Re: problems with intestinal movement

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Try taking digestive enzymes and probiotics to get your digestive system working properly. Go to a health food store and get a quality brand. Also, Vitamin C will get your bowels moving and is very good to take daily.

Tammy

Does anyone else have problems with food just not moving in your intestines with Hashimoto's or Hypo -- I have to take laxatives daily in order to get anything moving. It is very painful to eat. I have gone 2 days without having nothing but water because I just couldnt produce a movement - even with suppositories. I eat very healthy. I don't know what the issue is. My stomach is swollen like I am pregnant but the rest of my body is well proportioned.Please helpDeana

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I'm on the other end of the spectrum. If I have hashbrowns for breakfast, I'm in the small room about 15 min. later. It seems I've had a problem with that kind of thing for years. I can be bound up and loose even in the same trip, makes no sense and am tired of figuring it out....lol SpiffDeana Brown wrote: Does anyone else have problems with food just not moving in your intestines with Hashimoto's or Hypo -- I have to take laxatives daily in order to get anything moving.

It is very painful to eat. I have gone 2 days without having nothing but water because I just couldnt produce a movement - even with suppositories. I eat very healthy. I don't know what the issue is. My stomach is swollen like I am pregnant but the rest of my body is well proportioned.Please helpDeana

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Thank you to all who replied to my question. All of your posts have

really given me some things to try. I will give a try this week and

see if it gets better - since i did have a colonoscopy only less then a

year ago and they found nothing wrong and nothing wrong within my

stomach either.

Thanks again, especially Judy. Your post hit it on the head for me.

I was starting to wonder if our bodies can begin to work on there own

after laxative use for a long period of time. I pray that none of this

has to do with my Anorexia/Bulimia disorder that I had from the age of

14 to 29 thats 15 years of stuffing and purging or NOT EATING at all

daily. It is a wonder I am even standing. I have learned the hard way

and it has been a dificult recovery. I am still leary of adding any

greens as someone said that Hashimoto people can not eat

Broccoli

Cauliflower

Brussel Sprouts

Cabbage

Mustard

Kale

Turnips

Rape seed (Canola Oil)

Soy

Pine nuts

Millet

Peanuts

Unfortunatley, Broccoli, Cauliflower, Brussels, Cabbage, Canola Oil,

Pine Nuts, Millet breads and pastas, and Peanuts where ALL part of my

WEEKLY grocery list. I am trying to learn new things to buy -

I have made a good transition to salads for greens as well as spinach,

but I am having trouble giving up peanut butter, canola oil (because

olive and grape oil and coconut oil or soooooo expensive) they cost

more then a roast. And I found a not too expensive bread that isnt made

with millet - also cut out iodized salt and only use sea salt now. But

I still fill like crap, go figure. I may have to just eat Fruits and

vegetables the rest of my life and not eat any pasta (

Deana

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Deana,

In small amounts or in moderation you can have those foods- - that’s what my endo has told me and what I have researched.

Just don’t eat in large quantities.

Sue

Thank you to all who replied to my question. All of your posts have

really given me some things to try. I will give a try this week and

see if it gets better - since i did have a colonoscopy only less then a

year ago and they found nothing wrong and nothing wrong within my

stomach either.

Thanks again, especially Judy. Your post hit it on the head for me.

I was starting to wonder if our bodies can begin to work on there own

after laxative use for a long period of time. I pray that none of this

has to do with my Anorexia/Bulimia disorder that I had from the age of

14 to 29 thats 15 years of stuffing and purging or NOT EATING at all

daily. It is a wonder I am even standing. I have learned the hard way

and it has been a dificult recovery. I am still leary of adding any

greens as someone said that Hashimoto people can not eat

Broccoli

Cauliflower

Brussel Sprouts

Cabbage

Mustard

Kale

Turnips

Rape seed (Canola Oil)

Soy

Pine nuts

Millet

Peanuts

Unfortunatley, Broccoli, Cauliflower, Brussels, Cabbage, Canola Oil,

Pine Nuts, Millet breads and pastas, and Peanuts where ALL part of my

WEEKLY grocery list. I am trying to learn new things to buy -

I have made a good transition to salads for greens as well as spinach,

but I am having trouble giving up peanut butter, canola oil (because

olive and grape oil and coconut oil or soooooo expensive) they cost

more then a roast. And I found a not too expensive bread that isnt made

with millet - also cut out iodized salt and only use sea salt now. But

I still fill like crap, go figure. I may have to just eat Fruits and

vegetables the rest of my life and not eat any pasta (

Deana

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Research those veggies again Deana. They are on the goitrogen list, but most of them loose the harm once they are cooked. Even raw, I've read that you have to eat a ton of them to have any effect. I also make sure to leave 4 hours after medication before eating any of them (especially soy). I don't have hashi's though. Check it out for yourself... Judy

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I've found this ALways to be a problem, Deana, so, instead of taking

laxatives, I have been taking AIM Fiberblend for the last past 3 to 4 yrs or

so. It tastes awful, but has nothing in except the herbs. It looks like

sand to me, and I mix it in bottled water twice a day, at times, once a day,

at other times. Then, after around 2 to 3 months, I get off of it for a

week or so, then restart it to once or twice a week. It does have licorice

in it, and that's why I change the schedule pattern on it, from time to

time. It has a list of herbs in it as long as your arm almost, and I have

found that it produces good solic bowel movements, almost right away, lots

of bulk, NOT diahrea or bad stomach craps. It is ton of fiber, so your

bowel movements will look different than they usually do. It helps to

expand the colon circumference, gradually. Us hypos seem to be like this

for so long, that we seem to get skinny loops of intestines in there, and

this makes it more difficult for them to move, on top of the stasis problems

we have (lazy colon). No, I don't sell it, I just think it's a wonderful

product, so I've stuck with it. I order it off of the internet from one of

the whoesale suppliers. There are lots of suppliers in the country for the

AIM products. It only takes around 4 days for me to receive mine from the

particular supplier I order from. It has saved my intestinal life!

problems with intestinal movement

> Does anyone else have problems with food just not moving in your

> intestines with Hashimoto's or Hypo -- I have to take laxatives daily in

> order to get anything moving. It is very painful to eat. I have gone 2

> days without having nothing but water because I just couldnt produce a

> movement - even with suppositories. I eat very healthy. I don't know

> what the issue is. My stomach is swollen like I am pregnant but the

> rest of my body is well proportioned.

>

> Please help

> Deana

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Hi Deana,

All the things you've listed below are goitrogens. And it's not just Hashi's

people that should be careful with them - they can effect anybody. But there

are certain things to bear in mind with goitrogens :

1) Everybody's different - what affects one person doesn't necessarily

affect another. You have to find what YOU can tolerate and what you can't.

The best way of doing this is to eliminate them all from your diet and then

reintroduce them one at a time, and see how you feel after eating them.

2) Someone said in another post that the goitrogenic effect is eliminated if

the vegetables are cooked. This is not necessarily true. Again, it depends

on the individual, and how sensitive he/she is to the goitrogen in question.

However, millet (if anybody apart from canaries eats that) becomes a more

powerful goitrogen when cooked.

3) The same someone said that you have to eat an awful lot before they have

any effect. This is true for euthyroid people, but not for people on thyroid

hormone replacement. If you are very sensitive to it, just a tiny scrape can

make you ill.

4) Soy is the worse goitrogen, because it can effect you in several ways

(can't remember all the details at the moment, sorry, brain fog ! lol). And

waiting until four hours after taking your hormones is no garantee that it

won't affect you. But, that said, some hypos aren't affected by it at all.

Up to you to find out what it does to you.

5) It's not just vegetables that are goitrogenic, there are also some fruits

:

strawberries

pears

peaches and nectarines

and some nuts :

almonds

walnuts

6) And there are some other vegetables that you didn't mention (might be

important for someone else) :

Asparagus

Bamboo shoots

Bok choy

Cassava

Chick peas

Flaxseed

Garlic

Horseradish

Kohlrabi

Legumes (beans and peas)

Linseed

Maize

Onion

Radishes

Rutabaga

Spinach

Sorghum

Swede

Sweet potatoes

Swiss chard

Turnip greens

White turnip

Wasabi

Watercress

So, that's about a complete list of possible goitrogens, I think. And the

good news is, you might not have to give up peanut butter after all ! I can

still eat it. I just can't eat strawberries, pears, walnuts, or any form of

soy.

Good luck,

Lili

>Broccoli

>Cauliflower

>Brussel Sprouts

>Cabbage

>Mustard

>Kale

>Turnips

>Rape seed (Canola Oil)

>

>Soy

>Pine nuts

>Millet

>Peanuts

>

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Actually liilianwise it was Judy who said it was ok if they were cooked and ME who said it’s ok to eat SMALL amounts...

Sue

Hi Deana,

All the things you've listed below are goitrogens. And it's not just Hashi's

people that should be careful with them - they can effect anybody. But there

are certain things to bear in mind with goitrogens :

1) Everybody's different - what affects one person doesn't necessarily

affect another. You have to find what YOU can tolerate and what you can't.

The best way of doing this is to eliminate them all from your diet and then

reintroduce them one at a time, and see how you feel after eating them.

2) Someone said in another post that the goitrogenic effect is eliminated if

the vegetables are cooked. This is not necessarily true. Again, it depends

on the individual, and how sensitive he/she is to the goitrogen in question.

However, millet (if anybody apart from canaries eats that) becomes a more

powerful goitrogen when cooked.

3) The same someone said that you have to eat an awful lot before they have

any effect. This is true for euthyroid people, but not for people on thyroid

hormone replacement. If you are very sensitive to it, just a tiny scrape can

make you ill.

4) Soy is the worse goitrogen, because it can effect you in several ways

(can't remember all the details at the moment, sorry, brain fog ! lol). And

waiting until four hours after taking your hormones is no garantee that it

won't affect you. But, that said, some hypos aren't affected by it at all.

Up to you to find out what it does to you.

5) It's not just vegetables that are goitrogenic, there are also some fruits

:

strawberries

pears

peaches and nectarines

and some nuts :

almonds

walnuts

6) And there are some other vegetables that you didn't mention (might be

important for someone else) :

Asparagus

Bamboo shoots

Bok choy

Cassava

Chick peas

Flaxseed

Garlic

Horseradish

Kohlrabi

Legumes (beans and peas)

Linseed

Maize

Onion

Radishes

Rutabaga

Spinach

Sorghum

Swede

Sweet potatoes

Swiss chard

Turnip greens

White turnip

Wasabi

Watercress

So, that's about a complete list of possible goitrogens, I think. And the

good news is, you might not have to give up peanut butter after all ! I can

still eat it. I just can't eat strawberries, pears, walnuts, or any form of

soy.

Good luck,

Lili

>Broccoli

>Cauliflower

>Brussel Sprouts

>Cabbage

>Mustard

>Kale

>Turnips

>Rape seed (Canola Oil)

>

>Soy

>Pine nuts

>Millet

>Peanuts

>

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Hmmm, has anyone had any good or bad experiences with Colon Cleansing, Detox, or any Body Purification Centers? I think a visit every so often would be easier for those that have busy schedules and for those that have 'not so great' eating habits, such as myself. I don't know how true this is but someone said that at one time, they had 10-15 lbs of fecal matter in their system. liliane wise wrote: Hi Deana,All the things you've listed below are goitrogens. And it's not

just Hashi's people that should be careful with them - they can effect anybody. But there are certain things to bear in mind with goitrogens :1) Everybody's different - what affects one person doesn't necessarily affect another. You have to find what YOU can tolerate and what you can't. The best way of doing this is to eliminate them all from your diet and then reintroduce them one at a time, and see how you feel after eating them.2) Someone said in another post that the goitrogenic effect is eliminated if the vegetables are cooked. This is not necessarily true. Again, it depends on the individual, and how sensitive he/she is to the goitrogen in question. However, millet (if anybody apart from canaries eats that) becomes a more powerful goitrogen when cooked.3) The same someone said that you have to eat an awful lot before they have any effect. This is true for euthyroid people, but not for people on thyroid

hormone replacement. If you are very sensitive to it, just a tiny scrape can make you ill.4) Soy is the worse goitrogen, because it can effect you in several ways (can't remember all the details at the moment, sorry, brain fog ! lol). And waiting until four hours after taking your hormones is no garantee that it won't affect you. But, that said, some hypos aren't affected by it at all. Up to you to find out what it does to you.5) It's not just vegetables that are goitrogenic, there are also some fruits :strawberriespearspeaches and nectarinesand some nuts :almondswalnuts6) And there are some other vegetables that you didn't mention (might be important for someone else) :AsparagusBamboo shootsBok choyCassavaChick peasFlaxseedGarlicHorseradishKohlrabiLegumes (beans and

peas)LinseedMaizeOnionRadishesRutabagaSpinachSorghumSwedeSweet potatoesSwiss chardTurnip greensWhite turnipWasabiWatercressSo, that's about a complete list of possible goitrogens, I think. And the good news is, you might not have to give up peanut butter after all ! I can still eat it. I just can't eat strawberries, pears, walnuts, or any form of soy.Good luck,Lili>Broccoli>Cauliflower>Brussel Sprouts>Cabbage>Mustard>Kale>Turnips>Rape seed (Canola Oil)>>Soy>Pine nuts>Millet>Peanuts>__________________________________________________________Découvrez un moyen pour éliminez tous les virus de votre PC ! http://safety.live.com/site/fr-FR

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I think I said both Sue, but that's ok, I also said that it was what I found in my research and that she should just dig some more. No worries. I can't imagine cutting out all of the foods on the second list. There are a lot of great nutrients there and I'm sure I'd be sicker without them. Living in the Great Lakes Region is goitrogenic, but I can't see all those folks moving any time soon. I had 30grams of soy protein every day for about 6 years before I knew that it was an issue. I've since switch to rice protein, but my labs and my symptoms haven't changed all that much, if anything, I'm worse now. A steak is just not a steak without the brussel sprouts and I cook them into oblivion until they taste like candy - yummmm. Is it Saturday yet? LOL... Judy

Actually liilianwise it was Judy who said it was ok if they were cooked and ME who said it’s ok to eat SMALL amounts...

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Joooo-deeee, Joooooo-deeeee, Juuuuuuu-dy! LOL

Who’s on first is what I wanna know!

And --- I am glad it’s not Saturday as I had a monster of a weekend — my husband ended up in the hospital for gallbladder surgery and I stepped on a rusty nail and ended up in the Emergency room myself...oy —I am so glad it’s NOT the weekend - too dangerous — I am safer here an my computer, albeit a bit under-educated in all this “schtuff.”

Silly Sue

I think I said both Sue, but that's ok, I also said that it was what I found in my research and that she should just dig some more. No worries. I can't imagine cutting out all of the foods on the second list. There are a lot of great nutrients there and I'm sure I'd be sicker without them. Living in the Great Lakes Region is goitrogenic, but I can't see all those folks moving any time soon. I had 30grams of soy protein every day for about 6 years before I knew that it was an issue. I've since switch to rice protein, but my labs and my symptoms haven't changed all that much, if anything, I'm worse now. A steak is just not a steak without the brussel sprouts and I cook them into oblivion until they taste like candy - yummmm. Is it Saturday yet? LOL... Judy

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Be careful. I read that, saw the pictures, done that, and been there.

The truth is most cleanses do not get rid of 10-20 lbs fecal mater and

God did wire our bodies to move all that junk out. They make money off

the newest fad, and people wanting a cleanse, well if thats what

everyone else is doing it

- well that fits in to the fad. I say yes it is good to cleanse your

body, but personally with what I have been through and friends I haver

talked to - juice cleanses are much more healthier and less strainful on

the body then the Herb type cleanses. Be careful, they can cause

horrible problems with dehydration, or mess with thyroid medications.

This is just my issues with them. I thought they would really help me

since I have digestive problems. but the opposite happened.

I tried quite a few different brands too.

Deana

G W wrote:

> Hmmm, has anyone had any good or bad experiences with Colon Cleansing,

> Detox, or any Body Purification Centers? I think a visit every so

> often would be easier for those that have busy schedules and for those

> that have 'not so great' eating habits, such as myself. I don't know

> how true this is but someone said that at one time, they had 10-15 lbs

> of fecal matter in their system.

>

> */liliane wise /* wrote:

>

> Hi Deana,

>

> All the things you've listed below are goitrogens. And it's not

> just Hashi's

> people that should be careful with them - they can effect anybody.

> But there

> are certain things to bear in mind with goitrogens :

>

> 1) Everybody's different - what affects one person doesn't

> necessarily

> affect another. You have to find what YOU can tolerate and what

> you can't.

> The best way of doing this is to eliminate them all from your diet

> and then

> reintroduce them one at a time, and see how you feel after eating

> them.

>

> 2) Someone said in another post that the goitrogenic effect is

> eliminated if

> the vegetables are cooked. This is not necessarily true. Again, it

> depends

> on the individual, and how sensitive he/she is to the goitrogen in

> question.

> However, millet (if anybody apart from canaries eats that) becomes

> a more

> powerful goitrogen when cooked.

>

> 3) The same someone said that you have to eat an awful lot before

> they have

> any effect. This is true for euthyroid people, but not for people

> on thyroid

> hormone replacement. If you are very sensitive to it, just a tiny

> scrape can

> make you ill.

>

> 4) Soy is the worse goitrogen, because it can effect you in

> several ways

> (can't remember all the details at the moment, sorry, brain fog !

> lol). And

> waiting until four hours after taking your hormones is no garantee

> that it

> won't affect you. But, that said, some hypos aren't affected by it

> at all.

> Up to you to find out what it does to you.

>

> 5) It's not just vegetables that are goitrogenic, there are also

> some fruits

> :

>

> strawberries

> pears

> peaches and nectarines

>

> and some nuts :

>

> almonds

> walnuts

>

> 6) And there are some other vegetables that you didn't mention

> (might be

> important for someone else) :

>

> Asparagus

> Bamboo shoots

> Bok choy

> Cassava

> Chick peas

> Flaxseed

> Garlic

> Horseradish

> Kohlrabi

> Legumes (beans and peas)

> Linseed

> Maize

> Onion

> Radishes

> Rutabaga

> Spinach

> Sorghum

> Swede

> Sweet potatoes

> Swiss chard

> Turnip greens

> White turnip

> Wasabi

> Watercress

>

> So, that's about a complete list of possible goitrogens, I think.

> And the

> good news is, you might not have to give up peanut butter after

> all ! I can

> still eat it. I just can't eat strawberries, pears, walnuts, or

> any form of

> soy.

>

> Good luck,

>

> Lili

>

> >Broccoli

> >Cauliflower

> >Brussel Sprouts

> >Cabbage

> >Mustard

> >Kale

> >Turnips

> >Rape seed (Canola Oil)

> >

> >Soy

> >Pine nuts

> >Millet

> >Peanuts

> >

>

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Tell me how to make those yummy brussel sprouts my husband would love them.

Deana

JustYourTypeDTP wrote:

> *Joooo-deeee*, /Joooooo-deeeee/, Juuuuuuu-dy! LOL

>

> /Who’s on first is what I wanna know!

>

> /And --- I am glad it’s not Saturday as I had a monster of a weekend —

> my husband ended up in the hospital for gallbladder surgery and I

> stepped on a rusty nail and ended up in the Emergency room myself...oy

> —I am *so glad* it’s NOT the weekend - too dangerous — I am safer here

> an my computer, albeit a bit under-educated in all this “schtuff.”

> /

>

> /Silly Sue

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> *I think I said both Sue, but that's ok, I also said that it was

> what I found in my research and that she should just dig some

> more. No worries. I can't imagine cutting out all of the foods on

> the second list. There are a lot of great nutrients there and I'm

> sure I'd be sicker without them. Living in the Great Lakes Region

> is goitrogenic, but I can't see all those folks moving any time

> soon. I had 30grams of soy protein every day for about 6 years

> before I knew that it was an issue. I've since switch to rice

> protein, but my labs and my symptoms haven't changed all that

> much, if anything, I'm worse now. A steak is just not a steak

> without the brussel sprouts and I cook them into oblivion until

> they taste like candy - yummmm. Is it Saturday yet? LOL... Judy

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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>

>

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Ewwwwwwwwwww scarry. Thanks for the info. I guess I'm looking for a 'quick fix.' It's all just very frustrating. I don't want to go through any long processes, enemas freak me out, BARF! BARF! I don't want to give up meat! I don't like that raw foods stuff, well some of it is ok. And now, the doc wants to put me on medication and I don't have all of the symptoms. It's hereditary for me. I'm really at a turning point in my life and I don't know if I should trust the doctors and preventative measures or if I should just do the hollistic thing. One side of me feels like the doctors are just making money off of our addiction to medicine. I guess I'm just at the mercy of the 'big man upstairs.' What do you think about Cleansing Centers? I understand that you are pro-juice and stuff. I heard we can go somewhere and actually have professionals remove all of this backed up crap. I'm thinking if I get it done one time by a professional and thoroughly, then I can

change my diet and handle it from there. What do u think?Deana Brown wrote: Be careful. I read that, saw the pictures, done that, and been there. The truth is most cleanses do not get rid of 10-20 lbs fecal mater and God did wire our bodies to move all that junk out. They make money off the newest fad, and people wanting a cleanse, well if thats what everyone else is doing it- well that fits in to the fad. I say yes it is good to cleanse your body, but personally with what

I have been through and friends I haver talked to - juice cleanses are much more healthier and less strainful on the body then the Herb type cleanses. Be careful, they can cause horrible problems with dehydration, or mess with thyroid medications.This is just my issues with them. I thought they would really help me since I have digestive problems. but the opposite happened.I tried quite a few different brands too.DeanaG W wrote:> Hmmm, has anyone had any good or bad experiences with Colon Cleansing, > Detox, or any Body Purification Centers? I think a visit every so > often would be easier for those that have busy schedules and for those > that have 'not so great' eating habits, such as myself. I don't know > how true this is but someone said that at one time, they had 10-15 lbs > of fecal matter in their system.>> */liliane wise <lililiz (AT) hotmail (DOT) fr>/* wrote:>> Hi Deana,>> All the things you've listed below are goitrogens. And it's not> just Hashi's> people that should be careful with them - they can effect anybody.> But there> are certain things to bear in mind with goitrogens :>> 1) Everybody's different - what affects one person doesn't> necessarily> affect another. You have to find what YOU can tolerate and what> you can't.> The best way of doing this is to eliminate them all from your diet> and then> reintroduce them one at a time, and see how you feel after eating> them.>> 2) Someone said in another post that the goitrogenic effect is> eliminated if> the vegetables are cooked. This is not necessarily true. Again, it> depends> on the individual, and how sensitive he/she is to the goitrogen

in> question.> However, millet (if anybody apart from canaries eats that) becomes> a more> powerful goitrogen when cooked.>> 3) The same someone said that you have to eat an awful lot before> they have> any effect. This is true for euthyroid people, but not for people> on thyroid> hormone replacement. If you are very sensitive to it, just a tiny> scrape can> make you ill.>> 4) Soy is the worse goitrogen, because it can effect you in> several ways> (can't remember all the details at the moment, sorry, brain fog !> lol). And> waiting until four hours after taking your hormones is no garantee> that it> won't affect you. But, that said, some hypos aren't affected by it> at all.> Up to you to find out what it does to you.>> 5) It's not just vegetables that are goitrogenic, there are also> some

fruits> :>> strawberries> pears> peaches and nectarines>> and some nuts :>> almonds> walnuts>> 6) And there are some other vegetables that you didn't mention> (might be> important for someone else) :>> Asparagus> Bamboo shoots> Bok choy> Cassava> Chick peas> Flaxseed> Garlic> Horseradish> Kohlrabi> Legumes (beans and peas)> Linseed> Maize> Onion> Radishes> Rutabaga> Spinach> Sorghum> Swede> Sweet potatoes> Swiss chard> Turnip greens> White turnip> Wasabi> Watercress>> So, that's about a complete list of possible goitrogens, I think.> And the> good news is, you might not have to give up peanut butter after> all ! I can> still eat it. I just can't eat strawberries,

pears, walnuts, or> any form of> soy.>> Good luck,>> Lili>> >Broccoli> >Cauliflower> >Brussel Sprouts> >Cabbage> >Mustard> >Kale> >Turnips> >Rape seed (Canola Oil)> >> >Soy> >Pine nuts> >Millet> >Peanuts> >>> __________________________________________________________> Découvrez un moyen pour éliminez tous les virus de votre PC !> http://safety.live.com/site/fr-FR <http://safety.live.com/site/fr-FR>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------> Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=41244/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index>>>>

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If you have the money to get the help professional that is much more

safe. Don't get me wrong, I believe and use many many herbal remedies

but the cleanses are one of thew few I would stay away from just because

of the dehydration factor and the big horrible feelings they can put on

your body.

what medication are they trying to put you on, I got off all meds

accept my armour and muscles relaxant for my fibro, the rest I treat

herbal as needed. For example right now I am taking Astragalus and

Eleutherococcus senticosus for immune support and adrenal support. I

also take a herbal supplement called stress eeze as needed. Other

herbals I use are essential oils, I always used clove oil on my sons

gums as he was teething, and lavendar for massages when he was colicy,

but there are many others that have wonderful uses, Amino acids (not

really a herb but a nice supplement), sam-e is also a nice supplement -

I have used cranberry, and a few others but dont use on a daily or

monthly basis.

Good Luck

Deana

G W wrote:

> Ewwwwwwwwwww scarry. Thanks for the info. I guess I'm looking for a

> 'quick fix.' It's all just very frustrating. I don't want to go

> through any long processes, enemas freak me out, BARF! BARF! I don't

> want to give up meat! I don't like that raw foods stuff, well some of

> it is ok. And now, the doc wants to put me on medication and I don't

> have all of the symptoms. It's hereditary for me. I'm really at a

> turning point in my life and I don't know if I should trust the

> doctors and preventative measures or if I should just do the hollistic

> thing. One side of me feels like the doctors are just making money off

> of our addiction to medicine. I guess I'm just at the mercy of the

> 'big man upstairs.' What do you think about Cleansing Centers? I

> understand that you are pro-juice and stuff. I heard we can go

> somewhere and actually have professionals remove all of this backed

> up crap. I'm thinking if I get it done one time by a professional and

> thoroughl! y, then I can change my diet and handle it from there. What

> do u think?

>

> */Deana Brown /* wrote:

>

> Be careful. I read that, saw the pictures, done that, and been there.

> The truth is most cleanses do not get rid of 10-20 lbs fecal mater

> and

> God did wire our bodies to move all that junk out. They make money

> off

> the newest fad, and people wanting a cleanse, well if thats what

> everyone else is doing it

> - well that fits in to the fad. I say yes it is good to cleanse your

> body, but personally with what I have been through and friends I

> haver

> talked to - juice cleanses are much more healthier and less

> strainful on

> the body then the Herb type cleanses. Be careful, they can cause

> horrible problems with dehydration, or mess with thyroid medications.

>

> This is just my issues with them. I thought they would really help me

> since I have digestive problems. but the opposite happened.

> I tried quite a few different brands too.

>

> Deana

>

> G W wrote:

>

> > Hmmm, has anyone had any good or bad experiences with Colon

> Cleansing,

> > Detox, or any Body Purification Centers? I think a visit every so

> > often would be easier for those that have busy schedules and for

> those

> > that have 'not so great' eating habits, such as myself. I don't

> know

> > how true this is but someone said that at one time, they had

> 10-15 lbs

> > of fecal matter in their system.

> >

> > */liliane wise <! lililiz@...

> <mailto:lililiz%40hotmail.fr>>/* wrote:

> >

> > Hi Deana,

> >

> > All the things you've listed below are goitrogens. And it's not

> > just Hashi's

> > people that should be careful with them - they can effect anybody.

> > But there

> > are certain things to bear in mind with goitrogens :

> >

> > 1) Everybody's different - what affects one person doesn't

> > necessarily

> > affect another. You have to find what YOU can tolerate and what

> > you can't.

> > The best way of doing this is to eliminate them all from your diet

> > and then

> > reintroduce them one at a time, and see how you feel after eating

> > them.

> >

> > 2) Someone said in another post that the goitrogenic effect is

> > eliminated if

> > the vegetables are cooked. This is not necessarily true. Again, it

> > depends

> > on the individual, and how sensitive he/she is to the goitrogen in

> > question.

> > However, millet (if anybody apart from canaries eats that) becomes

> > a more

> > powerful goitrogen when cooked.

> >

> > 3) The same someone said that you have to eat an awful lot before

> > they have

> > any effect. This is true for euthyroid people, but not for people

> > on thyroid

> > hormone replacement. If you are very sensitive to it, just a tiny

> > scrape can

> > make you ill.

> >

> > 4) Soy is the worse goitrogen, because it can effect you in

> > several ways

> > (can't remember all the details at the moment, sorry, brain fog !

> > lol). And

> > waiting until four hours after taking your hormones is no garantee

> > that it

> > won't affect you. But, that said, some hypos aren't affected by it

> > at all.

> > Up to you to find out what it does to you.

> >

> > 5) It's not just vegetables that are goitrogenic, there are also

> > some fruits

> > :

> >

> > strawberries

> > pears

> > peaches and nectarines

> >

> > and some nuts :

> >

> > almonds

> > walnuts

> >

> > 6) And there are some other vegetables that you didn't mention

> > (might be

> > important for someone else) :

> >

> > Asparagus

> > Bamboo shoots

> > Bok choy

> > Cassava

> > Chick peas

> > Flaxseed

> > Garlic

> > Horseradish

> > Kohlrabi

> > Legumes (beans and peas)

> > Linseed

> > Maize

> > Onion

> > Radishes

> > Rutabaga

> > Spinach

> > Sorghum

> > Swede

> > Sweet potatoes

> > Swiss chard

> > Turnip greens

> > White turnip

> > Wasabi

> > Watercress

> >

> > So, that's about a complete list of possible goitrogens, I think.

> > And the

> > good news is, you might not have to give up peanut butter after

> > all ! I can

> > still eat it. I just can't eat strawberries, pears, walnuts, or

> > any form of

> > soy.

> >

> > Good luck,

> >

> > Lili

> >

> > >Broccoli

> > >Cauliflower

> > >Brussel Sprouts

> > >Cabbage

> > >Mustard

> > >Kale

> > >Turnips

> > >Rape seed (Canola Oil)

> > >

> > >Soy

> > >Pine nuts

> > >Millet

> > >Peanuts

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

well i guess some good things come from all this, I weighed myself

today and I have lost 6 lbs since I was uped to 2grains of armour 4

weeks ago.

so maybe the only being able to eat a little at a time is a good thing.

Deana

[Guest guest]

Great news! And very COOL!

Did you diet and what do you mean only able to eat a little at a time... I don’t keep track, sorry..!

Thanks

sue

well i guess some good things come from all this, I weighed myself

today and I have lost 6 lbs since I was uped to 2grains of armour 4

weeks ago.

so maybe the only being able to eat a little at a time is a good thing.

Deana

[Guest guest]

No, I did not diet. I dont believe in diets. The problem though is I can

only eat about 6 tablespoons of food before I am extremely full and it

takes about 9-10 hours for my stomach to empty. So I am lucky to get two

meals in a day of 6 tablespoons each. I also drink alot of water and juice.

Deana

JustYourTypeDTP wrote:

> Great news! And very COOL!

> Did you diet and what do you mean only able to eat a little at a

> time... I don’t keep track, sorry..!

> Thanks

> sue

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> well i guess some good things come from all this, I weighed myself

> today and I have lost 6 lbs since I was uped to 2grains of armour 4

> weeks ago.

>

> so maybe the only being able to eat a little at a time is a good

> thing.

>

> Deana

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's no secret really, but I find they're very bitter if you don't cook them enough. I just boil them until they're very soft and then they just melt in your mouth!

Tell me how to make those yummy brussel sprouts my husband would love them.

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[Guest guest]

Did you have that stomach bypass surgery and that's why you can only eat so

little?

> No, I did not diet. I dont believe in diets. The problem though is I can

> only eat about 6 tablespoons of food before I am extremely full and it

> takes about 9-10 hours for my stomach to empty. So I am lucky to get two

> meals in a day of 6 tablespoons each. I also drink alot of water and juice.

>

> Deana

>

>

> JustYourTypeDTP wrote:

>

>> Great news! And very COOL!

>> Did you diet and what do you mean only able to eat a little at a

>> time... I don¹t keep track, sorry..!

>> Thanks

>> sue

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Nope, for some reason that is just how my stomach is. I have always

been that way even when I was pregnant.

Deana

JustYourTypeDTP wrote:

> Did you have that stomach bypass surgery and that's why you can only

> eat so

> little?

>

> On 9/27/06 1:57 PM, " Deana Brown " <squeekyme@...

> <mailto:squeekyme%40charter.net>> wrote:

>

> > No, I did not diet. I dont believe in diets. The problem though is I can

> > only eat about 6 tablespoons of food before I am extremely full and it

> > takes about 9-10 hours for my stomach to empty. So I am lucky to get two

> > meals in a day of 6 tablespoons each. I also drink alot of water and

> juice.

> >

> > Deana

> >

> >

> > JustYourTypeDTP wrote:

> >

> >> Great news! And very COOL!

> >> Did you diet and what do you mean only able to eat a little at a

> >> time... I don¹t keep track, sorry..!

> >> Thanks

> >> sue

> >>

> >>

> >> On 9/27/06 12:31 PM, " Deana Brown " <squeekyme@...

> <mailto:squeekyme%40charter.net>> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nope, for some reason that is just how my stomach is. I have always

been that way even when I was pregnant.

Deana

JustYourTypeDTP wrote:

> Did you have that stomach bypass surgery and that's why you can only

> eat so

> little?

>

> On 9/27/06 1:57 PM, " Deana Brown " <squeekyme@...

> <mailto:squeekyme%40charter.net>> wrote:

>

> > No, I did not diet. I dont believe in diets. The problem though is I can

> > only eat about 6 tablespoons of food before I am extremely full and it

> > takes about 9-10 hours for my stomach to empty. So I am lucky to get two

> > meals in a day of 6 tablespoons each. I also drink alot of water and

> juice.

> >

> > Deana

> >

> >

> > JustYourTypeDTP wrote:

> >

> >> Great news! And very COOL!

> >> Did you diet and what do you mean only able to eat a little at a

> >> time... I don¹t keep track, sorry..!

> >> Thanks

> >> sue

> >>

> >>

> >> On 9/27/06 12:31 PM, " Deana Brown " <squeekyme@...

> <mailto:squeekyme%40charter.net>> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nope, for some reason that is just how my stomach is. I have always

been that way even when I was pregnant.

Deana

JustYourTypeDTP wrote:

> Did you have that stomach bypass surgery and that's why you can only

> eat so

> little?

>

> On 9/27/06 1:57 PM, " Deana Brown " <squeekyme@...

> <mailto:squeekyme%40charter.net>> wrote:

>

> > No, I did not diet. I dont believe in diets. The problem though is I can

> > only eat about 6 tablespoons of food before I am extremely full and it

> > takes about 9-10 hours for my stomach to empty. So I am lucky to get two

> > meals in a day of 6 tablespoons each. I also drink alot of water and

> juice.

> >

> > Deana

> >

> >

> > JustYourTypeDTP wrote:

> >

> >> Great news! And very COOL!

> >> Did you diet and what do you mean only able to eat a little at a

> >> time... I don¹t keep track, sorry..!

> >> Thanks

> >> sue

> >>

> >>

> >> On 9/27/06 12:31 PM, " Deana Brown " <squeekyme@...

> <mailto:squeekyme%40charter.net>> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok. I was going to give up on this one - again ! But then I thought no,

learning about goitrogens has made such a difference to my life, maybe by

explaining I can make a difference to someone else's life. Yes, there are a

lot of great nutrients in these foods, but nothing you can't get elsewhere.

And no, you wouldn't be sicker without them. And, no-one said you had to

give them all up. I explained that the thing to do was to find out which

ones affect you personnaly (like with food allergies - although I hasten to

add we are NOT talking about allergies here !)

And I think a lot of the problem people have with this subject is that they

just don't know what the effects are. Telling people not to eat goitrogens

is not like telling them not to smoke - ie you'll probably get get lung

cancer 20/30 years down the road. No, goitrogens have an almost immediate,

oh-my-god-kill-me-now-and-put-me-out-of-my-misery awful effect, just hours

after eating them.

Have you ever come over bad, in the middle of the afternoon say, feeling

like your going down with flu ? Shivering cold, achey, weepy, depressed,

trembling, headache, nausea, etc. Just wanting to curl up in bed, stick your

head under the covers and cry ! You think you've got flu but about

twenty-four hours later, the feeling has gone. You didn't have flu. You

probably ate a goitrogen.

To give you an example, in Egypt I ate a few mouthfuls of pear. It didn't

look like a pear, it didn't taste like a pear. It was only the next day that

I was told it was a pear. Within a few hours I was in bed, with two extra

blankets - despite the Egyptian heat - with the air conditioning turned off,

shivering and wishing I was dead ! It lasted twenty-four hours. And no,

before you ask, it wasn't food poisoning, and nobody else was ill. It was a

goitrogen. The same thing happens if I eat any soy or walnuts.

I don't suppose stopping eating soy would have any effect on your lab

results. But try eating some now, after all this time, and see what happens.

And if you're not feeling any better, it's probably because you're eating

other goitrogens - or your dose of hormone isn't high enough.

Ok. That's about it. If you don't believe me, or think I'm just

exaggerating, so be it. But maybe this explaination will help someone out

there. If so, then it was worth the effort.

I wish you well, Lili (NOT lilianewise !)

>

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>Subject: Re: problems with intestinal movement

>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:06:07 -0700 (PDT)

>

>I think I said both Sue, but that's ok, I also said that it was what I

>found in my research and that she should just dig some more. No worries.

>I can't imagine cutting out all of the foods on the second list. There are

>a lot of great nutrients there and I'm sure I'd be sicker without them.

>Living in the Great Lakes Region is goitrogenic, but I can't see all those

>folks moving any time soon. I had 30grams of soy protein every day for

>about 6 years before I knew that it was an issue. I've since switch to

>rice protein, but my labs and my symptoms haven't changed all that much, if

>anything, I'm worse now. A steak is just not a steak without the brussel

>sprouts and I cook them into oblivion until they taste like candy - yummmm.

> Is it Saturday yet? LOL... Judy

>

>---------------------------------

>

>Actually liilianwise it was Judy who said it was ok if they were cooked and

>ME who said it’s ok to eat SMALL amounts...

>

>

>

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