Re: *Re: Heart flutters returned!!!

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> Do you mean tachycardia, where your heart races super fast (like 180)

while

> pounding real hard and it goes on for some time? I have had tachycardia A

> SUPER WHOLE LOT ...getting it much less lately. I thought it was all form

> mercury toxicity. Do you think severe tachycardia can also be from HYPO

> thyroid and/or HYPO adrenal?

Ingrid----

HYPERthyroidism is the one with the fast pulse. Hypo people can't get their

pulse up where it belongs, around 70-72 or so BPM. The heart can flutter,

pound, and gyrate around, but still have a slow pulse. In fact, with hypo,

I'd say that a too slow rhythm is what causes that because the heart simply

can't pump fast enough to get rid of the incoming and outgoing blood

properly. The valves are moving too slow to shuttle it through properly, so

it skips, jumps, and anything else it can do to try to get back into rhythm,

etc.....

> WHen the phone wakes me up in the morning my heart races and pounds for a

> few minutes....that I understand IS hypoadrenal...

This one sounds like you're having too much cortisol output at the wrong

time, OR the opposite (confusing, isn't it??), not enough at the right time.

Yes, either hypoadrenal or hyperadrenal, I'd say hypoadrenal.

>but what about the tachycardia in the middle of the night during the body's

detox cycle?

Sounds to me like adrenaline at the wrong time. This happened to me for the

first time, when I was on the Nutra-Meds Bovine Adrenal. I thought my chest

was going to explode and I was going to have a heart attack. I had been

taking it for about a week (again!), and this is exactly what made me stop

it. The whole adrenal has the whole cortex in it, which means you're

getting all the substances that it makes, including adrenaline. I didn't

need that, I probably need the cortisol, but not that. Learned my lesson

about testing for this! Someday!

[Guest guest]

> Do you mean tachycardia, where your heart races super fast (like 180)

while

> pounding real hard and it goes on for some time? I have had tachycardia A

> SUPER WHOLE LOT ...getting it much less lately. I thought it was all form

> mercury toxicity. Do you think severe tachycardia can also be from HYPO

> thyroid and/or HYPO adrenal?

Ingrid----

HYPERthyroidism is the one with the fast pulse. Hypo people can't get their

pulse up where it belongs, around 70-72 or so BPM. The heart can flutter,

pound, and gyrate around, but still have a slow pulse. In fact, with hypo,

I'd say that a too slow rhythm is what causes that because the heart simply

can't pump fast enough to get rid of the incoming and outgoing blood

properly. The valves are moving too slow to shuttle it through properly, so

it skips, jumps, and anything else it can do to try to get back into rhythm,

etc.....

> WHen the phone wakes me up in the morning my heart races and pounds for a

> few minutes....that I understand IS hypoadrenal...

This one sounds like you're having too much cortisol output at the wrong

time, OR the opposite (confusing, isn't it??), not enough at the right time.

Yes, either hypoadrenal or hyperadrenal, I'd say hypoadrenal.

>but what about the tachycardia in the middle of the night during the body's

detox cycle?

Sounds to me like adrenaline at the wrong time. This happened to me for the

first time, when I was on the Nutra-Meds Bovine Adrenal. I thought my chest

was going to explode and I was going to have a heart attack. I had been

taking it for about a week (again!), and this is exactly what made me stop

it. The whole adrenal has the whole cortex in it, which means you're

getting all the substances that it makes, including adrenaline. I didn't

need that, I probably need the cortisol, but not that. Learned my lesson

about testing for this! Someday!

[Guest guest]

I have many of the hypo symptoms: fatigue, aches, weight gain, itchy, hair

thinning, weak nails, brain fog, low temp, etc but my pulse is always in the 80s

and BP is normal. Does that mean thyroid is not my problem?

Kate

Re: *Re: Heart flutters returned!!!

HYPERthyroidism is the one with the fast pulse. Hypo people can't get their

pulse up where it belongs, around 70-72 or so BPM. The heart can flutter,

pound, and gyrate around, but still have a slow pulse. In fact, with hypo,

I'd say that a too slow rhythm is what causes that because the heart simply

can't pump fast enough to get rid of the incoming and outgoing blood

properly. The valves are moving too slow to shuttle it through properly, so

it skips, jumps, and anything else it can do to try to get back into rhythm,

etc.....

>...

[Guest guest]

on 12/6/04 6:59 AM, at marin@... wrote:

>

>> Do you mean tachycardia, where your heart races super fast (like 180)

> while

>> pounding real hard and it goes on for some time? I have had tachycardia A

>> SUPER WHOLE LOT ...getting it much less lately. I thought it was all form

>> mercury toxicity. Do you think severe tachycardia can also be from HYPO

>> thyroid and/or HYPO adrenal?

>

> Ingrid----

>

> HYPERthyroidism is the one with the fast pulse. Hypo people can't get their

> pulse up where it belongs, around 70-72 or so BPM. The heart can flutter,

> pound, and gyrate around, but still have a slow pulse. In fact, with hypo,

> I'd say that a too slow rhythm is what causes that because the heart simply

> can't pump fast enough to get rid of the incoming and outgoing blood

> properly. The valves are moving too slow to shuttle it through properly, so

> it skips, jumps, and anything else it can do to try to get back into rhythm,

> etc.....

Yeah, I have never had the slow pulse that I know of, but am still

definitley HYPO. My situation is all mixed up and confusing at times because

I am very mercury toxic.

>

>> WHen the phone wakes me up in the morning my heart races and pounds for a

>> few minutes....that I understand IS hypoadrenal...

>

> This one sounds like you're having too much cortisol output at the wrong

> time, OR the opposite (confusing, isn't it??), not enough at the right time.

> Yes, either hypoadrenal or hyperadrenal, I'd say hypoadrenal.

AH, so hypoadrenal, but certain things make what ammou Ihave in me go

bonkers then?

>

>> but what about the tachycardia in the middle of the night during the body's

> detox cycle?

>

> Sounds to me like adrenaline at the wrong time. This happened to me for the

> first time, when I was on the Nutra-Meds Bovine Adrenal. I thought my chest

> was going to explode and I was going to have a heart attack. I had been

> taking it for about a week (again!), and this is exactly what made me stop

> it. The whole adrenal has the whole cortex in it, which means you're

> getting all the substances that it makes, including adrenaline. I didn't

> need that, I probably need the cortisol, but not that. Learned my lesson

> about testing for this! Someday!

Yeah, I am going to get cortisol but nothing like ISOCORT or anything that

has more adrenaline in it.

Moat of my horrific attacks comcined with tachycardia have stopped since I

have been chelating to remove the mercury and heacy metals form my body. It

is the toxicity that messes things up so bad. But, I am always comparing

notes and questioning, becasue I certainly don't have all the answers.

I also get a fast heart beat from eating many foods, but this is a typical

allergic reaction. Also, if I try and change the sheets or do anything much

exertion wise, my heart pounds real fast before I know it.

I think it is wierd that I have never had a slow heart rate, but then I am

never cold either like most everybody here talks about....but severely heat

intollerant. THe normal heart rate is why I am bot going up again for awhile

on my thyroid, although I have a feeling I will need to take quite a bit

more.

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

Still trying to figure thing out,

~Inga

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on 12/6/04 6:59 AM, at marin@... wrote:

>

>> Do you mean tachycardia, where your heart races super fast (like 180)

> while

>> pounding real hard and it goes on for some time? I have had tachycardia A

>> SUPER WHOLE LOT ...getting it much less lately. I thought it was all form

>> mercury toxicity. Do you think severe tachycardia can also be from HYPO

>> thyroid and/or HYPO adrenal?

>

> Ingrid----

>

> HYPERthyroidism is the one with the fast pulse. Hypo people can't get their

> pulse up where it belongs, around 70-72 or so BPM. The heart can flutter,

> pound, and gyrate around, but still have a slow pulse. In fact, with hypo,

> I'd say that a too slow rhythm is what causes that because the heart simply

> can't pump fast enough to get rid of the incoming and outgoing blood

> properly. The valves are moving too slow to shuttle it through properly, so

> it skips, jumps, and anything else it can do to try to get back into rhythm,

> etc.....

Yeah, I have never had the slow pulse that I know of, but am still

definitley HYPO. My situation is all mixed up and confusing at times because

I am very mercury toxic.

>

>> WHen the phone wakes me up in the morning my heart races and pounds for a

>> few minutes....that I understand IS hypoadrenal...

>

> This one sounds like you're having too much cortisol output at the wrong

> time, OR the opposite (confusing, isn't it??), not enough at the right time.

> Yes, either hypoadrenal or hyperadrenal, I'd say hypoadrenal.

AH, so hypoadrenal, but certain things make what ammou Ihave in me go

bonkers then?

>

>> but what about the tachycardia in the middle of the night during the body's

> detox cycle?

>

> Sounds to me like adrenaline at the wrong time. This happened to me for the

> first time, when I was on the Nutra-Meds Bovine Adrenal. I thought my chest

> was going to explode and I was going to have a heart attack. I had been

> taking it for about a week (again!), and this is exactly what made me stop

> it. The whole adrenal has the whole cortex in it, which means you're

> getting all the substances that it makes, including adrenaline. I didn't

> need that, I probably need the cortisol, but not that. Learned my lesson

> about testing for this! Someday!

Yeah, I am going to get cortisol but nothing like ISOCORT or anything that

has more adrenaline in it.

Moat of my horrific attacks comcined with tachycardia have stopped since I

have been chelating to remove the mercury and heacy metals form my body. It

is the toxicity that messes things up so bad. But, I am always comparing

notes and questioning, becasue I certainly don't have all the answers.

I also get a fast heart beat from eating many foods, but this is a typical

allergic reaction. Also, if I try and change the sheets or do anything much

exertion wise, my heart pounds real fast before I know it.

I think it is wierd that I have never had a slow heart rate, but then I am

never cold either like most everybody here talks about....but severely heat

intollerant. THe normal heart rate is why I am bot going up again for awhile

on my thyroid, although I have a feeling I will need to take quite a bit

more.

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

Still trying to figure thing out,

~Inga

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[Guest guest]

on 12/6/04 6:59 AM, at marin@... wrote:

>

>> Do you mean tachycardia, where your heart races super fast (like 180)

> while

>> pounding real hard and it goes on for some time? I have had tachycardia A

>> SUPER WHOLE LOT ...getting it much less lately. I thought it was all form

>> mercury toxicity. Do you think severe tachycardia can also be from HYPO

>> thyroid and/or HYPO adrenal?

>

> Ingrid----

>

> HYPERthyroidism is the one with the fast pulse. Hypo people can't get their

> pulse up where it belongs, around 70-72 or so BPM. The heart can flutter,

> pound, and gyrate around, but still have a slow pulse. In fact, with hypo,

> I'd say that a too slow rhythm is what causes that because the heart simply

> can't pump fast enough to get rid of the incoming and outgoing blood

> properly. The valves are moving too slow to shuttle it through properly, so

> it skips, jumps, and anything else it can do to try to get back into rhythm,

> etc.....

Yeah, I have never had the slow pulse that I know of, but am still

definitley HYPO. My situation is all mixed up and confusing at times because

I am very mercury toxic.

>

>> WHen the phone wakes me up in the morning my heart races and pounds for a

>> few minutes....that I understand IS hypoadrenal...

>

> This one sounds like you're having too much cortisol output at the wrong

> time, OR the opposite (confusing, isn't it??), not enough at the right time.

> Yes, either hypoadrenal or hyperadrenal, I'd say hypoadrenal.

AH, so hypoadrenal, but certain things make what ammou Ihave in me go

bonkers then?

>

>> but what about the tachycardia in the middle of the night during the body's

> detox cycle?

>

> Sounds to me like adrenaline at the wrong time. This happened to me for the

> first time, when I was on the Nutra-Meds Bovine Adrenal. I thought my chest

> was going to explode and I was going to have a heart attack. I had been

> taking it for about a week (again!), and this is exactly what made me stop

> it. The whole adrenal has the whole cortex in it, which means you're

> getting all the substances that it makes, including adrenaline. I didn't

> need that, I probably need the cortisol, but not that. Learned my lesson

> about testing for this! Someday!

Yeah, I am going to get cortisol but nothing like ISOCORT or anything that

has more adrenaline in it.

Moat of my horrific attacks comcined with tachycardia have stopped since I

have been chelating to remove the mercury and heacy metals form my body. It

is the toxicity that messes things up so bad. But, I am always comparing

notes and questioning, becasue I certainly don't have all the answers.

I also get a fast heart beat from eating many foods, but this is a typical

allergic reaction. Also, if I try and change the sheets or do anything much

exertion wise, my heart pounds real fast before I know it.

I think it is wierd that I have never had a slow heart rate, but then I am

never cold either like most everybody here talks about....but severely heat

intollerant. THe normal heart rate is why I am bot going up again for awhile

on my thyroid, although I have a feeling I will need to take quite a bit

more.

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

Still trying to figure thing out,

~Inga

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[Guest guest]

on 12/6/04 7:18 AM, Kate at kzlists@... wrote:

>

> I have many of the hypo symptoms: fatigue, aches, weight gain, itchy, hair

> thinning, weak nails, brain fog, low temp, etc but my pulse is always in the

> 80s and BP is normal. Does that mean thyroid is not my problem?

That is like me. I have real low temps but have never had a slow heart

rate.. I can only syspect that it is compounded problems...thyrid probably

being one of them, and so it must be addressed.

~inga

> Kate

> Re: *Re: Heart flutters returned!!!

> HYPERthyroidism is the one with the fast pulse. Hypo people can't get their

> pulse up where it belongs, around 70-72 or so BPM. The heart can flutter,

> pound, and gyrate around, but still have a slow pulse. In fact, with hypo,

> I'd say that a too slow rhythm is what causes that because the heart simply

> can't pump fast enough to get rid of the incoming and outgoing blood

> properly. The valves are moving too slow to shuttle it through properly, so

> it skips, jumps, and anything else it can do to try to get back into rhythm,

> etc.....

>> ...

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm going to go looking for some more opinions of differing sources on this,

but it is one of the reasons why we monitor our temps and pulses in

treatment, and especially when we're treating without testing. There are so

many combinations of problems with thyroid disease in different people, but

this one is a cardinal sign or symptom. I still think that either too much

cortisol or lack of (it could be either) at an inappropriate time has

everything to do with this. When I had this attack I was talking about, I

knew it couldn't actually be the thyroid because I was still undertreated,

but my instincts tell me, because of my history, that adrenaline was at the

bottom of it. Even with severe hypo, that part of the adrenals may be

spewing out adrenaline all over the place, but still be cortisol

compromised. There are so many combinations of these things that it's hard

to say which thing(s) are totally responsible for one symptom. When I was

in severe hypo, my pulse rate was a waking 56, 58, but no higher than 60. I

knew this wasn't normal for me. Even though I am still hypo (but not as bad

as then), I'm running a normal 72, so, of course, it would depend on the

severity, and even the severity from body part to body part. I'm a natural

thyroid fan, and it's what got me out of bed, instead of just going to work

every day because I had to. I was so ill that I could hardly walk to the

mailbox, but I still went to work out of survival. Anyway, I will never say

that some people don't need more T4 than others, it's just that I think that

most of us are poor converters or are thyroid hormone resistant, so it

doesn't work all by itself. I'm talking about the T4 because this is the

one that mostly " treats " the heart, though T3 has it's role. I believe that

some people's thyroids normally made a little less T4 than others, so they

may very well be able to get along, for the most part, ALmost without it, at

least for awhile. You may have plenty of T4 for the heart rate, etc.....but

you may be a poor converter, for other purposes. And also, different people

have different cellular resistance in different parts of their bodies, while

they may have good absorption in others. It's sort of like that saying that

" All elephants are animals, but all animals aren't elephants " . If I have a

certain set of symptoms, along with a fast pulse, I'm going to know that I'm

becoming hyperthyroid, but then I do know that certain types of heart damage

also make a fast pulse. If we're talking strictly within the context of

thyroid symptoms, then the fast pulse is one of the biggest ones.

Re: *Re: Heart flutters returned!!!

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> on 12/6/04 7:18 AM, Kate at kzlists@... wrote:

>

> >

> > I have many of the hypo symptoms: fatigue, aches, weight gain, itchy,

hair

> > thinning, weak nails, brain fog, low temp, etc but my pulse is always in

the

> > 80s and BP is normal. Does that mean thyroid is not my problem?

>

>

> That is like me. I have real low temps but have never had a slow heart

> rate.. I can only syspect that it is compounded problems...thyrid probably

> being one of them, and so it must be addressed.

>

> ~inga