weight

[Guest guest]

Congratulations to all of the losers!

Beth

Well, I didn't lose 5 pounds like Robin did, but I lost 1.5 I started at

203.5 yesterday. Today I am 202.

Kari

[Guest guest]

Congratulations to all of the losers!

Beth

Well, I didn't lose 5 pounds like Robin did, but I lost 1.5 I started at

203.5 yesterday. Today I am 202.

Kari

[Guest guest]

Dear Robin,

I'd rather have your problem trying to gain weight!!!! That would be an

answer to my prayers! LOL

The grass is always greener - over the septic tank! LOL

Karyn

ACM-I, basilar invagination and scoliosis. Transoral odontoid resection

surgery,

decompression and fusion C1-C3 - Dr. Menezes Jan 24, 2002

Wore a HALO for 2 1/2 months, then Miami J collar for 2 months,

now have graduated to soft collar - and I can drive again!!!

[Guest guest]

Okay so before I went to the doctor and weighed in at 214 on mym

other's scale I was at 222. Now on her scale I am at 214 so if that

is showing my true loss then I lost 8 lbs since August 25th. So that

is about 2 1/2 weeks. yeah that averages to be 3.2 each week. That

is a great loss for me. If I can do that, then my next goal is going

to be five lbs in the next two weeks. So by September 29th I want to

be another five lbs lighter which would make me at her scale 209. I

can't wait. I love little goals. lol They're so much easier to

accomplish. Well yesterday I only walked 20 minutes it downpoured, I

was going to walk in the rain as the marathon if it is raining we

will have to, however it was downpouring it would have hurt so I

didn't and I didn't want to get sick so I did 20 minutes of walking

and covered 1.2 miles. I also did jumping jacks, lunges and crunches

while working at the tanning salon and when I had to clean the beds I

did squats and some arm exercises. Did great with eating. I did use

all my points but did not go over so doing great with that. I do

believe I've got healthy habits now yeah. It's only a matter of time

before my weight comes off.

[Guest guest]

> Type 2 means you are insulin resistant, and while you can reduce that

> resistance sometimes, it will always be there. Yes, you can eat very

> VERY carefully and maybe keep your BGs within normal range but you will

> NEVER be able to eat as you did before diabetes without getting a BG

> rise.

There *are* some type 2s who are really just past the prediabetes stage and

still have a lot of beta cells and can reverse the condition at least for a

long time.There was one type 2 on World list who lost 100 pounds and said he

had difficulty getting his BG over 100, even after a large Thanksgiving

dinner. And W lost a lot of weight, took up running, and had normal

BGs.

You are right that the diabetes genes don't go away. So if he regained the

100 pounds and his IR increased, the diabetes would return. If stopped

his exercise, the diabetes would probably return.

However, such large positive changes with weight loss are probably the

exception rather than the rule. But everyone can hope.

BTW, there's also been a lot of progress in research on type 1, so although

a cure isn't right around the corner, it's in the future for sure.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

I wonder how is doing these days. I wish we could get an update

on him.

Sue

> And W lost a lot of weight, took up running, and had normal

> BGs.

[Guest guest]

Exercise, diet and weight loss.............okay I think they work

together for the total health package. Being insulin resistant though

I think the frustration is that it is harder to lose weight. I don't

think drs totally understand that in that my old dr would say lose

weight and diet but then when it didn't happen claimed I was " non

compliant " . Reality he said test fasting and after the largest meal

occasionally. That info did nothing for me. When I discovered

another diabetes group and found out about testing before and after

meals, I also changed to an endo instead of the dr I had, I discovered

the problems. There's nothing more frustrating for someone who is

trying to lose weight to be eating what they think is right and have

nothing happen. At that point one can give up as hopeless. However,

my point is that if you have the right tools and info it might help

out. In my case that is what worked. I found the missing pieces to

help me actually lose weight. Hard telling which worked best but to

me the exercise seemed to get things going in the right direction. I

do know that the exercise changed the insulin resistance so that I

could actually finally lose some weight. Have a long way to go but

armed with knowledge and tools helps.

> I wonder which of the three had the most effect.

>

You are right " restored " was not a right word there. Sorry. Maybe I

should be rereading and rethinking what I am writing or how presented.

If I can find the article regarding beta cells I will post. But I

thought it said there are new beta cells being made all the time.

>

> yep. Not sure if " restored " is the right word, but insulin seems to

give

> the pancreas a bit of a rest and that can help.

>

Believe me, I am not basing anything on wishful thinking. I had given

up before when my dr made it sound as if I was doing it all wrong

until I found a diabetic educator and dr who were both so encouraging

to me. They showed me with proper knowledge and tools I could make a

change. I'm not saying it would work for everyone but if there is a

chance why not take it? If it comes to the point of having tried it

all and then one learns to live with it as is. It may or may not work

for everyone but there are probably Type 2's out there that can still

make significant changes to control their diabetes and complications.

> > What people on a list

> >like this need is HOPE.

>

> based on reality, one would think, and not wishful thinking.

>

>

Why would you assume it HAS TO BE genetics? I already said that

there is no one in my extended family with a history of diabetes. It

is not all about genetics. I don't think there are medical studies to

prove it is all genetics. Maybe Type 1 is but Type 2 is not. They

say that if you have parents with diabetes your kids are more likely

to have it but mainly because of lifestyle and eating habits. If one

has gestational diabetes then it is more likely that the child will

have it.

>

> > Being overweight is exactly how I got in this mess with diabetes.

>

> Really? No genetics in there, eh?

>

>

Too much insulin comes from ingesting too many carbs and sugar as

well. The body is not meant to handle that. I remember when I was a

kid we had soft drinks in tiny little glass bottles. We used our

allowance to buy a soft drink and then walked all day afterwards. Now

there are Big Gulps and no one thinks a 2nd thought of that. Then we

sit after all of that. How does all the insulin get there? We become

insulin resistant if we have too much sugar and carbs in the first

place, more than we work off. We don't exercise as we used to. Of

course more insulin is in the body and that does cause weight gain.

If we know how things work we can do something about it. For years I

had no knowledge about it and was getting nowhere. Also one cannot

feel bad about the past but move on and take what you can to change

it. You are right no one diagnosed my diabetes for years even though

I had symptoms way before that. I could have changed this sooner but

now am not looking back but looking forward.

> no. but being overweight is certainly the result of too much

> insulin...probably all those years of insulin resistance before a

diagnosis.

I didn't say it was just this alone............I did mention I was

using Lantus. I had tried other meds, in fact all of them, to no

avail. Had side affects too bad to continue. First it was getting a

dr and diabetic educator that I could work with and encouraged me and

answered questions. Then it was testing before and after meals which

gave me insight to what I needed to change. I never said I had no

diet changes. I DID change a lot of things. This in turn helped

relieve high spikes after meals which in turn helped me to lose

weight. Then I added exercise which improved it even more. But,

Lantus lowered the overall picture so I had something to work with.

Until one is able to lower the insulin resistance the weight does not

come off. I wasn't saying it was just losing weight.........gee

that's what most drs say without telling people how to do that. There

is a lot more knowledge diabetics could be getting from their drs and

are not. I sometimes think some drs just want guaranteed income or

that they have been told most people won't do what they say anyway.

Trust your own body and instincts about things. I realize there are

many with different circumstances to whom maybe none of this applies,

but to those who are still wondering what they could be doing I hope

this helps. For me the " missing link " in my health care was the " how

to " or " knowledge " to actually make a difference. Many of you already

know what your situation requires, some don't.

>

> I'm glad that just losing weight, with no diet changes or meds, has

lowered

> your BG's.

>

> sky

>

[Guest guest]

Exercise, diet and weight loss.............okay I think they work

together for the total health package. Being insulin resistant though

I think the frustration is that it is harder to lose weight. I don't

think drs totally understand that in that my old dr would say lose

weight and diet but then when it didn't happen claimed I was " non

compliant " . Reality he said test fasting and after the largest meal

occasionally. That info did nothing for me. When I discovered

another diabetes group and found out about testing before and after

meals, I also changed to an endo instead of the dr I had, I discovered

the problems. There's nothing more frustrating for someone who is

trying to lose weight to be eating what they think is right and have

nothing happen. At that point one can give up as hopeless. However,

my point is that if you have the right tools and info it might help

out. In my case that is what worked. I found the missing pieces to

help me actually lose weight. Hard telling which worked best but to

me the exercise seemed to get things going in the right direction. I

do know that the exercise changed the insulin resistance so that I

could actually finally lose some weight. Have a long way to go but

armed with knowledge and tools helps.

> I wonder which of the three had the most effect.

>

You are right " restored " was not a right word there. Sorry. Maybe I

should be rereading and rethinking what I am writing or how presented.

If I can find the article regarding beta cells I will post. But I

thought it said there are new beta cells being made all the time.

>

> yep. Not sure if " restored " is the right word, but insulin seems to

give

> the pancreas a bit of a rest and that can help.

>

Believe me, I am not basing anything on wishful thinking. I had given

up before when my dr made it sound as if I was doing it all wrong

until I found a diabetic educator and dr who were both so encouraging

to me. They showed me with proper knowledge and tools I could make a

change. I'm not saying it would work for everyone but if there is a

chance why not take it? If it comes to the point of having tried it

all and then one learns to live with it as is. It may or may not work

for everyone but there are probably Type 2's out there that can still

make significant changes to control their diabetes and complications.

> > What people on a list

> >like this need is HOPE.

>

> based on reality, one would think, and not wishful thinking.

>

>

Why would you assume it HAS TO BE genetics? I already said that

there is no one in my extended family with a history of diabetes. It

is not all about genetics. I don't think there are medical studies to

prove it is all genetics. Maybe Type 1 is but Type 2 is not. They

say that if you have parents with diabetes your kids are more likely

to have it but mainly because of lifestyle and eating habits. If one

has gestational diabetes then it is more likely that the child will

have it.

>

> > Being overweight is exactly how I got in this mess with diabetes.

>

> Really? No genetics in there, eh?

>

>

Too much insulin comes from ingesting too many carbs and sugar as

well. The body is not meant to handle that. I remember when I was a

kid we had soft drinks in tiny little glass bottles. We used our

allowance to buy a soft drink and then walked all day afterwards. Now

there are Big Gulps and no one thinks a 2nd thought of that. Then we

sit after all of that. How does all the insulin get there? We become

insulin resistant if we have too much sugar and carbs in the first

place, more than we work off. We don't exercise as we used to. Of

course more insulin is in the body and that does cause weight gain.

If we know how things work we can do something about it. For years I

had no knowledge about it and was getting nowhere. Also one cannot

feel bad about the past but move on and take what you can to change

it. You are right no one diagnosed my diabetes for years even though

I had symptoms way before that. I could have changed this sooner but

now am not looking back but looking forward.

> no. but being overweight is certainly the result of too much

> insulin...probably all those years of insulin resistance before a

diagnosis.

I didn't say it was just this alone............I did mention I was

using Lantus. I had tried other meds, in fact all of them, to no

avail. Had side affects too bad to continue. First it was getting a

dr and diabetic educator that I could work with and encouraged me and

answered questions. Then it was testing before and after meals which

gave me insight to what I needed to change. I never said I had no

diet changes. I DID change a lot of things. This in turn helped

relieve high spikes after meals which in turn helped me to lose

weight. Then I added exercise which improved it even more. But,

Lantus lowered the overall picture so I had something to work with.

Until one is able to lower the insulin resistance the weight does not

come off. I wasn't saying it was just losing weight.........gee

that's what most drs say without telling people how to do that. There

is a lot more knowledge diabetics could be getting from their drs and

are not. I sometimes think some drs just want guaranteed income or

that they have been told most people won't do what they say anyway.

Trust your own body and instincts about things. I realize there are

many with different circumstances to whom maybe none of this applies,

but to those who are still wondering what they could be doing I hope

this helps. For me the " missing link " in my health care was the " how

to " or " knowledge " to actually make a difference. Many of you already

know what your situation requires, some don't.

>

> I'm glad that just losing weight, with no diet changes or meds, has

lowered

> your BG's.

>

> sky

>

[Guest guest]

Exercise, diet and weight loss.............okay I think they work

together for the total health package. Being insulin resistant though

I think the frustration is that it is harder to lose weight. I don't

think drs totally understand that in that my old dr would say lose

weight and diet but then when it didn't happen claimed I was " non

compliant " . Reality he said test fasting and after the largest meal

occasionally. That info did nothing for me. When I discovered

another diabetes group and found out about testing before and after

meals, I also changed to an endo instead of the dr I had, I discovered

the problems. There's nothing more frustrating for someone who is

trying to lose weight to be eating what they think is right and have

nothing happen. At that point one can give up as hopeless. However,

my point is that if you have the right tools and info it might help

out. In my case that is what worked. I found the missing pieces to

help me actually lose weight. Hard telling which worked best but to

me the exercise seemed to get things going in the right direction. I

do know that the exercise changed the insulin resistance so that I

could actually finally lose some weight. Have a long way to go but

armed with knowledge and tools helps.

> I wonder which of the three had the most effect.

>

You are right " restored " was not a right word there. Sorry. Maybe I

should be rereading and rethinking what I am writing or how presented.

If I can find the article regarding beta cells I will post. But I

thought it said there are new beta cells being made all the time.

>

> yep. Not sure if " restored " is the right word, but insulin seems to

give

> the pancreas a bit of a rest and that can help.

>

Believe me, I am not basing anything on wishful thinking. I had given

up before when my dr made it sound as if I was doing it all wrong

until I found a diabetic educator and dr who were both so encouraging

to me. They showed me with proper knowledge and tools I could make a

change. I'm not saying it would work for everyone but if there is a

chance why not take it? If it comes to the point of having tried it

all and then one learns to live with it as is. It may or may not work

for everyone but there are probably Type 2's out there that can still

make significant changes to control their diabetes and complications.

> > What people on a list

> >like this need is HOPE.

>

> based on reality, one would think, and not wishful thinking.

>

>

Why would you assume it HAS TO BE genetics? I already said that

there is no one in my extended family with a history of diabetes. It

is not all about genetics. I don't think there are medical studies to

prove it is all genetics. Maybe Type 1 is but Type 2 is not. They

say that if you have parents with diabetes your kids are more likely

to have it but mainly because of lifestyle and eating habits. If one

has gestational diabetes then it is more likely that the child will

have it.

>

> > Being overweight is exactly how I got in this mess with diabetes.

>

> Really? No genetics in there, eh?

>

>

Too much insulin comes from ingesting too many carbs and sugar as

well. The body is not meant to handle that. I remember when I was a

kid we had soft drinks in tiny little glass bottles. We used our

allowance to buy a soft drink and then walked all day afterwards. Now

there are Big Gulps and no one thinks a 2nd thought of that. Then we

sit after all of that. How does all the insulin get there? We become

insulin resistant if we have too much sugar and carbs in the first

place, more than we work off. We don't exercise as we used to. Of

course more insulin is in the body and that does cause weight gain.

If we know how things work we can do something about it. For years I

had no knowledge about it and was getting nowhere. Also one cannot

feel bad about the past but move on and take what you can to change

it. You are right no one diagnosed my diabetes for years even though

I had symptoms way before that. I could have changed this sooner but

now am not looking back but looking forward.

> no. but being overweight is certainly the result of too much

> insulin...probably all those years of insulin resistance before a

diagnosis.

I didn't say it was just this alone............I did mention I was

using Lantus. I had tried other meds, in fact all of them, to no

avail. Had side affects too bad to continue. First it was getting a

dr and diabetic educator that I could work with and encouraged me and

answered questions. Then it was testing before and after meals which

gave me insight to what I needed to change. I never said I had no

diet changes. I DID change a lot of things. This in turn helped

relieve high spikes after meals which in turn helped me to lose

weight. Then I added exercise which improved it even more. But,

Lantus lowered the overall picture so I had something to work with.

Until one is able to lower the insulin resistance the weight does not

come off. I wasn't saying it was just losing weight.........gee

that's what most drs say without telling people how to do that. There

is a lot more knowledge diabetics could be getting from their drs and

are not. I sometimes think some drs just want guaranteed income or

that they have been told most people won't do what they say anyway.

Trust your own body and instincts about things. I realize there are

many with different circumstances to whom maybe none of this applies,

but to those who are still wondering what they could be doing I hope

this helps. For me the " missing link " in my health care was the " how

to " or " knowledge " to actually make a difference. Many of you already

know what your situation requires, some don't.

>

> I'm glad that just losing weight, with no diet changes or meds, has

lowered

> your BG's.

>

> sky

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that clarification, .

I'm appalled at the number of doctors there are who don't understand how

to manage diabetes. It's good that you realized that and got another

doctor.

I think one of OUR problems -- and not just here in the U.S. -- is that

we tend to assume docs know how to fix our bodies and therefore take

everything they say as gospel. From my years on the lists and my work as

a medical transcriptionist, I now know this just isn't so.

Especially with diabetes, it's absolutely critical for good control to

be in charge and be an active participant. After all, it's OUR bodies

that will reap the " benefits " of poor control, not the doctors'.

Vicki

Re: Weight

>

>>

>

>> If this is to imply that diabetes disappears if your beta cells get a

>> rest and " work normally, " you must realize that once you have

>> diabetes,

>> alas, diabetes is forever.

>

>

> Yes, I do realize that it is always there. I wasn't saying that. I

> probably should have explained more. Work normally was not the best

> choice, perhaps work better should be it. Your " symptoms " of

> diabetes can go away but if you go back to the same overeating or

> eating the wrong foods for you, then you will get insulin resistant

> again and therefore gain weight again which will then begin the cycle

> again. The key is the get to a point where one can " control " the

> diabetes. One cannot just lose weight and after than run out and eat

> everything they want and expect it to be " normal " . Poor choice of

> words I admit. My focus at the time I wrote it was give some hope to

> people.

>

> I have had diabetes since 1997. I did fine with diet and exercise and

> lost 30 pounds. No problems. Then I gained it all back and ate all

> the wrong things, stress and didn't see a way out. The dr I had at

> that time then said lose weight and diet. But you see it did not help

> and he didn't believe I was actually doing it. Stress if one factor

> that if one cannot get changed in their lives will be a constant

> source of problems. The problem I had was this dr said test once a

> day and one after the biggest meal. Well, I ate what I should but go

> no where. His reaction? to not believe me. In fact he wouldn't even

> read my numbers on the meter. He did an A1C every 3 mos, lectured and

> complained and said JUST DO IT. He did not understand diabetes and

> shouldn't have been trying manage a diabetic patient when he wasn't

> willing to listen or help. He had not even read books about it and

> therefore didn't know what I was talking about. At one time I told

> him about how whenever I drank diet drinks they made my blood sugar go

> up. He didn't believe it or said he never heard of it. Next visit

> others were complaining of the same thing. Then I took the article

> and he finally said don't drink it. When I saw that he was not

> current with updated info on diabetes I found an endocrinologist. I

> read and researched a lot on my own. I determined I would take charge

> not let the dr dictate it all. When I began testing before and after

> meals I gained a lot of knowledge which actually then was able to put

> in use. It wasn't a matter of not eating healthy foods or overeating

> at that time as most people including extended family thought (and of

> course they let you know about it) but it was the stress factor which

> produces cortisol which in turn is complicating it all, plus the fact

> that foods like oatmeal or cereals for breakfast made my blood sugar

> go up by 100 points. Since I considered breakfast the smallest meal I

> never saw this higher number because remember the original dr said

> test after your biggest meal. When I had the info from all my

> readings all day I could then discover patterns and eliminate these

> foods that causes spikes. The constant high spikes are what will

> cause damage in the long run. I do know that even if I reach my goal

> weight and can manage without meds I will forever have to exercise and

> watch what I eat, in other words count carbs.

>

>

>>

>> You can take insulin and give your beta cells a rest but they'll

>> never

>> again work like they did before you became diabetic.

>>

>

>

>

> The insulin resistance can be changed by increased exercise. There

> are many articles on the Diabetes Newsletter website which state

> exercise acts like insulin. You will always have the tendency to

> revert to return to it not working correctly, but you can change it

> enough or maybe I should say manage it so that you can avoid problems

> or complications. Yes, I do know that one cannot eat whatever they

> want but why should that stop one from losing weight and gainer a

> healthier body if they can. I am not fooling myself if that's what

> you think nor want others to have false hope. But as I said with some

> drs they may not be giving all the help they could so that one could

> properly maintain or manage their diabetes. There are things that can

> be done and exercise is certainly one way to improve or change insulin

> resistance. I have a diabetes educator who believes it can be done as

> she has seen it many times. My goal is not to return to the same

> eating patterns but to get healthier and stay at a point where I can

> successfully keep my numbers as close to normal as possible. If one

> is constantly looking to eat as they always did this is not going to

> work. The goal should be trying to avoid complications.

>

>

>> Type 2 means you are insulin resistant, and while you can reduce that

>> resistance sometimes, it will always be there. Yes, you can eat very

>> VERY carefully and maybe keep your BGs within normal range but you

>> will

>> NEVER be able to eat as you did before diabetes without getting a BG

>> rise.

>>

>> If you have any literature that says the opposite, I'd be interested

>> in

>> reading it.

>> Vicki, hating to be a party pooper...

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that clarification, .

I'm appalled at the number of doctors there are who don't understand how

to manage diabetes. It's good that you realized that and got another

doctor.

I think one of OUR problems -- and not just here in the U.S. -- is that

we tend to assume docs know how to fix our bodies and therefore take

everything they say as gospel. From my years on the lists and my work as

a medical transcriptionist, I now know this just isn't so.

Especially with diabetes, it's absolutely critical for good control to

be in charge and be an active participant. After all, it's OUR bodies

that will reap the " benefits " of poor control, not the doctors'.

Vicki

Re: Weight

>

>>

>

>> If this is to imply that diabetes disappears if your beta cells get a

>> rest and " work normally, " you must realize that once you have

>> diabetes,

>> alas, diabetes is forever.

>

>

> Yes, I do realize that it is always there. I wasn't saying that. I

> probably should have explained more. Work normally was not the best

> choice, perhaps work better should be it. Your " symptoms " of

> diabetes can go away but if you go back to the same overeating or

> eating the wrong foods for you, then you will get insulin resistant

> again and therefore gain weight again which will then begin the cycle

> again. The key is the get to a point where one can " control " the

> diabetes. One cannot just lose weight and after than run out and eat

> everything they want and expect it to be " normal " . Poor choice of

> words I admit. My focus at the time I wrote it was give some hope to

> people.

>

> I have had diabetes since 1997. I did fine with diet and exercise and

> lost 30 pounds. No problems. Then I gained it all back and ate all

> the wrong things, stress and didn't see a way out. The dr I had at

> that time then said lose weight and diet. But you see it did not help

> and he didn't believe I was actually doing it. Stress if one factor

> that if one cannot get changed in their lives will be a constant

> source of problems. The problem I had was this dr said test once a

> day and one after the biggest meal. Well, I ate what I should but go

> no where. His reaction? to not believe me. In fact he wouldn't even

> read my numbers on the meter. He did an A1C every 3 mos, lectured and

> complained and said JUST DO IT. He did not understand diabetes and

> shouldn't have been trying manage a diabetic patient when he wasn't

> willing to listen or help. He had not even read books about it and

> therefore didn't know what I was talking about. At one time I told

> him about how whenever I drank diet drinks they made my blood sugar go

> up. He didn't believe it or said he never heard of it. Next visit

> others were complaining of the same thing. Then I took the article

> and he finally said don't drink it. When I saw that he was not

> current with updated info on diabetes I found an endocrinologist. I

> read and researched a lot on my own. I determined I would take charge

> not let the dr dictate it all. When I began testing before and after

> meals I gained a lot of knowledge which actually then was able to put

> in use. It wasn't a matter of not eating healthy foods or overeating

> at that time as most people including extended family thought (and of

> course they let you know about it) but it was the stress factor which

> produces cortisol which in turn is complicating it all, plus the fact

> that foods like oatmeal or cereals for breakfast made my blood sugar

> go up by 100 points. Since I considered breakfast the smallest meal I

> never saw this higher number because remember the original dr said

> test after your biggest meal. When I had the info from all my

> readings all day I could then discover patterns and eliminate these

> foods that causes spikes. The constant high spikes are what will

> cause damage in the long run. I do know that even if I reach my goal

> weight and can manage without meds I will forever have to exercise and

> watch what I eat, in other words count carbs.

>

>

>>

>> You can take insulin and give your beta cells a rest but they'll

>> never

>> again work like they did before you became diabetic.

>>

>

>

>

> The insulin resistance can be changed by increased exercise. There

> are many articles on the Diabetes Newsletter website which state

> exercise acts like insulin. You will always have the tendency to

> revert to return to it not working correctly, but you can change it

> enough or maybe I should say manage it so that you can avoid problems

> or complications. Yes, I do know that one cannot eat whatever they

> want but why should that stop one from losing weight and gainer a

> healthier body if they can. I am not fooling myself if that's what

> you think nor want others to have false hope. But as I said with some

> drs they may not be giving all the help they could so that one could

> properly maintain or manage their diabetes. There are things that can

> be done and exercise is certainly one way to improve or change insulin

> resistance. I have a diabetes educator who believes it can be done as

> she has seen it many times. My goal is not to return to the same

> eating patterns but to get healthier and stay at a point where I can

> successfully keep my numbers as close to normal as possible. If one

> is constantly looking to eat as they always did this is not going to

> work. The goal should be trying to avoid complications.

>

>

>> Type 2 means you are insulin resistant, and while you can reduce that

>> resistance sometimes, it will always be there. Yes, you can eat very

>> VERY carefully and maybe keep your BGs within normal range but you

>> will

>> NEVER be able to eat as you did before diabetes without getting a BG

>> rise.

>>

>> If you have any literature that says the opposite, I'd be interested

>> in

>> reading it.

>> Vicki, hating to be a party pooper...

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that clarification, .

I'm appalled at the number of doctors there are who don't understand how

to manage diabetes. It's good that you realized that and got another

doctor.

I think one of OUR problems -- and not just here in the U.S. -- is that

we tend to assume docs know how to fix our bodies and therefore take

everything they say as gospel. From my years on the lists and my work as

a medical transcriptionist, I now know this just isn't so.

Especially with diabetes, it's absolutely critical for good control to

be in charge and be an active participant. After all, it's OUR bodies

that will reap the " benefits " of poor control, not the doctors'.

Vicki

Re: Weight

>

>>

>

>> If this is to imply that diabetes disappears if your beta cells get a

>> rest and " work normally, " you must realize that once you have

>> diabetes,

>> alas, diabetes is forever.

>

>

> Yes, I do realize that it is always there. I wasn't saying that. I

> probably should have explained more. Work normally was not the best

> choice, perhaps work better should be it. Your " symptoms " of

> diabetes can go away but if you go back to the same overeating or

> eating the wrong foods for you, then you will get insulin resistant

> again and therefore gain weight again which will then begin the cycle

> again. The key is the get to a point where one can " control " the

> diabetes. One cannot just lose weight and after than run out and eat

> everything they want and expect it to be " normal " . Poor choice of

> words I admit. My focus at the time I wrote it was give some hope to

> people.

>

> I have had diabetes since 1997. I did fine with diet and exercise and

> lost 30 pounds. No problems. Then I gained it all back and ate all

> the wrong things, stress and didn't see a way out. The dr I had at

> that time then said lose weight and diet. But you see it did not help

> and he didn't believe I was actually doing it. Stress if one factor

> that if one cannot get changed in their lives will be a constant

> source of problems. The problem I had was this dr said test once a

> day and one after the biggest meal. Well, I ate what I should but go

> no where. His reaction? to not believe me. In fact he wouldn't even

> read my numbers on the meter. He did an A1C every 3 mos, lectured and

> complained and said JUST DO IT. He did not understand diabetes and

> shouldn't have been trying manage a diabetic patient when he wasn't

> willing to listen or help. He had not even read books about it and

> therefore didn't know what I was talking about. At one time I told

> him about how whenever I drank diet drinks they made my blood sugar go

> up. He didn't believe it or said he never heard of it. Next visit

> others were complaining of the same thing. Then I took the article

> and he finally said don't drink it. When I saw that he was not

> current with updated info on diabetes I found an endocrinologist. I

> read and researched a lot on my own. I determined I would take charge

> not let the dr dictate it all. When I began testing before and after

> meals I gained a lot of knowledge which actually then was able to put

> in use. It wasn't a matter of not eating healthy foods or overeating

> at that time as most people including extended family thought (and of

> course they let you know about it) but it was the stress factor which

> produces cortisol which in turn is complicating it all, plus the fact

> that foods like oatmeal or cereals for breakfast made my blood sugar

> go up by 100 points. Since I considered breakfast the smallest meal I

> never saw this higher number because remember the original dr said

> test after your biggest meal. When I had the info from all my

> readings all day I could then discover patterns and eliminate these

> foods that causes spikes. The constant high spikes are what will

> cause damage in the long run. I do know that even if I reach my goal

> weight and can manage without meds I will forever have to exercise and

> watch what I eat, in other words count carbs.

>

>

>>

>> You can take insulin and give your beta cells a rest but they'll

>> never

>> again work like they did before you became diabetic.

>>

>

>

>

> The insulin resistance can be changed by increased exercise. There

> are many articles on the Diabetes Newsletter website which state

> exercise acts like insulin. You will always have the tendency to

> revert to return to it not working correctly, but you can change it

> enough or maybe I should say manage it so that you can avoid problems

> or complications. Yes, I do know that one cannot eat whatever they

> want but why should that stop one from losing weight and gainer a

> healthier body if they can. I am not fooling myself if that's what

> you think nor want others to have false hope. But as I said with some

> drs they may not be giving all the help they could so that one could

> properly maintain or manage their diabetes. There are things that can

> be done and exercise is certainly one way to improve or change insulin

> resistance. I have a diabetes educator who believes it can be done as

> she has seen it many times. My goal is not to return to the same

> eating patterns but to get healthier and stay at a point where I can

> successfully keep my numbers as close to normal as possible. If one

> is constantly looking to eat as they always did this is not going to

> work. The goal should be trying to avoid complications.

>

>

>> Type 2 means you are insulin resistant, and while you can reduce that

>> resistance sometimes, it will always be there. Yes, you can eat very

>> VERY carefully and maybe keep your BGs within normal range but you

>> will

>> NEVER be able to eat as you did before diabetes without getting a BG

>> rise.

>>

>> If you have any literature that says the opposite, I'd be interested

>> in

>> reading it.

>> Vicki, hating to be a party pooper...

[Guest guest]

I have been told that 1200 to 1400 calories a day WITH 5x a week cardo of 30 to 45 minutes is needed for weight loss for women, along with low glycemic carbs.

I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing.

Sue

[Guest guest]

I have been told that 1200 to 1400 calories a day WITH 5x a week cardo of 30 to 45 minutes is needed for weight loss for women, along with low glycemic carbs.

I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing.

Sue

[Guest guest]

I have been told that 1200 to 1400 calories a day WITH 5x a week cardo of 30 to 45 minutes is needed for weight loss for women, along with low glycemic carbs.

I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing.

Sue

[Guest guest]

See, this is what I'm trying to say. Did you try the calculator?

I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing.

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[Guest guest]

See, this is what I'm trying to say. Did you try the calculator?

I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing.

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[Guest guest]

See, this is what I'm trying to say. Did you try the calculator?

I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing.

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Judy P wrote: See, this is what I'm trying to say. Did you try the calculator? I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor

exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing. . __,_._,_Sue__ Sue: WOW...you are really working hard at that! Do you have any other symptoms which could be chalked up to hypothyroidism? How is the selenium settling with you? ~E:) TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

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Judy P wrote: See, this is what I'm trying to say. Did you try the calculator? I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor

exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing. . __,_._,_Sue__ Sue: WOW...you are really working hard at that! Do you have any other symptoms which could be chalked up to hypothyroidism? How is the selenium settling with you? ~E:) TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

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[Guest guest]

Judy P wrote: See, this is what I'm trying to say. Did you try the calculator? I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor

exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing. . __,_._,_Sue__ Sue: WOW...you are really working hard at that! Do you have any other symptoms which could be chalked up to hypothyroidism? How is the selenium settling with you? ~E:) TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

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[Guest guest]

I have seen those calculators, and I know from the past 30 years of my adult life, I gain as soon as I go over 1500 and don’t usually lose til I go under 1000 which I am not willing to do!

sue

See, this is what I'm trying to say. Did you try the calculator?

I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing.

[Guest guest]

I have seen those calculators, and I know from the past 30 years of my adult life, I gain as soon as I go over 1500 and don’t usually lose til I go under 1000 which I am not willing to do!

sue

See, this is what I'm trying to say. Did you try the calculator?

I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing.

[Guest guest]

PLUS — I have the stinking high cholesterol that runs in my family so I can’t do the no carbs, all the fat you can eat diets.

I went for bloodwork today for a lipid panel – and asked for a T3F, T3F and TSH to see how I am doing on my lowered thryoid med dose since June..my TSH was .001, my T3F was 412 on range of 230 to 420 and my T3f was only 1.9 on range of 1.8 to 2.5....!

I was on .100 mcg Levoxyl and .25 mcg of Cytomel and got wicked diarreaha as well and so I went to .88 mcg levoxyl and .15 mcg of T3 except on weekends... The numbers should be in by Monday...i am curious to see what happens,

Sue

See, this is what I'm trying to say. Did you try the calculator?

I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing.

[Guest guest]

PLUS — I have the stinking high cholesterol that runs in my family so I can’t do the no carbs, all the fat you can eat diets.

I went for bloodwork today for a lipid panel – and asked for a T3F, T3F and TSH to see how I am doing on my lowered thryoid med dose since June..my TSH was .001, my T3F was 412 on range of 230 to 420 and my T3f was only 1.9 on range of 1.8 to 2.5....!

I was on .100 mcg Levoxyl and .25 mcg of Cytomel and got wicked diarreaha as well and so I went to .88 mcg levoxyl and .15 mcg of T3 except on weekends... The numbers should be in by Monday...i am curious to see what happens,

Sue

See, this is what I'm trying to say. Did you try the calculator?

I eat about 1300 calories a day, mainly turkye, low fat cheese, fish, fresh fruit and veggies, v8, tons of salad which I love with balsamic vinegar and garlic, etc... I do 30 minutes of cardi 3x a week and hand weights and floor exercises 3 x a week and I haven’t lost an ounce in two months... This is getting more than annyoing.