Re: Religion

[Guest guest]

OK, folks...lighten up! There is no reason to attack someone for their

'style' of caring, as long as they understand the need for compassionate care,

which I believe that Ron does.

each of us develops our own coping mechanisms to stay active and sane in

our field. I can understand Rob's point, as I have much the same

mechanism...that doesn't mean that I don't go back and agonize over what else I

might

have done to either improve the outcome or to ease the pain of a family.

ck

In a message dated 10/1/2009 09:45:23 Central Standard Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:15, " , Rick "

_rick.moore@..._ (mailto:rick.moore@...) > said:

> Exactly what part of ' statement indicated that he believes older

> patients are less worthy of care than younger patients?

Well, my statement was that I felt all human beings were worthy of the

same care and compassion. He specifically took issue with that belief, saying

he would hate for his kids to be cared for by someone who felt that way. It

logically follows that he believes I should feel more care and compassion

for children, as he himself does, does it not?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Amen, Amen, Amen!!!!!

Melinda M. Switzer

Area Safety Director

ETMC EMS

352 S. Glenwood

Tyler, Tx 75701

Office: 903 535-5836

Cell: 903 574-3217

Fax: 903 939-5790

" When we choose not to focus on what's missing from our lives but are grateful

for the abundance that's present... we experience heaven on earth. "

>>> knavarro141 kenneth.navarro@...> 9/30/2009 9:41 PM >>>

>>> " EMS does not save lives. God does! <<<

Actually, God doesn't save lives either . . . he reschedules death.

Kenny Navarro

The Other Kenny in Dallas

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[Guest guest]

Hi Cindy: In my experiences in Presidio,we have a long response time to some

collisions.I

call mine the Easter miracle.We had a patient involved in a rollover. he wasn;'t

found in Shafter for six hours.We got to him immediately and did our

treatment.He made it to Odessa.I honestly think the Lord had a hand in his

survival.We had a family of four who were involved in a rollover with a lot of

equipment in the car. Nobody was hurt in any way including a child.Much of the

equipment was heavy which could have caused injury.So again,I think the lord had

a hand in this too.I do feel the lord is there when he's needed.This prvoves to

me god is there among us.

                                              Regards,

                                                 Rick

                                          rabbiems

 

Subject: Re: re: religion

To: texasems-l

Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 4:19 AM

 

Intresting discussion.

In regards to Mr. Hatfield's quote, " I used to say that we don't save lives, we

delay the inevitable until G** figures out if he wants them or not.... "

I'm working as a medic, contracting for the US military in Kuwait. The word here

is that in Kuwait, when one calls the country's equivalent of 911, there is a

mandatory 20 minute waiting period before EMS is dispatched to give 'Allah' time

to decide if the person, or persons, in need of assistance should live or die.

We've been unable to confirm or deny the accuracy of this urban legend.

Cheers,

Cindy Poe

[Guest guest]

Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know as a father

of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of compassion, such as

yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my family for that matter.

Caring and compassion are cornerstones of the nursing profession. I know, my

wife is a nurse, and a very compassionate one. I must applaud your for your

service to our country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and

every child in you care is someone's baby.

Re: Religion

On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee " summedic@...> said:

> Never, really Rob?

Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the fact, but

never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like most partners I have

ever worked with, I have always had the ability to remain focused on the job at

hand and not get bogged down in side issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I

watched too much Mr. Spock as a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able

to do that.

To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and absolutely no

religious component. It's science and art. What happens, happens. What doesn't,

doesn't. My mind simply does not contemplate the greater cosmic, existential

significance of everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting all emotional

over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a child's life in no greater

value than any other. In fact, I'm probably more likely to be upset by the 95

year old suffering their final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets

ejected onto their head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die. Some were

friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to this day? You betcha.

But no, not a one of them shook me in any way that would affect or change the

way I responded. And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it

wouldn't have made any difference if I had.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know as a father

of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of compassion, such as

yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my family for that matter.

Caring and compassion are cornerstones of the nursing profession. I know, my

wife is a nurse, and a very compassionate one. I must applaud your for your

service to our country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and

every child in you care is someone's baby.

Re: Religion

On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee " summedic@...> said:

> Never, really Rob?

Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the fact, but

never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like most partners I have

ever worked with, I have always had the ability to remain focused on the job at

hand and not get bogged down in side issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I

watched too much Mr. Spock as a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able

to do that.

To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and absolutely no

religious component. It's science and art. What happens, happens. What doesn't,

doesn't. My mind simply does not contemplate the greater cosmic, existential

significance of everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting all emotional

over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a child's life in no greater

value than any other. In fact, I'm probably more likely to be upset by the 95

year old suffering their final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets

ejected onto their head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die. Some were

friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to this day? You betcha.

But no, not a one of them shook me in any way that would affect or change the

way I responded. And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it

wouldn't have made any difference if I had.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Well said .

Melinda M. Switzer

Area Safety Director

ETMC EMS

352 S. Glenwood

Tyler, Tx 75701

Office: 903 535-5836

Cell: 903 574-3217

Fax: 903 939-5790

" When we choose not to focus on what's missing from our lives but are grateful

for the abundance that's present... we experience heaven on earth. "

>>> " McGee " summedic@...> 10/1/2009 9:32 AM >>>

Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know as a father

of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of compassion, such as

yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my family for that matter.

Caring and compassion are cornerstones of the nursing profession. I know, my

wife is a nurse, and a very compassionate one. I must applaud your for your

service to our country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and

every child in you care is someone's baby.

Re: Religion

On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee " summedic@...> said:

> Never, really Rob?

Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the fact, but

never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like most partners I have

ever worked with, I have always had the ability to remain focused on the job at

hand and not get bogged down in side issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I

watched too much Mr. Spock as a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able

to do that.

To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and absolutely no

religious component. It's science and art. What happens, happens. What doesn't,

doesn't. My mind simply does not contemplate the greater cosmic, existential

significance of everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting all emotional

over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a child's life in no greater

value than any other. In fact, I'm probably more likely to be upset by the 95

year old suffering their final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets

ejected onto their head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die. Some were

friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to this day? You betcha.

But no, not a one of them shook me in any way that would affect or change the

way I responded. And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it

wouldn't have made any difference if I had.

Rob

[Guest guest]

On Thursday, October 1, 2009 09:32, " McGee " summedic@...> said:

> Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know as a

father

> of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of compassion, such as

> yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my family for that matter.

And I would hate to have someone such as yourself caring for my Grandmother,

with the attitude that she is somehow less worthy of care and compassion than a

younger person. It works both ways.

> Caring and compassion are cornerstones of the nursing profession. I know, my

wife is a

> nurse, and a very compassionate one.

Do not mistake an ability to control one's emotions with a lack of care or

compassion.

Rob

[Guest guest]

On Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:15, " , Rick " rick.moore@...>

said:

> Exactly what part of ' statement indicated that he believes older

> patients are less worthy of care than younger patients?

Well, my statement was that I felt all human beings were worthy of the same care

and compassion. He specifically took issue with that belief, saying he would

hate for his kids to be cared for by someone who felt that way. It logically

follows that he believes I should feel more care and compassion for children, as

he himself does, does it not?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Then we need to seperate religion from compassion......

 

Having been in a position of seriously requiring a skilled Doc and all the ER

had to offer, I was glad to get the crusty old guy who did nothing but but bark

orders and cuss. He got things done and saved my life.

 

I got the compassion of the ICU nurses.

 

Point being is that because I don't go the compassionate hand holding route,

doesn't mean I don't care, and certainly doesn't mean I don't do all I can to

ease the pain and suffering and make life a little better for all my patients.

 

I have to say that compassion does not save lives, skill, timing, equipment and

the knowledge of using said equipment saves lives. I too am a father of two

teenage boys who survived to their teens despite their best efforts, broken

bones, stitiches and heartaches. We survived those days because of the skill of

those that cared for them, the compassion they got was from their mother and I.

 

There is no right or wrong on this particular subject, if you choose to use

compassion, then do it wisely, if you choose NOT to, then do it with respect,

Rob is a bit rough around the edges (aren't you Rob), but his skills are

unquestionable.

 

I can debate religion in the back of the box, but only through private

email.......)

 

Do your job, do it well. Everything else is secondary.

" The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but

learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

www.michaelwhatfield.net

Subject: RE: Religion

To: texasems-l

Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 9:35 AM

 

Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know as a father

of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of compassion, such as

yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my family for that matter. Caring

and compassion are cornerstones of the nursing profession. I know, my wife is a

nurse, and a very compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and every child in

you care is someone's baby.

Re: Religion

On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee " said:

> Never, really Rob?

Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the fact, but

never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like most partners I have

ever worked with, I have always had the ability to remain focused on the job at

hand and not get bogged down in side issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I

watched too much Mr. Spock as a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able

to do that.

To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and absolutely no

religious component. It's science and art. What happens, happens. What doesn't,

doesn't. My mind simply does not contemplate the greater cosmic, existential

significance of everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting all emotional

over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a child's life in no greater

value than any other. In fact, I'm probably more likely to be upset by the 95

year old suffering their final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets

ejected onto their head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die. Some were

friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to this day? You betcha.

But no, not a one of them shook me in any way that would affect or change the

way I responded. And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it

wouldn't have made any difference if I had.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Then we need to seperate religion from compassion......

 

Having been in a position of seriously requiring a skilled Doc and all the ER

had to offer, I was glad to get the crusty old guy who did nothing but but bark

orders and cuss. He got things done and saved my life.

 

I got the compassion of the ICU nurses.

 

Point being is that because I don't go the compassionate hand holding route,

doesn't mean I don't care, and certainly doesn't mean I don't do all I can to

ease the pain and suffering and make life a little better for all my patients.

 

I have to say that compassion does not save lives, skill, timing, equipment and

the knowledge of using said equipment saves lives. I too am a father of two

teenage boys who survived to their teens despite their best efforts, broken

bones, stitiches and heartaches. We survived those days because of the skill of

those that cared for them, the compassion they got was from their mother and I.

 

There is no right or wrong on this particular subject, if you choose to use

compassion, then do it wisely, if you choose NOT to, then do it with respect,

Rob is a bit rough around the edges (aren't you Rob), but his skills are

unquestionable.

 

I can debate religion in the back of the box, but only through private

email.......)

 

Do your job, do it well. Everything else is secondary.

" The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but

learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

www.michaelwhatfield.net

Subject: RE: Religion

To: texasems-l

Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 9:35 AM

 

Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know as a father

of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of compassion, such as

yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my family for that matter. Caring

and compassion are cornerstones of the nursing profession. I know, my wife is a

nurse, and a very compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and every child in

you care is someone's baby.

Re: Religion

On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee " said:

> Never, really Rob?

Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the fact, but

never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like most partners I have

ever worked with, I have always had the ability to remain focused on the job at

hand and not get bogged down in side issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I

watched too much Mr. Spock as a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able

to do that.

To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and absolutely no

religious component. It's science and art. What happens, happens. What doesn't,

doesn't. My mind simply does not contemplate the greater cosmic, existential

significance of everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting all emotional

over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a child's life in no greater

value than any other. In fact, I'm probably more likely to be upset by the 95

year old suffering their final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets

ejected onto their head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die. Some were

friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to this day? You betcha.

But no, not a one of them shook me in any way that would affect or change the

way I responded. And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it

wouldn't have made any difference if I had.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Then we need to seperate religion from compassion......

 

Having been in a position of seriously requiring a skilled Doc and all the ER

had to offer, I was glad to get the crusty old guy who did nothing but but bark

orders and cuss. He got things done and saved my life.

 

I got the compassion of the ICU nurses.

 

Point being is that because I don't go the compassionate hand holding route,

doesn't mean I don't care, and certainly doesn't mean I don't do all I can to

ease the pain and suffering and make life a little better for all my patients.

 

I have to say that compassion does not save lives, skill, timing, equipment and

the knowledge of using said equipment saves lives. I too am a father of two

teenage boys who survived to their teens despite their best efforts, broken

bones, stitiches and heartaches. We survived those days because of the skill of

those that cared for them, the compassion they got was from their mother and I.

 

There is no right or wrong on this particular subject, if you choose to use

compassion, then do it wisely, if you choose NOT to, then do it with respect,

Rob is a bit rough around the edges (aren't you Rob), but his skills are

unquestionable.

 

I can debate religion in the back of the box, but only through private

email.......)

 

Do your job, do it well. Everything else is secondary.

" The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but

learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

www.michaelwhatfield.net

Subject: RE: Religion

To: texasems-l

Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 9:35 AM

 

Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know as a father

of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of compassion, such as

yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my family for that matter. Caring

and compassion are cornerstones of the nursing profession. I know, my wife is a

nurse, and a very compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and every child in

you care is someone's baby.

Re: Religion

On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee " said:

> Never, really Rob?

Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the fact, but

never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like most partners I have

ever worked with, I have always had the ability to remain focused on the job at

hand and not get bogged down in side issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I

watched too much Mr. Spock as a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able

to do that.

To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and absolutely no

religious component. It's science and art. What happens, happens. What doesn't,

doesn't. My mind simply does not contemplate the greater cosmic, existential

significance of everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting all emotional

over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a child's life in no greater

value than any other. In fact, I'm probably more likely to be upset by the 95

year old suffering their final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets

ejected onto their head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die. Some were

friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to this day? You betcha.

But no, not a one of them shook me in any way that would affect or change the

way I responded. And not one of them ever had me crying out for God. And it

wouldn't have made any difference if I had.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Ok different twist on the same question rather than pray for patients

does anyone else here pray for the safety of themselves and or thier

crew perhaps on the way to a call or while staging etc? I have a

practice of praying a short little prayer everytime I go to a fire or

anything that may put me directly in harms way ussually I do it while

I am putting my gear on I simply ask that God protect my crew/partner

and if something goes wrong my family is taken care of and comforted

in knowing that I was doing what I loved to do anyone else do that?

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone!

> Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know

> as a father of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of

> compassion, such as yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my

> family for that matter. Caring and compassion are cornerstones of

> the nursing profession. I know, my wife is a nurse, and a very

> compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

> country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and

> every child in you care is someone's baby.

>

>

>

> Re: Religion

>

> On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee " summedic@...

> > said:

>

> > Never, really Rob?

>

> Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the

> fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like

> most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability

> to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side

> issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as

> a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that.

>

> To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and

> absolutely no religious component. It's science and art. What

> happens, happens. What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not

> contemplate the greater cosmic, existential significance of

> everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

>

> As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting

> all emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a

> child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm

> probably more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their

> final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their

> head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

> Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

>

> In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die.

> Some were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to

> this day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way

> that would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them

> ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any

> difference if I had.

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bill Moyers was Lyndon 's press secretary. One day at a cabinet

meeting, asked Moyers to lead the group in prayer.

As Moyers began, the President said, " Speak up, Bill; I can't hear you. "

Moyers replied, " I'm not talking to you, Mr. President. "

GG

>  

> I pray. I cry, too.

>

> I just rarely do it in public.

>

> Religion is an intensely personal thing. I don't presume to share mine

> with others, unless they openly invite it. And if I'm treating an

> atheist, I remind myself that people can behave with compassion and

> empathy without believing in a God. So, out of respect for them, I keep

> my mouth shut about my religious beliefs.

>

> " And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for

> they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the

> streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have

> their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and

> when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and

> thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. " - 6:

> 5-6

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Ok different twist on the same question rather than pray for patients

> > does anyone else here pray for the safety of themselves and or thier

> > crew perhaps on the way to a call or while staging etc? I have a

> > practice of praying a short little prayer everytime I go to a fire or

> > anything that may put me directly in harms way ussually I do it while

> > I am putting my gear on I simply ask that God protect my crew/partner

> > and if something goes wrong my family is taken care of and comforted

> > in knowing that I was doing what I loved to do anyone else do that?

> >

> > -Chris

> >

> > Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone!

> >

> > On Oct 1, 2009, at 9:32, McGee summedic@...

> > > wrote:

> >

> > > Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know

> > > as a father of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of

> > > compassion, such as yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my

> > > family for that matter. Caring and compassion are cornerstones of

> > > the nursing profession. I know, my wife is a nurse, and a very

> > > compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

> > > country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and

> > > every child in you care is someone's baby.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: Religion

> > >

> > > On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee "

> > summedic@...

> > > > said:

> > >

> > > > Never, really Rob?

> > >

> > > Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the

> > > fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like

> > > most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability

> > > to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side

> > > issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as

> > > a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that.

> > >

> > > To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and

> > > absolutely no religious component. It's science and art. What

> > > happens, happens. What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not

> > > contemplate the greater cosmic, existential significance of

> > > everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

> > >

> > > As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting

> > > all emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a

> > > child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm

> > > probably more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their

> > > final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their

> > > head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

> > > Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

> > >

> > > In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die.

> > > Some were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to

> > > this day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way

> > > that would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them

> > > ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any

> > > difference if I had.

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Bill Moyers was Lyndon 's press secretary. One day at a cabinet

meeting, asked Moyers to lead the group in prayer.

As Moyers began, the President said, " Speak up, Bill; I can't hear you. "

Moyers replied, " I'm not talking to you, Mr. President. "

GG

>  

> I pray. I cry, too.

>

> I just rarely do it in public.

>

> Religion is an intensely personal thing. I don't presume to share mine

> with others, unless they openly invite it. And if I'm treating an

> atheist, I remind myself that people can behave with compassion and

> empathy without believing in a God. So, out of respect for them, I keep

> my mouth shut about my religious beliefs.

>

> " And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for

> they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the

> streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have

> their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and

> when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and

> thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. " - 6:

> 5-6

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Ok different twist on the same question rather than pray for patients

> > does anyone else here pray for the safety of themselves and or thier

> > crew perhaps on the way to a call or while staging etc? I have a

> > practice of praying a short little prayer everytime I go to a fire or

> > anything that may put me directly in harms way ussually I do it while

> > I am putting my gear on I simply ask that God protect my crew/partner

> > and if something goes wrong my family is taken care of and comforted

> > in knowing that I was doing what I loved to do anyone else do that?

> >

> > -Chris

> >

> > Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone!

> >

> > On Oct 1, 2009, at 9:32, McGee summedic@...

> > > wrote:

> >

> > > Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know

> > > as a father of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of

> > > compassion, such as yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my

> > > family for that matter. Caring and compassion are cornerstones of

> > > the nursing profession. I know, my wife is a nurse, and a very

> > > compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

> > > country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and

> > > every child in you care is someone's baby.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: Religion

> > >

> > > On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee "

> > summedic@...

> > > > said:

> > >

> > > > Never, really Rob?

> > >

> > > Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the

> > > fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like

> > > most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability

> > > to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side

> > > issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as

> > > a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that.

> > >

> > > To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and

> > > absolutely no religious component. It's science and art. What

> > > happens, happens. What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not

> > > contemplate the greater cosmic, existential significance of

> > > everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

> > >

> > > As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting

> > > all emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a

> > > child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm

> > > probably more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their

> > > final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their

> > > head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

> > > Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

> > >

> > > In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die.

> > > Some were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to

> > > this day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way

> > > that would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them

> > > ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any

> > > difference if I had.

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Bill Moyers was Lyndon 's press secretary. One day at a cabinet

meeting, asked Moyers to lead the group in prayer.

As Moyers began, the President said, " Speak up, Bill; I can't hear you. "

Moyers replied, " I'm not talking to you, Mr. President. "

GG

>  

> I pray. I cry, too.

>

> I just rarely do it in public.

>

> Religion is an intensely personal thing. I don't presume to share mine

> with others, unless they openly invite it. And if I'm treating an

> atheist, I remind myself that people can behave with compassion and

> empathy without believing in a God. So, out of respect for them, I keep

> my mouth shut about my religious beliefs.

>

> " And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for

> they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the

> streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have

> their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and

> when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and

> thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. " - 6:

> 5-6

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Ok different twist on the same question rather than pray for patients

> > does anyone else here pray for the safety of themselves and or thier

> > crew perhaps on the way to a call or while staging etc? I have a

> > practice of praying a short little prayer everytime I go to a fire or

> > anything that may put me directly in harms way ussually I do it while

> > I am putting my gear on I simply ask that God protect my crew/partner

> > and if something goes wrong my family is taken care of and comforted

> > in knowing that I was doing what I loved to do anyone else do that?

> >

> > -Chris

> >

> > Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone!

> >

> > On Oct 1, 2009, at 9:32, McGee summedic@...

> > > wrote:

> >

> > > Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know

> > > as a father of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of

> > > compassion, such as yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my

> > > family for that matter. Caring and compassion are cornerstones of

> > > the nursing profession. I know, my wife is a nurse, and a very

> > > compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

> > > country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and

> > > every child in you care is someone's baby.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: Religion

> > >

> > > On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee "

> > summedic@...

> > > > said:

> > >

> > > > Never, really Rob?

> > >

> > > Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the

> > > fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like

> > > most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability

> > > to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side

> > > issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as

> > > a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that.

> > >

> > > To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and

> > > absolutely no religious component. It's science and art. What

> > > happens, happens. What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not

> > > contemplate the greater cosmic, existential significance of

> > > everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

> > >

> > > As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting

> > > all emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a

> > > child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm

> > > probably more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their

> > > final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their

> > > head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

> > > Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

> > >

> > > In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die.

> > > Some were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to

> > > this day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way

> > > that would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them

> > > ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any

> > > difference if I had.

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

, adopting a calm, professional and stoic demeanor does not equate

to a lack of compassion. Professional distance does not equate to cruelty.

I'm the most placid guy you'll ever meet on a scene... when it suits my

purpose.

I'm the silliest 40-year-old you've ever met when treating a scared

toddler... when it suits my purpose.

I'm a stern, no nonsense authority figure... when it suits my purpose.

I'm a compassionate hand-holder... if hand-holding is the most important

treatment I can provide.

I'm the cocky, supremely arrogant pro from Dover... if I think the

family and my team can draw strength from that.

I'm the comic relief, quick to crack an outrageous joke... if I think it

will keep everyone loose and make them perform better.

Not feeling compassion is the mark of a sociopath, and while I'll agree

that Rob can be a prick sometimes (as can I, which is why I'm not shy

about saying it, Rob), I hardly think he's a sociopath. More likely,

he's developed the ability to compartmentalize and cultivate some

professional distance. It may not be your way or my way, but it's *his*

way, and if it allows him to provide quality medical care, more power to

him.

If my kid were deathly ill or injured, I'd have no problem letting Rob

treat her.

McGee wrote:

>

> Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know as

> a father of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of

> compassion, such as yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my

> family for that matter. Caring and compassion are cornerstones of the

> nursing profession. I know, my wife is a nurse, and a very

> compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

> country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and every

> child in you care is someone's baby.

>

>

>

> Re: Religion

>

> On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee "

> summedic@... > said:

>

> > Never, really Rob?

>

> Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the

> fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like

> most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability

> to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side

> issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as a

> kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that.

>

> To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and absolutely

> no religious component. It's science and art. What happens, happens.

> What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not contemplate the greater

> cosmic, existential significance of everything that happens. It just

> accepts it and moves forward.

>

> As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting all

> emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a

> child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm probably

> more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their final days

> than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their head. That's

> exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty. Watching them die all

> day long doesn't faze me a bit.

>

> In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die. Some

> were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to this

> day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way that

> would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them ever

> had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any difference if

> I had.

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

, adopting a calm, professional and stoic demeanor does not equate

to a lack of compassion. Professional distance does not equate to cruelty.

I'm the most placid guy you'll ever meet on a scene... when it suits my

purpose.

I'm the silliest 40-year-old you've ever met when treating a scared

toddler... when it suits my purpose.

I'm a stern, no nonsense authority figure... when it suits my purpose.

I'm a compassionate hand-holder... if hand-holding is the most important

treatment I can provide.

I'm the cocky, supremely arrogant pro from Dover... if I think the

family and my team can draw strength from that.

I'm the comic relief, quick to crack an outrageous joke... if I think it

will keep everyone loose and make them perform better.

Not feeling compassion is the mark of a sociopath, and while I'll agree

that Rob can be a prick sometimes (as can I, which is why I'm not shy

about saying it, Rob), I hardly think he's a sociopath. More likely,

he's developed the ability to compartmentalize and cultivate some

professional distance. It may not be your way or my way, but it's *his*

way, and if it allows him to provide quality medical care, more power to

him.

If my kid were deathly ill or injured, I'd have no problem letting Rob

treat her.

McGee wrote:

>

> Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know as

> a father of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of

> compassion, such as yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my

> family for that matter. Caring and compassion are cornerstones of the

> nursing profession. I know, my wife is a nurse, and a very

> compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

> country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and every

> child in you care is someone's baby.

>

>

>

> Re: Religion

>

> On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee "

> summedic@... > said:

>

> > Never, really Rob?

>

> Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the

> fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like

> most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability

> to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side

> issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as a

> kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that.

>

> To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and absolutely

> no religious component. It's science and art. What happens, happens.

> What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not contemplate the greater

> cosmic, existential significance of everything that happens. It just

> accepts it and moves forward.

>

> As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting all

> emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a

> child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm probably

> more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their final days

> than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their head. That's

> exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty. Watching them die all

> day long doesn't faze me a bit.

>

> In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die. Some

> were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to this

> day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way that

> would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them ever

> had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any difference if

> I had.

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

, adopting a calm, professional and stoic demeanor does not equate

to a lack of compassion. Professional distance does not equate to cruelty.

I'm the most placid guy you'll ever meet on a scene... when it suits my

purpose.

I'm the silliest 40-year-old you've ever met when treating a scared

toddler... when it suits my purpose.

I'm a stern, no nonsense authority figure... when it suits my purpose.

I'm a compassionate hand-holder... if hand-holding is the most important

treatment I can provide.

I'm the cocky, supremely arrogant pro from Dover... if I think the

family and my team can draw strength from that.

I'm the comic relief, quick to crack an outrageous joke... if I think it

will keep everyone loose and make them perform better.

Not feeling compassion is the mark of a sociopath, and while I'll agree

that Rob can be a prick sometimes (as can I, which is why I'm not shy

about saying it, Rob), I hardly think he's a sociopath. More likely,

he's developed the ability to compartmentalize and cultivate some

professional distance. It may not be your way or my way, but it's *his*

way, and if it allows him to provide quality medical care, more power to

him.

If my kid were deathly ill or injured, I'd have no problem letting Rob

treat her.

McGee wrote:

>

> Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know as

> a father of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of

> compassion, such as yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my

> family for that matter. Caring and compassion are cornerstones of the

> nursing profession. I know, my wife is a nurse, and a very

> compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

> country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and every

> child in you care is someone's baby.

>

>

>

> Re: Religion

>

> On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee "

> summedic@... > said:

>

> > Never, really Rob?

>

> Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the

> fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like

> most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability

> to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side

> issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as a

> kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that.

>

> To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and absolutely

> no religious component. It's science and art. What happens, happens.

> What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not contemplate the greater

> cosmic, existential significance of everything that happens. It just

> accepts it and moves forward.

>

> As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting all

> emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a

> child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm probably

> more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their final days

> than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their head. That's

> exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty. Watching them die all

> day long doesn't faze me a bit.

>

> In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die. Some

> were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to this

> day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way that

> would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them ever

> had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any difference if

> I had.

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

I pray. I cry, too.

I just rarely do it in public.

Religion is an intensely personal thing. I don't presume to share mine

with others, unless they openly invite it. And if I'm treating an

atheist, I remind myself that people can behave with compassion and

empathy without believing in a God. So, out of respect for them, I keep

my mouth shut about my religious beliefs.

" And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for

they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the

streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have

their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and

when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and

thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. " - 6: 5-6

wrote:

>

> Ok different twist on the same question rather than pray for patients

> does anyone else here pray for the safety of themselves and or thier

> crew perhaps on the way to a call or while staging etc? I have a

> practice of praying a short little prayer everytime I go to a fire or

> anything that may put me directly in harms way ussually I do it while

> I am putting my gear on I simply ask that God protect my crew/partner

> and if something goes wrong my family is taken care of and comforted

> in knowing that I was doing what I loved to do anyone else do that?

>

> -Chris

>

> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone!

>

> On Oct 1, 2009, at 9:32, McGee summedic@...

> > wrote:

>

> > Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know

> > as a father of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of

> > compassion, such as yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my

> > family for that matter. Caring and compassion are cornerstones of

> > the nursing profession. I know, my wife is a nurse, and a very

> > compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

> > country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and

> > every child in you care is someone's baby.

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: Religion

> >

> > On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee "

> summedic@...

> > > said:

> >

> > > Never, really Rob?

> >

> > Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the

> > fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like

> > most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability

> > to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side

> > issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as

> > a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that.

> >

> > To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and

> > absolutely no religious component. It's science and art. What

> > happens, happens. What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not

> > contemplate the greater cosmic, existential significance of

> > everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

> >

> > As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting

> > all emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a

> > child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm

> > probably more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their

> > final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their

> > head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

> > Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

> >

> > In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die.

> > Some were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to

> > this day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way

> > that would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them

> > ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any

> > difference if I had.

> >

> > Rob

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I pray. I cry, too.

I just rarely do it in public.

Religion is an intensely personal thing. I don't presume to share mine

with others, unless they openly invite it. And if I'm treating an

atheist, I remind myself that people can behave with compassion and

empathy without believing in a God. So, out of respect for them, I keep

my mouth shut about my religious beliefs.

" And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for

they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the

streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have

their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and

when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and

thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. " - 6: 5-6

wrote:

>

> Ok different twist on the same question rather than pray for patients

> does anyone else here pray for the safety of themselves and or thier

> crew perhaps on the way to a call or while staging etc? I have a

> practice of praying a short little prayer everytime I go to a fire or

> anything that may put me directly in harms way ussually I do it while

> I am putting my gear on I simply ask that God protect my crew/partner

> and if something goes wrong my family is taken care of and comforted

> in knowing that I was doing what I loved to do anyone else do that?

>

> -Chris

>

> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone!

>

> On Oct 1, 2009, at 9:32, McGee summedic@...

> > wrote:

>

> > Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know

> > as a father of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of

> > compassion, such as yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my

> > family for that matter. Caring and compassion are cornerstones of

> > the nursing profession. I know, my wife is a nurse, and a very

> > compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

> > country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and

> > every child in you care is someone's baby.

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: Religion

> >

> > On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee "

> summedic@...

> > > said:

> >

> > > Never, really Rob?

> >

> > Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the

> > fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like

> > most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability

> > to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side

> > issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as

> > a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that.

> >

> > To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and

> > absolutely no religious component. It's science and art. What

> > happens, happens. What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not

> > contemplate the greater cosmic, existential significance of

> > everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

> >

> > As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting

> > all emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a

> > child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm

> > probably more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their

> > final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their

> > head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

> > Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

> >

> > In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die.

> > Some were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to

> > this day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way

> > that would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them

> > ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any

> > difference if I had.

> >

> > Rob

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I pray. I cry, too.

I just rarely do it in public.

Religion is an intensely personal thing. I don't presume to share mine

with others, unless they openly invite it. And if I'm treating an

atheist, I remind myself that people can behave with compassion and

empathy without believing in a God. So, out of respect for them, I keep

my mouth shut about my religious beliefs.

" And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for

they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the

streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have

their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and

when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and

thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. " - 6: 5-6

wrote:

>

> Ok different twist on the same question rather than pray for patients

> does anyone else here pray for the safety of themselves and or thier

> crew perhaps on the way to a call or while staging etc? I have a

> practice of praying a short little prayer everytime I go to a fire or

> anything that may put me directly in harms way ussually I do it while

> I am putting my gear on I simply ask that God protect my crew/partner

> and if something goes wrong my family is taken care of and comforted

> in knowing that I was doing what I loved to do anyone else do that?

>

> -Chris

>

> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone!

>

> On Oct 1, 2009, at 9:32, McGee summedic@...

> > wrote:

>

> > Wow, really Rob? I am so sorry that you have that attitude. I know

> > as a father of 4 kids, I would hate to have someone with a lack of

> > compassion, such as yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my

> > family for that matter. Caring and compassion are cornerstones of

> > the nursing profession. I know, my wife is a nurse, and a very

> > compassionate one. I must applaud your for your service to our

> > country. I thank you for that, but please remember that each and

> > every child in you care is someone's baby.

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: Religion

> >

> > On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee "

> summedic@...

> > > said:

> >

> > > Never, really Rob?

> >

> > Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the

> > fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like

> > most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability

> > to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side

> > issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as

> > a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that.

> >

> > To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and

> > absolutely no religious component. It's science and art. What

> > happens, happens. What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not

> > contemplate the greater cosmic, existential significance of

> > everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

> >

> > As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting

> > all emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a

> > child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm

> > probably more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their

> > final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their

> > head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

> > Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

> >

> > In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die.

> > Some were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to

> > this day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way

> > that would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them

> > ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any

> > difference if I had.

> >

> > Rob

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Enough said Gene. Let my appologize to the group if I offened anyone, that was

never my intention. I agree, religion and compassion are seperate. Hopefully

we all treat our patients with compassion. After all, that is why we got into

this profession in the first place, we wanted to help when help was needed. It

certainly wasn't for the money.

Re: Religion

> > >

> > > On Tuesday, September 29, 2009 14:34, " McGee "

> > summedic@...

> > > > said:

> > >

> > > > Never, really Rob?

> > >

> > > Never. Not once. I've had a few come back to haunt me long after the

> > > fact, but never one that shook me during the incident itself. Like

> > > most partners I have ever worked with, I have always had the ability

> > > to remain focused on the job at hand and not get bogged down in side

> > > issues like emotions. I dunno, maybe I watched too much Mr. Spock as

> > > a kid, but I know I'm not the only one who is able to do that.

> > >

> > > To me there is very little emotional component to EMS, and

> > > absolutely no religious component. It's science and art. What

> > > happens, happens. What doesn't, doesn't. My mind simply does not

> > > contemplate the greater cosmic, existential significance of

> > > everything that happens. It just accepts it and moves forward.

> > >

> > > As for children, I've never understood the nonsense about getting

> > > all emotional over them. A human life is a human life, and I hold a

> > > child's life in no greater value than any other. In fact, I'm

> > > probably more likely to be upset by the 95 year old suffering their

> > > final days than the 3 year old who drowns or gets ejected onto their

> > > head. That's exactly why I chose paediatrics as a specialty.

> > > Watching them die all day long doesn't faze me a bit.

> > >

> > > In three tours in Iraq, I watched a lot of people suffer and die.

> > > Some were friends. Did it upset me? Of course. Does it upset me to

> > > this day? You betcha. But no, not a one of them shook me in any way

> > > that would affect or change the way I responded. And not one of them

> > > ever had me crying out for God. And it wouldn't have made any

> > > difference if I had.

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

>>> . . . I would hate to have someone with a lack of compassion, such as

yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my family for that matter. <<<

Rob,

If I (or any member of my family) ever needed emergency medical care, I would

have no problem with you being my paramedic.

Just don't call a helicopter for me when you can get me to the hospital faster

by ground.

Kenny Navarro

Dallas

[Guest guest]

Kenny said.....

Just don't call a helicopter for me when you can get me to the

hospital faster by ground.

Finnally something that's nit gonna stir any Killer Bee nests.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Oct 1, 2009, at 21:43, " knavarro141 " kenneth.navarro@...

> wrote:

> >>> . . . I would hate to have someone with a lack of compassion,

> such as yourself, caring for my children or anyone in my family for

> that matter. <<<

>

> Rob,

>

> If I (or any member of my family) ever needed emergency medical

> care, I would have no problem with you being my paramedic.

>

> Just don't call a helicopter for me when you can get me to the

> hospital faster by ground.

>

> Kenny Navarro

> Dallas

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Thursday, October 1, 2009 20:36, " McGee " summedic@...> said:

> Enough said Gene. Let my appologize to the group if I offened anyone, that

was

> never my intention. I agree, religion and compassion are seperate.

No offence taken, Bro! I realise that I was being misunderstood. I only hope

that it is clear, as explained, that one need not cry or pry in order to

care compassionately about his or her patients.

's acknowledgment of our varying coping mechanisms actually illuminates a

very similar point that, in honour of Mr. Bledson's departure, I would like to

mention. The fact that there is no one right way to deal with the stressors of

this job is the very reason why CISD is bogus. You cannot apply a " protocol "

approach to managing stress, much less to inoculate them against it. Each

person has to work it out.

Rob