Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 You on a limb now that is novel. The only problem I have is that I am sure there would be abuse and that would end up in the paper. A few months back we had the incident here in Texas where a small town Police Chief used his duty Tazer on his wife. granted he could have used his Duty .45 (or whatever they carry in that town) and the outcome would be much worse. EMS has issues we can't get right in terms of protocols and SOP, SOG development within our realm so adding this in some cases is akin tossing lighter fluid on top of the fire after adding the gasoline. At times EMS needs restraint itself. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:11:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bbledsoe@... writes: I¹ll go out on a limb here (never been out on a limb). I think that medical directors should seriously consider Tasers for use in EMS for patients whose psychosis poses a danger to themselves or others (including EMTs). It is probably safer than physical restraint and renders the patient docile while neuroleptics or benzodiazepines (or both) are administered. This is especially true in rural areas where law enforcement backup may be some distance away. Fire away.... BEB -- E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine University of Nevada School of Medicine Department of Emergency Medicine University Medical Center of Southern Nevada Las Vegas, Nevada On 8/17/09 7:51 PM, " Lee " L@...> wrote: > > > > > New AMA report on the use of Tasers > > http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/taser_ecd_resolution.pdf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Visit our website at www.paramedicine.com Quote
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 When I first saw the commercials you mention I chuckled then I thought about it from a Chief's viewpoint and said to myself " Did she say that? " The inference and implied underlying meaning is there as well and while I find that too to be amusing I am a warped 25+ year public safety person! I had not considered bored medics but that too is valid. Sadly one doe need to cater to the lowest common denominator Does it play in Peoria? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:41:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, aggiesrwe03@... writes: I agree, with the way hot headed cops abuse them I can just imagine them being in the hands of hot headed medics too! Plus I have a HUGE pic of the YouTube videos that may surface when ff's and medics get bored!!! On the same note anyone seen the previews for " the police women of Broward County? " one of those ladies on there says something along the lines of " there is always a good time to use a taser. " . Anyone else see a problem with that statment on national tv? Just a thought -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Aug 17, 2009, at 20:18, _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) wrote: > You on a limb now that is novel. > > The only problem I have is that I am sure there would be abuse and > that > would end up in the paper. A few months back we had the incident > here in Texas > where a small town Police Chief used his duty Tazer on his wife. > granted > he could have used his Duty .45 (or whatever they carry in that > town) and > the outcome would be much worse. > > EMS has issues we can't get right in terms of protocols and SOP, SOG > development within our realm so adding this in some cases is akin > tossing > lighter fluid on top of the fire after adding the gasoline. > > At times EMS needs restraint itself. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance C Freelance Con > Consultant > > _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/FSS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - > 1962) > > In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:11:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > _bbledsoe@..._ (mailto:bbledsoe@...) writes: > > I¹ll go out on a limb here (never been out on a limb). I think that > medical > directors should seriously consider Tasers for use in EMS for patients > whose > psychosis poses a danger to themselves or others (including EMTs). > It is > probably safer than physical restraint and renders the patient > docile while > neuroleptics or benzodiazepines (or both) are administered. This is > especially true in rural areas where law enforcement backup may be > some > distance away. > > Fire away.... > > BEB > > -- > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine > University of Nevada School of Medicine > Department of Emergency Medicine > University Medical Center of Southern Nevada > Las Vegas, Nevada > > On 8/17/09 7:51 PM, " Lee " <_L@L@ L@...) > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > New AMA report on the use of Tasers > > > > _http://www.policeonhttp://www.polichttp://www_ (http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/) > taser_ecd_resolutio tase > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Visit our website at www.paramedicine. Vi > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 I have but three words -- Beavis and Butthead. -Wes Ogilvie In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:47:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lnmolino@... writes: When I first saw the commercials you mention I chuckled then I thought about it from a Chief's viewpoint and said to myself " Did she say that? " The inference and implied underlying meaning is there as well and while I find that too to be amusing I am a warped 25+ year public safety person! I had not considered bored medics but that too is valid. Sadly one doe need to cater to the lowest common denominator Does it play in Peoria? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/FF/N Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Freelance CoFreelance Consultant/Trainer _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:41:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _aggiesrwe03@aggies_ (mailto:aggiesrwe03@...) writes: I agree, with the way hot headed cops abuse them I can just imagine them being in the hands of hot headed medics too! Plus I have a HUGE pic of the YouTube videos that may surface when ff's and medics get bored!!! On the same note anyone seen the previews for " the police women of Broward County? " one of those ladies on there says something along the lines of " there is always a good time to use a taser. " . Anyone else see a problem with that statment on national tv? Just a thought -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Aug 17, 2009, at 20:18, __lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) _ln_ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) _ (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) wrote: > You on a limb now that is novel. > > The only problem I have is that I am sure there would be abuse and > that > would end up in the paper. A few months back we had the incident > here in Texas > where a small town Police Chief used his duty Tazer on his wife. > granted > he could have used his Duty .45 (or whatever they carry in that > town) and > the outcome would be much worse. > > EMS has issues we can't get right in terms of protocols and SOP, SOG > development within our realm so adding this in some cases is akin > tossing > lighter fluid on top of the fire after adding the gasoline. > > At times EMS needs restraint itself. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance C Freelance Con > Consultant > > __LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) _LN_ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) _ (mailto:_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) ) > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/FSS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - > 1962) > > In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:11:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > __bbledsoe@earthlink_bbl_ (mailto:_bbledsoe@...) _ (mailto:_bbledsoe@..._ (mailto:bbledsoe@...) ) writes: > > I¹ll go out on a limb here (never been out on a limb). I think that > medical > directors should seriously consider Tasers for use in EMS for patients > whose > psychosis poses a danger to themselves or others (including EMTs). > It is > probably safer than physical restraint and renders the patient > docile while > neuroleptics or benzodiazepines (or both) are administered. This is > especially true in rural areas where law enforcement backup may be > some > distance away. > > Fire away.... > > BEB > > -- > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine > University of Nevada School of Medicine > Department of Emergency Medicine > University Medical Center of Southern Nevada > Las Vegas, Nevada > > On 8/17/09 7:51 PM, " Lee " <_L@_L L@...) ) > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > New AMA report on the use of Tasers > > > > __http://www.policeonhttp://www.http://wwwhttp:/_ (http://www.policeonhttp//www.polichttp://www_) (_http://www.policeonhttp://www.polichttp://www_ (http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/) ) > taser_ecd_resolutio tase > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Visit our website at www.paramedicine. Vi > > Quote
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 In a message dated 8/17/2009 9:20:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rob.davis@... writes: That is not nearly the limb I was expecting you to crawl out on. I thought you were going to advocate Medical Directors using Tasers ON EMS! Ya know if you reverse that idea it has merit! Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) Quote
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 Wes I was told both of them were Austin born and bred and both graduated from UT or is it TU or whatever? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:52:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: I have but three words -- Beavis and Butthead. -Wes Ogilvie In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:47:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) writes: When I first saw the commercials you mention I chuckled then I thought about it from a Chief's viewpoint and said to myself " Did she say that? " The inference and implied underlying meaning is there as well and while I find that too to be amusing I am a warped 25+ year public safety person! I had not considered bored medics but that too is valid. Sadly one doe need to cater to the lowest common denominator Does it play in Peoria? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/FF/N Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Fr __LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) _LN_ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) _ (mailto:_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) ) (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:41:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _aggiesrwe03@_aggiesrwe03@ aggiesrwe03@...) ) writes: I agree, with the way hot headed cops abuse them I can just imagine them being in the hands of hot headed medics too! Plus I have a HUGE pic of the YouTube videos that may surface when ff's and medics get bored!!! On the same note anyone seen the previews for " the police women of Broward County? " one of those ladies on there says something along the lines of " there is always a good time to use a taser. " . Anyone else see a problem with that statment on national tv? Just a thought -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Aug 17, 2009, at 20:18, __lnmolino@... Aug 17, 20__lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) _ln_ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) ) _ (mailto:__lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) _ln_ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) _ (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) ) wrote: > You on a limb now that is novel. > > The only problem I have is that I am sure there would be abuse and > that > would end up in the paper. A few months back we had the incident > here in Texas > where a small town Police Chief used his duty Tazer on his wife. > granted > he could have used his Duty .45 (or whatever they carry in that > town) and > the outcome would be much worse. > > EMS has issues we can't get right in terms of protocols and SOP, SOG > development within our realm so adding this in some cases is akin > tossing > lighter fluid on top of the fire after adding the gasoline. > > At times EMS needs restraint itself. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance C Freelance Con > Consultant > > __LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) __LNMolino@a__LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) _LN_ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) ) _ (mailto:__LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) _LN_ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) _ (mailto:_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) ) ) > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/FSS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - > 1962) > > In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:11:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > __bbledsoe@earthlin __bbledsoe__bbledsoe@earthlink_bbl_ (mailto:_bbledsoe@...) ) _ (mailto:__bbledsoe@earthlink_bbl_ (mailto:_bbledsoe@...) _ (mailto:_bbledsoe@..._ (mailto:bbledsoe@...) ) ) writes: > > I¹ll go out on a limb here (never been out on a limb). I think that > medical > directors should seriously consider Tasers for use in EMS for patients > whose > psychosis poses a danger to themselves or others (including EMTs). > It is > probably safer than physical restraint and renders the patient > docile while > neuroleptics or benzodiazepines (or both) are administered. This is > especially true in rural areas where law enforcement backup may be > some > distance away. > > Fire away.... > > BEB > > -- > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine > University of Nevada School of Medicine > Department of Emergency Medicine > University Medical Center of Southern Nevada > Las Vegas, Nevada > > On 8/17/09 7:51 PM, " Lee " <_L@_L< WBRLRi_ (mailto:_Lso(mailto:_LRich L@...) ) ) > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > New AMA report on the use of Tasers > > > > ___http://www.policeonhttp://www.http://www.poliht_ (http://www.policeonhttp//www.http://wwwhttp:/_) (_http://www.policeonhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp:/_ (http://www.policeonhttp//www.polichttp://www_) ) (__http://www.policeonhttp://www.http://wwwhttp:/_ (http://www.policeonhttp//www.polichttp://www_) (_http://www.policeonhttp://www.polichttp://www_ (http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/) ) ) > taser_ecd_resolutio tase > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Visit our website at www.paramedicine. Vi > > Quote
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 New AMA report on the use of Tasers http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/taser_ecd_resolution.pdf -- Quote
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 I¹ll go out on a limb here (never been out on a limb). I think that medical directors should seriously consider Tasers for use in EMS for patients whose psychosis poses a danger to themselves or others (including EMTs). It is probably safer than physical restraint and renders the patient docile while neuroleptics or benzodiazepines (or both) are administered. This is especially true in rural areas where law enforcement backup may be some distance away. Fire away.... BEB -- E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine University of Nevada School of Medicine Department of Emergency Medicine University Medical Center of Southern Nevada Las Vegas, Nevada On 8/17/09 7:51 PM, " Lee " L@...> wrote: > > > > > New AMA report on the use of Tasers > > http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/taser_ecd_resolution.pdf Quote
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 Could those taser darts possibly contain an adult dose of Droperidol? Now that would be the perfect cocktail. Jim< Re: AMA report on Tasers I¹ll go out on a limb here (never been out on a limb). I think that medical directors should seriously consider Tasers for use in EMS for patients whose psychosis poses a danger to themselves or others (including EMTs). It is probably safer than physical restraint and renders the patient docile while neuroleptics or benzodiazepines (or both) are administered. This is especially true in rural areas where law enforcement backup may be some distance away. Fire away.... BEB -- E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine University of Nevada School of Medicine Department of Emergency Medicine University Medical Center of Southern Nevada Las Vegas, Nevada On 8/17/09 7:51 PM, " Lee " L@...> wrote: > > > > > New AMA report on the use of Tasers > > http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/taser_ecd_resolution.pdf Quote
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 I agree, with the way hot headed cops abuse them I can just imagine them being in the hands of hot headed medics too! Plus I have a HUGE pic of the YouTube videos that may surface when ff's and medics get bored!!! On the same note anyone seen the previews for " the police women of Broward County? " one of those ladies on there says something along the lines of " there is always a good time to use a taser. " . Anyone else see a problem with that statment on national tv? Just a thought -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! > You on a limb now that is novel. > > The only problem I have is that I am sure there would be abuse and > that > would end up in the paper. A few months back we had the incident > here in Texas > where a small town Police Chief used his duty Tazer on his wife. > granted > he could have used his Duty .45 (or whatever they carry in that > town) and > the outcome would be much worse. > > EMS has issues we can't get right in terms of protocols and SOP, SOG > development within our realm so adding this in some cases is akin > tossing > lighter fluid on top of the fire after adding the gasoline. > > At times EMS needs restraint itself. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection > Consultant > > LNMolino@... > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/FSS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - > 1962) > > In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:11:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > bbledsoe@... writes: > > I¹ll go out on a limb here (never been out on a limb). I think that > medical > directors should seriously consider Tasers for use in EMS for patients > whose > psychosis poses a danger to themselves or others (including EMTs). > It is > probably safer than physical restraint and renders the patient > docile while > neuroleptics or benzodiazepines (or both) are administered. This is > especially true in rural areas where law enforcement backup may be > some > distance away. > > Fire away.... > > BEB > > -- > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine > University of Nevada School of Medicine > Department of Emergency Medicine > University Medical Center of Southern Nevada > Las Vegas, Nevada > > On 8/17/09 7:51 PM, " Lee " L@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > New AMA report on the use of Tasers > > > > http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/ > taser_ecd_resolution.pdf > > Quote
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 Funny you said that, that's exactly what I said when I saw it for the first time it only makes me wonder if she was called to her capts. Office after the comercial aired!! Lol - Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! > When I first saw the commercials you mention I chuckled then I thought > about it from a Chief's viewpoint and said to myself " Did she say > that? " > > The inference and implied underlying meaning is there as well and > while I > find that too to be amusing I am a warped 25+ year public safety > person! > > I had not considered bored medics but that too is valid. > > Sadly one doe need to cater to the lowest common denominator > > Does it play in Peoria? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection > Consultant > > LNMolino@... > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/FSS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - > 1962) > > In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:41:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > aggiesrwe03@... writes: > > I agree, with the way hot headed cops abuse them I can just imagine > them being in the hands of hot headed medics too! Plus I have a HUGE > pic of the YouTube videos that may surface when ff's and medics get > bored!!! > > On the same note anyone seen the previews for " the police women of > Broward County? " one of those ladies on there says something along the > lines of " there is always a good time to use a taser. " . Anyone else > see a problem with that statment on national tv? Just a thought > > -Chris > > Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! > > On Aug 17, 2009, at 20:18, _lnmolino@..._ > (mailto:lnmolino@...) > wrote: > > > You on a limb now that is novel. > > > > The only problem I have is that I am sure there would be abuse and > > that > > would end up in the paper. A few months back we had the incident > > here in Texas > > where a small town Police Chief used his duty Tazer on his wife. > > granted > > he could have used his Duty .45 (or whatever they carry in that > > town) and > > the outcome would be much worse. > > > > EMS has issues we can't get right in terms of protocols and SOP, SOG > > development within our realm so adding this in some cases is akin > > tossing > > lighter fluid on top of the fire after adding the gasoline. > > > > At times EMS needs restraint itself. > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance C Freelance Con > > Consultant > > > > _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) > > > > (Cell Phone) > > (IFW/FSS Office) > > (IFW/FSS Fax) > > > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small > minds > > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - > > 1962) > > > > In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:11:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > _bbledsoe@..._ (mailto:bbledsoe@...) writes: > > > > I¹ll go out on a limb here (never been out on a limb). I think that > > medical > > directors should seriously consider Tasers for use in EMS for > patients > > whose > > psychosis poses a danger to themselves or others (including EMTs). > > It is > > probably safer than physical restraint and renders the patient > > docile while > > neuroleptics or benzodiazepines (or both) are administered. This is > > especially true in rural areas where law enforcement backup may be > > some > > distance away. > > > > Fire away.... > > > > BEB > > > > -- > > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > > Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine > > University of Nevada School of Medicine > > Department of Emergency Medicine > > University Medical Center of Southern Nevada > > Las Vegas, Nevada > > > > On 8/17/09 7:51 PM, " Lee " > <_L@L@ (mailto:L@...) > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New AMA report on the use of Tasers > > > > > > _http://www.policeonhttp://www.polichttp://www_ > (http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/) > > taser_ecd_resolutio tase > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 On Monday, August 17, 2009 20:11, " Bledsoe " bbledsoe@...> said: > I¹ll go out on a limb here (never been out on a limb). I think that medical > directors should seriously consider Tasers for use in EMS for patients whose > psychosis poses a danger to themselves or others (including EMTs). That is not nearly the limb I was expecting you to crawl out on. I thought you were going to advocate Medical Directors using Tasers ON EMS! Rob Quote
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 Wow, Our guys would love that. UH, no they would tase me just for the fun of it. Their excuse would be it's all part of training and we wanted to make sure it worked. Don ---- Bledsoe bbledsoe@...> wrote: > I¹ll go out on a limb here (never been out on a limb). I think that medical > directors should seriously consider Tasers for use in EMS for patients whose > psychosis poses a danger to themselves or others (including EMTs). It is > probably safer than physical restraint and renders the patient docile while > neuroleptics or benzodiazepines (or both) are administered. This is > especially true in rural areas where law enforcement backup may be some > distance away. > > Fire away.... > > BEB > > > -- > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine > University of Nevada School of Medicine > Department of Emergency Medicine > University Medical Center of Southern Nevada > Las Vegas, Nevada > > > > > On 8/17/09 7:51 PM, " Lee " L@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > New AMA report on the use of Tasers > > > > http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/taser_ecd_resolution.pdf > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 Careful Lou, be very careful. We still have lynch mobs and we aren't afraid to use them Hatfield www.michaelwhatfield.net > > > > > > > > > > > New AMA report on the use of Tasers > > > > ___http://www.policeon http://www. http://www. poliht_ (http://www.policeon http//www. http://wwwhttp: /_) (_http://www.policeon http://wwwhttp: //wwwhttp: /_ (http://www.policeon http//www. polichttp: //www_) ) (__http://www.policeon http://www. http://wwwhttp: /_ (http://www.policeon http//www. polichttp: //www_) (_http://www.policeon http://www. polichttp: //www_ (http://www.policeon e.com/policeone/ data/pdfs/) ) ) > taser_ecd_resolutio tase > > Quote
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Posted August 18, 2009 Barry did they have cartoons when you were a Freshman? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 8/18/2009 8:58:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time, barry.sharp@... writes: There may be some truth to that since their creator lives in Austin. But you can bet they were laughing all the way to Hank Hill's house and the bank. (I don't know what their affiliation may be to THE University of Texas, but I knew some guys like that when I lived on campus as a freshman.) Barry Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES Tobacco Prevention & Control Program Coordinator Mental Health and Substance Abuse Division ________________________________ From: _texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem_ (mailto:texasems-l ) [mailto:_texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem_ (mailto:texasems-l ) ] On Behalf Of _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:25 PM To: _texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem_ (mailto:texasems-l ) Subject: Re: Re: AMA report on Tasers Wes I was told both of them were Austin born and bred and both graduated from UT or is it TU or whatever? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/FF/N Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Freelance CoFreelance Consultant/Trainer _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:52:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _ExLngHrn@..._ (mailto:ExLngHrn@...) writes: I have but three words -- Beavis and Butthead. -Wes Ogilvie In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:47:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, __lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) _ln_ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) _ (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) writes: When I first saw the commercials you mention I chuckled then I thought about it from a Chief's viewpoint and said to myself " Did she say that? " The inference and implied underlying meaning is there as well and while I find that too to be amusing I am a warped 25+ year public safety person! I had not considered bored medics but that too is valid. Sadly one doe need to cater to the lowest common denominator Does it play in Peoria? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/FF/N Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Fr __LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) __LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) _LNMolino@...) ) _ (mailto:__LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) _LN_ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) _ (mailto:_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) ) ) (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:41:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _aggiesrwe03@_aggiesrwe03@ aggiesrwe03@...) ) ) writes: I agree, with the way hot headed cops abuse them I can just imagine them being in the hands of hot headed medics too! Plus I have a HUGE pic of the YouTube videos that may surface when ff's and medics get bored!!! On the same note anyone seen the previews for " the police women of Broward County? " one of those ladies on there says something along the lines of " there is always a good time to use a taser. " . Anyone else see a problem with that statment on national tv? Just a thought -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Aug 17, 2009, at 20:18, ___lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) ___ (mailto:__lnmolino@...) Aug 17, 20__lnmolino@ Aug 17, 20__ (mailto:__lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) _ln_ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) ) ) _ (mailto:__lnmolino@(mailto:__lnmolin__lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) _ln_ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) ) _ (mailto:__lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) _ln_ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) _ (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) ) ) wrote: > You on a limb now that is novel. > > The only problem I have is that I am sure there would be abuse and > that > would end up in the paper. A few months back we had the incident > here in Texas > where a small town Police Chief used his duty Tazer on his wife. > granted > he could have used his Duty .45 (or whatever they carry in that > town) and > the outcome would be much worse. > > EMS has issues we can't get right in terms of protocols and SOP, SOG > development within our realm so adding this in some cases is akin > tossing > lighter fluid on top of the fire after adding the gasoline. > > At times EMS needs restraint itself. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance C Freelance Con > Consultant > > __LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) __LNMolino@a_ __LNMolin __LNMoli (mailto:__LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) _LN_ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) ) ) _ (mailto:__LNMolino@(mailto:__LNMolin__LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) _LN_ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) ) _ (mailto:__LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) _LN_ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) _ (mailto:_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) ) ) ) > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/FSS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - > 1962) > > In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:11:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > __bbledsoe@earthlin __bbledsoe__ __bbleds __bbledso __bb (mailto:__bbledsoe@earthlink_bbl_ (mailto:_bbledsoe@...) ) ) _ (mailto:__bbledsoe@(mailto:__(mailto:__bbl__bbledsoe@earthlink_bbl_ (mailto:_bbledsoe@...) ) _ (mailto:__bbledsoe@earthlink_bbl_ (mailto:_bbledsoe@...) _ (mailto:_bbledsoe@..._ (mailto:bbledsoe@...) ) ) ) writes: > > I¹ll go out on a limb here (never been out on a limb). I think that > medical > directors should seriously consider Tasers for use in EMS for patients > whose > psychosis poses a danger to themselves or others (including EMTs). > It is > probably safer than physical restraint and renders the patient > docile while > neuroleptics or benzodiazepines (or both) are administered. This is > especially true in rural areas where law enforcement backup may be > some > distance away. > > Fire away.... > > BEB > > -- > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine > University of Nevada School of Medicine > Department of Emergency Medicine > University Medical Center of Southern Nevada > Las Vegas, Nevada > > On 8/17/09 7:51 PM, " Lee " <_L@_L< WBRLRi_ (mailto:_Lso(mailto:_(mail L@...) ) ) ) > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > New AMA report on the use of Tasers > > > > ____http://www.policeonhttp://www.http://www.http://_ (http://www.policeonhttp//www.http://www.poliht_) <_http://www.policeonhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://_ (http://www.policeonhttp/www.http:/www.poliht_) > (_http://www.policeonhttp://wwwhttp://www.poliht_ (http://www.policeonhttp//www.http://wwwhttp:/_) <_http://www.policeonhttp://wwhttp://www.polht_ (http://www.policeonhttp/www.http:/wwwhttp:/_) > ) (__http://www.policeonhttp://www.polihttp://wwwht_ (http://www.policeonhttp//wwwhttp://wwwhttp:/_) <_http://www.policeonhttp://www.polhttp://wwht_ (http://www.policeonhttp/wwwhttp:/wwwhttp:/_) > (_http://www.policeonhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp:/_ (http://www.policeonhttp//www.polichttp://www_) <_http://www.policeonhttp://wwhttp://wwwhttp:_ (http://www.policeonhttp/www.polichttp:/www_) > ) ) (___http://www.policeonhttp://www.http://www.poliht_ (http://www.policeonhttp//www.http://wwwhttp:/_) <_http://www.policeonhttp://wwwhttp://www.polht_ (http://www.policeonhttp/www.http:/wwwhttp:/_) > (_http://www.policeonhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp:/_ (http://www.policeonhttp//www.polichttp://www_) <_http://www.policeonhttp://wwhttp://wwwhttp:_ (http://www.policeonhttp/www.polichttp:/www_) > ) (__http://www.policeonhttp://www.http://wwwhttp:/_ (http://www.policeonhttp//www.polichttp://www_) <_http://www.policeonhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp:_ (http://www.policeonhttp/www.polichttp:/www_) > (_http://www.policeonhttp://www.polichttp://www_ (http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/) <_http://www.policeonhttp://www.polichttp://www_ (http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/) > ) ) ) > taser_ecd_resolutio tase > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------ ---- ---- - > > Visit our website at www.paramedicine. 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Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Posted August 18, 2009 There may be some truth to that since their creator lives in Austin. But you can bet they were laughing all the way to Hank Hill's house and the bank. (I don't know what their affiliation may be to THE University of Texas, but I knew some guys like that when I lived on campus as a freshman.) Barry Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES Tobacco Prevention & Control Program Coordinator Mental Health and Substance Abuse Division ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of lnmolino@... Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:25 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Re: AMA report on Tasers Wes I was told both of them were Austin born and bred and both graduated from UT or is it TU or whatever? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:52:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: I have but three words -- Beavis and Butthead. -Wes Ogilvie In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:47:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _lnmolino@... _ (mailto:lnmolino@... ) writes: When I first saw the commercials you mention I chuckled then I thought about it from a Chief's viewpoint and said to myself " Did she say that? " The inference and implied underlying meaning is there as well and while I find that too to be amusing I am a warped 25+ year public safety person! I had not considered bored medics but that too is valid. Sadly one doe need to cater to the lowest common denominator Does it play in Peoria? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/FF/N Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Fr __LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) _LN_ (mailto:_LNMolino@... ) _ (mailto:_LNMolino@... _ (mailto:LNMolino@... ) ) (Cell Phone) (IFW/FSS Office) (IFW/FSS Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:41:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _aggiesrwe03@_aggiesrwe03@ aggiesrwe03@... ) ) writes: I agree, with the way hot headed cops abuse them I can just imagine them being in the hands of hot headed medics too! Plus I have a HUGE pic of the YouTube videos that may surface when ff's and medics get bored!!! On the same note anyone seen the previews for " the police women of Broward County? " one of those ladies on there says something along the lines of " there is always a good time to use a taser. " . Anyone else see a problem with that statment on national tv? Just a thought -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone! On Aug 17, 2009, at 20:18, __lnmolino@... Aug 17, 20__lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) _ln_ (mailto:_lnmolino@... ) ) _ (mailto:__lnmolino (AT) aol (DOT) _ln_ (mailto:_lnmolino@... ) _ (mailto:_lnmolino@... _ (mailto:lnmolino@... ) ) ) wrote: > You on a limb now that is novel. > > The only problem I have is that I am sure there would be abuse and > that > would end up in the paper. A few months back we had the incident > here in Texas > where a small town Police Chief used his duty Tazer on his wife. > granted > he could have used his Duty .45 (or whatever they carry in that > town) and > the outcome would be much worse. > > EMS has issues we can't get right in terms of protocols and SOP, SOG > development within our realm so adding this in some cases is akin > tossing > lighter fluid on top of the fire after adding the gasoline. > > At times EMS needs restraint itself. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance C Freelance Con > Consultant > > __LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) __LNMolino@a__LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) _LN_ (mailto:_LNMolino@... ) ) _ (mailto:__LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) _LN_ (mailto:_LNMolino@... ) _ (mailto:_LNMolino@... _ (mailto:LNMolino@... ) ) ) > > (Cell Phone) > (IFW/FSS Office) > (IFW/FSS Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - > 1962) > > In a message dated 8/17/2009 8:11:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > __bbledsoe@earthlin __bbledsoe__bbledsoe@earthlink_bbl_ (mailto:_bbledsoe@... ) ) _ (mailto:__bbledsoe@earthlink_bbl_ (mailto:_bbledsoe@... ) _ (mailto:_bbledsoe@... _ (mailto:bbledsoe@... ) ) ) writes: > > I¹ll go out on a limb here (never been out on a limb). I think that > medical > directors should seriously consider Tasers for use in EMS for patients > whose > psychosis poses a danger to themselves or others (including EMTs). > It is > probably safer than physical restraint and renders the patient > docile while > neuroleptics or benzodiazepines (or both) are administered. This is > especially true in rural areas where law enforcement backup may be > some > distance away. > > Fire away.... > > BEB > > -- > E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP > Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine > University of Nevada School of Medicine > Department of Emergency Medicine > University Medical Center of Southern Nevada > Las Vegas, Nevada > > On 8/17/09 7:51 PM, " Lee " <_L@_L< WBRLRi_ (mailto:_Lso(mailto:_LRich L@... ) ) ) > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > New AMA report on the use of Tasers > > > > ___http://www.policeonhttp://www.http://www.poliht_ http://www.policeonhttp:/www.http:/www.poliht_> (http://www.policeonhttp//www.http://wwwhttp:/_ http://www.policeonhttp/www.http:/wwwhttp:/_> ) (_http://www.policeonhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp:/_ http://www.policeonhttp:/wwwhttp:/wwwhttp:/_> (http://www.policeonhttp//www.polichttp://www_ http://www.policeonhttp/www.polichttp:/www_> ) ) (__http://www.policeonhttp://www.http://wwwhttp:/_ http://www.policeonhttp:/www.http:/wwwhttp:/_> (http://www.policeonhttp//www.polichttp://www_ http://www.policeonhttp/www.polichttp:/www_> ) (_http://www.policeonhttp://www.polichttp://www_ http://www.policeonhttp:/www.polichttp:/www_> (http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/ http://www.policeone.com/policeone/data/pdfs/> ) ) ) > taser_ecd_resolutio tase > > Quote
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