Re: my autistic son's dentistry: amalgam and/or fluoride?

[Guest guest]

Margret, Something to think about: all of my sons tooth decay was

from yeast over growth- after we treated the yeast - no cavities in

3 years- ( before we treated the yeast 4 root canels 2 teeth

pulled ) Ann

[Guest guest]

What do you mean they are only allowed to use amalgam in back teeth--

because of the free dental treatment limitations? I just would NOT

NOT NOT NOT NOT ever do an amalgam filling in the child. I'd rather

lose a tooth than have it filled with amalgam. The fact that he

grinds it makes it even more imperative that you don't put the

amalgam in. Every day he'd be grinding more micrograms of mercury

into his system...

I personally will not use sealants on my kids teeth. Think of it

this way-- it's a chemical. My kid is (probably other kids are, too)

chemically sensitive, so why would I put a chemical into his mouth

that sits there 24-7, 365 days a year?? Yikes.

Kids with sealants still end up with cavities too if they don't brush

well.

Try to work on something else besides the bottle of rice milk at

night. Melatonin? Gaba? Valerian? Anything.

W

> My little boy (4) has no fillings. We don't use fluoride

toothpaste.

[Guest guest]

Does anyone have any suggestions on a nutritional drink besides a high

carb drink (rice milk, nut milk, or potato milk?) My son's are so

limited with their diet. We are running out of options. I would love to

get them on water, but it is so hard. My 3 yr old is refusing all meats,

and is allergic to nuts and beans, so his protein intake is poor.

However, he has an IgG allergy to every milk available at the health food

store. So, I am considering seeing a pharmacist friend who compounds to

see if we could work out a compounded nutritional shake. Any suggestions

would be highly appreciated.

Both of my boys lost their diagnosis, but have all the biological

abnormalities, and food, chemical, and environmental illness.

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You couldn't pay me to get amalgam. " Free " up-front dental care which causes

untold future " costs " both monetary and in health is not worth it.

S

>

My little boy (4) has no fillings. We don't use fluoride toothpaste. <BR>

He has a bottle of rice milk at night (helps him get off to sleep). <BR>

When the day comes when he might need a filling he will need to be <BR>

treated either heavily-sedated or under general anaesthetic. As he <BR>

is a child and we are in the UK he is entitled to free dental <BR>

treatment. But the problem is, they are only allowed to use amalgam <BR>

in back teeth. We don't have any private health insurance, so if he <BR>

ever needs a filling in a back tooth (very likely), to do it <BR>

privately, with an anaesthetist, would be prohibitively expensive. <BR>

(They won't let you just meet the extra cost of composite over <BR>

amalgam - a completely mad situation.)<BR>

<BR>

If he gets bad tooth decay in a milk tooth, would it be OK to <BR>

extract it?<BR>

<BR>

When it comes to his permanent dentition, might it be worth sealing <BR>

each tooth with fluoride as it comes through, in the hope of <BR>

preventing later decay? Otherwise, if he gets problems with his back <BR>

teeth, would it be better to extract them, rather than have <BR>

amalgams? (Of course, I would try to find the money for composite <BR>

fillings, but if I could not..?) He grinds his teeth by the way, and <BR>

is autistic, with known heavy metal problems.<BR>

<BR>

Thankyou to anyone who replies,<BR>

Margaret<BR>

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My sisster makes sunflower seed milk. Millet has fairly high protein content

though I don't know if one can make a milk of it. I just read the other day

that bamboo shoots have fairly high protein content, again don't know about the

milk. Do his nut allergies include coconut milk? It's reportedly quite high in

nutrients. I always like banana smoothies. One can add various berries or

other fruit for variety and water them down if preferred.

S

>

Does anyone have any suggestions on a nutritional drink besides a high<BR>

carb drink (rice milk, nut milk, or potato milk?)  My son's are so<BR>

limited with their diet.  We are running out of options.  I would love to<BR>

get them on water, but it is so hard.  My 3 yr old is refusing all meats,<BR>

and is allergic to nuts and beans, so his protein intake is poor. <BR>

However, he has an IgG allergy to every milk available at the health food<BR>

store.  So, I am considering seeing a pharmacist friend who compounds to<BR>

see if we could work out a compounded nutritional shake.  Any suggestions<BR>

would be highly appreciated.  <BR>

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Both of my boys lost their diagnosis, but have all the biological<BR>

abnormalities, and food, chemical, and environmental illness.  <BR>

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Try NAET or BioSET to help them with their allergies.

Similar to our situation-- Ethan fits in with other kids...no one

knows anything otherwise, but he's got food/chemical/environmental

problems.

NAET/Bioset have HELPED quite a bit but I don't believe the results

will " stick " until the metals are out.

W

> uts and beans, so his protein intake is poor.

> However, he has an IgG allergy to every milk available at the

health food

> store. So, I am considering seeing a pharmacist friend who

compounds to

> see if we could work out a compounded nutritional shake. Any

suggestions

> would be highly appreciated.

>

> Both of my boys lost their diagnosis, but have all the biological

> abnormalities, and food, chemical, and environmental illness.

>

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I find it absolutely appalling that not only are they willing to

place the poison in the childs mouth, but they will make it as hard

as possible to avoid. Disgusting.

I just had to say that.

[Guest guest]

I agree. The metals cause a lot of problems. However, I am at a loss

for chelating until I can get the mitochondria disorder under control. I

think if we can balance the GI issues, the lactic acid level will

decrease. The GI pathogens give off lactic acid, also, contributing to

the mitochondria disorder.

If or Andy have any comments, I would appreciate their help. We

have two boys who are considered to be recovered from the symptoms of

autism, but their health is so compromised.

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Sam had 3 out, the Community Dentist would have put composites in for me if I

had wanted to have intubated for a long procedure. I think he was getting

pain from them, it was after improvements with enzymes and chelation that he was

actually letting me clean them half way properly and I could see the decay. I

decided if they had got to the stage of pain then it was likely that any

drilling and filling would have probably 'killed' the tooth nerve wise which

could

then mean likley issues with an abcess and subsequent extraction anyways.

Early extraction of baby teeth can cause issues later with spacing for the

permenant ones. Sam has good spacing on the baby teeth and his Dad still has 2

baby teeth at 43, so there is family histiory of missing premolars. I'm keeping

my fingers crossed

MAndi in UK

> If he gets bad tooth decay in a milk tooth, would it be OK to

> extract it?

>

[Guest guest]

Don't extract milk teeth unless absolutely necessary. The teeth then

start to move around and the adult teeth may come in wrong, crooked etc....

Tooth decay is caused by acid conditions in the mouth. Flouride

toothpaste doesn't do anything so you don't need it or flouride

treatments. My 4 1/2 year old started to have tooth decay when he was 2

on his two front teeth - a small gap. We took away the bottles and it

stopped spreading, but the gap remained. We recently stopped using

flouride toothpaste and started using a herbal one - Miswak or

something. His tooth is filling in again - might not be due to the

toothpaste. You shouldn't get fillings at all, just ensure that there

is enough calcium and other nutriets in the mouth and the teeth will

re-enamel.

I did quite a bit of studying on teeth. A couple sites to read are

www.chetday.com and also on oramedia.com

(not sure about this one - look at articles on Chet Day's site and

follow links to it. It has lots of info on teeth and what to do) There

are apparently sprays you can buy in the US that help with re-enameling

etc....

I made a herbal tooth remedy that I use on my 2 year old girl. (Got the

recipe from a old herb book) She likes it - it has helped her front

tooth re-enamel - it is antibacterial contains lots of nutrients. (Her

problem is that she hates having her teeth brushed.) But most kids

probably wouldn't like it - my older boys won't let me use it on them at

all.

Abby

mcollins2001uk wrote:

> My little boy (4) has no fillings. We don't use fluoride toothpaste.

> He has a bottle of rice milk at night (helps him get off to sleep).

> When the day comes when he might need a filling he will need to be

> treated either heavily-sedated or under general anaesthetic. As he

> is a child and we are in the UK he is entitled to free dental

> treatment. But the problem is, they are only allowed to use amalgam

> in back teeth. We don't have any private health insurance, so if he

> ever needs a filling in a back tooth (very likely), to do it

> privately, with an anaesthetist, would be prohibitively expensive.

> (They won't let you just meet the extra cost of composite over

> amalgam - a completely mad situation.)

>

> If he gets bad tooth decay in a milk tooth, would it be OK to

> extract it?

>

> When it comes to his permanent dentition, might it be worth sealing

> each tooth with fluoride as it comes through, in the hope of

> preventing later decay? Otherwise, if he gets problems with his back

> teeth, would it be better to extract them, rather than have

> amalgams? (Of course, I would try to find the money for composite

> fillings, but if I could not..?) He grinds his teeth by the way, and

> is autistic, with known heavy metal problems.

>

> Thankyou to anyone who replies,

> Margaret

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

I would be very interested to know how you make your herbal tooth remedy.

Dagmar.

I made a herbal tooth remedy that I use on my 2 year old girl. (Got the

recipe from a old herb book) She likes it - it has helped her front

tooth re-enamel - it is antibacterial contains lots of nutrients. (Her

problem is that she hates having her teeth brushed.) But most kids

probably wouldn't like it - my older boys won't let me use it on them at

all.

[Guest guest]

I understand your situation. Given the economic realities, I would encourage you

to think about prevention of tooth decay. Fluoride does help prevent tooth

decay, but if you are concerned about using it (as many in our chat group are),

then I would use a toothpaste without it). The rice milk concerns me since it is

very cariogenoic (It supports the tooth decay process.) I am not saying to

discontinue it, but I would not let my child go to sleep with a bottle of any

type of milk, especially rice milk, since it is very retentive (sticks to the

teeth) and can cause the teeth (especially the backs of the upper front teeth)

to rot very quickly and extensively). You can give your child a bottle of rice

milk before bed, but you must brush the excess rice milk off his teeth before

you put him down to sleep. A soft toothbrush with water will do the trick if you

are thorough. Otherwise the rice milk will provide the carbohydrates which will

be broken down by the bacteria in the mouth which

cause tooth decay into acid which rots the teeth. The process proceeds more

quickly at night since saliva flow decreases as does lip and tongue action both

of which are natural cleansers and decay fighters.

S. Cantor, DDS

Specializing in pediatric dentistry and patients with autism spectrum disorder

AJ <Ajwilson@...> wrote:

Don't extract milk teeth unless absolutely necessary. The teeth then

start to move around and the adult teeth may come in wrong, crooked etc....

Tooth decay is caused by acid conditions in the mouth. Flouride

toothpaste doesn't do anything so you don't need it or flouride

treatments. My 4 1/2 year old started to have tooth decay when he was 2

on his two front teeth - a small gap. We took away the bottles and it

stopped spreading, but the gap remained. We recently stopped using

flouride toothpaste and started using a herbal one - Miswak or

something. His tooth is filling in again - might not be due to the

toothpaste. You shouldn't get fillings at all, just ensure that there

is enough calcium and other nutriets in the mouth and the teeth will

re-enamel.

I did quite a bit of studying on teeth. A couple sites to read are

www.chetday.com and also on oramedia.com

(not sure about this one - look at articles on Chet Day's site and

follow links to it. It has lots of info on teeth and what to do) There

are apparently sprays you can buy in the US that help with re-enameling

etc....

I made a herbal tooth remedy that I use on my 2 year old girl. (Got the

recipe from a old herb book) She likes it - it has helped her front

tooth re-enamel - it is antibacterial contains lots of nutrients. (Her

problem is that she hates having her teeth brushed.) But most kids

probably wouldn't like it - my older boys won't let me use it on them at

all.

Abby

mcollins2001uk wrote:

> My little boy (4) has no fillings. We don't use fluoride toothpaste.

> He has a bottle of rice milk at night (helps him get off to sleep).

> When the day comes when he might need a filling he will need to be

> treated either heavily-sedated or under general anaesthetic. As he

> is a child and we are in the UK he is entitled to free dental

> treatment. But the problem is, they are only allowed to use amalgam

> in back teeth. We don't have any private health insurance, so if he

> ever needs a filling in a back tooth (very likely), to do it

> privately, with an anaesthetist, would be prohibitively expensive.

> (They won't let you just meet the extra cost of composite over

> amalgam - a completely mad situation.)

>

> If he gets bad tooth decay in a milk tooth, would it be OK to

> extract it?

>

> When it comes to his permanent dentition, might it be worth sealing

> each tooth with fluoride as it comes through, in the hope of

> preventing later decay? Otherwise, if he gets problems with his back

> teeth, would it be better to extract them, rather than have

> amalgams? (Of course, I would try to find the money for composite

> fillings, but if I could not..?) He grinds his teeth by the way, and

> is autistic, with known heavy metal problems.

>

> Thankyou to anyone who replies,

> Margaret

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Thankyou for this advice, and thankyou to everyone else who

replied to my post. I shall stop the rice milk.

I didn't express things very well in my first post: I was wondering

how much fluoride would be used to seal the second teeth, and how to

balance deciding whether its toxicity might be a worthwhile trade

off if it significantly reduced tooth decay in the permanent

dentition, thus reducing my son's need for treatment involving

sedation/anaesthesia and the amount of cash I would have to find so

he could have composite fillings. There is NO fluoride in our water,

he doesn't have fluoride toothpaste and has never had fluoride drops.

Margaret

>

> > My little boy (4) has no fillings. We don't use fluoride

toothpaste.

> > He has a bottle of rice milk at night (helps him get off to

sleep).

> > When the day comes when he might need a filling he will need to

be

> > treated either heavily-sedated or under general anaesthetic. As

he

> > is a child and we are in the UK he is entitled to free dental

> > treatment. But the problem is, they are only allowed to use

amalgam

> > in back teeth. We don't have any private health insurance, so if

he

> > ever needs a filling in a back tooth (very likely), to do it

> > privately, with an anaesthetist, would be prohibitively

expensive.

> > (They won't let you just meet the extra cost of composite over

> > amalgam - a completely mad situation.)

> >

> > If he gets bad tooth decay in a milk tooth, would it be OK to

> > extract it?

> >

> > When it comes to his permanent dentition, might it be worth

sealing

> > each tooth with fluoride as it comes through, in the hope of

> > preventing later decay? Otherwise, if he gets problems with his

back

> > teeth, would it be better to extract them, rather than have

> > amalgams? (Of course, I would try to find the money for composite

> > fillings, but if I could not..?) He grinds his teeth by the way,

and

> > is autistic, with known heavy metal problems.

> >

> > Thankyou to anyone who replies,

> > Margaret

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

FYI, in speaking with my cousin, a soon to be dentist, he said that calcium

phosphate is good for remineralizing enamel. I did a web search and found a

couple products with it. I checked stores in my area and can't find them, so

will be ordering some this week. I suggest typing calcium phosphate and

tooth into your favorite search engine, interesting stuff.

[ ] Re: my autistic son's dentistry: amalgam and/or

fluoride?

> Thankyou for this advice, and thankyou to everyone else who

> replied to my post. I shall stop the rice milk.

> I didn't express things very well in my first post: I was wondering

> how much fluoride would be used to seal the second teeth, and how to

> balance deciding whether its toxicity might be a worthwhile trade

> off if it significantly reduced tooth decay in the permanent

> dentition, thus reducing my son's need for treatment involving

> sedation/anaesthesia and the amount of cash I would have to find so

> he could have composite fillings. There is NO fluoride in our water,

> he doesn't have fluoride toothpaste and has never had fluoride drops.

> Margaret

>

>

> >

> > > My little boy (4) has no fillings. We don't use fluoride

> toothpaste.

> > > He has a bottle of rice milk at night (helps him get off to

> sleep).

> > > When the day comes when he might need a filling he will need to

> be

> > > treated either heavily-sedated or under general anaesthetic. As

> he

> > > is a child and we are in the UK he is entitled to free dental

> > > treatment. But the problem is, they are only allowed to use

> amalgam

> > > in back teeth. We don't have any private health insurance, so if

> he

> > > ever needs a filling in a back tooth (very likely), to do it

> > > privately, with an anaesthetist, would be prohibitively

> expensive.

> > > (They won't let you just meet the extra cost of composite over

> > > amalgam - a completely mad situation.)

> > >

> > > If he gets bad tooth decay in a milk tooth, would it be OK to

> > > extract it?

> > >

> > > When it comes to his permanent dentition, might it be worth

> sealing

> > > each tooth with fluoride as it comes through, in the hope of

> > > preventing later decay? Otherwise, if he gets problems with his

> back

> > > teeth, would it be better to extract them, rather than have

> > > amalgams? (Of course, I would try to find the money for composite

> > > fillings, but if I could not..?) He grinds his teeth by the way,

> and

> > > is autistic, with known heavy metal problems.

> > >

> > > Thankyou to anyone who replies,

> > > Margaret

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > =======================================================

> > >

[Guest guest]

Recipe for Herbal Teeth Remedy:

Kills bacterial and reduces acidity and seem to help with re-enameling

or maybe just reduces erosion due to acid. Definitely works on people

with swollen/inflamed gums (pyorrhea) as well.

1 pt Echinacea

1 pt Cayenne (buy peppers and grind/chop them)

4 pt Peppermint

4 pt Oak Bark

4 pt Horsetail

1 pt Lobelia (not garden flower)

(Oak bark and horsetail are the most important for this remedy. Cayenne

is an accentuator - it hastens the formula's work, echinacea is

obviously immune related, lobelia is also an accentuator and peppermint

is for reducing acid?)

1 pt can be 1 cup or 1 handful or 1 spoonful, depends on how much you

want to make. Mix herbs and put in a glass jar with tight lid (old

mayonaise jars work well). Cover with 1/2 vodka and 1/2 water. Put in

a dark cupboard and shake the bottle a bit daily (if you remember).

Leave at least 14 days. Strain off and bottle liquid. To liquid add

some clove oil and peppermint oil (optional). The clove oil is very

antibacterial so if you need it for killing bacteria, make sure to add.

Otherwise, you can leave it out. Don't add too much it's very strong.

I'd say 10 drops in 100 mls? If you make lots, put a small amount in a

dropper bottle, add the oils and test it and see.

Put a drop or two on your tongue or use on your toothbrush. You can

also soak a cotton ball in the mix and put it in your cheek if you have

a problem area. Seems to work real well for anyone with problems with

weak enamel or pyorrhea.

This recipe comes from Dr an old herb doc.

Regards

Abby

Dagmar wrote:

> I would be very interested to know how you make your herbal tooth remedy.

>

> Dagmar.

> I made a herbal tooth remedy that I use on my 2 year old girl. (Got the

> recipe from a old herb book) She likes it - it has helped her front

> tooth re-enamel - it is antibacterial contains lots of nutrients. (Her

> problem is that she hates having her teeth brushed.) But most kids

> probably wouldn't like it - my older boys won't let me use it on

> them at

> all.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much!

Dagmar.

Re: [ ] my autistic son's dentistry: amalgam and/or

fluoride?

Recipe for Herbal Teeth Remedy:

Kills bacterial and reduces acidity and seem to help with re-enameling

or maybe just reduces erosion due to acid. Definitely works on people

with swollen/inflamed gums (pyorrhea) as well.

1 pt Echinacea

1 pt Cayenne (buy peppers and grind/chop them)

4 pt Peppermint

4 pt Oak Bark

4 pt Horsetail

1 pt Lobelia (not garden flower)

(Oak bark and horsetail are the most important for this remedy. Cayenne

is an accentuator - it hastens the formula's work, echinacea is

obviously immune related, lobelia is also an accentuator and peppermint

is for reducing acid?)

1 pt can be 1 cup or 1 handful or 1 spoonful, depends on how much you

want to make. Mix herbs and put in a glass jar with tight lid (old

mayonaise jars work well). Cover with 1/2 vodka and 1/2 water. Put in

a dark cupboard and shake the bottle a bit daily (if you remember).

Leave at least 14 days. Strain off and bottle liquid. To liquid add

some clove oil and peppermint oil (optional). The clove oil is very

antibacterial so if you need it for killing bacteria, make sure to add.

Otherwise, you can leave it out. Don't add too much it's very strong.

I'd say 10 drops in 100 mls? If you make lots, put a small amount in a

dropper bottle, add the oils and test it and see.

Put a drop or two on your tongue or use on your toothbrush. You can

also soak a cotton ball in the mix and put it in your cheek if you have

a problem area. Seems to work real well for anyone with problems with

weak enamel or pyorrhea.

This recipe comes from Dr an old herb doc.

Regards

Abby

Dagmar wrote:

> I would be very interested to know how you make your herbal tooth remedy.

>

> Dagmar.

> I made a herbal tooth remedy that I use on my 2 year old girl. (Got the

> recipe from a old herb book) She likes it - it has helped her front

> tooth re-enamel - it is antibacterial contains lots of nutrients. (Her

> problem is that she hates having her teeth brushed.) But most kids

> probably wouldn't like it - my older boys won't let me use it on

> them at

> all.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I got most of the herbs by now and am getting ready to brew. Do you think using

brandy instead of vodka would be alright? I also have not been able to get

lobelia so I might just try without it. Where did you get yours from?

Thanks again for this recipy. I will let you know how we do on it.

Dagmar.

Re: [ ] my autistic son's dentistry: amalgam and/or

fluoride?

Recipe for Herbal Teeth Remedy:

Kills bacterial and reduces acidity and seem to help with re-enameling

or maybe just reduces erosion due to acid. Definitely works on people

with swollen/inflamed gums (pyorrhea) as well.

1 pt Echinacea

1 pt Cayenne (buy peppers and grind/chop them)

4 pt Peppermint

4 pt Oak Bark

4 pt Horsetail

1 pt Lobelia (not garden flower)

(Oak bark and horsetail are the most important for this remedy. Cayenne

is an accentuator - it hastens the formula's work, echinacea is

obviously immune related, lobelia is also an accentuator and peppermint

is for reducing acid?)

1 pt can be 1 cup or 1 handful or 1 spoonful, depends on how much you

want to make. Mix herbs and put in a glass jar with tight lid (old

mayonaise jars work well). Cover with 1/2 vodka and 1/2 water. Put in

a dark cupboard and shake the bottle a bit daily (if you remember).

Leave at least 14 days. Strain off and bottle liquid. To liquid add

some clove oil and peppermint oil (optional). The clove oil is very

antibacterial so if you need it for killing bacteria, make sure to add.

Otherwise, you can leave it out. Don't add too much it's very strong.

I'd say 10 drops in 100 mls? If you make lots, put a small amount in a

dropper bottle, add the oils and test it and see.

Put a drop or two on your tongue or use on your toothbrush. You can

also soak a cotton ball in the mix and put it in your cheek if you have

a problem area. Seems to work real well for anyone with problems with

weak enamel or pyorrhea.

This recipe comes from Dr an old herb doc.

Regards

Abby

Dagmar wrote:

> I would be very interested to know how you make your herbal tooth remedy.

>

> Dagmar.

> I made a herbal tooth remedy that I use on my 2 year old girl. (Got the

> recipe from a old herb book) She likes it - it has helped her front

> tooth re-enamel - it is antibacterial contains lots of nutrients. (Her

> problem is that she hates having her teeth brushed.) But most kids

> probably wouldn't like it - my older boys won't let me use it on

> them at

> all.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Dagmar,

I'm not Abby, but regarding what sort of alcohol to use:

what matters is the % alcohol in the brandy vs. vodka.

Bear with me a minute here. The recipe called for adding

1/2 water to the vodka. So, you should be able to adjust

to end up with the same " proof " as 1/2 vodka + 1/2 water.

Personally, I find the taste of vodka horrible, and I

make herbal extractions using peppermint schnapps.

I didn't see this thread initially--- a couple of comments

on the receipe:

as Abby said, this will mixture will be unacceptable to

some--- it is VERY hot! (from the cayenne).

If others want to try it without making their own, you

can check the ingredients in Dr. Schulze's " tooth and gum "

formula (800-HERBDOC). His ingredients may differ, but

I know it includes cayenne, and he studied with Dr.

, so many of his formulas are similar to

, I think.

Dagmar, it is nice that you are going to make your own

You can make your own milk thistle tincture too.....

good wishes,

Moria

> I got most of the herbs by now and am getting ready to brew. Do

you think using brandy instead of vodka would be alright? I also

have not been able to get lobelia so I might just try without it.

Where did you get yours from?

>

> Thanks again for this recipy. I will let you know how we do on it.

>

> Dagmar.

> Re: [ ] my autistic son's dentistry:

amalgam and/or fluoride?

>

>

> Recipe for Herbal Teeth Remedy:

>

> Kills bacterial and reduces acidity and seem to help with re-

enameling

> or maybe just reduces erosion due to acid. Definitely works on

people

> with swollen/inflamed gums (pyorrhea) as well.

>

> 1 pt Echinacea

> 1 pt Cayenne (buy peppers and grind/chop them)

> 4 pt Peppermint

> 4 pt Oak Bark

> 4 pt Horsetail

> 1 pt Lobelia (not garden flower)

>

> (Oak bark and horsetail are the most important for this remedy.

Cayenne

> is an accentuator - it hastens the formula's work, echinacea is

> obviously immune related, lobelia is also an accentuator and

peppermint

> is for reducing acid?)

>

> 1 pt can be 1 cup or 1 handful or 1 spoonful, depends on how

much you

> want to make. Mix herbs and put in a glass jar with tight lid

(old

> mayonaise jars work well). Cover with 1/2 vodka and 1/2 water.

Put in

> a dark cupboard and shake the bottle a bit daily (if you

remember).

> Leave at least 14 days. Strain off and bottle liquid. To

liquid add

> some clove oil and peppermint oil (optional). The clove oil is

very

> antibacterial so if you need it for killing bacteria, make sure

to add.

> Otherwise, you can leave it out. Don't add too much it's very

strong.

> I'd say 10 drops in 100 mls? If you make lots, put a small

amount in a

> dropper bottle, add the oils and test it and see.

>

> Put a drop or two on your tongue or use on your toothbrush. You

can

> also soak a cotton ball in the mix and put it in your cheek if

you have

> a problem area. Seems to work real well for anyone with

problems with

> weak enamel or pyorrhea.

>

> This recipe comes from Dr an old herb doc.

>

> Regards

>

> Abby

[Guest guest]

Thank you!

Dagmar.

Re: [ ] my autistic son's dentistry:

amalgam and/or fluoride?

>

>

> Recipe for Herbal Teeth Remedy:

>

> Kills bacterial and reduces acidity and seem to help with re-

enameling

> or maybe just reduces erosion due to acid. Definitely works on

people

> with swollen/inflamed gums (pyorrhea) as well.

>

> 1 pt Echinacea

> 1 pt Cayenne (buy peppers and grind/chop them)

> 4 pt Peppermint

> 4 pt Oak Bark

> 4 pt Horsetail

> 1 pt Lobelia (not garden flower)

>

> (Oak bark and horsetail are the most important for this remedy.

Cayenne

> is an accentuator - it hastens the formula's work, echinacea is

> obviously immune related, lobelia is also an accentuator and

peppermint

> is for reducing acid?)

>

> 1 pt can be 1 cup or 1 handful or 1 spoonful, depends on how

much you

> want to make. Mix herbs and put in a glass jar with tight lid

(old

> mayonaise jars work well). Cover with 1/2 vodka and 1/2 water.

Put in

> a dark cupboard and shake the bottle a bit daily (if you

remember).

> Leave at least 14 days. Strain off and bottle liquid. To

liquid add

> some clove oil and peppermint oil (optional). The clove oil is

very

> antibacterial so if you need it for killing bacteria, make sure

to add.

> Otherwise, you can leave it out. Don't add too much it's very

strong.

> I'd say 10 drops in 100 mls? If you make lots, put a small

amount in a

> dropper bottle, add the oils and test it and see.

>

> Put a drop or two on your tongue or use on your toothbrush. You

can

> also soak a cotton ball in the mix and put it in your cheek if

you have

> a problem area. Seems to work real well for anyone with

problems with

> weak enamel or pyorrhea.

>

> This recipe comes from Dr an old herb doc.

>

> Regards

>

> Abby

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

I'll have to try the peppermint schnapps in my next formula for my kids.

Thanks Moira.

The problem with Dr Schulze's formulas is he doesn't give proportions at

least not in the material I've seen. So you have to guess how much he puts

in his different things. He did study under Dr , but he has

developed his own formulas probably working from Dr 's

information and then changing them for various reasons. So his stuff

definitely works too. I'm sure his formula must include the oak bark as it

is a key ingredient for gum problems (came from the American Indians) as is

the clove oil.

Abby

[ ] Re: my autistic son's dentistry: amalgam and/or

fluoride?

Hello Dagmar,

I'm not Abby, but regarding what sort of alcohol to use:

what matters is the % alcohol in the brandy vs. vodka.

Bear with me a minute here. The recipe called for adding

1/2 water to the vodka. So, you should be able to adjust

to end up with the same " proof " as 1/2 vodka + 1/2 water.

Personally, I find the taste of vodka horrible, and I

make herbal extractions using peppermint schnapps.

I didn't see this thread initially--- a couple of comments

on the receipe:

as Abby said, this will mixture will be unacceptable to

some--- it is VERY hot! (from the cayenne).

If others want to try it without making their own, you

can check the ingredients in Dr. Schulze's " tooth and gum "

formula (800-HERBDOC). His ingredients may differ, but

I know it includes cayenne, and he studied with Dr.

, so many of his formulas are similar to

, I think.

Dagmar, it is nice that you are going to make your own

You can make your own milk thistle tincture too.....

good wishes,

Moria

> I got most of the herbs by now and am getting ready to brew. Do

you think using brandy instead of vodka would be alright? I also

have not been able to get lobelia so I might just try without it.

Where did you get yours from?

>

> Thanks again for this recipy. I will let you know how we do on it.

>

> Dagmar.

> Re: [ ] my autistic son's dentistry:

amalgam and/or fluoride?

>

>

> Recipe for Herbal Teeth Remedy:

>

> Kills bacterial and reduces acidity and seem to help with re-

enameling

> or maybe just reduces erosion due to acid. Definitely works on

people

> with swollen/inflamed gums (pyorrhea) as well.

>

> 1 pt Echinacea

> 1 pt Cayenne (buy peppers and grind/chop them)

> 4 pt Peppermint

> 4 pt Oak Bark

> 4 pt Horsetail

> 1 pt Lobelia (not garden flower)

>

> (Oak bark and horsetail are the most important for this remedy.

Cayenne

> is an accentuator - it hastens the formula's work, echinacea is

> obviously immune related, lobelia is also an accentuator and

peppermint

> is for reducing acid?)

>

> 1 pt can be 1 cup or 1 handful or 1 spoonful, depends on how

much you

> want to make. Mix herbs and put in a glass jar with tight lid

(old

> mayonaise jars work well). Cover with 1/2 vodka and 1/2 water.

Put in

> a dark cupboard and shake the bottle a bit daily (if you

remember).

> Leave at least 14 days. Strain off and bottle liquid. To

liquid add

> some clove oil and peppermint oil (optional). The clove oil is

very

> antibacterial so if you need it for killing bacteria, make sure

to add.

> Otherwise, you can leave it out. Don't add too much it's very

strong.

> I'd say 10 drops in 100 mls? If you make lots, put a small

amount in a

> dropper bottle, add the oils and test it and see.

>

> Put a drop or two on your tongue or use on your toothbrush. You

can

> also soak a cotton ball in the mix and put it in your cheek if

you have

> a problem area. Seems to work real well for anyone with

problems with

> weak enamel or pyorrhea.

>

> This recipe comes from Dr an old herb doc.

>

> Regards

>

> Abby

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

You can leave out the lobelia, but you can order on the Internet from herb

companies. However, I'd leave it out as it is an acentuator (enhancer) in

this formula and not an essential component.

I'm not an alcohol expert so I don't know how brandy is made, but all

tictures in herbal and homeopathic medicine are made with grain based

alcohol - usually vodka but I'm sure you can use something else. Is brandy

a pure grain based alcohol? If so, than just dilute to the same proof as

vodka as the point of the alcohol is to preserve the mixture.

Abby

[AJ ] Re: [ ] my autistic son's dentistry: amalgam and/or

fluoride?

I got most of the herbs by now and am getting ready to brew. Do you think

using brandy instead of vodka would be alright? I also have not been able to

get lobelia so I might just try without it. Where did you get yours from?

Thanks again for this recipy. I will let you know how we do on it.

Dagmar.

[Guest guest]

Thank you!

Dagmar.

Re: [ ] my autistic son's dentistry: amalgam and/or

fluoride?

I got most of the herbs by now and am getting ready to brew. Do you think

using brandy instead of vodka would be alright? I also have not been able to

get lobelia so I might just try without it. Where did you get yours from?

Thanks again for this recipy. I will let you know how we do on it.

Dagmar.