Re: Another upset in Church

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Is this in your area? They didn't mention the low gluten hosts as an

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Is this in your area? They didn't mention the low gluten hosts as an

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Another upset in Church

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Is this in your area? They didn't mention the low gluten hosts as an

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Another upset in Church

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[Guest guest]

It's in my general area, although not my diocese.

I'm still using the very low gluten altar breads for Communion.

I can't even handle a whole one of those. And I can't handle it

more often than once/week.

Father breaks off an itty bitty piece of VLG Host for me.

This week we have a Mission at Church. I took Communion on Sunday

and again on Monday night. Tuesday I was miserable. Tuesday

night I told Father he didn't have to worry about my special

Host because I couldn't handle it three days in a row. Tonight

is the last night of the Mission. I'll go for Mass but I won't

take Communion. I need a little break.

So, while the very low gluten altar breads are a good option,

they're still more than some can handle, I guess.

It's the solution for me.

Esther in RI

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I've seen two versions of this story now, and I think they show the

family in a very selfish light. Holy Communion isn't just about " I

want! I want! " which seems to be the family's main thought, but rather

about receiving the consecrated Body of Jesus in accordance with the

laws and teachings of the Church. People in the Church worked very

hard to create a low-gluten host that has been reviewed and deemed

safe for celiacs by Dr. Fasano and others. Why isn't that family

investigating using it?

Maureen

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I've seen two versions of this story now, and I think they show the

family in a very selfish light. Holy Communion isn't just about " I

want! I want! " which seems to be the family's main thought, but rather

about receiving the consecrated Body of Jesus in accordance with the

laws and teachings of the Church. People in the Church worked very

hard to create a low-gluten host that has been reviewed and deemed

safe for celiacs by Dr. Fasano and others. Why isn't that family

investigating using it?

Maureen

[Guest guest]

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> http://cbs4boston.com/local/local_story_101222630.html

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I've seen two versions of this story now, and I think they show the

family in a very selfish light. Holy Communion isn't just about " I

want! I want! " which seems to be the family's main thought, but rather

about receiving the consecrated Body of Jesus in accordance with the

laws and teachings of the Church. People in the Church worked very

hard to create a low-gluten host that has been reviewed and deemed

safe for celiacs by Dr. Fasano and others. Why isn't that family

investigating using it?

Maureen

[Guest guest]

People are probably going to be upset at me for saying this but I'm

going to say it anyway. I don't think the family is being selfish at

all. Gluten is poison for people with celiac disease even if it is a

low gluten host. I think the church needs to make an exception,

just like for alcoholics and the wine. I understand that they put a

lot of thought into making a low gluten host but it still has

gluten. I am not Catholic, but my husband and his family are and

they agree with my thoughts as well. Some people can not tolerate

even a small grain and get sick so why would God put them through

that. He would not! At our Methodist church I know our minister

will make accomodations for our daughter when it is time for her to

take communion. So should the Catholic church for their members who

are celiac. I believe God certainly would. He loves us and would

not want us to hurt.

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> I've seen two versions of this story now, and I think they show the

> family in a very selfish light. Holy Communion isn't just about " I

> want! I want! " which seems to be the family's main thought, but

rather

> about receiving the consecrated Body of Jesus in accordance with

the

> laws and teachings of the Church. People in the Church worked very

> hard to create a low-gluten host that has been reviewed and deemed

> safe for celiacs by Dr. Fasano and others. Why isn't that family

> investigating using it?

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> Maureen

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[Guest guest]

I agree with you. I feel the church is not seeing the whole picture....Does it make that much of a difference if the host is made from rice. Isn't it the spirit of taking in the body of christ and not what it is made from. Mass Ochoa wrote: People are probably going to be upset at me for saying this but I'm going to say it anyway. I don't think the family is being selfish at all. Gluten is poison for people with celiac disease even if it is a low gluten host. I think the church needs to make an exception, just like for alcoholics and the wine. I understand that they put a lot of thought into making a low gluten host but it still has gluten. I am not Catholic, but my husband and his

family are and they agree with my thoughts as well. Some people can not tolerate even a small grain and get sick so why would God put them through that. He would not! At our Methodist church I know our minister will make accomodations for our daughter when it is time for her to take communion. So should the Catholic church for their members who are celiac. I believe God certainly would. He loves us and would not want us to hurt.> >> > http://cbs4boston.com/local/local_story_101222630.html> >> > I've seen two versions of this story now, and I think they show the> family in a very selfish light. Holy Communion isn't just about "I>

want! I want!" which seems to be the family's main thought, but rather> about receiving the consecrated Body of Jesus in accordance with the> laws and teachings of the Church. People in the Church worked very> hard to create a low-gluten host that has been reviewed and deemed> safe for celiacs by Dr. Fasano and others. Why isn't that family> investigating using it?> > Maureen>

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[Guest guest]

Actually, there are many reasons why the Catholic Church has made the

decisions it has. Some of them can be found at

http://www.catholicceliacs.org/Bishops.html. It definitely isn't the

local priest who made these rules - they were in fact written by Pope

Benedict XVI.

Nobody is forced to be a Catholic, and anyone who doesn't which to

follow Church teachings is free to leave. I don't like the rules, but

my faith means more to me than arguing over sacred teachings.

Maureen

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> I just do not understand why these churches will not allow the NO gluten

> host! There is absolutely no reason for it. If it were my daughter

having

> these issues then we would be finding a different church. This

group sounds

> like they have been learning and being prepared for their first

communion

> and the priest will not allow the rice host.

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> When my daughter gets old enough to take communion it will be with a

rice

> host and we will have it so she can take part in it just like the other

> kids.

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[Guest guest]

I've read a lot about this debate. I'm not Catholic, so if there are Catholics out there feel free to correct me but this is MY understanding. They feel that the bread is transfigured and actually becomes the body of Christ, based on the words at the last supper where He said, take this bread as a symbol of my body which was broken for you. (Paraphrased). As a Baptist, we don't believe in transfiguration, that it is just a SYMBOL, and therefore rice wafers are ok. The wheat is the part that is bread, so without some wheat, they don't believe it can be transfigured. That's why the Benedictine sisters created the low gluten version, which I also can't take.....

My pastor is looking into getting the gluten free ones for me. The last time we had Communion, I could only drink the grape juice and had to pass on the wafer. It felt so wrong.....and I don't think it's selfish to want to participate.

--loriann aka Victree the Christian clown

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I agree with you. I feel the church is not seeing the whole picture....Does it make that much of a difference if the host is made from rice. Isn't it the spirit of taking in the body of christ and not what it is made from.

Mass Ochoa wrote:

People are probably going to be upset at me for saying this but I'm going to say it anyway. I don't think the family is being selfish at all. Gluten is poison for people with celiac disease even if it is a low gluten host. I think the church needs to make an exception, just like for alcoholics and the wine. I understand that they put a lot of thought into making a low gluten host but it still has gluten. I am not Catholic, but my husband and his family are and they agree with my thoughts as well. Some people can not tolerate even a small grain and get sick so why would God put them through that. He would not! At our Methodist church I know our minister will make accomodations for our daughter when it is time for her to take communion. So should the Catholic church for their members who are celiac

.. I believe God certainly would. He loves us and would not want us to hurt.> >> > http://cbs4boston.com/local/local_story_101222630.html> >> > I've seen two versions of this story now, and I think they show the> family in a very selfish light. Holy Communion isn't just about "I> want! I want!" which seems to be the family's main thought, but rather> about receiving the consecrated Body of Jesus in accordance with the> laws and teachings of the Church. People in the Church worked very> hard to create a low-gluten host that has been reviewed and deemed> safe for celiacs by Dr. Fasano and others. Why isn't that family> investigating using it?> > Maureen>

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I've read a lot about this debate. I'm not Catholic, so if there are Catholics out there feel free to correct me but this is MY understanding. They feel that the bread is transfigured and actually becomes the body of Christ, based on the words at the last supper where He said, take this bread as a symbol of my body which was broken for you. (Paraphrased). As a Baptist, we don't believe in transfiguration, that it is just a SYMBOL, and therefore rice wafers are ok. The wheat is the part that is bread, so without some wheat, they don't believe it can be transfigured. That's why the Benedictine sisters created the low gluten version, which I also can't take.....

My pastor is looking into getting the gluten free ones for me. The last time we had Communion, I could only drink the grape juice and had to pass on the wafer. It felt so wrong.....and I don't think it's selfish to want to participate.

--loriann aka Victree the Christian clown

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I agree with you. I feel the church is not seeing the whole picture....Does it make that much of a difference if the host is made from rice. Isn't it the spirit of taking in the body of christ and not what it is made from.

Mass Ochoa wrote:

People are probably going to be upset at me for saying this but I'm going to say it anyway. I don't think the family is being selfish at all. Gluten is poison for people with celiac disease even if it is a low gluten host. I think the church needs to make an exception, just like for alcoholics and the wine. I understand that they put a lot of thought into making a low gluten host but it still has gluten. I am not Catholic, but my husband and his family are and they agree with my thoughts as well. Some people can not tolerate even a small grain and get sick so why would God put them through that. He would not! At our Methodist church I know our minister will make accomodations for our daughter when it is time for her to take communion. So should the Catholic church for their members who are celiac

.. I believe God certainly would. He loves us and would not want us to hurt.> >> > http://cbs4boston.com/local/local_story_101222630.html> >> > I've seen two versions of this story now, and I think they show the> family in a very selfish light. Holy Communion isn't just about "I> want! I want!" which seems to be the family's main thought, but rather> about receiving the consecrated Body of Jesus in accordance with the> laws and teachings of the Church. People in the Church worked very> hard to create a low-gluten host that has been reviewed and deemed> safe for celiacs by Dr. Fasano and others. Why isn't that family> investigating using it?> > Maureen>

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I've read a lot about this debate. I'm not Catholic, so if there are Catholics out there feel free to correct me but this is MY understanding. They feel that the bread is transfigured and actually becomes the body of Christ, based on the words at the last supper where He said, take this bread as a symbol of my body which was broken for you. (Paraphrased). As a Baptist, we don't believe in transfiguration, that it is just a SYMBOL, and therefore rice wafers are ok. The wheat is the part that is bread, so without some wheat, they don't believe it can be transfigured. That's why the Benedictine sisters created the low gluten version, which I also can't take.....

My pastor is looking into getting the gluten free ones for me. The last time we had Communion, I could only drink the grape juice and had to pass on the wafer. It felt so wrong.....and I don't think it's selfish to want to participate.

--loriann aka Victree the Christian clown

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I agree with you. I feel the church is not seeing the whole picture....Does it make that much of a difference if the host is made from rice. Isn't it the spirit of taking in the body of christ and not what it is made from.

Mass Ochoa wrote:

People are probably going to be upset at me for saying this but I'm going to say it anyway. I don't think the family is being selfish at all. Gluten is poison for people with celiac disease even if it is a low gluten host. I think the church needs to make an exception, just like for alcoholics and the wine. I understand that they put a lot of thought into making a low gluten host but it still has gluten. I am not Catholic, but my husband and his family are and they agree with my thoughts as well. Some people can not tolerate even a small grain and get sick so why would God put them through that. He would not! At our Methodist church I know our minister will make accomodations for our daughter when it is time for her to take communion. So should the Catholic church for their members who are celiac

.. I believe God certainly would. He loves us and would not want us to hurt.> >> > http://cbs4boston.com/local/local_story_101222630.html> >> > I've seen two versions of this story now, and I think they show the> family in a very selfish light. Holy Communion isn't just about "I> want! I want!" which seems to be the family's main thought, but rather> about receiving the consecrated Body of Jesus in accordance with the> laws and teachings of the Church. People in the Church worked very> hard to create a low-gluten host that has been reviewed and deemed> safe for celiacs by Dr. Fasano and others. Why isn't that family> investigating using it?> > Maureen>

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[Guest guest]

> 2000 years ago celiac disease wasnt diagnosed. People died from

> it. I'm sure Jesus wouldn't have offered one of his disciples WHEAT

> BREAD at dinner if he knew his friend had celiac disease and it

> would cause him to get sick. The world has become more advanced and

> so should the Churches. They make exceptions for St. s day

> dinner! And thats just a choice! Celiac is a medical condition. We

> shouldn't have to eat a low-GLUTEN wafer that makes us sick just

> because the Church has a " tradition " . You should walk out of Sunday

> Mass feeling good, not sick to your stomach.

While I do undestand the Vatican's belief that only a host containing

gluten is suitable for *the* Host, I don't believe Jesus was a

baguette, therefore I certainly feel the RC church *should*

accomodate modern congregations. They've certainly changed doctrine

to fit changing times over the last two millennia.

ygg

[Guest guest]

This is in response to the following type of comment... "On the contrary, the people who are demanding that the Catholic Churchchange 2000 years of laws and teaching are the ones looking only attheir own needs. Yes, to a Catholic it does matter what the host ismade from." I'm not even sure where to begin with this. The church is supposed to be like a family. She should not be excluded because of a medical condition. There are so many stories of Christ dining with others (including "sinners"--if they weren't excluded, why would someone with a medical condition be excluded?) or of the shepherd counting his sheep (yes, every one was important, )...I could go on & on. The church has historically changed it's mind on different issues for no good reason (for example, the increase in annulments, closing of church

properties with "holy land", etc), now here is a good reason to change something, and they're resistent. It's more important for her to participate than for them to drive home the fact that they're in charge & they make the rules. It's arrogant & uncalled for. And it certainly isn't Christian. On that note, I hope you all have a nice Easter. : )

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[Guest guest]

Can we please call a truce on this discussion? Perhaps we can all agree to disagree and hope the little girl in question is able to celebrate her 1st Communion in a way that is acceptable to all.