America, Thats what he gets paid for..I sad you do work for the Center for Disease Control and PREVENTION! He never did reply to that letter. Donna " ALL parents must be respected and that > > > > > parents of one line of thought not insult or berate others. " > > > > > > " The fact that any parent would even ask this question after > > > > > discovering their Autistic child is proof of the hold that > > > > > allopathic medicine has on most people. I for one have never > > > > > turned to the same people that damaged my child to ask for > > help. " > > > > > > I just wanted to add one other thing about the pharmecutical > > > companys, Not only is the FDA and the CDC on thier side, But so > is > > > the DEA! > > > > > > I am a very sensitive person, especially when it comes to my > > son.and > > > I might have came to wrong conclussion. > > > > > > Donna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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