Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 , You had your WLS almost a year ago... there are some of us who are out 3 years plus. You're relatively fresh and at the same time though I hope you continue to have adverse reactions to sugars and fats for years to come. I don't do milk because I do dump easily on it but also I bet I could condition my body to accept it as well. Candy I love, milk I can do without it and not shed a tear but not candy! With anything in life, your body can and will build up a tolerance for things like sugar or fat. I know for myself, in pregnancy I can take on up to 15 grams of sugar at one sitting before dumping... post partum I usually have to restart my dumpometer so to speak by going cold turkey of carbs (includes sugars) and go straight protein. As for fats, I've always been able to handle fats, like bacon, sausage, french fries or a piece of fried chicken (minus the skin because I don't like fried skin). I'm sure if I continued to graze on sugars I could build up my tolerance for sugar quite easily... I know people who initially couldn't handle more than 7 gms of sugar at a sitting and now can do over 40 gms at a sitting. As with anything, YMMV (your mileage may vary). ~ BabyCopia ~ Unique and Original Baby Products ~ Preggie Pops Now Available! ~ www.babycopia.com Milk Products Hi again, I can not believe some of your can handle milk and it's products. I can not eat sugars either or fats, gives me severe dumping syndrome. I do tho, some times. I had open gastric bypass, I wonder why it doesn't effect all of us the csame way?? Thanks wls - 10/02 TTC # 1 (39 and praying) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 > I know for myself, in pregnancy I can take > on up to 15 grams of sugar at one sitting before dumping... I was told even immediately postop that my limit would be 15-20 grams per meal.... so 15 grams, to me, doesn't seem like much at all.. >post > partum I usually have to restart my dumpometer so to speak by going > cold turkey of carbs (includes sugars) and go straight protein. a really bad idea, btw, if you're nursing. If you're nursing....it's NO different than being pregnant. Your body is still providing 100% nutrition for your baby...it's just that now your baby is even bigger! Ketones are spilled into breastmilk...and can cause a host of problems in the baby. That's why it's a really good idea not to lose too much weight too rapidly while nursing exclusively. And going high protein low carb has the express intent of throwing you into ketosis...a bad state to be in if you're nursing a baby. Soderblom CCCE CD(DONA) CLD Student Midwife - Mesa, AZ CAPPA Board of Directors Doula/CBE/Pregnancy/Birth Photography Owner: Birth Story Diaries - real births, real photos http://www.birthdiaries.com Owner: SouthwestDoulas.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 I think the way we handle sugars and all foods actually, depends upon how much of the intestine was bypassed (proximal or distal). I can drink a can of Pepsi without dumping, but can't drink the milk left in the cereal bowl after eating the cereal. Fortunately, sweets were/aren't a problem for me. My biggest downfall is greasy, fried foods and lots carbs, pastas, cheeses and breads. Each and every one of us is different although we may have had the same procedure done. Each Dr may use a different technique to basically do the same procedure but how each of us respond may be different as well. Sheila > , > > You had your WLS almost a year ago... there are some of us who are out 3 years plus. You're relatively fresh and at the same time though I hope you continue to have adverse reactions to sugars and fats for years to come. > > I don't do milk because I do dump easily on it but also I bet I could condition my body to accept it as well. Candy I love, milk I can do without it and not shed a tear but not candy! > > With anything in life, your body can and will build up a tolerance for things like sugar or fat. I know for myself, in pregnancy I can take on up to 15 grams of sugar at one sitting before dumping... post partum I usually have to restart my dumpometer so to speak by going cold turkey of carbs (includes sugars) and go straight protein. As for fats, I've always been able to handle fats, like bacon, sausage, french fries or a piece of fried chicken (minus the skin because I don't like fried skin). > > I'm sure if I continued to graze on sugars I could build up my tolerance for sugar quite easily... I know people who initially couldn't handle more than 7 gms of sugar at a sitting and now can do over 40 gms at a sitting. As with anything, YMMV (your mileage may vary). > > > > ~ BabyCopia ~ > Unique and Original Baby Products > ~ Preggie Pops Now Available! ~ > www.babycopia.com > > Milk Products > > > Hi again, I can not believe some of your can handle milk and it's products. I can not eat sugars either or fats, gives me severe dumping syndrome. I do tho, some times. > I had open gastric bypass, I wonder why it doesn't effect all of us the csame way?? > > > Thanks > > > > wls - 10/02 > TTC # 1 > (39 and praying) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 AMAZING at the differences in what information we are given by our surgeons and nutritionists. wrote: I know for myself, in pregnancy I can take on up to 15 grams of sugar at one sitting before dumping... elfanie wrote: I was told even immediately postop that my limit would be 15-20 grams per meal....so 15 grams, to me, doesn't seem like much at all.. and 3 years 8 months and 5 days ago, I was told not to consume more than 2 (count'em TWO) grams of sugar from any one item!!! Different surgeons, different body chemistries, different metabolism etc etc etc..... ============================================================== By the way, ? How's med school???? I admire your strength, determination, fortitude and (where's that Thesaurus when I need it???).......... sheer motivation!!!! Hang in there!! Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 , PLEASE don't take this the wrong way, but... golly, your doctors scare me!! 15-20 grams of sugar per meal??? Gads, if I had tried that immediately postop, it would have killed me!! I couldn't tolerate more than 5-10 grams per DAY, much less per meal!! How in the world did you survive?? You must not have had RNY?? As for Ketones and pregancy -- I know that docs are afraid of people losing weight while pregnant because ketones can cause neurological damage (Reference: http://www.stfx.ca/people/x2000/x2000jst/Nutrition%20during%20pregnancy%20and%20\ lactation.doc just one place this is mentioned among reliable web sources). As for ketones and lactating women, it isn't KNOWN if we release ketones in breast milk according to Laleche League! Where are you getting your information?? Also, what I don't understand is where you are getting the " host of problems " in the baby?? Besides the baby not wanting it because of the possibly too sweet taste (if ketones are even released in breast milk) and the reduction in milk production, hence sessiation of breast feeding... I've been unable to find anything that states any problems caused to an infant feeding off a breast of a woman who is on a higher protein diet... where are you getting your information and how can I get a hold of it to read it?? I am the type of person who likes to understand everything they can, and just hearing it on a posting board is not enough for me to believe it... I need proof. Thanks!! Oh.. here is what Laleche League says about hi-protein diets and breastfeeding: " There are some concerns that it is not safe for a breastfeeding mother to be in ketosis, whether she is following a low carbohydrate diet or burning fat in some other manner.... ****It is unknown if the ketones that are excreted into the blood and urine are also present in the milk, and if so what levels would pose a danger to the breastfeeding infant.******..... The Atkins Center website’s FAQ section recommends that pregnant and breastfeeding women adjust their carbohydrate intake to the maintenance level, which is considerably higher than the weight-loss level. " (reference: http://www.lalecheleague.org/FAQ/lowcarb.html) PLEASE don't take my post as coming down harshly on you... I am just trying to find out what is for real and what is just wive's tales! Thanks for understanding that!! Sharon Said: > I know for myself, in pregnancy I can take > on up to 15 grams of sugar at one sitting before dumping... I was told even immediately postop that my limit would be 15-20 grams per meal.... so 15 grams, to me, doesn't seem like much at all.. >post > partum I usually have to restart my dumpometer so to speak by going > cold turkey of carbs (includes sugars) and go straight protein. a really bad idea, btw, if you're nursing. If you're nursing....it's NO different than being pregnant. Your body is still providing 100% nutrition for your baby...it's just that now your baby is even bigger! Ketones are spilled into breastmilk...and can cause a host of problems in the baby. That's why it's a really good idea not to lose too much weight too rapidly while nursing exclusively. And going high protein low carb has the express intent of throwing you into ketosis...a bad state to be in if you're nursing a baby. Soderblom CCCE CD(DONA) CLD Student Midwife - Mesa, AZ CAPPA Board of Directors Doula/CBE/Pregnancy/Birth Photography Owner: Birth Story Diaries - real births, real photos http://www.birthdiaries.com Owner: SouthwestDoulas.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 , PLEASE don't take this the wrong way, but... golly, your doctors scare me!! 15-20 grams of sugar per meal??? Gads, if I had tried that immediately postop, it would have killed me!! I couldn't tolerate more than 5-10 grams per DAY, much less per meal!! How in the world did you survive?? You must not have had RNY?? As for Ketones and pregancy -- I know that docs are afraid of people losing weight while pregnant because ketones can cause neurological damage (Reference: http://www.stfx.ca/people/x2000/x2000jst/Nutrition%20during%20pregnancy%20and%20\ lactation.doc just one place this is mentioned among reliable web sources). As for ketones and lactating women, it isn't KNOWN if we release ketones in breast milk according to Laleche League! Where are you getting your information?? Also, what I don't understand is where you are getting the " host of problems " in the baby?? Besides the baby not wanting it because of the possibly too sweet taste (if ketones are even released in breast milk) and the reduction in milk production, hence sessiation of breast feeding... I've been unable to find anything that states any problems caused to an infant feeding off a breast of a woman who is on a higher protein diet... where are you getting your information and how can I get a hold of it to read it?? I am the type of person who likes to understand everything they can, and just hearing it on a posting board is not enough for me to believe it... I need proof. Thanks!! Oh.. here is what Laleche League says about hi-protein diets and breastfeeding: " There are some concerns that it is not safe for a breastfeeding mother to be in ketosis, whether she is following a low carbohydrate diet or burning fat in some other manner.... ****It is unknown if the ketones that are excreted into the blood and urine are also present in the milk, and if so what levels would pose a danger to the breastfeeding infant.******..... The Atkins Center website’s FAQ section recommends that pregnant and breastfeeding women adjust their carbohydrate intake to the maintenance level, which is considerably higher than the weight-loss level. " (reference: http://www.lalecheleague.org/FAQ/lowcarb.html) PLEASE don't take my post as coming down harshly on you... I am just trying to find out what is for real and what is just wive's tales! Thanks for understanding that!! Sharon Said: > I know for myself, in pregnancy I can take > on up to 15 grams of sugar at one sitting before dumping... I was told even immediately postop that my limit would be 15-20 grams per meal.... so 15 grams, to me, doesn't seem like much at all.. >post > partum I usually have to restart my dumpometer so to speak by going > cold turkey of carbs (includes sugars) and go straight protein. a really bad idea, btw, if you're nursing. If you're nursing....it's NO different than being pregnant. Your body is still providing 100% nutrition for your baby...it's just that now your baby is even bigger! Ketones are spilled into breastmilk...and can cause a host of problems in the baby. That's why it's a really good idea not to lose too much weight too rapidly while nursing exclusively. And going high protein low carb has the express intent of throwing you into ketosis...a bad state to be in if you're nursing a baby. Soderblom CCCE CD(DONA) CLD Student Midwife - Mesa, AZ CAPPA Board of Directors Doula/CBE/Pregnancy/Birth Photography Owner: Birth Story Diaries - real births, real photos http://www.birthdiaries.com Owner: SouthwestDoulas.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 , PLEASE don't take this the wrong way, but... golly, your doctors scare me!! 15-20 grams of sugar per meal??? Gads, if I had tried that immediately postop, it would have killed me!! I couldn't tolerate more than 5-10 grams per DAY, much less per meal!! How in the world did you survive?? You must not have had RNY?? As for Ketones and pregancy -- I know that docs are afraid of people losing weight while pregnant because ketones can cause neurological damage (Reference: http://www.stfx.ca/people/x2000/x2000jst/Nutrition%20during%20pregnancy%20and%20\ lactation.doc just one place this is mentioned among reliable web sources). As for ketones and lactating women, it isn't KNOWN if we release ketones in breast milk according to Laleche League! Where are you getting your information?? Also, what I don't understand is where you are getting the " host of problems " in the baby?? Besides the baby not wanting it because of the possibly too sweet taste (if ketones are even released in breast milk) and the reduction in milk production, hence sessiation of breast feeding... I've been unable to find anything that states any problems caused to an infant feeding off a breast of a woman who is on a higher protein diet... where are you getting your information and how can I get a hold of it to read it?? I am the type of person who likes to understand everything they can, and just hearing it on a posting board is not enough for me to believe it... I need proof. Thanks!! Oh.. here is what Laleche League says about hi-protein diets and breastfeeding: " There are some concerns that it is not safe for a breastfeeding mother to be in ketosis, whether she is following a low carbohydrate diet or burning fat in some other manner.... ****It is unknown if the ketones that are excreted into the blood and urine are also present in the milk, and if so what levels would pose a danger to the breastfeeding infant.******..... The Atkins Center website’s FAQ section recommends that pregnant and breastfeeding women adjust their carbohydrate intake to the maintenance level, which is considerably higher than the weight-loss level. " (reference: http://www.lalecheleague.org/FAQ/lowcarb.html) PLEASE don't take my post as coming down harshly on you... I am just trying to find out what is for real and what is just wive's tales! Thanks for understanding that!! Sharon Said: > I know for myself, in pregnancy I can take > on up to 15 grams of sugar at one sitting before dumping... I was told even immediately postop that my limit would be 15-20 grams per meal.... so 15 grams, to me, doesn't seem like much at all.. >post > partum I usually have to restart my dumpometer so to speak by going > cold turkey of carbs (includes sugars) and go straight protein. a really bad idea, btw, if you're nursing. If you're nursing....it's NO different than being pregnant. Your body is still providing 100% nutrition for your baby...it's just that now your baby is even bigger! Ketones are spilled into breastmilk...and can cause a host of problems in the baby. That's why it's a really good idea not to lose too much weight too rapidly while nursing exclusively. And going high protein low carb has the express intent of throwing you into ketosis...a bad state to be in if you're nursing a baby. Soderblom CCCE CD(DONA) CLD Student Midwife - Mesa, AZ CAPPA Board of Directors Doula/CBE/Pregnancy/Birth Photography Owner: Birth Story Diaries - real births, real photos http://www.birthdiaries.com Owner: SouthwestDoulas.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 No shit ...before you assume anything, ask before giving an opinion. ~ BabyCopia ~ Unique and Original Baby Products ~ Preggie Pops Now Available! ~ www.babycopia.com ----- >post > partum I usually have to restart my dumpometer so to speak by going > cold turkey of carbs (includes sugars) and go straight protein. a really bad idea, btw, if you're nursing. If you're nursing....it's NO different than being pregnant. = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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