Re: problems with intestinal movement

[Guest guest]

Ok. I was going to give up on this one - again ! But then I thought no,

learning about goitrogens has made such a difference to my life, maybe by

explaining I can make a difference to someone else's life. Yes, there are a

lot of great nutrients in these foods, but nothing you can't get elsewhere.

And no, you wouldn't be sicker without them. And, no-one said you had to

give them all up. I explained that the thing to do was to find out which

ones affect you personnaly (like with food allergies - although I hasten to

add we are NOT talking about allergies here !)

And I think a lot of the problem people have with this subject is that they

just don't know what the effects are. Telling people not to eat goitrogens

is not like telling them not to smoke - ie you'll probably get get lung

cancer 20/30 years down the road. No, goitrogens have an almost immediate,

oh-my-god-kill-me-now-and-put-me-out-of-my-misery awful effect, just hours

after eating them.

Have you ever come over bad, in the middle of the afternoon say, feeling

like your going down with flu ? Shivering cold, achey, weepy, depressed,

trembling, headache, nausea, etc. Just wanting to curl up in bed, stick your

head under the covers and cry ! You think you've got flu but about

twenty-four hours later, the feeling has gone. You didn't have flu. You

probably ate a goitrogen.

To give you an example, in Egypt I ate a few mouthfuls of pear. It didn't

look like a pear, it didn't taste like a pear. It was only the next day that

I was told it was a pear. Within a few hours I was in bed, with two extra

blankets - despite the Egyptian heat - with the air conditioning turned off,

shivering and wishing I was dead ! It lasted twenty-four hours. And no,

before you ask, it wasn't food poisoning, and nobody else was ill. It was a

goitrogen. The same thing happens if I eat any soy or walnuts.

I don't suppose stopping eating soy would have any effect on your lab

results. But try eating some now, after all this time, and see what happens.

And if you're not feeling any better, it's probably because you're eating

other goitrogens - or your dose of hormone isn't high enough.

Ok. That's about it. If you don't believe me, or think I'm just

exaggerating, so be it. But maybe this explaination will help someone out

there. If so, then it was worth the effort.

I wish you well, Lili (NOT lilianewise !)

>

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>Subject: Re: problems with intestinal movement

>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:06:07 -0700 (PDT)

>

>I think I said both Sue, but that's ok, I also said that it was what I

>found in my research and that she should just dig some more. No worries.

>I can't imagine cutting out all of the foods on the second list. There are

>a lot of great nutrients there and I'm sure I'd be sicker without them.

>Living in the Great Lakes Region is goitrogenic, but I can't see all those

>folks moving any time soon. I had 30grams of soy protein every day for

>about 6 years before I knew that it was an issue. I've since switch to

>rice protein, but my labs and my symptoms haven't changed all that much, if

>anything, I'm worse now. A steak is just not a steak without the brussel

>sprouts and I cook them into oblivion until they taste like candy - yummmm.

> Is it Saturday yet? LOL... Judy

>

>---------------------------------

>

>Actually liilianwise it was Judy who said it was ok if they were cooked and

>ME who said it’s ok to eat SMALL amounts...

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Ok. I was going to give up on this one - again ! But then I thought no,

learning about goitrogens has made such a difference to my life, maybe by

explaining I can make a difference to someone else's life. Yes, there are a

lot of great nutrients in these foods, but nothing you can't get elsewhere.

And no, you wouldn't be sicker without them. And, no-one said you had to

give them all up. I explained that the thing to do was to find out which

ones affect you personnaly (like with food allergies - although I hasten to

add we are NOT talking about allergies here !)

And I think a lot of the problem people have with this subject is that they

just don't know what the effects are. Telling people not to eat goitrogens

is not like telling them not to smoke - ie you'll probably get get lung

cancer 20/30 years down the road. No, goitrogens have an almost immediate,

oh-my-god-kill-me-now-and-put-me-out-of-my-misery awful effect, just hours

after eating them.

Have you ever come over bad, in the middle of the afternoon say, feeling

like your going down with flu ? Shivering cold, achey, weepy, depressed,

trembling, headache, nausea, etc. Just wanting to curl up in bed, stick your

head under the covers and cry ! You think you've got flu but about

twenty-four hours later, the feeling has gone. You didn't have flu. You

probably ate a goitrogen.

To give you an example, in Egypt I ate a few mouthfuls of pear. It didn't

look like a pear, it didn't taste like a pear. It was only the next day that

I was told it was a pear. Within a few hours I was in bed, with two extra

blankets - despite the Egyptian heat - with the air conditioning turned off,

shivering and wishing I was dead ! It lasted twenty-four hours. And no,

before you ask, it wasn't food poisoning, and nobody else was ill. It was a

goitrogen. The same thing happens if I eat any soy or walnuts.

I don't suppose stopping eating soy would have any effect on your lab

results. But try eating some now, after all this time, and see what happens.

And if you're not feeling any better, it's probably because you're eating

other goitrogens - or your dose of hormone isn't high enough.

Ok. That's about it. If you don't believe me, or think I'm just

exaggerating, so be it. But maybe this explaination will help someone out

there. If so, then it was worth the effort.

I wish you well, Lili (NOT lilianewise !)

>

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>Subject: Re: problems with intestinal movement

>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:06:07 -0700 (PDT)

>

>I think I said both Sue, but that's ok, I also said that it was what I

>found in my research and that she should just dig some more. No worries.

>I can't imagine cutting out all of the foods on the second list. There are

>a lot of great nutrients there and I'm sure I'd be sicker without them.

>Living in the Great Lakes Region is goitrogenic, but I can't see all those

>folks moving any time soon. I had 30grams of soy protein every day for

>about 6 years before I knew that it was an issue. I've since switch to

>rice protein, but my labs and my symptoms haven't changed all that much, if

>anything, I'm worse now. A steak is just not a steak without the brussel

>sprouts and I cook them into oblivion until they taste like candy - yummmm.

> Is it Saturday yet? LOL... Judy

>

>---------------------------------

>

>Actually liilianwise it was Judy who said it was ok if they were cooked and

>ME who said it’s ok to eat SMALL amounts...

>

>

>

>

>---------------------------------

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Hi Spiff,

Yep, we be fine now LOL. Husband had his gall bladder removed and I got a whole thru the bottom of my foot but we are taking Friday off to go down on the RiverWalk, have lunch and chill before it’s Monday again LOL!

Thanks for the prayers, they DO work

SUe

Holy cow! Are you guys ok now? Adding you to my prayer list!

Spiff

JustYourTypeDTP wrote:

Joooo-deeee, Joooooo-deeeee, Juuuuuuu-dy! LOL

Who’s on first is what I wanna know!

And --- I am glad it’s not Saturday as I had a monster of a weekend — my husband ended up in the hospital for gallbladder surgery and I stepped on a rusty nail and ended up in the Emergency room myself...oy —I am so glad it’s NOT the weekend - too dangerous — I am safer here an my computer, albeit a bit under-educated in all this “schtuff.”

Silly Sue

[Guest guest]

I just didn't want others to consider eliminating an entire group of cancer fighting nutrition without knowing the other facts.  Who knows what they sprayed on that pear... Judy

--- Well put, Judy — I knew that thought was in this head of mine, just didn’t’ want to surface...LOL!

sue

[Guest guest]

According to this list (and I've seen this list before), I could only go

without approximately half of these vegetables for a few months, before I

would again have a folic acid anemia. Then my heart would be in dire

danger, for my future, plus I would feel even more horrible than I do now

(not saying that I've not had a goitrogenic reaction to some of these foods,

I frankly don't know whether I have or not, as it's all a mystery sometimes,

or a lot of the time). I've had a folic acid anemia, and I'm not going

there again, no way, goitrogen or not. I think that, in some cases, some

people are eating huge quantities of these things, while already hypothyroid

and on thyroid meds. One serving of most veggies is about 1/2 cup. It

seems that a lot of people don't understand what a serving actually is. I

can also eat about 1/2 of an entire chocolate cake at one time, lol, but

noone would ever say that THAT was good for me. As said, moderation in ALL

things, a lot of variety, not eating the same food over and over, from day

to day, as this sets the person up (who is susceptible to it) for more food

allergies. I still think that some of this is food allergy, not necessarily

goitrogen reaction. Five a day is the recommendation, and some sources say

that 9 may be, but I'm not so sure about that, it's too much for me.

Re: problems with intestinal movement

Hi Deana,

All the things you've listed below are goitrogens. And it's not just Hashi's

people that should be careful with them - they can effect anybody. But there

are certain things to bear in mind with goitrogens :

1) Everybody's different - what affects one person doesn't necessarily

affect another. You have to find what YOU can tolerate and what you can't.

The best way of doing this is to eliminate them all from your diet and then

reintroduce them one at a time, and see how you feel after eating them.

2) Someone said in another post that the goitrogenic effect is eliminated if

the vegetables are cooked. This is not necessarily true. Again, it depends

on the individual, and how sensitive he/she is to the goitrogen in question.

However, millet (if anybody apart from canaries eats that) becomes a more

powerful goitrogen when cooked.

3) The same someone said that you have to eat an awful lot before they have

any effect. This is true for euthyroid people, but not for people on thyroid

hormone replacement. If you are very sensitive to it, just a tiny scrape can

make you ill.

4) Soy is the worse goitrogen, because it can effect you in several ways

(can't remember all the details at the moment, sorry, brain fog ! lol). And

waiting until four hours after taking your hormones is no garantee that it

won't affect you. But, that said, some hypos aren't affected by it at all.

Up to you to find out what it does to you.

5) It's not just vegetables that are goitrogenic, there are also some fruits

:

strawberries

pears

peaches and nectarines

and some nuts :

almonds

walnuts

6) And there are some other vegetables that you didn't mention (might be

important for someone else) :

Asparagus

Bamboo shoots

Bok choy

Cassava

Chick peas

Flaxseed

Garlic

Horseradish

Kohlrabi

Legumes (beans and peas)

Linseed

Maize

Onion

Radishes

Rutabaga

Spinach

Sorghum

Swede

Sweet potatoes

Swiss chard

Turnip greens

White turnip

Wasabi

Watercress

So, that's about a complete list of possible goitrogens, I think. And the

good news is, you might not have to give up peanut butter after all ! I can

still eat it. I just can't eat strawberries, pears, walnuts, or any form of

soy.

Good luck,

Lili

>Broccoli

>Cauliflower

>Brussel Sprouts

>Cabbage

>Mustard

>Kale

>Turnips

>Rape seed (Canola Oil)

>

>Soy

>Pine nuts

>Millet

>Peanuts

>

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DEana:

Oooooh, I am truly sorry to hear that. You poor thing.

I would suggest you are having a bit of a hypo issue there. CLASSIC...really.

ARE YOU optimal in every other way... (no other symptoms)?

I should think you might want to add t3 if you haven't tried that or some herbs...(but remember) many do influence how your thryoid med hormones will be carried. If you are fully suppressed...this may be okay. There is much to be understood before diving into this realm though!

I should think you are gonna want to investigate the hypo angle there. I stuggle with GERD myself and it can make you want eat one minuete and not the next. The week, I hardly ate a thing and I lost two pounds. I do take herbs...but while they give me good motility, I feel like a set a small animals are wrestling through my intestines all day...which is a little unpleasant.

I'm thinking...apples and high protein (lower carbs)....with lemon in my water bottle may be an alternative.

~E:)

TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

problems with intestinal movement

Does anyone else have problems with food just not moving in your intestines with Hashimoto's or Hypo -- I have to take laxatives daily in order to get anything moving. It is very painful to eat. I have gone 2 days without having nothing but water because I just couldnt produce a movement - even with suppositories. I eat very healthy. I don't know what the issue is. My stomach is swollen like I am pregnant but the rest of my body is well proportioned.Please helpDeana

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DEana:

Oooooh, I am truly sorry to hear that. You poor thing.

I would suggest you are having a bit of a hypo issue there. CLASSIC...really.

ARE YOU optimal in every other way... (no other symptoms)?

I should think you might want to add t3 if you haven't tried that or some herbs...(but remember) many do influence how your thryoid med hormones will be carried. If you are fully suppressed...this may be okay. There is much to be understood before diving into this realm though!

I should think you are gonna want to investigate the hypo angle there. I stuggle with GERD myself and it can make you want eat one minuete and not the next. The week, I hardly ate a thing and I lost two pounds. I do take herbs...but while they give me good motility, I feel like a set a small animals are wrestling through my intestines all day...which is a little unpleasant.

I'm thinking...apples and high protein (lower carbs)....with lemon in my water bottle may be an alternative.

~E:)

TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

problems with intestinal movement

Does anyone else have problems with food just not moving in your intestines with Hashimoto's or Hypo -- I have to take laxatives daily in order to get anything moving. It is very painful to eat. I have gone 2 days without having nothing but water because I just couldnt produce a movement - even with suppositories. I eat very healthy. I don't know what the issue is. My stomach is swollen like I am pregnant but the rest of my body is well proportioned.Please helpDeana

[Guest guest]

DEana:

Oooooh, I am truly sorry to hear that. You poor thing.

I would suggest you are having a bit of a hypo issue there. CLASSIC...really.

ARE YOU optimal in every other way... (no other symptoms)?

I should think you might want to add t3 if you haven't tried that or some herbs...(but remember) many do influence how your thryoid med hormones will be carried. If you are fully suppressed...this may be okay. There is much to be understood before diving into this realm though!

I should think you are gonna want to investigate the hypo angle there. I stuggle with GERD myself and it can make you want eat one minuete and not the next. The week, I hardly ate a thing and I lost two pounds. I do take herbs...but while they give me good motility, I feel like a set a small animals are wrestling through my intestines all day...which is a little unpleasant.

I'm thinking...apples and high protein (lower carbs)....with lemon in my water bottle may be an alternative.

~E:)

TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

problems with intestinal movement

Does anyone else have problems with food just not moving in your intestines with Hashimoto's or Hypo -- I have to take laxatives daily in order to get anything moving. It is very painful to eat. I have gone 2 days without having nothing but water because I just couldnt produce a movement - even with suppositories. I eat very healthy. I don't know what the issue is. My stomach is swollen like I am pregnant but the rest of my body is well proportioned.Please helpDeana

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Deana:

I hope this doesn't come as an odd suggestion, but if you have an "ocean state job lot" store near you...they have great deals of olive oil.

I go through tons of the stuff and they have big bottles of good oil for cheap.

~E:)

TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

Re: problems with intestinal movement

Thank you to all who replied to my question. All of your posts have really given me some things to try. I will give a try this week and see if it gets better - since i did have a colonoscopy only less then a year ago and they found nothing wrong and nothing wrong within my stomach either. Thanks again, especially Judy. Your post hit it on the head for me.I was starting to wonder if our bodies can begin to work on there own after laxative use for a long period of time. I pray that none of this has to do with my Anorexia/Bulimia disorder that I had from the age of 14 to 29 thats 15 years of stuffing and purging or NOT EATING at all daily. It is a wonder I am even standing. I have learned the hard way and it has been a dificult recovery. I am still leary of adding any greens as someone said that Hashimoto people can not eatBroccoliCauliflowerBrussel SproutsCabbageMustardKaleTurnipsRape

seed (Canola Oil)SoyPine nutsMilletPeanutsUnfortunatley, Broccoli, Cauliflower, Brussels, Cabbage, Canola Oil, Pine Nuts, Millet breads and pastas, and Peanuts where ALL part of my WEEKLY grocery list. I am trying to learn new things to buy -I have made a good transition to salads for greens as well as spinach, but I am having trouble giving up peanut butter, canola oil (because olive and grape oil and coconut oil or soooooo expensive) they cost more then a roast. And I found a not too expensive bread that isnt made with millet - also cut out iodized salt and only use sea salt now. But I still fill like crap, go figure. I may have to just eat Fruits and vegetables the rest of my life and not eat any pasta ( Deana** >>

[Guest guest]

My understanding is this is not wise as your body is pulling nutrients and minerals out of that "fecal matter" for you to be healthy.

That is why it is there:)

Its better to eat right...and take a multivitamin. It just takes a little planning.

~E:)

TOTAL-Thyroidectomy 26 months post-op.

Re: problems with intestinal movement

Hmmm, has anyone had any good or bad experiences with Colon Cleansing, Detox, or any Body Purification Centers? I think a visit every so often would be easier for those that have busy schedules and for those that have 'not so great' eating habits, such as myself. I don't know how true this is but someone said that at one time, they had 10-15 lbs of fecal matter in their system.

liliane wise <lililiz (AT) hotmail (DOT) fr> wrote:

Hi Deana,All the things you've listed below are goitrogens. And it's not just Hashi's people that should be careful with them - they can effect anybody. But there are certain things to bear in mind with goitrogens :1) Everybody's different - what affects one person doesn't necessarily affect another. You have to find what YOU can tolerate and what you can't. The best way of doing this is to eliminate them all from your diet and then reintroduce them one at a time, and see how you feel after eating them.2) Someone said in another post that the goitrogenic effect is eliminated if the vegetables are cooked. This is not necessarily true. Again, it depends on the individual, and how sensitive he/she is to the goitrogen in question. However, millet (if anybody apart from canaries eats that) becomes a more powerful goitrogen when cooked.3) The same someone said that you have to eat an awful lot before they

have any effect. This is true for euthyroid people, but not for people on thyroid hormone replacement. If you are very sensitive to it, just a tiny scrape can make you ill.4) Soy is the worse goitrogen, because it can effect you in several ways (can't remember all the details at the moment, sorry, brain fog ! lol). And waiting until four hours after taking your hormones is no garantee that it won't affect you. But, that said, some hypos aren't affected by it at all. Up to you to find out what it does to you.5) It's not just vegetables that are goitrogenic, there are also some fruits :strawberriespearspeaches and nectarinesand some nuts :almondswalnuts6) And there are some other vegetables that you didn't mention (might be important for someone else) :AsparagusBamboo shootsBok choyCassavaChick

peasFlaxseedGarlicHorseradishKohlrabiLegumes (beans and peas)LinseedMaizeOnionRadishesRutabagaSpinachSorghumSwedeSweet potatoesSwiss chardTurnip greensWhite turnipWasabiWatercressSo, that's about a complete list of possible goitrogens, I think. And the good news is, you might not have to give up peanut butter after all ! I can still eat it. I just can't eat strawberries, pears, walnuts, or any form of soy.Good luck,Lili>Broccoli>Cauliflower>Brussel Sprouts>Cabbage>Mustard>Kale>Turnips>Rape seed (Canola Oil)>>Soy>Pine nuts>Millet>Peanuts>____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Découvrez un moyen pour éliminez tous les virus de votre PC ! http://safety.

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This is exactly why I get off of the AIM Fiberblend at intervals because I found out that it can pull a lot of potassium from your body, if you just keep on taking it in the 1 Tbsp doses twice per day for a very long time. I do the Fiberblend twice a day in that amt for a few wks, then get off of it for a wk or so, then go back to once a day in a one tsp dose, then off for 3 or 4 days, then start over again. This I have figured out over a long period of time, since I found out about the potassium pull. You won't find this info or my way of doing this on the label, though. THEY just say to take or work up to 1 Tbsp twice a day for, I think, around 3 months or so, then "as disired". The potassium thing could possibly be why they only hint at it. It is NOT a laxative, it "scrapes" and "sweeps" the intestines, due to the nature of the herbs that are in it, and the character of the texture also. I know that there are other good pure products out there, but I discovered this one several yrs ago, it works, so I've been sticking by it. The licorice could be a worry spot also, I don't know.

Re: problems with intestinal movement

Hmmm, has anyone had any good or bad experiences with Colon Cleansing, Detox, or any Body Purification Centers? I think a visit every so often would be easier for those that have busy schedules and for those that have 'not so great' eating habits, such as myself. I don't know how true this is but someone said that at one time, they had 10-15 lbs of fecal matter in their system.

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Hi, there!

On more suggestion...I've found that if I don't exercise regularly, this problem worsens. I think diet is important -- and we each have to figure out which foods work and which don't. But we also have to exercise to keep everything movin'!

Hope this helps,

Maureen

www.maureenpratt.com

[Guest guest]

Hi, there!

On more suggestion...I've found that if I don't exercise regularly, this problem worsens. I think diet is important -- and we each have to figure out which foods work and which don't. But we also have to exercise to keep everything movin'!

Hope this helps,

Maureen

www.maureenpratt.com

[Guest guest]

Sometimes it's a mixture of foods too. Foods that you can eat may set off stuff when you eat a goitrigen. Spiff wrote: According to this list (and I've seen this list before), I could only go without approximately half of these vegetables for a few months, before I would again have a folic acid anemia. Then my heart would be in dire danger, for my future, plus I would feel even more horrible than I do now (not saying that I've not had a goitrogenic reaction to

some of these foods, I frankly don't know whether I have or not, as it's all a mystery sometimes, or a lot of the time). I've had a folic acid anemia, and I'm not going there again, no way, goitrogen or not. I think that, in some cases, some people are eating huge quantities of these things, while already hypothyroid and on thyroid meds. One serving of most veggies is about 1/2 cup. It seems that a lot of people don't understand what a serving actually is. I can also eat about 1/2 of an entire chocolate cake at one time, lol, but noone would ever say that THAT was good for me. As said, moderation in ALL things, a lot of variety, not eating the same food over and over, from day to day, as this sets the person up (who is susceptible to it) for more food allergies. I still think that some of this is food allergy, not necessarily goitrogen reaction. Five a day is the recommendation, and some sources say that 9 may be, but I'm

not so sure about that, it's too much for me. Re: problems with intestinal movementHi Deana,All the things you've listed below are goitrogens. And it's not just Hashi'speople that should be careful with them - they can effect anybody. But thereare certain things to bear in mind with goitrogens :1) Everybody's different - what affects one person doesn't necessarilyaffect another. You have to find what YOU can tolerate and what you can't.The best way of doing this is to eliminate them all from your diet and thenreintroduce them one at a time, and see how you feel

after eating them.2) Someone said in another post that the goitrogenic effect is eliminated ifthe vegetables are cooked. This is not necessarily true. Again, it dependson the individual, and how sensitive he/she is to the goitrogen in question.However, millet (if anybody apart from canaries eats that) becomes a morepowerful goitrogen when cooked.3) The same someone said that you have to eat an awful lot before they haveany effect. This is true for euthyroid people, but not for people on thyroidhormone replacement. If you are very sensitive to it, just a tiny scrape canmake you ill.4) Soy is the worse goitrogen, because it can effect you in several ways(can't remember all the details at the moment, sorry, brain fog ! lol). Andwaiting until four hours after taking your hormones is no garantee that itwon't affect you. But, that said, some hypos aren't affected by it at all.Up to you to find out what it does

to you.5) It's not just vegetables that are goitrogenic, there are also some fruits:strawberriespearspeaches and nectarinesand some nuts :almondswalnuts6) And there are some other vegetables that you didn't mention (might beimportant for someone else) :AsparagusBamboo shootsBok choyCassavaChick peasFlaxseedGarlicHorseradishKohlrabiLegumes (beans and peas)LinseedMaizeOnionRadishesRutabagaSpinachSorghumSwedeSweet potatoesSwiss chardTurnip greensWhite turnipWasabiWatercressSo, that's about a complete list of possible goitrogens, I think. And thegood news is, you might not have to give up peanut butter after all ! I canstill eat it. I just can't eat strawberries, pears, walnuts, or any form ofsoy.Good luck,Lili>Broccoli>Cauliflower>Brussel

Sprouts>Cabbage>Mustard>Kale>Turnips>Rape seed (Canola Oil)>>Soy>Pine nuts>Millet>Peanuts>

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Sometimes it's a mixture of foods too. Foods that you can eat may set off stuff when you eat a goitrigen. Spiff wrote: According to this list (and I've seen this list before), I could only go without approximately half of these vegetables for a few months, before I would again have a folic acid anemia. Then my heart would be in dire danger, for my future, plus I would feel even more horrible than I do now (not saying that I've not had a goitrogenic reaction to

some of these foods, I frankly don't know whether I have or not, as it's all a mystery sometimes, or a lot of the time). I've had a folic acid anemia, and I'm not going there again, no way, goitrogen or not. I think that, in some cases, some people are eating huge quantities of these things, while already hypothyroid and on thyroid meds. One serving of most veggies is about 1/2 cup. It seems that a lot of people don't understand what a serving actually is. I can also eat about 1/2 of an entire chocolate cake at one time, lol, but noone would ever say that THAT was good for me. As said, moderation in ALL things, a lot of variety, not eating the same food over and over, from day to day, as this sets the person up (who is susceptible to it) for more food allergies. I still think that some of this is food allergy, not necessarily goitrogen reaction. Five a day is the recommendation, and some sources say that 9 may be, but I'm

not so sure about that, it's too much for me. Re: problems with intestinal movementHi Deana,All the things you've listed below are goitrogens. And it's not just Hashi'speople that should be careful with them - they can effect anybody. But thereare certain things to bear in mind with goitrogens :1) Everybody's different - what affects one person doesn't necessarilyaffect another. You have to find what YOU can tolerate and what you can't.The best way of doing this is to eliminate them all from your diet and thenreintroduce them one at a time, and see how you feel

after eating them.2) Someone said in another post that the goitrogenic effect is eliminated ifthe vegetables are cooked. This is not necessarily true. Again, it dependson the individual, and how sensitive he/she is to the goitrogen in question.However, millet (if anybody apart from canaries eats that) becomes a morepowerful goitrogen when cooked.3) The same someone said that you have to eat an awful lot before they haveany effect. This is true for euthyroid people, but not for people on thyroidhormone replacement. If you are very sensitive to it, just a tiny scrape canmake you ill.4) Soy is the worse goitrogen, because it can effect you in several ways(can't remember all the details at the moment, sorry, brain fog ! lol). Andwaiting until four hours after taking your hormones is no garantee that itwon't affect you. But, that said, some hypos aren't affected by it at all.Up to you to find out what it does

to you.5) It's not just vegetables that are goitrogenic, there are also some fruits:strawberriespearspeaches and nectarinesand some nuts :almondswalnuts6) And there are some other vegetables that you didn't mention (might beimportant for someone else) :AsparagusBamboo shootsBok choyCassavaChick peasFlaxseedGarlicHorseradishKohlrabiLegumes (beans and peas)LinseedMaizeOnionRadishesRutabagaSpinachSorghumSwedeSweet potatoesSwiss chardTurnip greensWhite turnipWasabiWatercressSo, that's about a complete list of possible goitrogens, I think. And thegood news is, you might not have to give up peanut butter after all ! I canstill eat it. I just can't eat strawberries, pears, walnuts, or any form ofsoy.Good luck,Lili>Broccoli>Cauliflower>Brussel

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Sometimes it's a mixture of foods too. Foods that you can eat may set off stuff when you eat a goitrigen. Spiff wrote: According to this list (and I've seen this list before), I could only go without approximately half of these vegetables for a few months, before I would again have a folic acid anemia. Then my heart would be in dire danger, for my future, plus I would feel even more horrible than I do now (not saying that I've not had a goitrogenic reaction to

some of these foods, I frankly don't know whether I have or not, as it's all a mystery sometimes, or a lot of the time). I've had a folic acid anemia, and I'm not going there again, no way, goitrogen or not. I think that, in some cases, some people are eating huge quantities of these things, while already hypothyroid and on thyroid meds. One serving of most veggies is about 1/2 cup. It seems that a lot of people don't understand what a serving actually is. I can also eat about 1/2 of an entire chocolate cake at one time, lol, but noone would ever say that THAT was good for me. As said, moderation in ALL things, a lot of variety, not eating the same food over and over, from day to day, as this sets the person up (who is susceptible to it) for more food allergies. I still think that some of this is food allergy, not necessarily goitrogen reaction. Five a day is the recommendation, and some sources say that 9 may be, but I'm

not so sure about that, it's too much for me. Re: problems with intestinal movementHi Deana,All the things you've listed below are goitrogens. And it's not just Hashi'speople that should be careful with them - they can effect anybody. But thereare certain things to bear in mind with goitrogens :1) Everybody's different - what affects one person doesn't necessarilyaffect another. You have to find what YOU can tolerate and what you can't.The best way of doing this is to eliminate them all from your diet and thenreintroduce them one at a time, and see how you feel

after eating them.2) Someone said in another post that the goitrogenic effect is eliminated ifthe vegetables are cooked. This is not necessarily true. Again, it dependson the individual, and how sensitive he/she is to the goitrogen in question.However, millet (if anybody apart from canaries eats that) becomes a morepowerful goitrogen when cooked.3) The same someone said that you have to eat an awful lot before they haveany effect. This is true for euthyroid people, but not for people on thyroidhormone replacement. If you are very sensitive to it, just a tiny scrape canmake you ill.4) Soy is the worse goitrogen, because it can effect you in several ways(can't remember all the details at the moment, sorry, brain fog ! lol). Andwaiting until four hours after taking your hormones is no garantee that itwon't affect you. But, that said, some hypos aren't affected by it at all.Up to you to find out what it does

to you.5) It's not just vegetables that are goitrogenic, there are also some fruits:strawberriespearspeaches and nectarinesand some nuts :almondswalnuts6) And there are some other vegetables that you didn't mention (might beimportant for someone else) :AsparagusBamboo shootsBok choyCassavaChick peasFlaxseedGarlicHorseradishKohlrabiLegumes (beans and peas)LinseedMaizeOnionRadishesRutabagaSpinachSorghumSwedeSweet potatoesSwiss chardTurnip greensWhite turnipWasabiWatercressSo, that's about a complete list of possible goitrogens, I think. And thegood news is, you might not have to give up peanut butter after all ! I canstill eat it. I just can't eat strawberries, pears, walnuts, or any form ofsoy.Good luck,Lili>Broccoli>Cauliflower>Brussel

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