adrenal stress profile question; high cortisol/DHEA ratio

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SO I got my adrenal stress test back and it looks more hyper-adrenal

that hypo-adrenal and wondered your input. Below are my tests results

and from what i have googled. I am sorry I do not have my AI book today

so I am not sure what AI says

Morning 27.2 HIGH (normal range 12-24)

noon 5.60 NORMAL (normal range 5-8.0)

afternoon 3.1 LOW (normal range 4-7.0)

nighttime 2.4 NORMAL (normal range 1-3.0)

Cortisol SUM 38.3 NORMAL (normal range 23-42)

DHEA-Saverage 2.35 LOW NORMAL (normal 2-10)

Total Cortisol/DHEA Ratio 16.3 HIGH (normal 5.-6.0)

So it looks like one problem is a high cortisol/DHEA ratio

FROM GOOG:E SEARCH

Upon searching google it seems like a high cortisol/dhea ratio may be

due to higher levels of stress/poor sleep and can contribute to lowered

gut immunity by affecting one mucosal lining along with other

autoimmune problems including parasites, and viruses. Also a high

cortisol/dhea ratio is consistent with panic attacks, memory problems

and mood

http://www.biodia.com/resources_value_of_adrenal_stress_testing.html

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2001/aug2001_report_dhea_01.html

General recommended treatment seems to be DHEA oR DHEA/7-KETO and or

Panax ginseng??

Any thoughts

Thank you

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where is the best place to get an adrenal stress test?

thanks

monique

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I got mine from my nutritionist. so you do not need to go to a doctor.

The most recent one was from Biohealth Diagnostic labs in San Diego

http://www.biodia.com/resources_value_of_adrenal_stress_testing.html

I had one done two years ago from Diagnos-Techs Inc in Washington State

(phone ). The one from 2 years ago had more

tests/measurements including ones for progesterone//Total salivary IgA

(SIgA) Gliudin Ab and Insulin. So I am not sure if more tests are

better or if these labs NOW all just do the ones that I had done

Does anyone know for sure if all tests are better or iof is just the

way all labs do it now??

I read in (I believe) the file section on this forum that there is an

internet source for hydrocortisone if you have low adrenals. Otherwise

I was under the impression that hydrocortisone had to be prescribed by

a dr

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> where is the best place to get an adrenal stress test?

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> thanks

> monique

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> SO I got my adrenal stress test back and it looks more hyper-adrenal

> that hypo-adrenal and wondered your input. Below are my tests results

> and from what i have googled. I am sorry I do not have my AI book today

> so I am not sure what AI says

>

>

> Morning 27.2 HIGH (normal range 12-24)

> noon 5.60 NORMAL (normal range 5-8.0)

> afternoon 3.1 LOW (normal range 4-7.0)

> nighttime 2.4 NORMAL (normal range 1-3.0)

What this says to me is you have adequate cortisol in the morning

and night, and not enough at noon and afternoon times. You do have

a relatively normal cortisol curve, which is a good thing.

Remember reference ranges are based on relatively healthy people.

Bodies under stress need more cortisol. You don't necessarily have

to get cortisol by taking HC.

> Cortisol SUM 38.3 NORMAL (normal range 23-42)

Reasonable total cortisol. You might need more at certain times.

Do you happen to remember how you were feeling or what you were

doing at the four time points or on this day overall? That

information might be useful to take into account - eg, if you were

sleeping at the noon or afternoon time point, maybe your body's

demand for cortisol wasn't that high.

> DHEA-Saverage 2.35 LOW NORMAL (normal 2-10)

Low DHEA. Trying some DHEA and/or pregnenolone is a good idea.

I would be a bit cautious with the dose, especially since you

already know you have liver issues and you might have trouble

metabolizing it - or might not. Your body can make DHEA and

cortisol from pregnenolone. If you provide this, your body can

make the decision of what you need.

> Total Cortisol/DHEA Ratio 16.3 HIGH (normal 5.-6.0)

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> So it looks like one problem is a high cortisol/DHEA ratio

>

> FROM GOOG:E SEARCH

>

> Upon searching google it seems like a high cortisol/dhea ratio may be

> due to higher levels of stress/poor sleep and can contribute to lowered

> gut immunity by affecting one mucosal lining along with other

> autoimmune problems including parasites, and viruses. Also a high

> cortisol/dhea ratio is consistent with panic attacks, memory problems

> and mood

DHEA is certainly helpful with immunity.

> http://www.biodia.com/resources_value_of_adrenal_stress_testing.html

>

> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2001/aug2001_report_dhea_01.html

>

> General recommended treatment seems to be DHEA oR DHEA/7-KETO and or

> Panax ginseng??

>

> Any thoughts

My main thought is it is hard to know what will work for you without

experiment. I would try DHEA and/or pregnenolone first. You can see

what your doc suggests, too. I think there is some art to hormone

balance. You will need to combine objective facts about what is

supposed to be good for your situation with your experience of how

it feels.

Just my two cents, which you might want to discount some because

I am still trying to get my hormones balanced :-)

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p.s. I have found this group to have an archive of messages that is

full of interesting information about hormones, hormone balancing,

etc:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-Naturally/

When reading other groups (or websites or books) about hormones or

other health information, you have to put it into a Cutler context,

but there is useful information out there and the above group is one

place to look for it.

> Thank you

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> where is the best place to get an adrenal stress test?

>

> thanks

> monique

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Do you mean the 4 times per day saliva test?

The least expensive way I found is to join www.canaryclub.org and

order through them. I got the Diagnos-techs test that also measures

dhea, estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, and thyroid hormones.

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hi stephanie

thanks. are the Diagnos-techs tests more accurate for hormones than what

i can order from my family doc?

thanks

monique

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thanks michael. i got an ASI test done earlier this year where i had to

spit on a piece of cotton 4x a day and then send them in. the results

came back the lowest on the scale. so am on 10 mg cortef now and i take

dhea cream daily. i wonder if there is something else i can be doing for

my adrenals?

monique

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and

like said Diagnos-techs seems like the one to use. I called

my new dr's office who does not seem to charge a mark-up on these lab

tests and they told me the cost was $99, so they seem to be cheaper and

more information than bio-health which was $250

>frequent-dose-chelation , " " wrote:

Do you mean the 4 times per day saliva test?

> The least expensive way I found is to join www.canaryclub.org and

> order through them. I got the Diagnos-techs test that also measures

> dhea, estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, and thyroid hormones.

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> hi stephanie

>

> thanks. are the Diagnos-techs tests more accurate for hormones than

what

> i can order from my family doc?

>

> thanks

> monique

>

I know that many practitioners seem to trust the saliva tests from

Diagnos-techs and also ZRT labs. Those are the only two I have used.

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