Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I have my relationship with the Lord, so if I am in the box and I feel the need, I pray. If my patient has a relationship with the Lord and wishes to pray, that is ok. If the patient asks me to pray with them, I do. I do not ask the patient to participate in my time of prayer. BTW, times are the prayer is occuring while knee deep in the action, patient care does not come ot a stans still for the moment. If the patient has a belief that is not in line with my Christian belief, then I will accomindate to the extent possible so the may participate with their belief. No preaching or attempt to convert in the rig occurs. Just allow for each to have their peace with their belief. B. Religion Is there a place for religion in the back of an ambulance? Personaly I always pray for assitance when treating a crtical Pt. EMT-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Amen , many, many times I have been knee deep in pt care and asking the Lord to use my hands for his will. And many times my partner has said, Shanna are you praying? Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel Re: Religion I have my relationship with the Lord, so if I am in the box and I feel the need, I pray. If my patient has a relationship with the Lord and wishes to pray, that is ok. If the patient asks me to pray with them, I do. I do not ask the patient to participate in my time of prayer. BTW, times are the prayer is occuring while knee deep in the action, patient care does not come ot a stans still for the moment. If the patient has a belief that is not in line with my Christian belief, then I will accomindate to the extent possible so the may participate with their belief. No preaching or attempt to convert in the rig occurs. Just allow for each to have their peace with their belief. B. Religion Is there a place for religion in the back of an ambulance? Personaly I always pray for assitance when treating a crtical Pt. EMT-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Amen , many, many times I have been knee deep in pt care and asking the Lord to use my hands for his will. And many times my partner has said, Shanna are you praying? Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel Re: Religion I have my relationship with the Lord, so if I am in the box and I feel the need, I pray. If my patient has a relationship with the Lord and wishes to pray, that is ok. If the patient asks me to pray with them, I do. I do not ask the patient to participate in my time of prayer. BTW, times are the prayer is occuring while knee deep in the action, patient care does not come ot a stans still for the moment. If the patient has a belief that is not in line with my Christian belief, then I will accomindate to the extent possible so the may participate with their belief. No preaching or attempt to convert in the rig occurs. Just allow for each to have their peace with their belief. B. Religion Is there a place for religion in the back of an ambulance? Personaly I always pray for assitance when treating a crtical Pt. EMT-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Amen , many, many times I have been knee deep in pt care and asking the Lord to use my hands for his will. And many times my partner has said, Shanna are you praying? Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel Re: Religion I have my relationship with the Lord, so if I am in the box and I feel the need, I pray. If my patient has a relationship with the Lord and wishes to pray, that is ok. If the patient asks me to pray with them, I do. I do not ask the patient to participate in my time of prayer. BTW, times are the prayer is occuring while knee deep in the action, patient care does not come ot a stans still for the moment. If the patient has a belief that is not in line with my Christian belief, then I will accomindate to the extent possible so the may participate with their belief. No preaching or attempt to convert in the rig occurs. Just allow for each to have their peace with their belief. B. Religion Is there a place for religion in the back of an ambulance? Personaly I always pray for assitance when treating a crtical Pt. EMT-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Never, really Rob? Have you never worked a full code on a helpless child for over 45 minutes with family watching and wish that there was someone or something (perhaps GOD) that could help make a difference? Have you never never been on the scene of a horrific MVA, finding an entire family (mother, father, and three children 3, 6, and 7) wiped out in an instant and wish GOD could change what just happened? Do calls like this make you think of your own family, and make you thank GOD that they are safe. How do you cope when you have to tell the young mother that her six month old daughter died in her sleep and there is nothing that can be done? Have you truly had emotional calls? I know I have, and I know that I am not the only one. We all have calls that rock us to our core, but we must find ways of dealing with them or we go crazy. What about the patient and family member also suffering through these emotional calls? Don't we owe it to them to be able to share our coping techniques with them as well? Just my thoughts.  McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T Live for today, tomorrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does.  McGee, EMT-P  Subject: Re: Religion To: texasems-l Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 9:11 PM  Who mocked anyone? I just said I have never run a call in my career that I felt was " tough " enough -- emotionally or otherwise -- to require divine intervention. And my opinion was asked for just like yours was, so it is just as valid. Before you go demanding respect, perhaps you should lead by example. Rob On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:51, " " said: > What!?!? I was talking about an emotionally " tough call " so if in 30 > years you have not had a call that bothered you then don't comment an > opinion was asked for I gave one have respect for other people and > don't mock them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Never, really Rob? Have you never worked a full code on a helpless child for over 45 minutes with family watching and wish that there was someone or something (perhaps GOD) that could help make a difference? Have you never never been on the scene of a horrific MVA, finding an entire family (mother, father, and three children 3, 6, and 7) wiped out in an instant and wish GOD could change what just happened? Do calls like this make you think of your own family, and make you thank GOD that they are safe. How do you cope when you have to tell the young mother that her six month old daughter died in her sleep and there is nothing that can be done? Have you truly had emotional calls? I know I have, and I know that I am not the only one. We all have calls that rock us to our core, but we must find ways of dealing with them or we go crazy. What about the patient and family member also suffering through these emotional calls? Don't we owe it to them to be able to share our coping techniques with them as well? Just my thoughts.  McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T Live for today, tomorrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does.  McGee, EMT-P  Subject: Re: Religion To: texasems-l Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 9:11 PM  Who mocked anyone? I just said I have never run a call in my career that I felt was " tough " enough -- emotionally or otherwise -- to require divine intervention. And my opinion was asked for just like yours was, so it is just as valid. Before you go demanding respect, perhaps you should lead by example. Rob On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:51, " " said: > What!?!? I was talking about an emotionally " tough call " so if in 30 > years you have not had a call that bothered you then don't comment an > opinion was asked for I gave one have respect for other people and > don't mock them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Never, really Rob? Have you never worked a full code on a helpless child for over 45 minutes with family watching and wish that there was someone or something (perhaps GOD) that could help make a difference? Have you never never been on the scene of a horrific MVA, finding an entire family (mother, father, and three children 3, 6, and 7) wiped out in an instant and wish GOD could change what just happened? Do calls like this make you think of your own family, and make you thank GOD that they are safe. How do you cope when you have to tell the young mother that her six month old daughter died in her sleep and there is nothing that can be done? Have you truly had emotional calls? I know I have, and I know that I am not the only one. We all have calls that rock us to our core, but we must find ways of dealing with them or we go crazy. What about the patient and family member also suffering through these emotional calls? Don't we owe it to them to be able to share our coping techniques with them as well? Just my thoughts.  McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T Live for today, tomorrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does.  McGee, EMT-P  Subject: Re: Religion To: texasems-l Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 9:11 PM  Who mocked anyone? I just said I have never run a call in my career that I felt was " tough " enough -- emotionally or otherwise -- to require divine intervention. And my opinion was asked for just like yours was, so it is just as valid. Before you go demanding respect, perhaps you should lead by example. Rob On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:51, " " said: > What!?!? I was talking about an emotionally " tough call " so if in 30 > years you have not had a call that bothered you then don't comment an > opinion was asked for I gave one have respect for other people and > don't mock them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Mr. McGee: You might want to consider for a moment that there are those of us who don't have the same beliefs as you. . . LaChance >>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:34 PM, in message 221694.73980.qm@...>, McGee summedic@...> wrote: Never, really Rob? Have you never worked a full code on a helpless child for over 45 minutes with family watching and wish that there was someone or something (perhaps GOD) that could help make a difference? Have you never never been on the scene of a horrific MVA, finding an entire family (mother, father, and three children 3, 6, and 7) wiped out in an instant and wish GOD could change what just happened? Do calls like this make you think of your own family, and make you thank GOD that they are safe. How do you cope when you have to tell the young mother that her six month old daughter died in her sleep and there is nothing that can be done? Have you truly had emotional calls? I know I have, and I know that I am not the only one. We all have calls that rock us to our core, but we must find ways of dealing with them or we go crazy. What about the patient and family member also suffering through these emotional calls? Don't we owe it to them to be able to share our coping techniques with them as well? Just my thoughts. McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T Live for today, tomorrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does. McGee, EMT-P From: rob.davis@... ( mailto:rob.davis%40armynursecorps.com ) rob.davis@... ( mailto:rob.davis%40armynursecorps.com )> Subject: Re: Religion To: texasems-l ( mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com ) Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 9:11 PM Who mocked anyone? I just said I have never run a call in my career that I felt was " tough " enough -- emotionally or otherwise -- to require divine intervention. And my opinion was asked for just like yours was, so it is just as valid. Before you go demanding respect, perhaps you should lead by example. Rob On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:51, " " said: > What!?!? I was talking about an emotionally " tough call " so if in 30 > years you have not had a call that bothered you then don't comment an > opinion was asked for I gave one have respect for other people and > don't mock them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Mr. McGee: You might want to consider for a moment that there are those of us who don't have the same beliefs as you. . . LaChance >>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:34 PM, in message 221694.73980.qm@...>, McGee summedic@...> wrote: Never, really Rob? Have you never worked a full code on a helpless child for over 45 minutes with family watching and wish that there was someone or something (perhaps GOD) that could help make a difference? Have you never never been on the scene of a horrific MVA, finding an entire family (mother, father, and three children 3, 6, and 7) wiped out in an instant and wish GOD could change what just happened? Do calls like this make you think of your own family, and make you thank GOD that they are safe. How do you cope when you have to tell the young mother that her six month old daughter died in her sleep and there is nothing that can be done? Have you truly had emotional calls? I know I have, and I know that I am not the only one. We all have calls that rock us to our core, but we must find ways of dealing with them or we go crazy. What about the patient and family member also suffering through these emotional calls? Don't we owe it to them to be able to share our coping techniques with them as well? Just my thoughts. McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T Live for today, tomorrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does. McGee, EMT-P From: rob.davis@... ( mailto:rob.davis%40armynursecorps.com ) rob.davis@... ( mailto:rob.davis%40armynursecorps.com )> Subject: Re: Religion To: texasems-l ( mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com ) Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 9:11 PM Who mocked anyone? I just said I have never run a call in my career that I felt was " tough " enough -- emotionally or otherwise -- to require divine intervention. And my opinion was asked for just like yours was, so it is just as valid. Before you go demanding respect, perhaps you should lead by example. Rob On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:51, " " said: > What!?!? I was talking about an emotionally " tough call " so if in 30 > years you have not had a call that bothered you then don't comment an > opinion was asked for I gave one have respect for other people and > don't mock them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Mr. McGee: You might want to consider for a moment that there are those of us who don't have the same beliefs as you. . . LaChance >>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:34 PM, in message 221694.73980.qm@...>, McGee summedic@...> wrote: Never, really Rob? Have you never worked a full code on a helpless child for over 45 minutes with family watching and wish that there was someone or something (perhaps GOD) that could help make a difference? Have you never never been on the scene of a horrific MVA, finding an entire family (mother, father, and three children 3, 6, and 7) wiped out in an instant and wish GOD could change what just happened? Do calls like this make you think of your own family, and make you thank GOD that they are safe. How do you cope when you have to tell the young mother that her six month old daughter died in her sleep and there is nothing that can be done? Have you truly had emotional calls? I know I have, and I know that I am not the only one. We all have calls that rock us to our core, but we must find ways of dealing with them or we go crazy. What about the patient and family member also suffering through these emotional calls? Don't we owe it to them to be able to share our coping techniques with them as well? Just my thoughts. McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T Live for today, tomorrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does. McGee, EMT-P From: rob.davis@... ( mailto:rob.davis%40armynursecorps.com ) rob.davis@... ( mailto:rob.davis%40armynursecorps.com )> Subject: Re: Religion To: texasems-l ( mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com ) Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 9:11 PM Who mocked anyone? I just said I have never run a call in my career that I felt was " tough " enough -- emotionally or otherwise -- to require divine intervention. And my opinion was asked for just like yours was, so it is just as valid. Before you go demanding respect, perhaps you should lead by example. Rob On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:51, " " said: > What!?!? I was talking about an emotionally " tough call " so if in 30 > years you have not had a call that bothered you then don't comment an > opinion was asked for I gave one have respect for other people and > don't mock them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Comments inline...... Hatfield " The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes www.michaelwhatfield.net  Never, really Rob? Have you never worked a full code on a helpless child for over 45 minutes with family watching and wish that there was someone or something (perhaps GOD) that could help make a difference? MH: YEP Have you never never been on the scene of a horrific MVA, finding an entire family (mother, father, and three children 3, 6, and 7) wiped out in an instant and wish GOD could change what just happened? MH: Yep, actually for me it was the enitre family in one car, and an elderly couple in another, all dead Do calls like this make you think of your own family, and make you thank GOD that they are safe. MH: Nope  How do you cope when you have to tell the young mother that her six month old daughter died in her sleep and there is nothing that can be done? MH: With professional compassion  Have you truly had emotional calls? I know I have, and I know that I am not the only one. We all have calls that rock us to our core, but we must find ways of dealing with them or we go crazy. What about the patient and family member also suffering through these emotional calls? Don't we owe it to them to be able to share our coping techniques with them as well? MH: Not if your coping techniques invade their own personal religous or lack of religous beliefs, in all my years ( and I have a few) I don't recall praying with a patient, if they are at a point where they feel like they need to be praying, then it usually means I have work to do. Besides, I would hate to start off a prayer with Barukh atah Adonai only to find out he isn't (gasp) Jewish.  The right reverend Gnady is correct, one should never discuss politics or religion with someone unless you are intimate with them....... Recent Activity  4 New MembersVisit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I am sorry. I never ment to suggest that my personal beliefs would be pushed on my patients or their families, only that I would not now nor ever feel ashamed or hesitant in sharing if so asked. Live for today, tomorrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does.  McGee, EMT-P   Never, really Rob? Have you never worked a full code on a helpless child for over 45 minutes with family watching and wish that there was someone or something (perhaps GOD) that could help make a difference? MH: YEP Have you never never been on the scene of a horrific MVA, finding an entire family (mother, father, and three children 3, 6, and 7) wiped out in an instant and wish GOD could change what just happened? MH: Yep, actually for me it was the enitre family in one car, and an elderly couple in another, all dead Do calls like this make you think of your own family, and make you thank GOD that they are safe. MH: Nope  How do you cope when you have to tell the young mother that her six month old daughter died in her sleep and there is nothing that can be done? MH: With professional compassion  Have you truly had emotional calls? I know I have, and I know that I am not the only one. We all have calls that rock us to our core, but we must find ways of dealing with them or we go crazy. What about the patient and family member also suffering through these emotional calls? Don't we owe it to them to be able to share our coping techniques with them as well? MH: Not if your coping techniques invade their own personal religous or lack of religous beliefs, in all my years ( and I have a few) I don't recall praying with a patient, if they are at a point where they feel like they need to be praying, then it usually means I have work to do. Besides, I would hate to start off a prayer with Barukh atah Adonai only to find out he isn't (gasp) Jewish.  The right reverend Gnady is correct, one should never discuss politics or religion with someone unless you are intimate with them....... Recent Activity  4 New MembersVisit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 I have seen *many* cases over the last 35 years where the families were praying, and the comment " My God! " uttered by any of the team members was more likely a prayer than a blasphemy. And in more than one case, it was probably, and sadly, a prayer that we would fail to revive the patient. ck In a message dated 9/30/2009 07:45:19 Central Standard Time, lnmolino@... writes: Rob said; And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any difference if I had The first may well be fact. The second is hard to prove in some folks opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee " summedic@...> said: > Never, really Rob? Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that. To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and absolutely no religious component. It's science and art. What happens, happens. What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not contemplate the greater cosmic, existential significance of everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward. As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting all emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm probably more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty. Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit. In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die. Some were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to this day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way that would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any difference if I had. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 As old as duke is one wonders if he said this before the US marines stole it and made some not so minor changes? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 9/30/2009 11:57:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, THEDUDMAN@... writes: I am using this in the signature line of my email currently: " EMS does not save lives. God does! Our job is to entertain the patient until He makes up his mind. " -?Dr. Red Duke Dudley Re: Religion Been there done that as in 'please don't have a pulse'. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/FF/N Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos (Cell) _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) On Sep 30, 2009, at 8:50, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) wrote: > I have seen *many* cases over the last 35 years where the families > were > praying, and the comment " My God! " uttered by any of the team > members was more > likely a prayer than a blasphemy. And in more than one case, it was > probably, and sadly, a prayer that we would fail to revive the > patient. > > ck > > > In a message dated 9/30/2009 07:45:19 Central Standard Time, > _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) writes: > > Rob said; > > And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't > have made any difference if I had > > The first may well be fact. The second is hard to prove in some folks > opinion. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 I don't think you ever suggested that, I'm just glad to know there are so many EMS workers that put their faith to work in the face of danger, disaster, pain and suffering for ourselves and our fellow human beings. Thanks for standing up. Melinda M. Switzer Area Safety Director ETMC EMS 352 S. Glenwood Tyler, Tx 75701 Office: 903 535-5836 Cell: 903 574-3217 Fax: 903 939-5790 " When we choose not to focus on what's missing from our lives but are grateful for the abundance that's present... we experience heaven on earth. " >>> " McGee " summedic@...> 9/29/2009 4:53 PM >>> I am sorry. I never ment to suggest that my personal beliefs would be pushed on my patients or their families, only that I would not now nor ever feel ashamed or hesitant in sharing if so asked. Live for today, tomorrow is not here yet and laugh at yourself often before someone else does. McGee, EMT-P Never, really Rob? Have you never worked a full code on a helpless child for over 45 minutes with family watching and wish that there was someone or something (perhaps GOD) that could help make a difference? MH: YEP Have you never never been on the scene of a horrific MVA, finding an entire family (mother, father, and three children 3, 6, and 7) wiped out in an instant and wish GOD could change what just happened? MH: Yep, actually for me it was the enitre family in one car, and an elderly couple in another, all dead Do calls like this make you think of your own family, and make you thank GOD that they are safe. MH: Nope How do you cope when you have to tell the young mother that her six month old daughter died in her sleep and there is nothing that can be done? MH: With professional compassion Have you truly had emotional calls? I know I have, and I know that I am not the only one. We all have calls that rock us to our core, but we must find ways of dealing with them or we go crazy. What about the patient and family member also suffering through these emotional calls? Don't we owe it to them to be able to share our coping techniques with them as well? MH: Not if your coping techniques invade their own personal religous or lack of religous beliefs, in all my years ( and I have a few) I don't recall praying with a patient, if they are at a point where they feel like they need to be praying, then it usually means I have work to do. Besides, I would hate to start off a prayer with Barukh atah Adonai only to find out he isn't (gasp) Jewish. The right reverend Gnady is correct, one should never discuss politics or religion with someone unless you are intimate with them....... Recent Activity 4 New MembersVisit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Rob said; And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any difference if I had The first may well be fact. The second is hard to prove in some folks opinion. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos (Cell) LNMolino@... On Sep 30, 2009, at 4:55, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee " summedic@... > > said: > > > Never, really Rob? > > Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the > fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like > most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability > to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side > issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as > a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that. > > To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and > absolutely no religious component. It's science and art. What > happens, happens. What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not > contemplate the greater cosmic, existential significance of > everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward. > > As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting > all emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a > child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm > probably more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their > final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their > head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty. > Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit. > > In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die. > Some were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to > this day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way > that would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them > ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any > difference if I had. > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Been there done that as in 'please don't have a pulse'. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos (Cell) LNMolino@... > I have seen *many* cases over the last 35 years where the families > were > praying, and the comment " My God! " uttered by any of the team > members was more > likely a prayer than a blasphemy. And in more than one case, it was > probably, and sadly, a prayer that we would fail to revive the > patient. > > ck > > > In a message dated 9/30/2009 07:45:19 Central Standard Time, > lnmolino@... writes: > > Rob said; > > And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't > have made any difference if I had > > The first may well be fact. The second is hard to prove in some folks > opinion. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 I am using this in the signature line of my email currently: " EMS does not save lives. God does! Our job is to entertain the patient until He makes up his mind. " -?Dr. Red Duke Dudley Re: Religion Been there done that as in 'please don't have a pulse'. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos (Cell) LNMolino@... > I have seen *many* cases over the last 35 years where the families > were > praying, and the comment " My God! " uttered by any of the team > members was more > likely a prayer than a blasphemy. And in more than one case, it was > probably, and sadly, a prayer that we would fail to revive the > patient. > > ck > > > In a message dated 9/30/2009 07:45:19 Central Standard Time, > lnmolino@... writes: > > Rob said; > > And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't > have made any difference if I had > > The first may well be fact. The second is hard to prove in some folks > opinion. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Dudley, I think that can be applied to a lot of healthcare. (And a lot of things outside of healthcare.) Thanks for sharing this quote. Barry Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES Tobacco Prevention & Control Program Coordinator Substance Abuse Services Unit Mental Health and Substance Abuse Division ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of THEDUDMAN@... Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:57 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Religion I am using this in the signature line of my email currently: " EMS does not save lives. God does! Our job is to entertain the patient until He makes up his mind. " -?Dr. Red Duke Dudley Re: Religion Been there done that as in 'please don't have a pulse'. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos (Cell) LNMolino@... On Sep 30, 2009, at 8:50, krin135@... wrote: > I have seen *many* cases over the last 35 years where the families > were > praying, and the comment " My God! " uttered by any of the team > members was more > likely a prayer than a blasphemy. And in more than one case, it was > probably, and sadly, a prayer that we would fail to revive the > patient. > > ck > > > In a message dated 9/30/2009 07:45:19 Central Standard Time, > lnmolino@... writes: > > Rob said; > > And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't > have made any difference if I had > > The first may well be fact. The second is hard to prove in some folks > opinion. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 On Wednesday, September 30, 2009 08:50, krin135@... said: > I have seen *many* cases over the last 35 years where the families were > praying, and the comment " My God! " uttered by any of the team members was more > likely a prayer than a blasphemy. And in more than one case, it was > probably, and sadly, a prayer that we would fail to revive the patient. Fine point! " Success " is often hard to define. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Dudley, I noticed that tag line the other day and saved it for future use. Thought I would let you break it in first. Actually shared that with a few Medics today during lunch that were discussing CPR saves and past calls. When the conversation got around to " dead is dead " I thought it was a good time to slip in your tag line. Dr. Duke offer a lot of good quotes over the years. Offering thanks to Red Duke for the pearls of wisdom he cast. bkw ________________________________ To: texasems-l Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:56:52 AM Subject: Re: Religion I am using this in the signature line of my email currently: " EMS does not save lives. God does! Our job is to entertain the patient until He makes up his mind. " -?Dr. Red Duke Dudley Re: Religion Been there done that as in 'please don't have a pulse'. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/ EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos (Cell) LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) com > I have seen *many* cases over the last 35 years where the families > were > praying, and the comment " My God! " uttered by any of the team > members was more > likely a prayer than a blasphemy. And in more than one case, it was > probably, and sadly, a prayer that we would fail to revive the > patient. > > ck > > > In a message dated 9/30/2009 07:45:19 Central Standard Time, > lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) com writes: > > Rob said; > > And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't > have made any difference if I had > > The first may well be fact. The second is hard to prove in some folks > opinion. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 >>> " EMS does not save lives. God does! <<< Actually, God doesn't save lives either . . . he reschedules death. Kenny Navarro The Other Kenny in Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 That's good. Â I used to say that we don't save lives, we delay the inevitable until G** figures out if he wants them or not.... Hatfield " The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes www.michaelwhatfield.net Subject: Re: Religion To: texasems-l Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:41 PM Â >>> " EMS does not save lives. God does! <<< Actually, God doesn't save lives either . . . he reschedules death. Kenny Navarro The Other Kenny in Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Intresting discussion. In regards to Mr. Hatfield's quote, " I used to say that we don't save lives, we delay the inevitable until G** figures out if he wants them or not.... " I'm working as a medic, contracting for the US military in Kuwait. The word here is that in Kuwait, when one calls the country's equivalent of 911, there is a mandatory 20 minute waiting period before EMS is dispatched to give 'Allah' time to decide if the person, or persons, in need of assistance should live or die. We've been unable to confirm or deny the accuracy of this urban legend. Cheers, Cindy Poe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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