Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 >Any bodybuilders/powerlifters/track and field people out there >exposing their implants (resurfs) to heavy weights or hard landings? >European MDs are liberal with limitations whereas US docs cringe.... >whats actually happening when someone runs hard or lifts heavy? >Assuming the patient has strong bone to begin with, do they fail? >Any relevant stories/experiences appreciated. >Thanks. >Bo. No problems for me. I train in martial arts and get thrown/throw routinely (as in several hundred times a week). Couple months back I took a really solid header off my bike, landing on the operated hip and on concrete. Aside from a lot of bruises, I was fine. who is on the Midland Medical Tech. site as a poster child was resurfed (by McMinn) in 1995 and is still going strong. He gets checked out every year and was just given a clean bill of health (i.e. implant looks good). He is putting quite a bit more wear and tear on it, at approximately twice the usual rate, but since the implant is rated for close to 300 years, this shouldn't be a problem. He still competes at the senior Master's level in Judo, so I know he pounds the daylights out of it. Your mileage *will* vary. Only way for the osteo to be sure is to open you up and play with your bones. If you have really solid bones, you should do fine. Going into surgery I was just hoping to be able to exist pain free and walk. He gave me the go-ahead for a return to martial arts post-op so I have to reign in my giddiness when chatting people up about resurfacing. I should also point out that those of use who are active generally work very hard at regulating load and impact since the long-term effects of these aren't known. For instance, I run on an elliptical trainer (= no impact) rather than cross country, swim, etc., etc. so that effectively the only impact I get in my training is during martial arts. While the landings are solid, they are full body so that a lot more of me takes any impact than just the hip. I lift weights using low poundages but make them massively compound to build up as much functional (vs. absolute) strength as possible. I assume that you are interested in powerlifting, yes? If you are aiming at competitive lifting then this is a set of issues I'm pretty sure hasn't been addressed yet on the list. Interesting though in its own right. You might get a case of the squeaks doing it (lift too much, force fluid out from inside the joint so you hear metal on metal). I don't think that would be a good thing... Cheers, Jeff rBHR Aug. 1, 2001 Mr McMinn ================== Schroedinger does Shakespeare: " To be *and* not to be " > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Gotta agree wholeheartedly with this, Jeff. You're absolutely right about the slow, careful, uphill climb to a decent level of competitiveness. I'll be 50 this year and also feel better than I've felt for 25 years, but that mainly refers to my hips. The rest of me is 49, especially my lower back. Ugh! Now that you mention it, there's probably a good chance of screwing up something else that wasn't so bad before, now that the restrictor (the hips) has been corrected. The hips want to go, go, go and the rest of me is saying " whoa there, big feller " . I'm doing my best to listen but it's tough when you feel so good. Happy hipping. Des In a message dated 2/19/2004 9:17:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, jjg@... writes: I'll de-lurk for a minute, since I have some experience with heavy training (I do martial arts). I know one fellow who had a resurfacing and went back to some weight training (squats in particular), although he wasn't a body builder, but doing this as part of his training. I am very active and have found the following issues * Being screwed up means you will have a long recovery to get back in competition. It took me 2 years, since I had to grow a butt. Can't rush that sort of thing (and don't try to with dietary supplements). * The rest of you has been through some hard times and if you are walking ginky pre-op count on having back/knee problems as well a generally having had your reflexes mis-wired. For instance, walking so that you lift one side of your body rather than stepping. Don't underestimate this, since if you have a load and it shifts, your bady will try to catch you with its bad reflexes and this could lead to injuries (I ripped out a slew of back muscles this way a few months post-op. It wasn't with a big load, it was, of all things, tying my shoes.) Count on a heck of a lot of form training. (One report states you need 3,000 reps before a motion starts to come naturally. Probably so) * You have aged. Even if your hip can take the pounding, what about the rest of you? I've become convinced that my nice new shiny BHR can take anything I care to dish out to it, but at 43 the knees, back, neck, etc. aren't too keen on keeping up. Having an artificial joint as tough as one of these in the fray can get you into trouble. I'm planning real hard on avoiding repeating this with other joints, since even as dicey as a hip replacement is, this has the best success rate overall for any surgery of this type. On the plus side, I'm in better shape than ever before and am routinely running my 20-something students into the ground. For me, I've had an unqualified success, so I'm not necessarily the best person to answer certain questions (like fretting over whether this is right -- I'd have the other one done in a heartbeat if I thought it needed it). Youth is truly wasted on the young... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Thanks for relating your experience Jeff. Great to hear youve found no reason to doubt the hip. It makes sense that when some muscles are strong and others have weakened (especially on opposing sides of the low back) some bad pulls can/will occur. Lots of volume with low loads seems the only answer at first. Des, I agree with your " Question Authority " comparison. Its true, those of us reared in the 1960's and 70's simply dont buy what we are told all the time by the " establishment " . We seek alternatives as a matter of course. Sometimes we find it, sometimes we dont. It sounds like the resurf option is a pretty safe bet for hip trouble. Bo. > Gotta agree wholeheartedly with this, Jeff. You're absolutely right about the > slow, careful, uphill climb to a decent level of competitiveness. > > I'll be 50 this year and also feel better than I've felt for 25 years, but > that mainly refers to my hips. The rest of me is 49, especially my lower back. > Ugh! > > Now that you mention it, there's probably a good chance of screwing up > something else that wasn't so bad before, now that the restrictor (the hips) has > been corrected. The hips want to go, go, go and the rest of me is saying " whoa > there, big feller " . I'm doing my best to listen but it's tough when you feel so > good. > > Happy hipping. > > Des > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2004 9:17:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, jjg@j... > writes: > I'll de-lurk for a minute, since I have some experience with heavy training > (I do martial arts). I know one fellow who had a resurfacing and went back > to some weight training (squats in particular), although he wasn't a body > builder, but doing this as part of his training. I am very active and have > found the following issues > > * Being screwed up means you will have a long recovery to get back in > competition. It took me 2 years, since I had to grow a butt. Can't rush > that sort of thing (and don't try to with dietary supplements). > > * The rest of you has been through some hard times and if you are walking > ginky pre-op count on having back/knee problems as well a generally having > had your reflexes mis-wired. For instance, walking so that you lift one > side of your body rather than stepping. Don't underestimate this, since if > you have a load and it shifts, your bady will try to catch you with its bad > reflexes and this could lead to injuries (I ripped out a slew of back > muscles this way a few months post-op. It wasn't with a big load, it was, > of all things, tying my shoes.) Count on a heck of a lot of form training. > (One report states you need 3,000 reps before a motion starts to come > naturally. Probably so) > > * You have aged. Even if your hip can take the pounding, what about the > rest of you? I've become convinced that my nice new shiny BHR can take > anything I care to dish out to it, but at 43 the knees, back, neck, etc. > aren't too keen on keeping up. Having an artificial joint as tough as one > of these in the fray can get you into trouble. I'm planning real hard on > avoiding repeating this with other joints, since even as dicey as a hip > replacement is, this has the best success rate overall for any surgery of > this type. > > On the plus side, I'm in better shape than ever before and am routinely > running my 20-something students into the ground. For me, I've had an > unqualified success, so I'm not necessarily the best person to answer > certain questions (like fretting over whether this is right -- I'd have the > other one done in a heartbeat if I thought it needed it). > > Youth is truly wasted on the young... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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