RE: Hearing Test

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Our audiologist's office has a program called Visual Scan (also known as

AudioScan). While they have had it for about two years, I know that they

are one of the few in our area who have it. You can do just as you

described: upload a person's audiogram and play it back for aided and

unaided hearing (this is not manufacturer specific; it's available for all

brands of aids). You can hear voices, common sounds, and environmental

sounds based on that audiogram. You can speak into a microphone and hear

how it sounds to that specific HOH person. You can overlay background noise

and hear how it affects comprehension. What makes it visual is that you can

also see the sounds on the audiogram on the screen, so it's easy to

visualize what they can hear and can not. This does not involve a lot of

hardware (essentially a lap top with the software and audiogram loaded up,

speakers, and a mike), so it's portable-- provided that the office allows

that (from what I remember our audiologist saying, it's rather pricey

software). I don't know if it has the capability of being saved and loaded

onto a CD or DVD.

Most Children's Hospitals and large audiology clinics (and some therapists

and their centers) probably have a CD with the hearing losses recorded on to

it. While the hearing loss is not child specific (just preprogrammed mild,

moderate, moderate-severe, severe, and profound losses), most of the CDs

start with reciting a sentence or two, then repeating it with the level of

loss layered over the recording. While it does not give the nuances of an

individual's hearing level (i.e., the slope of the loss), it helps to hammer

home to the general public how significant even the smallest level of loss

can be. Our Children's Hospital loans the CD out for family use. I watched

Carol Flexer a few years ago demonstrate it with a soundfield system to show

the benefits of such technology. So, while it's not up-to-the-minute

technology, there's some basic stuff out there to get the point across to

teachers, school officials, etc. I know it's available to buy somewhere,

yet I've never searched around for it.

Kerry

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In a message dated 12/30/2005 7:23:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

stromms@... writes:

Apparently, this is new technology that is to be used in counseling parents.

I would really like

to hook a couple of my sons teachers up to the simulator. Then they could

understand why

we ask for what we do. I don't know how wide spread this simulator is, the

audiologist

implied that it was new. I just wanted the group to know it exists-maybe

some audiologists

and school systems could be induced to buy or borrow it.

Sheez, there's an English teacher here I'd like to hook up to that machine

right now! What a great thing. I'll have to ask about it next time we see the

audis!

Thanks! -- Jill

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It was programmed to simulate my son's loss at each level. He hears

better at higher pitches, and less well in low pitches. I sat about

three feet from the audiologist and he randomly read some things from

my son's file I heard a few " aa " s some " ch " and " k " , for example. Even

though I am familiar with what he was reading, I didn't have a clue

what he was saying, except for parts of syllables. Then he switched the

earphones to simulate my son's hearing aided and I heard clearly, but

not completely when he walked around the room. I realized what I had

not before, that the hearing aids " created " the sound for him. That is

he only can hear as well as his hearing aid quality and its

programming. If the latter is off a bit, it's not creating appropriate

sound for him. I now understand how important it is to get the right

hearing aids for him-for example, he is a musician, he sings, play a

couple of instruments, arranges and composes music. He needs three

programs on his aids. He needs the programming updated often because he

has a fluctuating loss. Anything else doesn't serve his needs. That

being said, with the right aids, he hears amazingly well-speech, that

is, music is another story.

Re: Hearing Test

I have never heard of this! That is amazing! how does

this work? Does it simulate the loss of a person with

a loss to better understand ? Wow! I am really new at

this!

--- Listen-Up

wrote:

> I am pretty sure that is the one my audi has since

we have Oticon

> Synchros and she is happy with that company right

now. They had

> representatives from the company come spend several

days at her office

> this past year.

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> On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 11:25 -0800, Ann Marie

on wrote:

> > Does anyone know the name of this hearing loss

simulator? I heard one at a conference recently and

it was by Oticon. It was called Ecaps software. It was

great! I know everyone at the conference wanted to get

their hands on it. Still not sure how to get it. Is

there another one that you know of?

> > Ann Marie

> >

> > Deb DiAnni wrote:

> > I was able to " listen " to that a few years ago

at a parents conference. I found it facinating and

asked our audi at the time about it. She had heard of

it, but had no idea how to get it. I think it's great

that it is starting to be used by audi's.

> >

> > I agree with you, I would love to have the

people who work with my daughter be able to listen to

this as well. There is a website that has some

examples of what hearing loss sounds like, but it's

very general. Whereas this program they input the

child's audiogram so you get a more accurate idea.

> >

> > Debbie, mom to , 6, moderate SNHL and

, 3, hearing

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Others dream things that never were and ask why not.

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stromms@... wrote: <<That

being said, with the right aids, he hears amazingly well-speech, that

is, music is another story.>>

,

Perhaps you know this already, but different aids " hear " music differently.

I'm not sure I'll get the explanation correct, but our audi explained it to me

months ago. The digital aids take sound and decide what's " noise " and what's

important to amplify. They throw " noise " out and keep only the important stuff

(speech). One type of processor for the digitals discriminates music as noise

while another does not. As I said, I can't explain it, but perhaps your audi can

help you find an aid that would more meet your son's needs.

Thanks for the information about this simulation. Your explanation was very

detailed.

Johanna

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Thanks, Joanna, I'll look into this.

Re: Hearing Test

stromms@... wrote: <<That

being said, with the right aids, he hears amazingly well-speech, that

is, music is another story.>>

,

Perhaps you know this already, but different aids " hear " music

differently.

I'm not sure I'll get the explanation correct, but our audi explained

it to me

months ago. The digital aids take sound and decide what's " noise " and

what's

important to amplify. They throw " noise " out and keep only the

important stuff

(speech). One type of processor for the digitals discriminates music as

noise

while another does not. As I said, I can't explain it, but perhaps your

audi can

help you find an aid that would more meet your son's needs.

Thanks for the information about this simulation. Your explanation

was very

detailed.

Johanna

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Joanna, I'll look into this.

Re: Hearing Test

stromms@... wrote: <<That

being said, with the right aids, he hears amazingly well-speech, that

is, music is another story.>>

,

Perhaps you know this already, but different aids " hear " music

differently.

I'm not sure I'll get the explanation correct, but our audi explained

it to me

months ago. The digital aids take sound and decide what's " noise " and

what's

important to amplify. They throw " noise " out and keep only the

important stuff

(speech). One type of processor for the digitals discriminates music as

noise

while another does not. As I said, I can't explain it, but perhaps your

audi can

help you find an aid that would more meet your son's needs.

Thanks for the information about this simulation. Your explanation

was very

detailed.

Johanna

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Joanna, I'll look into this.

Re: Hearing Test

stromms@... wrote: <<That

being said, with the right aids, he hears amazingly well-speech, that

is, music is another story.>>

,

Perhaps you know this already, but different aids " hear " music

differently.

I'm not sure I'll get the explanation correct, but our audi explained

it to me

months ago. The digital aids take sound and decide what's " noise " and

what's

important to amplify. They throw " noise " out and keep only the

important stuff

(speech). One type of processor for the digitals discriminates music as

noise

while another does not. As I said, I can't explain it, but perhaps your

audi can

help you find an aid that would more meet your son's needs.

Thanks for the information about this simulation. Your explanation

was very

detailed.

Johanna

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