Re: So, what's the real deal with TSH (and symptoms list?)

[Guest guest]

Here is a list from

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Less stamina than others Less energy than others Inability to hold children for very long Arms feeling like dead weights after activity Chronic Low Grade Depression Often feeling cold Cold hands and feet High cholesterol Bizarre and Debilitating reaction to exercise Hard stools Constipation No eyebrows or thinning outer eyebrows Dry Hair Hair Loss Dry cracking skin Nodding off easily Requires naps in the afternoon Inability to concentrate or read long periods of time Forgetfulness Foggy thinking Inability to lose weight Always gaining weight Inability to function in a relationship with anyone NO sex drive Moody periods PMS Excruciating pain during period Nausea Swelling/edema/puffiness Aching bones/muscles Osteoporosis Bumps on legs Acne on face and in hair Breakout on chest and arms Hives Exhaustion in every dimension–physical, mental, spiritual, emotional Inability to work full-time Inability to stand on feet for long periods Complete lack of motivation Slowing to a snail’s pace when walking up slight grade Extremely crabby, irritable, intolerant of others Handwriting nearly illegible Internal itching of ears Broken/peeling fingernails Dry skin or snake skin Major anxiety/worry Ringing in ears Lactose Intolerance Inability to eat in the mornings No hair growth, breaks faster than it grows Joint pain Carpal tunnel symptoms No Appetite Fluid retention to the point of Congestive Heart Failure Swollen legs that prevented walking Blood Pressure problems Varicose Vains Dizziness from fluid on the inner ear Low body temperature Sore feet (plantar fasciitis); painful soles of feet

-------Original Message-------

From: Kate

In the past, I've read so many conflicting "answers." Perhaps some

has to do with those who are on meds and those who are not.

If TSH is truly not adequate for testing for thyroid, why do so many

doctors resort to testing only the TSH? It seems that they do not

veer off TSH unless you have been diagnosed with a thyroid condition

& taking meds.

Is there a site, listing symptoms from patients. I do see there are

many symptoms but am wondering if there is a greater list, according

to patient's personal experience.

One thing I am curious about, is voice. I've read that thyroid

conditions can cause a voice change i.e. hoarseness but can it simply

change the sound, though not be hoarse?

Today I will be bringing my oldest daughter to the doctors for a

reoccurring scalp condition (like eczema) and what looks like

vitiligo around her hairline. After the exam was finished, going to

hand him my folder. As it stands, I didn't get around to finishing it

and so will ask him if he minds I take this approach. That'll be the

start for me.

A few here have said that I should have my ft3 and ft4 checked.

Somebody else mentioned Hashimotos. Would the ft3 & 4 indicate if

there is a possibility of Hashi's? I realize there is an antibody for

that but am wondering if the ft3 & 4 will cover it.

~Kate

[Guest guest]

If you suspect Hashi's, then you should have the antibody test. I think all hypos should have that test at least once. Since both my antibody tests were near zero, I won't ask for it again unless there is a drastic change. Also, symptom lists are everywhere, so just google 'hypothyroid symptoms' and you'll get more than you can ever read. A lot of symptoms overlap other things, but some are classic hypothyroidism. My first symptom that lasted 10 years before diagnosis was the constipation. In hindsight, of course there were others like struggling in school despite a decent IQ, weight issues long before the junk food craze etc. Fatigue is the worst one because it can be caused by so many other things. For me, eating habits and exercise are a big factor in how I feel and how much energy I have.

As far as the TSH goes, you will find differing opinions. Personally, I think it's a great tool for an initial diagnosis for someone who is not on medication. For example, when my TSH was measured at 62.0, it was obvious that the test wasn't at all useless, and it was the factor that led me to treatment. Having said that, there are still some flaws. First, the range has been changed by the Endo Assoc to suspect anyone with a TSH of 3+ for treatment, but many labs (and the doctor's that interpret them) still use the range with 5.0 as the top normal range. Second, TSH can be affected by estrogen dominance / birth control pills etc. Third, once you are on medication, especially Armour, TSH can be suppressed making the person appear hyper even when the hormone levels are well within range, or even low. So basically, I agree that it's a good starting point, but it's not a complete picture on its own and it is relied upon far too much by the doctors and especially the endos. I was diagnosed long before the TSH was available and I haven't been the same since. The only reason that some rely only on the TSH is because it's subjective and they don't have to think about what the heck is really going on, plus it's a cheap test compared to some others. When you have 2,3,4 numbers, the relationship between them starts to get a little fuzzy. If you have way high T4 and way low T3, then they have to look at something other than the standard T4 (Synthroid) treatment, but with the TSH, you're either high, low or in range.

There is a book coming out called 'The Tyranny of the TSH - Why Your Doctor Won't Let You Get Well and What to Do About It!' I think there will be a lot of discussion once it hits the stands. It's available now for pre-order, so it won't be long.

http://mcdowellpublishing.com/tyranny/advancenotice.htm

From the Back CoverDr. C. Lowe writes: "The entire set of beliefs of mainstream medicine about the diagnosis and treatment of hypothyroidism could be thrown out with no harm whatever to the public. In fact, the public would benefit immensely!

One of the most harmful of the beliefs—and the foundation upon which most conventional treatment of hypothyroidism is based—is that the TSH test is the "gold standard" for the diagnosis and treatment of hypothyroidism. This belief is the "Rosemary's baby" of the conventional endocrinology specialty. The belief has bedeviled the public for more than thirty years, causing unspeakable suffering and premature death. The legacy of the belief is a world-wide public health crisis, one costing the public billions of dollars each year. It must be brought to a halt."

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Wow! Is this for hypo? From what I understand, both hyper and hypo share many of the same symtoms. I'll mark mine (in the list you provided and with 4 ----)-current:

[note: I have experienced differences and some that I didn't mark below, did occur this year.]

Thanks for the list. Shoot!

>> Here is a list from > > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com > > ----> Less stamina than others ----> Less energy than others > Inability to hold children for very long ----> Arms feeling like dead weights after activity ----> Chronic Low Grade Depression ----> Often feeling cold ----> Cold hands and feet > High cholesterol > Bizarre and Debilitating reaction to exercise ----Becoming > Hard stools > Constipation > No eyebrows or thinning outer eyebrows ----Just plain funky > Dry Hair ----> Hair Loss > Dry cracking skin ----> Nodding off easily ----> Requires naps in the afternoon ----> Inability to concentrate or read long periods of time ----> Forgetfulness ----> Foggy thinking > Inability to lose weight > Always gaining weight > Inability to function in a relationship with anyone ----> NO sex drive ----> Moody periods > PMS > Excruciating pain during period > Nausea ----> Swelling/edema/puffiness ----> Aching bones/muscles > Osteoporosis ----> Bumps on legs ----starting back up> Acne on face and in hair ----starting back up> Breakout on chest and arms ----I think> Hives ----> Exhaustion in every dimension?physical, mental, spiritual, emotional > Inability to work full-time ----> Inability to stand on feet for long periods ----> Complete lack of motivation > Slowing to a snail?s pace when walking up slight grade ----trying to keep a "cap" on it> Extremely crabby, irritable, intolerant of others > Handwriting nearly illegible > Internal itching of ears > Broken/peeling fingernails ----starting back up> Dry skin or snake skin ----fluctuates but better than in March!> Major anxiety/worry > Ringing in ears > Lactose Intolerance ----> Inability to eat in the mornings ----> No hair growth, breaks faster than it grows ----> Joint pain ----> Carpal tunnel symptoms ----though it can swing > No Appetite > Fluid retention to the point of Congestive Heart Failure > Swollen legs that prevented walking ----changes > Blood Pressure problems ----> Varicose Vains > Dizziness from fluid on the inner ear ----though changing to higher now > Low body temperature ----> Sore feet (plantar fasciitis); painful soles of feet > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Kate > > > In the past, I've read so many conflicting "answers." Perhaps some > has to do with those who are on meds and those who are not. > > If TSH is truly not adequate for testing for thyroid, why do so many > doctors resort to testing only the TSH? It seems that they do not > veer off TSH unless you have been diagnosed with a thyroid condition > & taking meds. > > Is there a site, listing symptoms from patients. I do see there are > many symptoms but am wondering if there is a greater list, according > to patient's personal experience. > > One thing I am curious about, is voice. I've read that thyroid > conditions can cause a voice change i.e. hoarseness but can it simply > change the sound, though not be hoarse? > > Today I will be bringing my oldest daughter to the doctors for a > reoccurring scalp condition (like eczema) and what looks like > vitiligo around her hairline. After the exam was finished, going to > hand him my folder. As it stands, I didn't get around to finishing it > and so will ask him if he minds I take this approach. That'll be the > start for me. > > A few here have said that I should have my ft3 and ft4 checked. > Somebody else mentioned Hashimotos. Would the ft3 & 4 indicate if > there is a possibility of Hashi's? I realize there is an antibody for > that but am wondering if the ft3 & 4 will cover it. > > ~Kate>

[Guest guest]

If TSH is truly not adequate for testing for thyroid, why do so many

doctors resort to testing only the TSH? It seems that they do not

veer off TSH unless you have been diagnosed with a thyroid condition

& taking meds.

TSH is a good first line indicator of thyroid disorder in about 80%

of the patients to diagnose thyroid disorder. It is also a very

simple cost effective test.

A lot of symptoms of thyroid are general, they also over lab with a

lot of other illnesses. A lot of people go undiagnosed because they

write the symptoms off as aging or related to other illnesses.

Now this still leaves room for other testing. If the TSH does not

fall in line wit hother symptoms then other thyroid tests should be

ordered and if it does show out of range then other thyroid tests

should be ordered to determine the extent and best treatment plan.

Antibodies etc can also play a part in false TSH readings, so

getting diagnosed can be the hardest part of treatment for a lot of

people.

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

No, that won't cover it. You need the antibodies testing to find out. It

is the large amt of antibodies that skews the thyroid testing, so the

antibodies testing should be #1. It took me around 10 yrs to realize that,

and then it was ME who had to run the tests for the antibodies. After

having low thyroid for that amt of time, my antibodies were in the thousands

for both major ones, and I had been being grossly undertreated for Hashi's.

The antibodies make the tests lie.

So, what's the real deal with TSH (and

symptoms list?)

> In the past, I've read so many conflicting " answers. " Perhaps some

> has to do with those who are on meds and those who are not.

>

> If TSH is truly not adequate for testing for thyroid, why do so many

> doctors resort to testing only the TSH? It seems that they do not

> veer off TSH unless you have been diagnosed with a thyroid condition

> & taking meds.

>

> Is there a site, listing symptoms from patients. I do see there are

> many symptoms but am wondering if there is a greater list, according

> to patient's personal experience.

>

> One thing I am curious about, is voice. I've read that thyroid

> conditions can cause a voice change i.e. hoarseness but can it simply

> change the sound, though not be hoarse?

>

> Today I will be bringing my oldest daughter to the doctors for a

> reoccurring scalp condition (like eczema) and what looks like

> vitiligo around her hairline. After the exam was finished, going to

> hand him my folder. As it stands, I didn't get around to finishing it

> and so will ask him if he minds I take this approach. That'll be the

> start for me.

>

> A few here have said that I should have my ft3 and ft4 checked.

> Somebody else mentioned Hashimotos. Would the ft3 & 4 indicate if

> there is a possibility of Hashi's? I realize there is an antibody for

> that but am wondering if the ft3 & 4 will cover it.

>

> ~Kate

[Guest guest]

Judy,

I would say my neck/voice bothers me the most. We talk, breath and

eat using out throats and when something isn't right...you can not

ignore it. I hate that reminder.

Fatigue & mild depression, I have had ever since I gave birth to my

daughter 15 years ago (I was 19). There was a period that I felt

better: 24-27 years of age. Then, slowly...started feeling run down

again. Then, I became pregnant with my 3rd child (I'm in my 2nd

marriage). Of course, all the fatigue with pregnancy and newborns.

Then, just before I had my 4th and last child (for which, I honestly

didn't think would occur)...I felt like, " Oh boy, I'm feeling run

down now...how is my body going to handle this pregnancy! " My BP

raised and in delivery, it was extremly high.

Anyway, during that pregnancy, about the 4th month...while my son

wanted up on my lap and so I picked him up (while sitting)and

felt " warm in my pants. " I went to the bathroom and saw the blood. I

was SURE I lost him! I cried and cried and prayed that night.

An ultrasound was performed and while seemingly a little stressed, he

was alright.

He was born with a white patch of hair amidst his brown hair and

later, I would discover a split uvula.

I don't know if that had anything to do with my experience or not.

Just unusual.

As for fatigue, I used to be very outgoing. There wasn't a mountain I

couldn't climb or an activity I wasn't up for. Mind you, I do realize

the toll motherhood takes on a woman. lol I am sure, much can be

attributed to pregnancy and raising children.

In my youth, I started my period late and was stick thin. I couldn't

gain weight and was self conscience on account of it (NO FIGURE).

Then whammo...73 pounds in my first pregancy. I was shocked. I lost a-

lot of blood in delivery with my first and required 2 transfusions of

blood (from family).

Health-wise, in the past...pretty healthy. When I did get sick

though, I was very sick. That's the way it has been: too thin, too

fat, healthy but when sick...very sick. Nothing seemingly in-between.

TSH affected by estrogen dominance. Well, if my doctor thinks I need

progesterone, that would indicate an estrogen dominance...I should

think?

Does estrogen dominance raise or lower TSH?

Your TSH...obviously NO doubt in your thyroid function. WOW! How many

years do you suspect that you were hypothyroid?

Thank you for the book suggestion and the thorough explanation. I

really appreciate it.

Best,

~Kate

>

> If you suspect Hashi's, then you should have the antibody test. I

think all hypos should have that test at least once. Since both my

antibody tests were near zero, I won't ask for it again unless there

is a drastic change. Also, symptom lists are everywhere, so just

google 'hypothyroid symptoms' and you'll get more than you can ever

read. A lot of symptoms overlap other things, but some are classic

hypothyroidism. My first symptom that lasted 10 years before

diagnosis was the constipation. In hindsight, of course there were

others like struggling in school despite a decent IQ, weight issues

long before the junk food craze etc. Fatigue is the worst one

because it can be caused by so many other things. For me, eating

habits and exercise are a big factor in how I feel and how much

energy I have.

>

> As far as the TSH goes, you will find differing opinions.

Personally, I think it's a great tool for an initial diagnosis for

someone who is not on medication. For example, when my TSH was

measured at 62.0, it was obvious that the test wasn't at all useless,

and it was the factor that led me to treatment. Having said that,

there are still some flaws. First, the range has been changed by the

Endo Assoc to suspect anyone with a TSH of 3+ for treatment, but many

labs (and the doctor's that interpret them) still use the range with

5.0 as the top normal range. Second, TSH can be affected by estrogen

dominance / birth control pills etc. Third, once you are on

medication, especially Armour, TSH can be suppressed making the

person appear hyper even when the hormone levels are well within

range, or even low. So basically, I agree that it's a good starting

point, but it's not a complete picture on its own and it is relied

upon far too much by the doctors and especially the

> endos. I was diagnosed long before the TSH was available and I

haven't been the same since. The only reason that some rely only on

the TSH is because it's subjective and they don't have to think about

what the heck is really going on, plus it's a cheap test compared to

some others. When you have 2,3,4 numbers, the relationship between

them starts to get a little fuzzy. If you have way high T4 and way

low T3, then they have to look at something other than the standard

T4 (Synthroid) treatment, but with the TSH, you're either high, low

or in range.

>

> There is a book coming out called 'The Tyranny of the TSH - Why

Your Doctor Won't Let You Get Well and What to Do About It!' I think

there will be a lot of discussion once it hits the stands. It's

available now for pre-order, so it won't be long.

>

> http://mcdowellpublishing.com/tyranny/advancenotice.htm

>

> From the Back Cover

>

> Dr. C. Lowe writes: " The entire set of beliefs of mainstream

medicine about the diagnosis and treatment of hypothyroidism could be

thrown out with no harm whatever to the public. In fact, the public

would benefit immensely!

> One of the most harmful of the beliefs?and the foundation upon

which most conventional treatment of hypothyroidism is based?is that

the TSH test is the " gold standard " for the diagnosis and treatment

of hypothyroidism. This belief is the " Rosemary's baby " of the

conventional endocrinology specialty. The belief has bedeviled the

public for more than thirty years, causing unspeakable suffering and

premature death. The legacy of the belief is a world-wide public

health crisis, one costing the public billions of dollars each year.

It must be brought to a halt. "

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

If what I experienced (anxiety, no dx for hyperthyroid) is like those

with hyperthyroid...be glad, be very glad you've never experienced

it! lol

In January, my TSH was 1.19 (test taken unbeknownst to me)about a

month later, I experienced something that I can not adequately

describe, I think.

It was like an entire month long anxiety attack, I suppose. Wake up

feeling panicky, go to bed feeling panicky. Yet...very tired. Noise

would send me to the ceiling. You wish you could run away from your

body/self. Internally, it felt like pure madness. I couldn't think

straight and I forgot simple things. I honestly thought I was going

to die. Muscle jolts in bed, severe eye twitching throughout the day.

I experienced vertigo on a few occasions. It was bad...real bad.

Things began changing a little towards the better before my tonsils

were taken out. Afterwards, strangely my BP dropped. From high 80s-

90s down to mid-low 70s and down to 60.

I see that it's been rising this past week 1/2 though.

How many years were you Hashi, before diagnoses, do you think? I

assume you've spoken with many Hashi patients and am curious, on

average-how many have had signs of a hyper state?

I did check out the list owners personal page but couldn't find

anything in regards to Hashi.

~Kate

> >

> > Here is a list from

> >

> > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> >

> >

> ----> Less stamina than others

> ----> Less energy than others

> > Inability to hold children for very long

> ----> Arms feeling like dead weights after activity

> ----> Chronic Low Grade Depression

> ----> Often feeling cold

> ----> Cold hands and feet

> > High cholesterol

> > Bizarre and Debilitating reaction to exercise

> ----Becoming > Hard stools

> > Constipation

> > No eyebrows or thinning outer eyebrows

> ----Just plain funky > Dry Hair

> ----> Hair Loss

> > Dry cracking skin

> ----> Nodding off easily

> ----> Requires naps in the afternoon

> ----> Inability to concentrate or read long periods of time

> ----> Forgetfulness

> ----> Foggy thinking

> > Inability to lose weight

> > Always gaining weight

> > Inability to function in a relationship with anyone

> ----> NO sex drive

> ----> Moody periods

> > PMS

> > Excruciating pain during period

> > Nausea

> ----> Swelling/edema/puffiness

> ----> Aching bones/muscles

> > Osteoporosis

> ----> Bumps on legs

> ----starting back up> Acne on face and in hair

> ----starting back up> Breakout on chest and arms

> ----I think> Hives

> ----> Exhaustion in every dimension?physical, mental, spiritual,

emotional

> > Inability to work full-time

> ----> Inability to stand on feet for long periods

> ----> Complete lack of motivation

> > Slowing to a snail?s pace when walking up slight grade

> ----trying to keep a " cap " on it> Extremely crabby, irritable,

intolerant of

> others

> > Handwriting nearly illegible

> > Internal itching of ears

> > Broken/peeling fingernails

> ----starting back up> Dry skin or snake skin

> ----fluctuates but better than in March!> Major anxiety/worry

> > Ringing in ears

> > Lactose Intolerance

> ----> Inability to eat in the mornings

> ----> No hair growth, breaks faster than it grows

> ----> Joint pain

> ----> Carpal tunnel symptoms

> ----though it can swing > No Appetite

> > Fluid retention to the point of Congestive Heart Failure

> > Swollen legs that prevented walking

> ----changes > Blood Pressure problems

> ----> Varicose Vains

> > Dizziness from fluid on the inner ear

> ----though changing to higher now > Low body temperature

> ----> Sore feet (plantar fasciitis); painful soles of feet

> >

> > -------Original Message-------

> >

> > From: Kate

> >

> >

> > In the past, I've read so many conflicting " answers. " Perhaps

some

> > has to do with those who are on meds and those who are not.

> >

> > If TSH is truly not adequate for testing for thyroid, why do so

many

> > doctors resort to testing only the TSH? It seems that they do not

> > veer off TSH unless you have been diagnosed with a thyroid

condition

> > & taking meds.

> >

> > Is there a site, listing symptoms from patients. I do see there

are

> > many symptoms but am wondering if there is a greater list,

according

> > to patient's personal experience.

> >

> > One thing I am curious about, is voice. I've read that thyroid

> > conditions can cause a voice change i.e. hoarseness but can it

simply

> > change the sound, though not be hoarse?

> >

> > Today I will be bringing my oldest daughter to the doctors for a

> > reoccurring scalp condition (like eczema) and what looks like

> > vitiligo around her hairline. After the exam was finished, going

to

> > hand him my folder. As it stands, I didn't get around to

finishing it

> > and so will ask him if he minds I take this approach. That'll be

the

> > start for me.

> >

> > A few here have said that I should have my ft3 and ft4 checked.

> > Somebody else mentioned Hashimotos. Would the ft3 & 4 indicate if

> > there is a possibility of Hashi's? I realize there is an antibody

for

> > that but am wondering if the ft3 & 4 will cover it.

> >

> > ~Kate

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, thank you. I feel better " armed " now, with what to suggest to

my doctor.

If antibodies skew the thyroid testing, then, could people be walking

around with Hashi, despite a normal TSH/ft3/ft4. I take it?

Because you were undertreated for so many years, did you ever

experience hyper symtoms?

From what I've read, the sooner treatment begins with Hashi, the

better outcome. Well, perhaps better than if you are not treated.

Being in perfect health will always beat ilness under medication.

~Kate

>

> No, that won't cover it. You need the antibodies testing to find

out. It

> is the large amt of antibodies that skews the thyroid testing, so

the

> antibodies testing should be #1. It took me around 10 yrs to

realize that,

> and then it was ME who had to run the tests for the antibodies.

After

> having low thyroid for that amt of time, my antibodies were in the

thousands

> for both major ones, and I had been being grossly undertreated for

Hashi's.

> The antibodies make the tests lie.

>

>

>

> So, what's the real deal with

TSH (and

> symptoms list?)

>

>

> > In the past, I've read so many conflicting " answers. " Perhaps some

> > has to do with those who are on meds and those who are not.

> >

> > If TSH is truly not adequate for testing for thyroid, why do so

many

> > doctors resort to testing only the TSH? It seems that they do not

> > veer off TSH unless you have been diagnosed with a thyroid

condition

> > & taking meds.

> >

> > Is there a site, listing symptoms from patients. I do see there

are

> > many symptoms but am wondering if there is a greater list,

according

> > to patient's personal experience.

> >

> > One thing I am curious about, is voice. I've read that thyroid

> > conditions can cause a voice change i.e. hoarseness but can it

simply

> > change the sound, though not be hoarse?

> >

> > Today I will be bringing my oldest daughter to the doctors for a

> > reoccurring scalp condition (like eczema) and what looks like

> > vitiligo around her hairline. After the exam was finished, going

to

> > hand him my folder. As it stands, I didn't get around to

finishing it

> > and so will ask him if he minds I take this approach. That'll be

the

> > start for me.

> >

> > A few here have said that I should have my ft3 and ft4 checked.

> > Somebody else mentioned Hashimotos. Would the ft3 & 4 indicate if

> > there is a possibility of Hashi's? I realize there is an antibody

for

> > that but am wondering if the ft3 & 4 will cover it.

> >

> > ~Kate

>

[Guest guest]

>

> If what I experienced (anxiety, no dx for hyperthyroid) is like

those

> with hyperthyroid...be glad, be very glad you've never experienced

> it! lol

>

> In January, my TSH was 1.19 (test taken unbeknownst to me)about a

> month later, I experienced something that I can not adequately

> describe, I think.

>

> It was like an entire month long anxiety attack, I suppose. Wake

up

> feeling panicky, go to bed feeling panicky. Yet...very tired.

Noise

> would send me to the ceiling. You wish you could run away from

your

> body/self. Internally, it felt like pure madness. I couldn't think

> straight and I forgot simple things. I honestly thought I was

going

> to die. Muscle jolts in bed, severe eye twitching throughout the

day.

> I experienced vertigo on a few occasions. It was bad...real bad.

>

> Things began changing a little towards the better before my

tonsils

> were taken out. Afterwards, strangely my BP dropped. From high 80s-

> 90s down to mid-low 70s and down to 60.

> I see that it's been rising this past week 1/2 though.

>

>

That is hyper symptoms which means you may have been in a

swing..throw in no sleeping or finally sitting for 5 mins and

feeling bored and it makes for a nice mix...I am thinking they are

going to diagnose me with ADHD before they figure out the hyper

connection..

Kats3boys

[Guest guest]

I see says I. ;-) Thank you for the facts.

So too much estrogen can either mask or mimic a hypothyroid state.

What has kept me on the thyroid track is based on my neck and voice.

If it weren't for that, I'd probably be thinking of lesser things. So

to speak.

I did have a CT scan in Feb. 09 (due to tonsils/sinuses).

In May, my ENT said he'd like a follow up scan in December. He

said, " Because of the (my) fear of Cancer... "

Which, I thought odd. If you think the person is anxious and their

thoughts unfounded...why would you suggest that? lol

If I were confident (doc), I would say that if it were to make the

patient feel better, a follow up scan is an option. Rather than

suggest it.

Since my tonsils have been removed, I have changed my thoughts to

considering the " horses " as apposed to " zebras. "

I suppose if my doc prescribes Progesterone, first and I have a

negative reaction...suggestive that I do not have too much Estrogen.

~Kate

>

> Estrogen dominance can mask a thyroid problem:

>

> Unopposed estrogen (estrogen dominance) can interfere with thyroid

hormone activity and is often a primary underlying cause of thyroid

dysfunction. Because estrogen and thyroid hormone have opposing

actions (probably at the thyroid hormone receptor level) unopposed

Estrogen will prevent the thyroid hormone from " completing its

mission, " resulting in " hypothyroid symptoms. " This excess estrogen

is often responsible for the symptoms of Hypothyroidism, despite

normal serum levels of Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH).

>

> Estrogen dominance does not alter the results of the TSH test as

much as the TT4 and TT3 and is a good argument for FT3 and FT4.

>

>

> Total T4: Reflects the total amount of T4 present in the blood,

i.e., the protein bound (unavailable) T4 and the Free T4. Note that

high levels of estrogens (birth control pills, non-bio-identical

hormone replacement, or pregnancy) or estrogen dominance can increase

the amount of the protein that binds T4. This will produce misleading

elevated Total T4 values which can look like ?hyperthyroidism? when

it is not.

> Total T3: Reflects the total amount of T3 present in the blood,

i.e., the protein bound (unavailable) T3 as well as the Free T3.

Again, estrogen dominance creates the same effect as mentioned in

relationship to T4 above.

> Free T4: Reflects the biologically active (free) form of T4. This

T4 can be converted to T3 or RT3. This value is relatively stable and

not influenced by estrogen dominance.

> Free T3: Reflects the biologically active (free) form of T3 that

can generate production of energy (in the form of ATP). This value is

relatively stable and not influenced by estrogen dominance.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Judy,

You have one outstanding, loving, wonderful mother. She sounds like a real sweetheart.

In my observation, it seems that those who understand hardships, insightful...make wonderful mothers (and fathers).

Too, I hear a great deal more wisdom by those who have known such times, as apposed to those who have not.

If you ask me, I was prime for a serious, hard knock. Either a) I deserved it or God knew that the only possible way for me to reach the gate of Heaven, is in a negative experience (producing a positive change). lol

I'm hard-headed. My mother, is a wonderful mum too. Though, she and I have had our differences. In fact, it hasn't been until the last few years that she and I have grown closer. I was a "tough case" for her.We have different "personalities." On the outside, I was tough! Seemingly untouched by the tragedy around me. In my youth, I remember my mother telling me this, "Kate, you're a warlord (justice meant everything to me and I took a beating in leading a "high profile" (vocal) position in school.)... You should be good at being a drill sergeant and better for you, if you marry one." The funny thing is...instead, I married a police sergeant. lmbo

Anyway. In having to deal with some things, has caused me to re-evaluate some things. I'm much closer to people now, then I have ever been. Considerably more understanding and empathetic. Funny thing is, even though hard...people have always mattered to me. It's just that I drew the line in the wrong place. I left out a-lot of good, deserving people.

It's strange, really. Years ago, I felt a-lot of anger, at people and the injustice they incurred. While rightfully so, I was leaving out so much of the good. I was misguided. I think God knew my heart but saw that I was heading off in the wrong direction.

Months ago, feeling so low, feeling like the world was upon my shoulder, unhappy with my experiences and heartache for those who have been going through such terrible hardships...found myself comfortably alone, on the beach, a wonderful sunset, beautiful mountains, the seagulls perched upon a few rocks nearby...I just cried and cried. I just talked, to God and I prayed for Him to have mercy on us. Something I never conceived of praying, years ago.

I want to become well, I have desires that I want to pursue, that have been on my mind for a few years now. What has happened, this past year...really drove that home.

I want to work with the elderly and an outreach program for those who are ill. Purely voluntary.In my heart of hearts, I know what I was created for. Somewhere along the line, I got on the wrong track. Yes, justice is necessary but there are 2 sides to that. There is enough condemnation in this world. There are enough people out there to take care of the genuinely bad. I now know that it was not for me to do, the latter.

What this world so greatly lacks and so desperately needs...is people ...just like your mother.

As for starting up something new in our "older" years...I'm right with you on that one, I totally agree!

Ever since I was in 7th grade, I knew what I wanted to do (hobby)...drumming! Even prior, I was playing the spoons at the age of 8 and had a tendency to tap to music (both feet and hands/fingers)on the radio or that was going through my mind. I never fit the stereotype that those who did well in math/science...couldn't or had no desire in the field of "arts." The only ones who think that...are those who truly don't understand either or limited themselves to thinking that is how they should be. The same is true on the other end of the spectrum.

In December, prior to falling to pieces...I finally took the plunge and ordered a beautiful drum kit. I have yet to put it together. I need to feel better. No, I am not looking to be the next Gene Krupa, Sandy , Lars Ulrich and whathaveyou. Just want to follow my heart...finally...even if I am not band material. lol

You are NEVER too old to take up a new hobby. No darned such thing as being too old...just as long as you have the desire and at least some physical means to accomplish it. This girl will never grow up, in that regard.

In reading about you, in seems that you had both a tragic, yet beautiful upbringing. A genuine love story.

If you don't mind my asking, what career did you pursue?

Sorry for saying all this. Not many people hear this. I suppose that (just saying what's on my mind) has to do with my having seeing more honesty with those who have/are suffering. Too, many people who know me...haven't heard my other side. Seemingly out of character if I did, I think but am beginning to open up...even if they don't care for it. If it gives them something to think about and in turn, helps them or those they deal with...is worth it to me, to put my heart on the line.

Sincerely,~Kate

>> It's funny Kate, but I never really thought of blaming anyone. My mom was the best at working with my symptoms as she had no idea what was really wrong. She would take me to the woods and park to study with me before a test because it was so difficult for me to concentrate at home. She would sit with me for hours every week while I tried to go to the bathroom. She even had a seamstress that would make clothes for me because there was no real clothing for plus kids back then. She never once got impatient with me over anything and was truly happy when I finally got a diagnosis. I don't know how I would have turned out if it weren't for her, so in that way, I was truly blessed, and I guess without the illness, I would have just blended in and never had those memories (smiling tears on the keyboard).> > I have become much more open to people as well and I really like it that way. I'm just waiting (LOL) for the rest to catch up and start treating me that way! Everyone is dealing with their own demons and many are just trying to get by day to day. I try not to dwell on it, of course, but once in a while, it creaps back in. My dad made me quit tap dancing when I went into high school because he thought it would affect my grades, so 2 years ago, at 51 years of age, I took tap dancing lessons. I hadn't forgotten a step and it was great fun. I tell my kids, who think they're too old to start something, that you're never as old as you think you are. Thanks for the support... Judy> > ---------------------------------> > Reading about your life, one word came to mind. Tragedy! As a child, being held hostage by your condition was terrible. Then to have been > discounted as being lazy, stupid and fat...you were placed between a rock and a hard spot. I think if it were me this happened to, would > have crushed my spirit. If I were the parent, after realizing that it wasn't your fault...would have felt immense guilt. Something I suspect that I'd > take to my grave, even if forgiven.> > > > ---------------------------------> We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups.>

[Guest guest]

There are a few things I think here. 1) if natural herbs (exercise,

meditation or whatever positive) helps you...perfect!

If not and irregardless, the problem needs to be addressed and worked

on.

I don't believe in escapism, so-to-speak.

Which leads me to this- however, if not abused and it helps put you

on track...and of course before I say this, I must say:

I don't know enough about the thyroid and medications but if this

doesn't interfere, Lorazopam is an option. Again, not forgetting what

I said above.

After my tonsils were removed, I was given Lorazopam. I had some left

over and when I hit a point of anxiety (just plain weird, it was) I

took half dosage. Which, I believe, was .5 mg

It helped take the edge off. It allowed me to get " a grip. " As with

anything, it's a medication that needs to be respected. I hate

dependence of anything.

Sometimes it (medications)is required, such as with many chronic

illness.

As for Lorazopam, it can be taken on a as-needed basis. It acts

relatively quickly. About 15 minutes and lasts a few hours.

Again, something I would only resort to (if I had a RX) in severe

cases. In the meantime, working out the issue is the ultimate cure.

As with anything that is serious/matters most to us: requires time,

patience and consistency.

Best,

~Kate

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is a list from

> > > > > >

> > > > > > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > ----> Less stamina than others

> > > > > ----> Less energy than others

> > > > > > Inability to hold children for very long

> > > > > ----> Arms feeling like dead weights after activity

> > > > > ----> Chronic Low Grade Depression

> > > > > ----> Often feeling cold

> > > > > ----> Cold hands and feet

> > > > > > High cholesterol

> > > > > > Bizarre and Debilitating reaction to exercise

> > > > > ----Becoming > Hard stools

> > > > > > Constipation

> > > > > > No eyebrows or thinning outer eyebrows

> > > > > ----Just plain funky > Dry Hair

> > > > > ----> Hair Loss

> > > > > > Dry cracking skin

> > > > > ----> Nodding off easily

> > > > > ----> Requires naps in the afternoon

> > > > > ----> Inability to concentrate or read long periods of time

> > > > > ----> Forgetfulness

> > > > > ----> Foggy thinking

> > > > > > Inability to lose weight

> > > > > > Always gaining weight

> > > > > > Inability to function in a relationship with anyone

> > > > > ----> NO sex drive

> > > > > ----> Moody periods

> > > > > > PMS

> > > > > > Excruciating pain during period

> > > > > > Nausea

> > > > > ----> Swelling/edema/puffiness

> > > > > ----> Aching bones/muscles

> > > > > > Osteoporosis

> > > > > ----> Bumps on legs

> > > > > ----starting back up> Acne on face and in hair

> > > > > ----starting back up> Breakout on chest and arms

> > > > > ----I think> Hives

> > > > > ----> Exhaustion in every dimension?physical, mental,

> > spiritual,

> > > > emotional

> > > > > > Inability to work full-time

> > > > > ----> Inability to stand on feet for long periods

> > > > > ----> Complete lack of motivation

> > > > > > Slowing to a snail?s pace when walking up slight grade

> > > > > ----trying to keep a " cap " on it> Extremely crabby,

irritable,

> > > > intolerant of

> > > > > others

> > > > > > Handwriting nearly illegible

> > > > > > Internal itching of ears

> > > > > > Broken/peeling fingernails

> > > > > ----starting back up> Dry skin or snake skin

> > > > > ----fluctuates but better than in March!> Major

anxiety/worry

> > > > > > Ringing in ears

> > > > > > Lactose Intolerance

> > > > > ----> Inability to eat in the mornings

> > > > > ----> No hair growth, breaks faster than it grows

> > > > > ----> Joint pain

> > > > > ----> Carpal tunnel symptoms

> > > > > ----though it can swing > No Appetite

> > > > > > Fluid retention to the point of Congestive Heart Failure

> > > > > > Swollen legs that prevented walking

> > > > > ----changes > Blood Pressure problems

> > > > > ----> Varicose Vains

> > > > > > Dizziness from fluid on the inner ear

> > > > > ----though changing to higher now > Low body temperature

> > > > > ----> Sore feet (plantar fasciitis); painful soles of feet

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -------Original Message-------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: Kate

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the past, I've read so many conflicting " answers. "

Perhaps

> > > > some

> > > > > > has to do with those who are on meds and those who are

not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If TSH is truly not adequate for testing for thyroid, why

do

> > so

> > > > many

> > > > > > doctors resort to testing only the TSH? It seems that

they do

> > not

> > > > > > veer off TSH unless you have been diagnosed with a thyroid

> > > > condition

> > > > > > & taking meds.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is there a site, listing symptoms from patients. I do see

> > there

> > > > are

> > > > > > many symptoms but am wondering if there is a greater list,

> > > > according

> > > > > > to patient's personal experience.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One thing I am curious about, is voice. I've read that

> > thyroid

> > > > > > conditions can cause a voice change i.e. hoarseness but

can

> > it

> > > > simply

> > > > > > change the sound, though not be hoarse?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Today I will be bringing my oldest daughter to the doctors

> > for a

> > > > > > reoccurring scalp condition (like eczema) and what looks

like

> > > > > > vitiligo around her hairline. After the exam was finished,

> > going

> > > > to

> > > > > > hand him my folder. As it stands, I didn't get around to

> > > > finishing it

> > > > > > and so will ask him if he minds I take this approach.

That'll

> > be

> > > > the

> > > > > > start for me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A few here have said that I should have my ft3 and ft4

> > checked.

> > > > > > Somebody else mentioned Hashimotos. Would the ft3 & 4

> > indicate if

> > > > > > there is a possibility of Hashi's? I realize there is an

> > antibody

> > > > for

> > > > > > that but am wondering if the ft3 & 4 will cover it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ~Kate

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Deana,

The other thing to pay attention to, is your breathing. Holding your

breath or breathing in too shallow can cause anxiety symptoms or

worsen them.

When you are stressed and happen to think about it, think about your

breathing. Under stress, try to breath in deeply from your abdomen

and exhale slowly.

~Kate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is a list from

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > ----> Less stamina than others

> > > > > > ----> Less energy than others

> > > > > > > Inability to hold children for very long

> > > > > > ----> Arms feeling like dead weights after activity

> > > > > > ----> Chronic Low Grade Depression

> > > > > > ----> Often feeling cold

> > > > > > ----> Cold hands and feet

> > > > > > > High cholesterol

> > > > > > > Bizarre and Debilitating reaction to exercise

> > > > > > ----Becoming > Hard stools

> > > > > > > Constipation

> > > > > > > No eyebrows or thinning outer eyebrows

> > > > > > ----Just plain funky > Dry Hair

> > > > > > ----> Hair Loss

> > > > > > > Dry cracking skin

> > > > > > ----> Nodding off easily

> > > > > > ----> Requires naps in the afternoon

> > > > > > ----> Inability to concentrate or read long periods of

time

> > > > > > ----> Forgetfulness

> > > > > > ----> Foggy thinking

> > > > > > > Inability to lose weight

> > > > > > > Always gaining weight

> > > > > > > Inability to function in a relationship with anyone

> > > > > > ----> NO sex drive

> > > > > > ----> Moody periods

> > > > > > > PMS

> > > > > > > Excruciating pain during period

> > > > > > > Nausea

> > > > > > ----> Swelling/edema/puffiness

> > > > > > ----> Aching bones/muscles

> > > > > > > Osteoporosis

> > > > > > ----> Bumps on legs

> > > > > > ----starting back up> Acne on face and in hair

> > > > > > ----starting back up> Breakout on chest and arms

> > > > > > ----I think> Hives

> > > > > > ----> Exhaustion in every dimension?physical, mental,

> > > spiritual,

> > > > > emotional

> > > > > > > Inability to work full-time

> > > > > > ----> Inability to stand on feet for long periods

> > > > > > ----> Complete lack of motivation

> > > > > > > Slowing to a snail?s pace when walking up slight grade

> > > > > > ----trying to keep a " cap " on it> Extremely crabby,

> irritable,

> > > > > intolerant of

> > > > > > others

> > > > > > > Handwriting nearly illegible

> > > > > > > Internal itching of ears

> > > > > > > Broken/peeling fingernails

> > > > > > ----starting back up> Dry skin or snake skin

> > > > > > ----fluctuates but better than in March!> Major

> anxiety/worry

> > > > > > > Ringing in ears

> > > > > > > Lactose Intolerance

> > > > > > ----> Inability to eat in the mornings

> > > > > > ----> No hair growth, breaks faster than it grows

> > > > > > ----> Joint pain

> > > > > > ----> Carpal tunnel symptoms

> > > > > > ----though it can swing > No Appetite

> > > > > > > Fluid retention to the point of Congestive Heart Failure

> > > > > > > Swollen legs that prevented walking

> > > > > > ----changes > Blood Pressure problems

> > > > > > ----> Varicose Vains

> > > > > > > Dizziness from fluid on the inner ear

> > > > > > ----though changing to higher now > Low body temperature

> > > > > > ----> Sore feet (plantar fasciitis); painful soles of feet

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -------Original Message-------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: Kate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the past, I've read so many conflicting " answers. "

> Perhaps

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > has to do with those who are on meds and those who are

> not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If TSH is truly not adequate for testing for thyroid,

why

> do

> > > so

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > doctors resort to testing only the TSH? It seems that

> they do

> > > not

> > > > > > > veer off TSH unless you have been diagnosed with a

thyroid

> > > > > condition

> > > > > > > & taking meds.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is there a site, listing symptoms from patients. I do

see

> > > there

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > many symptoms but am wondering if there is a greater

list,

> > > > > according

> > > > > > > to patient's personal experience.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One thing I am curious about, is voice. I've read that

> > > thyroid

> > > > > > > conditions can cause a voice change i.e. hoarseness but

> can

> > > it

> > > > > simply

> > > > > > > change the sound, though not be hoarse?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Today I will be bringing my oldest daughter to the

doctors

> > > for a

> > > > > > > reoccurring scalp condition (like eczema) and what

looks

> like

> > > > > > > vitiligo around her hairline. After the exam was

finished,

> > > going

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > hand him my folder. As it stands, I didn't get around to

> > > > > finishing it

> > > > > > > and so will ask him if he minds I take this approach.

> That'll

> > > be

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > start for me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A few here have said that I should have my ft3 and ft4

> > > checked.

> > > > > > > Somebody else mentioned Hashimotos. Would the ft3 & 4

> > > indicate if

> > > > > > > there is a possibility of Hashi's? I realize there is an

> > > antibody

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > that but am wondering if the ft3 & 4 will cover it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ~Kate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh! I can testify for 2 people who are shallow breathers: my mom and

me! Even worse, since I became aware of it...had even found myeslf

holding my breath, briefly, at times.

Ever feel like, say for example, in a debate and while you are

listening...feels like something welling up? lol Well, I have...found

it was my chest expanding because I was holding my breath in briefly.

Kind of funny, really.

When I got out, hiking...wow. Felt different and while difficult, was

refreshing. All that fresh air circulating through my body. A-lot of

fresh air does wonders for the mind, spirit and if you have trouble

sleeping...all that fresh air helps put you to rest. ;-)

Funny, you mention Yoga...my 15 year old daughter told me that she

thought it might be helpful for me. Hmmmm....

~Kate

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is a list from

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ----> Less stamina than others

> > > > > > > ----> Less energy than others

> > > > > > > > Inability to hold children for very long

> > > > > > > ----> Arms feeling like dead weights after activity

> > > > > > > ----> Chronic Low Grade Depression

> > > > > > > ----> Often feeling cold

> > > > > > > ----> Cold hands and feet

> > > > > > > > High cholesterol

> > > > > > > > Bizarre and Debilitating reaction to exercise

> > > > > > > ----Becoming > Hard stools

> > > > > > > > Constipation

> > > > > > > > No eyebrows or thinning outer eyebrows

> > > > > > > ----Just plain funky > Dry Hair

> > > > > > > ----> Hair Loss

> > > > > > > > Dry cracking skin

> > > > > > > ----> Nodding off easily

> > > > > > > ----> Requires naps in the afternoon

> > > > > > > ----> Inability to concentrate or read long periods

of

> time

> > > > > > > ----> Forgetfulness

> > > > > > > ----> Foggy thinking

> > > > > > > > Inability to lose weight

> > > > > > > > Always gaining weight

> > > > > > > > Inability to function in a relationship with anyone

> > > > > > > ----> NO sex drive

> > > > > > > ----> Moody periods

> > > > > > > > PMS

> > > > > > > > Excruciating pain during period

> > > > > > > > Nausea

> > > > > > > ----> Swelling/edema/puffiness

> > > > > > > ----> Aching bones/muscles

> > > > > > > > Osteoporosis

> > > > > > > ----> Bumps on legs

> > > > > > > ----starting back up> Acne on face and in hair

> > > > > > > ----starting back up> Breakout on chest and arms

> > > > > > > ----I think> Hives

> > > > > > > ----> Exhaustion in every dimension?physical, mental,

> > > > spiritual,

> > > > > > emotional

> > > > > > > > Inability to work full-time

> > > > > > > ----> Inability to stand on feet for long periods

> > > > > > > ----> Complete lack of motivation

> > > > > > > > Slowing to a snail?s pace when walking up slight

grade

> > > > > > > ----trying to keep a " cap " on it> Extremely crabby,

> > irritable,

> > > > > > intolerant of

> > > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > Handwriting nearly illegible

> > > > > > > > Internal itching of ears

> > > > > > > > Broken/peeling fingernails

> > > > > > > ----starting back up> Dry skin or snake skin

> > > > > > > ----fluctuates but better than in March!> Major

> > anxiety/worry

> > > > > > > > Ringing in ears

> > > > > > > > Lactose Intolerance

> > > > > > > ----> Inability to eat in the mornings

> > > > > > > ----> No hair growth, breaks faster than it grows

> > > > > > > ----> Joint pain

> > > > > > > ----> Carpal tunnel symptoms

> > > > > > > ----though it can swing > No Appetite

> > > > > > > > Fluid retention to the point of Congestive Heart

Failure

> > > > > > > > Swollen legs that prevented walking

> > > > > > > ----changes > Blood Pressure problems

> > > > > > > ----> Varicose Vains

> > > > > > > > Dizziness from fluid on the inner ear

> > > > > > > ----though changing to higher now > Low body

temperature

> > > > > > > ----> Sore feet (plantar fasciitis); painful soles of

feet

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -------Original Message-------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: Kate

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the past, I've read so many

conflicting " answers. "

> > Perhaps

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > has to do with those who are on meds and those who

are

> > not.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If TSH is truly not adequate for testing for

thyroid,

> why

> > do

> > > > so

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > doctors resort to testing only the TSH? It seems

that

> > they do

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > veer off TSH unless you have been diagnosed with a

> thyroid

> > > > > > condition

> > > > > > > > & taking meds.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is there a site, listing symptoms from patients. I

do

> see

> > > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > many symptoms but am wondering if there is a

greater

> list,

> > > > > > according

> > > > > > > > to patient's personal experience.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One thing I am curious about, is voice. I've read

that

> > > > thyroid

> > > > > > > > conditions can cause a voice change i.e. hoarseness

but

> > can

> > > > it

> > > > > > simply

> > > > > > > > change the sound, though not be hoarse?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Today I will be bringing my oldest daughter to the

> doctors

> > > > for a

> > > > > > > > reoccurring scalp condition (like eczema) and what

> looks

> > like

> > > > > > > > vitiligo around her hairline. After the exam was

> finished,

> > > > going

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > hand him my folder. As it stands, I didn't get

around to

> > > > > > finishing it

> > > > > > > > and so will ask him if he minds I take this

approach.

> > That'll

> > > > be

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > start for me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A few here have said that I should have my ft3 and

ft4

> > > > checked.

> > > > > > > > Somebody else mentioned Hashimotos. Would the ft3 &

4

> > > > indicate if

> > > > > > > > there is a possibility of Hashi's? I realize there

is an

> > > > antibody

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > that but am wondering if the ft3 & 4 will cover it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ~Kate

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No, not expanding...expanded. lol

~Kate

> >

> > Deana,

> >

> > Kate has a point. There is a type of exercise called 'Breath

Work'

> and you might want to look into it. I was doing breath work as a

> part of my yoga teacher cert. training and it was wonderful. There

> is a book you can pick up called 'The Breathing Book' by Donna

> Farhi. It has lots of good info on breathing and how to maximize

> your breath. Did you know that Americans are the LARGEST amount of

> shallow breathers IN THE WORLD?? We only use about 1/3 of our lung

> space for air. I say 1/3 because there are 3 different main types

of

> breathing. Full breathing (like you breathe when you are laying

down

> on the floor) and then there's 'stomach breathing' which is only

> breathing from your diaphragm (singers often use this) and then

> there's shoulder breathing, where you breathe into your shoulders.

> (Causing them to rise as you breathe). I had to learn all of them

> and implement them for my training to use with about 300 different

> asanas (yoga stances/postures).

> >

> > It sounds soooo simple but I can tell you as someone who used to

> have anxiety attacks & depression.... can do a world of good. Plus

> you know, if you're not getting enough oxygen, you get tired more

and

> don't have as much energy.

> >

> > I hope that helps.

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: So, what's the real

deal

> with TSH (and symptoms list?)

> >

> >

> > Deana,

> >

> > The other thing to pay attention to, is your breathing. Holding

> your

> > breath or breathing in too shallow can cause anxiety symptoms

or

> > worsen them.

> >

> > When you are stressed and happen to think about it, think about

> your

> > breathing. Under stress, try to breath in deeply from your

> abdomen

> > and exhale slowly.

> >

> > ~Kate