Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Between you and your God but never pushed to the patient as that's between him and his God Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 9/28/2009 7:59:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, paramedicboss1@... writes: Is there a place for religion in the back of an ambulance? Personally I always pray for assitance when treating a crtical Pt. EMT-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Now boys...... Religion and politics are best kept to one's self. GG > Â > Who mocked anyone? I just said I have never run a call in my career that > I felt was " tough " enough -- emotionally or otherwise -- to require divine > intervention. And my opinion was asked for just like yours was, so it is > just as valid. Before you go demanding respect, perhaps you should lead by > example. > > Rob > > On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:51, " " > said: > > > What!?!? I was talking about an emotionally " tough call " so if in 30 > > years you have not had a call that bothered you then don't comment an > > opinion was asked for I gave one have respect for other people and > > don't mock them!! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 In a message dated 9/28/2009 8:57:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, aggiesrwe03@... writes: And to clairify I NEVER push my beleifs on patients I'll pray with them if asked See I have issues with that. I don't pray a lot and I am a bit of a devout agnostic so I am not really " into " all that. I don't like " faking it " for the Patient's benefit as I think I am being a hypocrite to those times when I do get in a " mood " to have a conversation with whomever it is I am speaking to at those times when I get in that " mood " I kind of take those moments pretty seriously (to be frank they are usually low points of my life) as I am usually very much in the " mood " at that moment in time. I have done it and reconcile it to making my Patient feel better in their head if nowhere else. This is one of those very intense personal issues for all of us as humans I think. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I have prayed with patients At their request, no matter your belief there can often be comfort in prayer both for you and your patient as they say " there are no atheiests in foxholes " genericly speaking of course! - Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Sep 28, 2009, at 10:18, Paramedicboss1 paramedicboss1@...> wrote: > Is there a place for religion in the back of an ambulance? Personaly > I always pray for assitance when treating a crtical Pt. > > EMT-P > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I have prayed with patients At their request, no matter your belief there can often be comfort in prayer both for you and your patient as they say " there are no atheiests in foxholes " genericly speaking of course! - Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Sep 28, 2009, at 10:18, Paramedicboss1 paramedicboss1@...> wrote: > Is there a place for religion in the back of an ambulance? Personaly > I always pray for assitance when treating a crtical Pt. > > EMT-P > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I am not able to start a new thread from my blackberry for some reason, but this topic is suitable for my post. I believe in the power of prayer, but respect a patient's right to not have me impose my beliefs upon them. My service suffered a great loss today. Ron ston, a friend and employee, died today, apparently by his own hands. He did not arrive at work as scheduled(never happens), he did not answer phone calls, and when an off-duty supervisor went to his home, his body was discovered. I am asking for the prayers of everyone to help my team of kind and loving professionals cope with this terrible loss, as well as for Ron's family. I already have a cisd scheduled, but the days ahead will be hard for all involved, and we will all miss him. Thank You In Advance, Akin Akin Ambulance Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed Re: Religion I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I have prayed with patients At their request, no matter your belief there can often be comfort in prayer both for you and your patient as they say " there are no atheiests in foxholes " genericly speaking of course! - Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Sep 28, 2009, at 10:18, Paramedicboss1 paramedicboss1@...> wrote: > Is there a place for religion in the back of an ambulance? Personaly > I always pray for assitance when treating a crtical Pt. > > EMT-P > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I am not able to start a new thread from my blackberry for some reason, but this topic is suitable for my post. I believe in the power of prayer, but respect a patient's right to not have me impose my beliefs upon them. My service suffered a great loss today. Ron ston, a friend and employee, died today, apparently by his own hands. He did not arrive at work as scheduled(never happens), he did not answer phone calls, and when an off-duty supervisor went to his home, his body was discovered. I am asking for the prayers of everyone to help my team of kind and loving professionals cope with this terrible loss, as well as for Ron's family. I already have a cisd scheduled, but the days ahead will be hard for all involved, and we will all miss him. Thank You In Advance, Akin Akin Ambulance Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed Re: Religion I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I have prayed with patients At their request, no matter your belief there can often be comfort in prayer both for you and your patient as they say " there are no atheiests in foxholes " genericly speaking of course! - Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Sep 28, 2009, at 10:18, Paramedicboss1 paramedicboss1@...> wrote: > Is there a place for religion in the back of an ambulance? Personaly > I always pray for assitance when treating a crtical Pt. > > EMT-P > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I am not able to start a new thread from my blackberry for some reason, but this topic is suitable for my post. I believe in the power of prayer, but respect a patient's right to not have me impose my beliefs upon them. My service suffered a great loss today. Ron ston, a friend and employee, died today, apparently by his own hands. He did not arrive at work as scheduled(never happens), he did not answer phone calls, and when an off-duty supervisor went to his home, his body was discovered. I am asking for the prayers of everyone to help my team of kind and loving professionals cope with this terrible loss, as well as for Ron's family. I already have a cisd scheduled, but the days ahead will be hard for all involved, and we will all miss him. Thank You In Advance, Akin Akin Ambulance Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed Re: Religion I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I have prayed with patients At their request, no matter your belief there can often be comfort in prayer both for you and your patient as they say " there are no atheiests in foxholes " genericly speaking of course! - Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Sep 28, 2009, at 10:18, Paramedicboss1 paramedicboss1@...> wrote: > Is there a place for religion in the back of an ambulance? Personaly > I always pray for assitance when treating a crtical Pt. > > EMT-P > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:13, " " aggiesrwe03@...> said: > I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I have > prayed with patients At their request... If I ever have a " tough call " , I'll consider that. But in the last three decades, I have yet to have that " tough call " . Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:13, " " aggiesrwe03@...> said: > I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I have > prayed with patients At their request... If I ever have a " tough call " , I'll consider that. But in the last three decades, I have yet to have that " tough call " . Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 If my pt asks we talk or pray-whatever helps them but I try not to voice my beliefs first. Ht Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T Re: Religion I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I have prayed with patients At their request, no matter your belief there can often be comfort in prayer both for you and your patient as they say " there are no atheiests in foxholes " genericly speaking of course! - Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Sep 28, 2009, at 10:18, Paramedicboss1 paramedicboss1@...> wrote: > Is there a place for religion in the back of an ambulance? Personaly > I always pray for assitance when treating a crtical Pt. > > EMT-P > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 What!?!? I was talking about an emotionally " tough call " so if in 30 years you have not had a call that bothered you then don't comment an opinion was asked for I gave one have respect for other people and don't mock them!! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Sep 28, 2009, at 20:41, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:13, " " aggiesrwe03@... > > said: > > > I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I > have > > prayed with patients At their request... > > If I ever have a " tough call " , I'll consider that. But in the last > three decades, I have yet to have that " tough call " . > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 And to clairify I NEVER push my beleifs on patients I'll pray with them if asked -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Sep 28, 2009, at 20:41, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:13, " " aggiesrwe03@... > > said: > > > I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I > have > > prayed with patients At their request... > > If I ever have a " tough call " , I'll consider that. But in the last > three decades, I have yet to have that " tough call " . > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 And to clairify I NEVER push my beleifs on patients I'll pray with them if asked -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Sep 28, 2009, at 20:41, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:13, " " aggiesrwe03@... > > said: > > > I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I > have > > prayed with patients At their request... > > If I ever have a " tough call " , I'll consider that. But in the last > three decades, I have yet to have that " tough call " . > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 And to clairify I NEVER push my beleifs on patients I'll pray with them if asked -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Sep 28, 2009, at 20:41, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:13, " " aggiesrwe03@... > > said: > > > I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I > have > > prayed with patients At their request... > > If I ever have a " tough call " , I'll consider that. But in the last > three decades, I have yet to have that " tough call " . > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Can some of you guys run over to Arlington and give the Cowboy's some CPR??!! ________________________________ From: texasems-l texasems-l > To: texasems-l texasems-l > Sent: Mon Sep 28 20:51:49 2009 Subject: Re: Religion What!?!? I was talking about an emotionally " tough call " so if in 30 years you have not had a call that bothered you then don't comment an opinion was asked for I gave one have respect for other people and don't mock them!! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Sep 28, 2009, at 20:41, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:13, " " aggiesrwe03@... > > said: > > > I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I > have > > prayed with patients At their request... > > If I ever have a " tough call " , I'll consider that. But in the last > three decades, I have yet to have that " tough call " . > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Amen > > > On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:13, " " > > > said: > > > > > I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I > > have > > > prayed with patients At their request... > > > > If I ever have a " tough call " , I'll consider that. But in the last > > three decades, I have yet to have that " tough call " . > > > > Rob > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Who mocked anyone? I just said I have never run a call in my career that I felt was " tough " enough -- emotionally or otherwise -- to require divine intervention. And my opinion was asked for just like yours was, so it is just as valid. Before you go demanding respect, perhaps you should lead by example. Rob On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:51, " " aggiesrwe03@...> said: > What!?!? I was talking about an emotionally " tough call " so if in 30 > years you have not had a call that bothered you then don't comment an > opinion was asked for I gave one have respect for other people and > don't mock them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Well as a Chaplain and Paramedic for a transfer service, I see religion and prayer as an important topic to consider. Many of our patients that need the prayers, are in their older ages and have more devout set beliefs. In that they believe int he power of prayer more than that of todays youth and modernist. It has never hurt to just pray a Lords Prayer, or Psalm 21. If the patient feels better and it helps them to relax, then would that then make them a less critical patient becuase now they are not adding stress to themselves or to the crew. Many of the patients I deal with are End - Stage or Hospice Care patients. They know that they are close to dying, and if they need me to help them to prepare for the Sacrament of Death, should I not then listen to their Reconciliation and bless them? > > In a message dated 9/28/2009 8:57:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > aggiesrwe03@... writes: > > And to clairify I NEVER push my beleifs on patients I'll pray with them if > asked > > See I have issues with that. > > I don't pray a lot and I am a bit of a devout agnostic so I am not really > " into " all that. > > I don't like " faking it " for the Patient's benefit as I think I am being a > hypocrite to those times when I do get in a " mood " to have a conversation > with whomever it is I am speaking to at those times when I get in that > " mood " I kind of take those moments pretty seriously (to be frank they are > usually low points of my life) as I am usually very much in the " mood " at that > moment in time. > > I have done it and reconcile it to making my Patient feel better in their > head if nowhere else. > > This is one of those very intense personal issues for all of us as humans I > think. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant > > LNMolino@... > > (Cell Phone) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 dang, son! you've had a quiet life then. In *my* 35 plus years in the field, I figure I had at least one tough call a quarter...Of course, for the last 20 odd years, I've been the one who often has had to go in and tell a family that their loved one didn't make it.... ck In a message dated 9/28/2009 19:43:30 Central Standard Time, rob.davis@... writes: On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:13, " " <_aggiesrwe03@aggies_ (mailto:aggiesrwe03@...) > said: > I think there is I have not only prayed for help on tough calls I have > prayed with patients At their request... If I ever have a " tough call " , I'll consider that. But in the last three decades, I have yet to have that " tough call " . Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 My prayer was more on the order of " Let me do my best for this patient and family " rather than for direct miraculous intervention, but there were still plenty of tough calls where the patient or family needed prayers for *their* comfort. About the only time I remember directly praying *over* patients, were for those still-born infants where, as provided by law and custom, I provided a baptism for the family's comfort. ck In a message dated 9/29/2009 06:21:12 Central Standard Time, rob.davis@... writes: On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 06:56, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) said: > dang, son! you've had a quiet life then. In *my* 35 plus years in the > field, I figure I had at least one tough call a quarter...Of course, for the > last 20 odd years, I've been the one who often has had to go in and tell a > family that their loved one didn't make it.... Do you feel like prayer truly helped you with those calls? I've had plenty of challenging patients and situations. I've just never had what I would call a " tough call " that stressed me so much that I felt compelled to seek divine intervention. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 06:56, krin135@... said: > dang, son! you've had a quiet life then. In *my* 35 plus years in the > field, I figure I had at least one tough call a quarter...Of course, for the > last 20 odd years, I've been the one who often has had to go in and tell a > family that their loved one didn't make it.... Do you feel like prayer truly helped you with those calls? I've had plenty of challenging patients and situations. I've just never had what I would call a " tough call " that stressed me so much that I felt compelled to seek divine intervention. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 06:56, krin135@... said: > dang, son! you've had a quiet life then. In *my* 35 plus years in the > field, I figure I had at least one tough call a quarter...Of course, for the > last 20 odd years, I've been the one who often has had to go in and tell a > family that their loved one didn't make it.... Do you feel like prayer truly helped you with those calls? I've had plenty of challenging patients and situations. I've just never had what I would call a " tough call " that stressed me so much that I felt compelled to seek divine intervention. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 06:56, krin135@... said: > dang, son! you've had a quiet life then. In *my* 35 plus years in the > field, I figure I had at least one tough call a quarter...Of course, for the > last 20 odd years, I've been the one who often has had to go in and tell a > family that their loved one didn't make it.... Do you feel like prayer truly helped you with those calls? I've had plenty of challenging patients and situations. I've just never had what I would call a " tough call " that stressed me so much that I felt compelled to seek divine intervention. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I was just going to say the same thing. But someone always has to do it. Now for the next 3 weeks we will have a running gun battle over religion. Henry Re: Religion Now boys...... Religion and politics are best kept to one's self. GG > > Who mocked anyone? I just said I have never run a call in my career that > I felt was " tough " enough -- emotionally or otherwise -- to require divine > intervention. And my opinion was asked for just like yours was, so it is > just as valid. Before you go demanding respect, perhaps you should lead by > example. > > Rob > > On Monday, September 28, 2009 20:51, " " > said: > > > What!?!? I was talking about an emotionally " tough call " so if in 30 > > years you have not had a call that bothered you then don't comment an > > opinion was asked for I gave one have respect for other people and > > don't mock them!! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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