Re: Debi - TTFD and Authia and NDF too

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I'm interested in your experience with TTFD(?) if you could write to me on

private ,please

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-- [ ] Debi - TTFD and Authia and NDF too

Debi,

While TTFD is not popular on this board, and Andy feels strongly that it's

useless for removing metals, I can say that in my son's case it appears to

have very definitely removed metals, based on before and after hair tests.

The after hair test (Doctors Data)showed high amounts of mercury, aluminium,

antimony, arsenic, lead, silver and titanium being excreted in my son's hair

Clinically and behaviourally, he also does very well during periods on TTFD

There are always errors in labs, and our son may be the exception to the

rule, but in his case it has certainly correlated with significant gains and

metals leaving his body. Hope this helps, and with all respect to those who

have had a different experience.

Waugh. In for a penny, in for a pound. I might as well make myself totally

unpopular while I'm at it. ;-) I'm going to add that we have also used NDF

separately from TTFD. I realize NDF is even more controversial, probably,

than TTFD on this board. I have to admit that in our house, for our son, it

s correlated even more immediately with same-day gains in speech than the

TTFD. Similar for us to gains from the methyl B-12 in seeming to throw a

switch right away. Sudden sentence constructs and vocabulary and

participation that hadn't been there hours before. I have to say straight

away that I haven't done lab testing with it to confirm what's happening

with metals. I fully recognize that Andy says that cilantro and Chlorella

are dangerous, and it was out of respect for him that we hesitated so long.

All I would want to say is that for our son it has coincided immediately

with gains, perhaps by coincidence.

Best wishes to all.

Abbie

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> While TTFD is not popular on this board, and Andy feels strongly that it's

> useless for removing metals, I can say that in my son's case it appears to

> have very definitely removed metals, based on before and after hair tests.

> The after hair test (Doctors Data)showed high amounts of mercury, aluminium,

> antimony, arsenic, lead, silver and titanium being excreted in my son's hair

> Clinically and behaviourally, he also does very well during periods on TTFD

> There are always errors in labs, and our son may be the exception to the

> rule, but in his case it has certainly correlated with significant gains and

> metals leaving his body. Hope this helps, and with all respect to those who

> have had a different experience.

>

> Waugh. In for a penny, in for a pound. I might as well make myself totally

> unpopular while I'm at it. ;-) I'm going to add that we have also used NDF

> separately from TTFD. I realize NDF is even more controversial, probably,

> than TTFD on this board. I have to admit that in our house, for our son, it

> s correlated even more immediately with same-day gains in speech than the

> TTFD. Similar for us to gains from the methyl B-12 in seeming to throw a

> switch right away. Sudden sentence constructs and vocabulary and

> participation that hadn't been there hours before. I have to say straight

> away that I haven't done lab testing with it to confirm what's happening

> with metals. I fully recognize that Andy says that cilantro and Chlorella

> are dangerous, and it was out of respect for him that we hesitated so long.

> All I would want to say is that for our son it has coincided immediately

> with gains, perhaps by coincidence.

Abbie and all,

I really do want people to feel free to share their experiences.

Different things happen to different people. I do not get upset about

you describing your experiences - they are what really happened to you

and in a scientific sense are the only available truth. What they mean

is all we really discuss.

To define my opinions on TTFD, NDF and M-B12 shots:

TTFD: all evidence I have seen to date is compelling it does not clear

metals. It certainly absorbs and is a B1 analogue. It is apparently

quite toxic to some people's livers, but not everyone's. Proper

supplementation does affect hair test results so if he needs lots of

B1, then TTFD would make the test look better.

NDF: again, I find the evidence available to me compelling in forming

the opinion it doesn't clear any metals. This is not to say it does

nothing, everyone who takes it does report some subjective effects.

They are typically not at all like the subjective effects of chelation,

but rather those of immune activation. Since I don't think it does

anything significant related to metals there is no reason not to take

it if it helps other than expense. I'm not against it, I am only

against skipping real chelation because of it.

M-B12 injections. These actually are wonderful for some kids. They

also have a high adverse reaction rate. Many people do great on

amounts of M-B12 that can be gotten into them without needles. I

simply caution people to slowly increase dosage, avoid needles if not

necessary, and be aware of the signs (aggression, agitation, anger,

lack of motivation) of having too much. I very specifically do NOT

think this is a treatment to always avoid, there are cases where it is

quite appropriate. It just isn't appropriate to do it to everyone, or

to start with it instead of ramping up first with oral dosing. Also

given the nature of the side effects, one can be a lot more flexible in

just trying it with children young enough not to be physically capable

of being a hazard to their parents or others. Once the kids are big

enough (or with adults) it is essential to ramp up slowly since one or

two shots can be all it takes to create a couple of months of agitated

angry aggression which is a very good way to get in serious trouble.

The only way I can come to reasoned opinions on this kind of thing is

if people share their experiences, pro and con, on the list. Everyone

should feel free to do so. The only inappropriate behaviors are

obessive or sophistic argument carried out to such an extent that it

becomes disruptive to the list, and almost everyone on here is very

reasonable about that.

Andy . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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My ISP was out for several days, I dunno if this post was directed

to me since it has my name in the heading. I will assume it was

someone else, 'cause I haven't a clue what it's about. If someone

was discussing this issue with me, pls feel free to email off list,

I'm so lost with my entire Internet life right now!

Debi

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> Debi,

>

> While TTFD is not popular on this board, and Andy feels strongly

that it's useless for removing metals, I can say that in my son's

case it appears to have very definitely removed metals, based on

before and after hair tests. The after hair test (Doctors Data)

showed high amounts of mercury, aluminium, antimony, arsenic, lead,

silver and titanium being excreted in my son's hair. Clinically and

behaviourally, he also does very well during periods on TTFD. There

are always errors in labs, and our son may be the exception to the

rule, but in his case it has certainly correlated with significant

gains and metals leaving his body. Hope this helps, and with all

respect to those who have had a different experience.

>

> Waugh. In for a penny, in for a pound. I might as well make myself

totally unpopular while I'm at it. ;-) I'm going to add that we

have also used NDF separately from TTFD. I realize NDF is even more

controversial, probably, than TTFD on this board.

Anyone who writes in about experiences with TTFD, NDF, metalfree

(or any of these other things) is popular with me. I am collecting

post numbers about these. For as often as they are

discussed, I think there is a real lack of information,

so this is my small step.

Also, anyone who posts NEGATIVE results using ALA/DMSA,

ESPECIALLY used in small doses every 3/4 hours is popular

with me, for the same reason. (I collect negative

results.... and don't have very many.)

> I have to admit that in our house, for our son, it's correlated

even more immediately with same-day gains in speech than the TTFD.

Similar for us to gains from the methyl B-12 in seeming to throw a

switch right away. Sudden sentence constructs and vocabulary and

participation that hadn't been there hours before. I have to say

straight away that I haven't done lab testing with it to confirm

what's happening with metals.

never mind about the testing--- it doesn't confirm anything

worth a darn anyway, at least in most cases.

> I fully recognize that Andy says that cilantro and Chlorella are

dangerous, and it was out of respect for him that we hesitated so

long. All I would want to say is that for our son it has coincided

immediately with gains, perhaps by coincidence.

have you also had good experiences with chlorella and/or

cilantro?

good wishes,

Moria