Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Posted March 16, 2006 Cathy wrote: I am facing a big decision with what to do with my daughter next September and would love some other peoples opinions and experiences. My 12 year old daughter had a unilateral loss than progressive loss in her other ear - now deaf with a ci and hearing aid. <snippage> So I have no idea which to chose. Any ideas or suggestions would be great. ** Cathy, The biggest suggestion I can make would be for your family to visit the charter school during the school day - maybe even see if they'll let observe a class or two. That would be one good way to get a feel for how things run at the school - and would let " test drive " the school as well. As far as what services can be provided - I don't know what the charter arrangements are in your school district. Here, our school district takes the view that they have a mandate to provide IEP-level services to any child who is a resident of our school district, *regardless* of whether they are attending a public or private school. In other words, the little guy who lives across the street from me and who attends the local parochial school can obtain the same SLP services receives with only a little bit of juggling by the entities involved (mainly to get him transported to the closest district school and back again for him to receive services). Good luck - there's probably no " right " or " wrong " decision that you can make - you can only make the decision as to which option will be best for given all of the circumstances involved. For what it's worth, we have consciously made the choice to drive our boys to the other side of our school district (a 15 to 20 minute trip) to attend our Montessori program, even though we had a brand new elementary school open fewer than four blocks away from us this school year. It would be more convenient for them to attend the neighborhood school, and it definitely has some bells and whistles that our school doesn't (our building is one of the oldest in the district) - but we felt that the advantages of our chosen program (class size being one of them) outweighed the advantages of keeping the boys closer to home. Hugs to you, Kris Mom to (7 y.o., Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o., hearing) Quote
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Posted March 16, 2006 Cathy wrote: I am facing a big decision with what to do with my daughter next September and would love some other peoples opinions and experiences. My 12 year old daughter had a unilateral loss than progressive loss in her other ear - now deaf with a ci and hearing aid. <snippage> So I have no idea which to chose. Any ideas or suggestions would be great. ** Cathy, The biggest suggestion I can make would be for your family to visit the charter school during the school day - maybe even see if they'll let observe a class or two. That would be one good way to get a feel for how things run at the school - and would let " test drive " the school as well. As far as what services can be provided - I don't know what the charter arrangements are in your school district. Here, our school district takes the view that they have a mandate to provide IEP-level services to any child who is a resident of our school district, *regardless* of whether they are attending a public or private school. In other words, the little guy who lives across the street from me and who attends the local parochial school can obtain the same SLP services receives with only a little bit of juggling by the entities involved (mainly to get him transported to the closest district school and back again for him to receive services). Good luck - there's probably no " right " or " wrong " decision that you can make - you can only make the decision as to which option will be best for given all of the circumstances involved. For what it's worth, we have consciously made the choice to drive our boys to the other side of our school district (a 15 to 20 minute trip) to attend our Montessori program, even though we had a brand new elementary school open fewer than four blocks away from us this school year. It would be more convenient for them to attend the neighborhood school, and it definitely has some bells and whistles that our school doesn't (our building is one of the oldest in the district) - but we felt that the advantages of our chosen program (class size being one of them) outweighed the advantages of keeping the boys closer to home. Hugs to you, Kris Mom to (7 y.o., Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o., hearing) Quote
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Posted March 16, 2006 Cathy wrote: I am facing a big decision with what to do with my daughter next September and would love some other peoples opinions and experiences. My 12 year old daughter had a unilateral loss than progressive loss in her other ear - now deaf with a ci and hearing aid. <snippage> So I have no idea which to chose. Any ideas or suggestions would be great. ** Cathy, The biggest suggestion I can make would be for your family to visit the charter school during the school day - maybe even see if they'll let observe a class or two. That would be one good way to get a feel for how things run at the school - and would let " test drive " the school as well. As far as what services can be provided - I don't know what the charter arrangements are in your school district. Here, our school district takes the view that they have a mandate to provide IEP-level services to any child who is a resident of our school district, *regardless* of whether they are attending a public or private school. In other words, the little guy who lives across the street from me and who attends the local parochial school can obtain the same SLP services receives with only a little bit of juggling by the entities involved (mainly to get him transported to the closest district school and back again for him to receive services). Good luck - there's probably no " right " or " wrong " decision that you can make - you can only make the decision as to which option will be best for given all of the circumstances involved. For what it's worth, we have consciously made the choice to drive our boys to the other side of our school district (a 15 to 20 minute trip) to attend our Montessori program, even though we had a brand new elementary school open fewer than four blocks away from us this school year. It would be more convenient for them to attend the neighborhood school, and it definitely has some bells and whistles that our school doesn't (our building is one of the oldest in the district) - but we felt that the advantages of our chosen program (class size being one of them) outweighed the advantages of keeping the boys closer to home. Hugs to you, Kris Mom to (7 y.o., Complete SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6 y.o., hearing) Quote
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Posted March 17, 2006 Not so much an idea as a question .... if she did attend this magnet middle school would it include her high school as well? Around here they're not necessarily together. We have a few private schools that go through 8th grade and then a couple private high schools. I ask because if she is doing well in the middle school now, then perhaps she could stay there until it's time for high school. And then instead of the huge public high school, you could opt for a smaller private one. And I agree with Kris about going in and observing the school in action. Just because it's a magnet school doesn't mean it's as perfect as its reputation suggests. We have a magnet elementary school in our district and while it has a few bells and whistles (including all day kindergarten) it is really no better than the elementary that my kids attended. It has the reputation it does because of the lottery that's run for admission, because of a few extra programs. But the additional time on the bus and the fact that my kids didn't need the special programs means this " wonderful " school was no better than our neighborhood school. So go evaluate the school in action. Talk frankly with the administrator/principal about your child's specific needs. See what they say and how they would plan to accommodate her. You have a program that's working. As my Gramma use to say " you don't need to fix what's not broken. " I wish you luck. Best -- Jill Quote
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Posted March 17, 2006 Not so much an idea as a question .... if she did attend this magnet middle school would it include her high school as well? Around here they're not necessarily together. We have a few private schools that go through 8th grade and then a couple private high schools. I ask because if she is doing well in the middle school now, then perhaps she could stay there until it's time for high school. And then instead of the huge public high school, you could opt for a smaller private one. And I agree with Kris about going in and observing the school in action. Just because it's a magnet school doesn't mean it's as perfect as its reputation suggests. We have a magnet elementary school in our district and while it has a few bells and whistles (including all day kindergarten) it is really no better than the elementary that my kids attended. It has the reputation it does because of the lottery that's run for admission, because of a few extra programs. But the additional time on the bus and the fact that my kids didn't need the special programs means this " wonderful " school was no better than our neighborhood school. So go evaluate the school in action. Talk frankly with the administrator/principal about your child's specific needs. See what they say and how they would plan to accommodate her. You have a program that's working. As my Gramma use to say " you don't need to fix what's not broken. " I wish you luck. Best -- Jill Quote
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Posted March 17, 2006 Not so much an idea as a question .... if she did attend this magnet middle school would it include her high school as well? Around here they're not necessarily together. We have a few private schools that go through 8th grade and then a couple private high schools. I ask because if she is doing well in the middle school now, then perhaps she could stay there until it's time for high school. And then instead of the huge public high school, you could opt for a smaller private one. And I agree with Kris about going in and observing the school in action. Just because it's a magnet school doesn't mean it's as perfect as its reputation suggests. We have a magnet elementary school in our district and while it has a few bells and whistles (including all day kindergarten) it is really no better than the elementary that my kids attended. It has the reputation it does because of the lottery that's run for admission, because of a few extra programs. But the additional time on the bus and the fact that my kids didn't need the special programs means this " wonderful " school was no better than our neighborhood school. So go evaluate the school in action. Talk frankly with the administrator/principal about your child's specific needs. See what they say and how they would plan to accommodate her. You have a program that's working. As my Gramma use to say " you don't need to fix what's not broken. " I wish you luck. Best -- Jill Quote
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Posted March 17, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 8:13:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, JillcWood@... writes: Not so much an idea as a question .... if she did attend this magnet middle school would it include her high school as well? Around here they're not necessarily together. We have a few private schools that go through 8th grade and then a couple private high schools. Hi Jill, It does go all the way through high school. Our high school really scares me. It is just huge. I was so proud of myself last night there. I finally found my way to all my daughters classes without help at the parent teacher conference - and it only took me 4 years to be able to do this! Cathy Quote
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Posted March 17, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 8:13:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, JillcWood@... writes: Not so much an idea as a question .... if she did attend this magnet middle school would it include her high school as well? Around here they're not necessarily together. We have a few private schools that go through 8th grade and then a couple private high schools. Hi Jill, It does go all the way through high school. Our high school really scares me. It is just huge. I was so proud of myself last night there. I finally found my way to all my daughters classes without help at the parent teacher conference - and it only took me 4 years to be able to do this! Cathy Quote
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Posted March 17, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 8:13:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, JillcWood@... writes: Not so much an idea as a question .... if she did attend this magnet middle school would it include her high school as well? Around here they're not necessarily together. We have a few private schools that go through 8th grade and then a couple private high schools. Hi Jill, It does go all the way through high school. Our high school really scares me. It is just huge. I was so proud of myself last night there. I finally found my way to all my daughters classes without help at the parent teacher conference - and it only took me 4 years to be able to do this! Cathy Quote
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Posted March 17, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 12:28:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, soccrnurz1@... writes: Hi Jill, It does go all the way through high school. Our high school really scares me. It is just huge. I was so proud of myself last night there. I finally found my way to all my daughters classes without help at the parent teacher conference - and it only took me 4 years to be able to do this! Cathy We have a high school in our county that is that huge. Rather than building a second high school ages ago, they chose to build onto the old one. Then each time there was a population increase, they built more. After a while they'd already committed too much into this one campus, so they kept expanding it. Now it's one of the fastest growing communities, so they're getting more and more kids. They have many elementary schools (just built another one last year), two middle schools and one high school -- with four full size gyms. I forget how many lunch rooms. And the kids get 6 or 8 minutes between classes because they simply can't get between rooms/wings quickly enough. I don't think I would have agreed to have Ian in the school ... it is just too large and overwhelming. Too many kids for him to receive the support he needs. Although, their reputation for support is great and my best friend's son is currently a junior there. Still, even with the good reports I've heard, I still find the size absolutely daunting. Can you opt to have her in the middle school and then press for a smaller high school setting in a couple years? Or are you concerned that this is your one chance to get into that other school/program? I mean, could your child's special needs qualify her for acceptance into it once it's time for high school? I'd hate to move my child away from a place that is making her feel successful for the first time. I remember when Ian hit middle school and made honor roll for the first time in his life -- got his first report card that was equally As and Bs, and not a single C. He was walking on air and silly me was all teary when he proudly gave me that report card. I'd have been torn at the concept of moving him to a new place. This is such a hard thing! Best -- Jill. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Posted March 17, 2006 I've had kids in public and private schools in different states so I'll throw out some things to think about. Big schools are usually ok for good students - they have some specialized programs that small high schools don't. If she is in an honors track it usually helps too, classes are smaller and it's a smaller group of kids that they deal with socially. Small schools have this as well all the way around, usually not so many special programs though. I'm convinced my middle daughter would be a gang member if we let her attend our local public high school. She needed the small school support. My HOH child would be fine there, though we still aren't sending her there for other reasons. Charter schools usually have some sort of special emphasis. What is this one's?? Sometimes that special interest can tip the balance. I have a friend who teaches in a charter elem, they have 2 grades in each classroom with a lead teacher and an associate teacher. In our town we have a magnet school that is for law and law enforcement, another for health careers, one that is a career school with no band or teams or anything just vocational type stuff with lots of internships etc. We have an elementary school for science and math. Staying in the same " track " lets her keep the same friends. But sometimes a fresh start is better and if there are other kids with hearing loss at the charter school, that may help with socialization. They can at least identify with each other. 8th grade would be a good time to move, and being with a group in 8th grade would help prepare her for the charter high school. One problem with a magnet school is kids make friends and then find out they often live quite far away from you. I have the same situatiion as you - older sister without hearing loss that's not a great student, younger sister HOH and an honors student. Not what you would expect! Maggie is 14 and in 8th grade, will keep attending the private school she's been at since 5K. Since it is college prep, they have lots of AP classes and just built a new building with terrific science facilities. When I was in high school, there was a " lab " school at Nova University in Ft. Lauderdale. I applied in 8th grade and finally was accepted for my senior year. I ended up not going mostly because of the senior thing. \ Good luck with your decision, I know it is a lot to think about! in GA Question about schools/ charter schools > >Hi Everyone, > I am facing a big decision with what to do with my daughter next >September and would love some other peoples opinions and experiences. My 12 >year old daughter had a unilateral loss than progressive loss in her other ear - >now deaf with a ci and hearing aid. Last year she had a tough time mostly >socially in school. She was in 6th grade had been in the same school a long >time and was in class with a horrible group of kids so I put her on the waiting >list for a charter school. > This year in middle school it has gone great so far. She is in >honors level, has made some friends, has great teachers and is doing very well. >She uses c-print for notes and has an FM system (when it works right). We just >got a letter that she is at the top of the list for the charter school and >are very torn with what to do. > The charter school is about 30 minutes away. I have to arrange >transportation and truthfully have not talked to them about what services they >can provide for her. I do know that other hard of hearing students go there and >they have to follow IEP's, but not sure if they will give everything >has now. and I both loved the open house, the teachers all seemed >great - but of course this was a 5 minute meeting with them. If I keep her in >public school I am not worried about 8th grade, but am worried about high >school. We live in a large city, it has a high school of about 4000! It is huge >and it is so easy for kids to get lost in the system. Some of the teachers are >great - but some really are not. My oldest daughter graduates this year and >really thinks would be better at a smaller school, but she is not a >good student - is. So I have no idea which to chose. Any ideas or >suggestions would be great. >Thanks, >Cathy > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Posted March 17, 2006 I've had kids in public and private schools in different states so I'll throw out some things to think about. Big schools are usually ok for good students - they have some specialized programs that small high schools don't. If she is in an honors track it usually helps too, classes are smaller and it's a smaller group of kids that they deal with socially. Small schools have this as well all the way around, usually not so many special programs though. I'm convinced my middle daughter would be a gang member if we let her attend our local public high school. She needed the small school support. My HOH child would be fine there, though we still aren't sending her there for other reasons. Charter schools usually have some sort of special emphasis. What is this one's?? Sometimes that special interest can tip the balance. I have a friend who teaches in a charter elem, they have 2 grades in each classroom with a lead teacher and an associate teacher. In our town we have a magnet school that is for law and law enforcement, another for health careers, one that is a career school with no band or teams or anything just vocational type stuff with lots of internships etc. We have an elementary school for science and math. Staying in the same " track " lets her keep the same friends. But sometimes a fresh start is better and if there are other kids with hearing loss at the charter school, that may help with socialization. They can at least identify with each other. 8th grade would be a good time to move, and being with a group in 8th grade would help prepare her for the charter high school. One problem with a magnet school is kids make friends and then find out they often live quite far away from you. I have the same situatiion as you - older sister without hearing loss that's not a great student, younger sister HOH and an honors student. Not what you would expect! Maggie is 14 and in 8th grade, will keep attending the private school she's been at since 5K. Since it is college prep, they have lots of AP classes and just built a new building with terrific science facilities. When I was in high school, there was a " lab " school at Nova University in Ft. Lauderdale. I applied in 8th grade and finally was accepted for my senior year. I ended up not going mostly because of the senior thing. \ Good luck with your decision, I know it is a lot to think about! in GA Question about schools/ charter schools > >Hi Everyone, > I am facing a big decision with what to do with my daughter next >September and would love some other peoples opinions and experiences. My 12 >year old daughter had a unilateral loss than progressive loss in her other ear - >now deaf with a ci and hearing aid. Last year she had a tough time mostly >socially in school. She was in 6th grade had been in the same school a long >time and was in class with a horrible group of kids so I put her on the waiting >list for a charter school. > This year in middle school it has gone great so far. She is in >honors level, has made some friends, has great teachers and is doing very well. >She uses c-print for notes and has an FM system (when it works right). We just >got a letter that she is at the top of the list for the charter school and >are very torn with what to do. > The charter school is about 30 minutes away. I have to arrange >transportation and truthfully have not talked to them about what services they >can provide for her. I do know that other hard of hearing students go there and >they have to follow IEP's, but not sure if they will give everything >has now. and I both loved the open house, the teachers all seemed >great - but of course this was a 5 minute meeting with them. If I keep her in >public school I am not worried about 8th grade, but am worried about high >school. We live in a large city, it has a high school of about 4000! It is huge >and it is so easy for kids to get lost in the system. Some of the teachers are >great - but some really are not. My oldest daughter graduates this year and >really thinks would be better at a smaller school, but she is not a >good student - is. So I have no idea which to chose. Any ideas or >suggestions would be great. >Thanks, >Cathy > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Posted March 17, 2006 I've had kids in public and private schools in different states so I'll throw out some things to think about. Big schools are usually ok for good students - they have some specialized programs that small high schools don't. If she is in an honors track it usually helps too, classes are smaller and it's a smaller group of kids that they deal with socially. Small schools have this as well all the way around, usually not so many special programs though. I'm convinced my middle daughter would be a gang member if we let her attend our local public high school. She needed the small school support. My HOH child would be fine there, though we still aren't sending her there for other reasons. Charter schools usually have some sort of special emphasis. What is this one's?? Sometimes that special interest can tip the balance. I have a friend who teaches in a charter elem, they have 2 grades in each classroom with a lead teacher and an associate teacher. In our town we have a magnet school that is for law and law enforcement, another for health careers, one that is a career school with no band or teams or anything just vocational type stuff with lots of internships etc. We have an elementary school for science and math. Staying in the same " track " lets her keep the same friends. But sometimes a fresh start is better and if there are other kids with hearing loss at the charter school, that may help with socialization. They can at least identify with each other. 8th grade would be a good time to move, and being with a group in 8th grade would help prepare her for the charter high school. One problem with a magnet school is kids make friends and then find out they often live quite far away from you. I have the same situatiion as you - older sister without hearing loss that's not a great student, younger sister HOH and an honors student. Not what you would expect! Maggie is 14 and in 8th grade, will keep attending the private school she's been at since 5K. Since it is college prep, they have lots of AP classes and just built a new building with terrific science facilities. When I was in high school, there was a " lab " school at Nova University in Ft. Lauderdale. I applied in 8th grade and finally was accepted for my senior year. I ended up not going mostly because of the senior thing. \ Good luck with your decision, I know it is a lot to think about! in GA Question about schools/ charter schools > >Hi Everyone, > I am facing a big decision with what to do with my daughter next >September and would love some other peoples opinions and experiences. My 12 >year old daughter had a unilateral loss than progressive loss in her other ear - >now deaf with a ci and hearing aid. Last year she had a tough time mostly >socially in school. She was in 6th grade had been in the same school a long >time and was in class with a horrible group of kids so I put her on the waiting >list for a charter school. > This year in middle school it has gone great so far. She is in >honors level, has made some friends, has great teachers and is doing very well. >She uses c-print for notes and has an FM system (when it works right). We just >got a letter that she is at the top of the list for the charter school and >are very torn with what to do. > The charter school is about 30 minutes away. I have to arrange >transportation and truthfully have not talked to them about what services they >can provide for her. I do know that other hard of hearing students go there and >they have to follow IEP's, but not sure if they will give everything >has now. and I both loved the open house, the teachers all seemed >great - but of course this was a 5 minute meeting with them. If I keep her in >public school I am not worried about 8th grade, but am worried about high >school. We live in a large city, it has a high school of about 4000! It is huge >and it is so easy for kids to get lost in the system. Some of the teachers are >great - but some really are not. My oldest daughter graduates this year and >really thinks would be better at a smaller school, but she is not a >good student - is. So I have no idea which to chose. Any ideas or >suggestions would be great. >Thanks, >Cathy > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Posted March 18, 2006 Hi Jill, Our city high school is the only one. There are at least 10 elementary schools, 4 middle schools and then the one high school. It is huge and the kids have 5 minutes to get from one class to the other - in very packed hallways. I honestly have no idea how they do it. Just an update. I spoke at length to the director and then to the speech and language pathologist they have on staff. They were wonderful. They think they can accommodate everything in her IEP. and I are going Wednesday to meet them, see the place again and maybe observe a class and meet the teachers. The also asked for information about the c-print she gets, and said that is a possibility also. They funny part was when I spoke to the person who does the c-print she does not seem to mind the idea at all (if they can match salary). She said she was also a little concerned about the high school and the things that she has heard about it. So maybe this would be a very good move for all involved. We will see what happens next week when we go. Cathy Quote
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Posted March 18, 2006 My son (hearing, but not listening) goes to a charter school, though its his 1st year, and he is only in kindergarten, it's a great school. The students and the teachers are all great, he does well in his studies, and socially. The classes are smaller than our public schools here in Indianapolis, that leads me to believe that in a smaller setting, a lot of teaching takes place. I think it would be harder for a kid to " slip through " , and socially, a smaller class is better because the peer group is smaller. I don't think there are many cliques in smaller classes. I have no experience with the IEP's (my HOH daughter isn't school age yet). I hope this helps. When my son was on the waiting list, he was already enrolled, and going to a public school. I was a little uneasy about removing him from his routine, and friends he had already made. When we rcvd the letter that he was accepted I was able to take a longer tour, and meet more in depth with all of the teachers my son has classes with, PE, spanish, music, and art. Our public school system had cut the arts programs, and we felt it was important. Ask the school if you can come in for a tour, see if the school has an email system that will allow you to introduce yourself, and daughter to the teachers, and find out about their experiences with HOH / Deaf students. If she decides to go, have your daughter help you make a Helpful Hints list for the teachers, we do that with sitters. Like, speaking with a bright light behind you doesnt allow me to see your face or gestures well. Or whatever is applicable. Most ppl appreciate it, because they dont have much experience with HOH kids. sorry i rambled. amanda soccrnurz1@... wrote: Hi Everyone, I am facing a big decision with what to do with my daughter next September and would love some other peoples opinions and experiences. My 12 year old daughter had a unilateral loss than progressive loss in her other ear - now deaf with a ci and hearing aid. Last year she had a tough time mostly socially in school. She was in 6th grade had been in the same school a long time and was in class with a horrible group of kids so I put her on the waiting list for a charter school. This year in middle school it has gone great so far. She is in honors level, has made some friends, has great teachers and is doing very well. She uses c-print for notes and has an FM system (when it works right). We just got a letter that she is at the top of the list for the charter school and are very torn with what to do. The charter school is about 30 minutes away. I have to arrange transportation and truthfully have not talked to them about what services they can provide for her. I do know that other hard of hearing students go there and they have to follow IEP's, but not sure if they will give everything has now. and I both loved the open house, the teachers all seemed great - but of course this was a 5 minute meeting with them. If I keep her in public school I am not worried about 8th grade, but am worried about high school. We live in a large city, it has a high school of about 4000! It is huge and it is so easy for kids to get lost in the system. Some of the teachers are great - but some really are not. My oldest daughter graduates this year and really thinks would be better at a smaller school, but she is not a good student - is. So I have no idea which to chose. Any ideas or suggestions would be great. Thanks, Cathy Quote
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Posted March 19, 2006 charter schools are actually funded by the local public school systems (providing buildings, textbooks, etc). Some are private funded. There are deaf charter schools in Minneapolis and Colorado (I think Denver). In Washington, D.C., there are many charter schools who are heavily used by black students. In Northern VA, for legal or funding purposes, some religious schools are charter. Nevertheless, all charter schools and private schools are under the ADA no matter what the high-price lawyers they hired tell you. Mike Quote
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