Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Hi Debbi and others who are interested, I did a web search for Synergy Seat. There is something called the Quantum Synergy Seat. Seems like a seat with a manual reclining function, so you can lay the back down. I would really have an electrically reclining function though. Manual ones are not that good for an EDS'er. Below I am pasting a document about Pride's New Synergy Seating System. I think you should in general take a look around at the http://www.pridemobility.com website. Look at all the scooters and wheelchairs... But there are some important questions you need to ask before even attempting to pick a certain model. They may all look very much alike, but I promise you, the differences are huge. Compare them... - Where will you use it (inside malls, on even ground, going over high curbs, going out in nature, high hills, etc. etc.). If the answer is yes to all these, it is important that you get one with a good motor, big wheels, high underneath (you can easily catch it underneath and you will be STUCK).... - Seating needs. What kind of seat do you really need? In my not so humble opinion... All EDS'ers need the very best in seating. Compare with the seats they give really severely handicapped people. Minus things like 4 point safety belts and blocks of foam between the thighs and such... The Cushion: Remember to focus on the EDS fragility issues, we can get problems much easier than others, and many of us react very negative to pressure on our connective tissues (see all EDS'ers sitting like Ants on their chairs? Not only because of all the painful joints, but we often get such Pain in the Butt by sitting (!) Many get red and sore from sitting, not even that long. We should be considered as High Risk for pressure sores, even if we don't sit all the time. We need the relief of a good cushion. So you should really have one with not only foam, if you ask me (go to the best alternative the first time!). You need one with either gel/foam combo, air, air/foam combo, one of the new ones that works like the air ones but they are filled with some foamy stuff instead of air... Something " up that alley " , if you understand what I mean. On my Chairman, I have the following: Under the seat the base is not solid metal, but has wide, elastic bands providing some cushioning in itself. The cushion is a special foam with the " butt area " filled with " balls " with some gel-foamy stuff which works like sitting on an air cushion like Roho, only it is more stabile. Some EDSers don't like the air cushions that much because it is not stabile, the air moves around. But you can get newer type ones with lots of independent chambers, so that the air can't move around too much. In my Chairman, the combo of the special base and the seat cushion with the pressure relief system, makes it so much easier to sit, and I don't feel the need to move around all the time. The seat cushion is not one of those square ones, it is a proper car seat like cushion with the pressure relief system built in. It is covered with the same velour as the rest of the seat and the back, but where your butt is, the seat has elastic jersey fabric, which is important in order to let the seat conform to your body. The back of the chair: It is high, but has been cut to fit my body length. This is important, because it lets you get full use of the neck rest. Behind the padded cover, it is built up to follow the contours of my body. They have pieces of Styro-foam (?) and things like that they use for this. Since my back is... what do you call it? Sway-backed / hollow-backed or something like that? Hyper-lordosis? Anyway, I have a real hard time getting enough support. So the back of my chair is built up by these hard foam pieces as well as a rectangular cushion (like the ones they have on the air planes), all this hidden behind the padded seat cover (the back of the chair has a hard plastic backing which has lots of velcro's on the inside which you can use to attach different supports). A good option here is also to have an air lower back support, so that you can let the air out when you lay the back down, as the sway gets more flat when you lay down. We managed to find just the right support by building it up though, and I am very happy with it. Also it has pieces which provide side support, which I also find important in order to sit comfortably. The seat I have looks a lot like a car seat, but it is sort of neater, not that huge. Here they often use Recaro car seats on wheelchairs too, but hey are huge... This back I have, you can also get in two parts. Then when you take the chair into a car and your car is low, you just pop it apart. Very easy, nothing fancy at all. Neck rest: At the top of the back, I think it is important to get a good neck rest. But of course it depends on your individual need. Anyway... So many of us have a hard time with our backs and necks, and then the neck rest is important. To look for options, it is a good idea to look at the Jazzy accessories, they have a lot of great neck/head rests. They have a lot of good seating options in general. Also have a look at their back which has an extra " joint " high up, so that you can tilt it forwards to talk to people while laying down, watch TV etc. That back is GREAT! But back to neck rests. I think it is important to find one that at the same time supports your neck properly and also supports the head side wise (it has a bend at each side, so that your head can't slide to the side). That function I associate the most with multi-handicapped people who can't hold their head at all. But when your neck is super painful, this is really useful because you don't have to have your muscles super-toned at all times to prevent painful movements when you e.g. drive over a little stone or hole in the ground. So it is really useful. Even if you don't get a Jazzy chair, a good technician can adapt a Jazzy neckrest to another chair so that you can get the proper neck rest. Too many neck rests are not useful at all, they only keeps your head from swinging backwards. Of course that is important, but for us it is not enough at all. A completely flat neck rest is not enough for us, if you ask me. Arm rest: Of course the seat should have armrests. These should also be padded. Also ask for small bags attached on each side to carry necessities... It is often better to get the ones from that company, rather than some generic ones. E.g. Permobil has bags that attaches under the arm rest, so that you won't have any annoying straps on the padding.... Foot rests: This applies only to power chairs, not scooters. I have foot rests which goes up and down electrical, both to make it easy to get out of the chair and to let you have your feet up high if you need that. i often use them up high if my knees act up. I have separate foot plates at the bottom, but they could just as well have been one wide plate. To me it doesn't matter. One thing that does matter though, which many forget, are the calf rests. These are important when you are laying down in your chair. Without these you won't be able to rest your legs properly. They should be padded. Seat functions: I have all seat functions electrical, no manual ones at all. This was chosen for me because joint protection is important, so it is not only a question about whether you can do it manually or not. Reclining: To be able to recline the seat is very important for an EDSer with back and neck issues. That way you can get the weight off your spine whereever you are. My seat reclines only to 45 degrees, but I find that to be enough. Why? Read further down. Tilt: Together with the reclining function, this is really important, I think. It helps you shift the distribution of weight and strain, which is really, really useful. Many prefer having a slight tilt when they sit upright and maybe drive quite fast, you sit better and more safely back in your seat, it is not that easy to fall out of the chair in case of a sudden stop... But it is also a fantastic way of shifting the weight from " down your spine " to your " back plate " if you understand what I mean. The tilt function lets the seat itself change angle. Mine only goes backwards. But even with a seat back that reclines a bit, together with the tilt you can get a wonderful resting position. It is like having your good recliner from your living room with you all places. That is just wonderful for an EDSer, no doubt about that... With a recliner back that goes to 45 degrees, and using the tilt at the same time, I can lay flat down with my back, but with an angle in my hips and my feet up high. That is the best resting position I can get... Safe for my SI joints too because of the angle in the hips and knees. So I really can't recommend tilt enough... " Lift " : You can get a seat base which takes the seat up higher. Very useful while shopping, you can reach things on the highest shelf in the stores. I also use this when I am out, to get up to bar level. So many bar's and pub's have not only the bar itself up high, but also tables with bar stools. So when I use this function, I get up to the level of the others. I also use it when I am talking to really tall people, to reach their eye level. This is really useful and also helps a lot if you feel self consious (sp?) about sitting " down there " while others are standing. You can't drive around like this though, the chair will automatically go slower because the chair can tip over much easier... So it is something you use while standing there or just to get something and take it down again. I find it especially useful when I shop, because I will normally have a basket on my lap. If I was to get up, which I normally can do, I would have to lift the heavy basket down on the floor and up again. Now that is not good... Safety belt: A rolling safety belt should be on all such chairs, if you ask me... Especially if you don't have any tilt, this can be really important. Should you hit a small stone while driving quite fast, it could easily send you flying out of the chair... On my Trax I always use the belt (no tilt on the seat), on my Chairman I don't use it that often... Oh well... I am sure I forgot something... I had a look at the Jazzy chairs at pridemobility.com, and got a bit confused because they looked a bit different from the Jazzy's I am used to seeing here. Especially did I notice that none of them had real leg rests, which I find important for us, because we often need to get our feet up, let the knees get a rest etc. If my knees are especially bad, often when I am travelling and can't get the good rest I get in my electrical lift recliner I have at home, I use an extra pillow under my knees in the chair. I have never seen any wheelchairs have a function which can meet that need. But a pillow does the trick. Often when I travel, I have a round one which the PT's often use (got it from my OT friend), with me. That one is really neat for that. Or I take one of the pillows from the hotel bed. The round ones and triangular foam ones, you can get in stores which carry foam mattresses etc. They cut it to the length you prefer. For use in a wheelchair or scooter it would be the same width as the chair seat. I went to the Norwegian web site for the dealer of Jazzy chairs, and noticed that they just called the most common one MC Jazzy, with no numbers after it. I do know they carry different models though, that I have seen in their showroom and catalogue. But as I could see from the picture, they can probably attach leg rests on the ones in the US, it just doesn't come with it as standard. The ones the one I saw had, was fastened on each side of the seat base. The one I have on my Permobil is neater, i think, because it is not so obvious and huge, as it is fastened in the middle, with the calf rests sticking out on each side of the middle steel base. That way the chair is much neater and not that bulky in the front, and it looks sort of sportier, I think... But I think things like that much boils down to your own preferences and good, old taste... Just like with clothing... We like different things... But for you, Debbi, I really think you should look into getting the very best seating on the scooter. Also maybe you could ask the manufacturer if they could think out a solution for giving your feet better resting options, since these chairs have no leg rests (neither has my Trax, those chairs just don't have that)... Ooops, note that I use the word chair a lot. I am not differing between chairs and scooters all the time. I consider them all as different variants of wheelchairs... If you took a look also at the Jazzy chairs at the web site I mentioned. Imagine one of those with a sleek, sporty looking, good seat. Not those boring grey pleather ones... Don't you think they look less " handicapped " than many of the power wheelchairs? At the conference in W-S, somebody had the Jazzy in a pretty, dark green metallic paint. It was so neat and good looking... I have been a bit curious. I am sure you US guys can answer my question... The past few years it seems like a lot has happened in the " wheelchair department " in the US. The first conference I went to, in 1998 everybody except one from Canada, had power wheelchairs that were more like old fashioned manual ones with batteries and joysticks. With velcro backs and ordinary wheelchair cushions. Or they had scooters. In 2002 several had more " funky ones " , with better seating systems... Is it getting more common to get more advanced wheelchairs now than it used to? Has the insurance companies and such gotten better in covering things? I really hope so, because it sure makes a difference in your every day life. I can't imagine sitting in a chair with a " stretched velcro back " all day... I wish I could have brought my power wheelchair when I go to the US, but that won't work. My power chair is very heavy and requires a van. I can't afford having to rent special cars while there. Also after the conference I am going to visit people and things would not work with that chair. But my manual chair is neat and really good to sit in, but there's no options of resting while using it. But for me that chair is a whole lot better than e.g. a power chair with a seating system like I mentioned above with a velcro back and such. Because even if it is a small, manual one, the Jay Extreme back it has, really supports my back well. But you have to sit up straight and all that... For a manual chair that kind of chair is my only option though. I could never push myself at all in another one. I have thought a bit about maybe looking into getting the E-Motion help motor where everything is built into the wheels. The only problem is that it can't be used with a camber angle on the wheels (where the wheels " go inwards " ) more than 5 degrees. My chairs have 6 and 8 degrees... Maybe I could give it a try with the one that has 6 degrees... Hmmm... If I should consider that for this trip, I sure have to think about it really fast... I will be travelling a lot this year, even to South Africa... Will be travelling a lot these next three years because of the presidency in the NPA... Hey, Debbi, look what you did... You got me thinking here!!! I have thought of it before, but haven't gotten to it. But when you start thinking things through like I did now, things start spinning, he-he... I tell you what, I think I will contact my new OT. I talked to him on the phone a while ago, but I haven't met him yet.... Remember, under the sig line is the Synergy Seating info... hugs, Aase Marit At pridemobility.com I also found the following text which I hope answers your question: <<Pride's New Synergy Seating System The Most Versatile Seating System Available EXETER, PA - Pride Mobility Products Corp., Exeter, PA, is proud to introduce its new Synergy Seating Systems. The Synergy seating system from Quantum Rehab provides unrivaled flexibility and versatility that can grow with the client. The Quantum Synergy seating allows easy adjustments of the seat height, width, and depth, as well as back and set angles. Several width and depth adjustment packages range from 10 " to 24 " , adjustable in a 4 " range with no need for a new seat pan. The back height is available from 14 " to 24 " , while the back angle adjustment is up to 12 degrees The seating has a weight capacity of 500 pounds and is available with flip-up, removable quick adjustable or heavy-duty armrests. With a removable solid seat pan base that provides a stable surface, the Synergy Seat easily accepts a broad range of specialty seat and back cushions for the individual's comfort, positioning, and pressure management. The seat is available on all Quantum Blast, Jazzy®, and Dynamo® power chairs.>> >Does anyone out there know that Synergy Seat means? > > >Debbi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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