Re: SBD & Boca Burgers

[Guest guest]

> My new copy of the completely revised SBD Good Eats Good

> Carbs Guide book, on page 75 at the bottom of the page does

> say that veggie burgers (not named by brand & not stated to

> be only Kraft products) are rated as G (Good to eat) in Phase

> I, II, & III of SBD. Also, this same book on page 104 about

> mid point on this page lists Garden burgers as also rated as

> G (Good to eat) in Phase I, II, III of SBD. Also, on the

> Boca Burger website, there is a link to South Beach Diet

> information to click into & this link states that each box of

> Boca Burgers does carry the SBD seal of approval & it also

> states that each individual product they make does state on

> the individual box, which Phase of SBD diet that particular

> product is OK for.

>

> is the one who is correct, ann & are not

> correct that Boca Burgers are wrong for SBD.

Oh, I wouldn't go there so easily. Just because the Good Fats/Carbs book

says that veggie burgers and Garden Burgers are allowed doesn't mean that

Boca Burgers are ok. First and foremost, a Boca Burger is NOT a Garden

Burger -- they're different brands. Also, not ALL Boca Burgers are allowed

on the SBD (certainly not on all phases) and as I mentioned, I was not aware

they now had a supposed SBD friendly line.

Boca Foods isn't exactly jumping out of the gates to tell folks on their web

site about the SBD. There's no use of the SBD logo/labeling on their site

at all. Information on it is not on the HOME page or under WHAT'S NEW...or

HEALTH & NUTRITION (and sub-categories) and it's not on their Products page

either.... They have it buried under the FAQs....

" Our portfolio of South Beach Diet Recommended Boca products includes the

following Burger varieties: Original Vegan, All American Flame Grilled,

Grilled Vegetable, Roasted Garlic, Roasted Onion, and Boca Cheeseburgers.

What's more, Boca Ground Burger and Boca Breakfast Patties and Links are

also South Beach Diet recommended. "

So there's the list that Boca says are ok for the SBD. Buried a few menu

layers down. The chik'n, mentioned in the original thread, is not on the

list. This list includes their " meatless products " only, however -- not

their organic products (all of which appear to have added sugar), and it

does not include the other Boca products such as their sausages, pizza,

lasagna, and chili.

Something I have to question is how it is that products with what appears to

be added sugar could be included as well. For example, the breakfast

patties have 1g of sugar per serving and include potato starch, brown sugar

and " washed raw sugar " . The Breakfast Links have 2g of sugar per serving

and include the same. Clearly these are NOT SBD friendly but yet they are

listed as SBD recommended. I can't say on the " Boca Ground " as their

website does not carry nutritional information for the product (it links to

the sausage product instead). There are other errors on the site as well,

FWIW.

Also as I mentioned after further discussion, Boca Burgers contain a bunch

of other garbage that really isn't that healthy, so one should think

carefully about whether or not to include it in your diet. It should NOT be

used as a staple of an SBD menu either, nor should it be considered a

substitute for a vegetable serving by any stretch of the imagination.

Lastly, this person is supposed to be on P1. There is no way these products

are P1 friendly. They have various wheat based ingredients in them, a few

contain actual added sugar and starches, and other brands contain oat

ingredients. Grains are not allowed during P1 so she should not be eating

these on P1 at all, regardless of whether one thinks these overprocessed

foods are ok or not.

In fact, I don't I know of ANY commercial veggie burger that would be

acceptable on phase 1 of the SBD, even the Dr Praeger patties. There may be

one out there but it certainly isn't a Boca, Morningstar Farms or

Gardenburger brand. I don't know how they could make one since every veggie

burger out there has oats, rice or wheat in it.

[Guest guest]

,

Just leave it alone and let'em eat what they want. ;-)

Orchid,

Dr. A sold his soul to the devil (AKA Kraft). You're entitled to your opinion,

is entitled to his as am I. Read the ingredients, read the book and then

make an informed decision and not one based upon whether a little blue

Southbeach logo is on the food item.

Approvals, in my opinion, really mean nothing without looking at a complete list

of the ingredients. The FDA " approves " things everyday that are proven unsafe

and even deadly,

I suspect the mods are ready to shut this thread down.

Jackie Siciliano

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The easiest choices in life just aren't that fun or interesting.

- Jimmy Buffett-

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----- Original Message -----

From: orchid106

I do not care how long of a post you care to make about your own personal

opinion of products endorsed by Dr. A. or how you attempt to change the facts

from the original posts to cloud the facts. The fact is that it is Dr. A diet &

also his book & he has the sole right to endorse or refuse to endorse products.

[Guest guest]

Never heard of a Boca Burger till today. I eat real, whole foods. Keeps

it simple. Don't need to worry. Pre-packaged stuff like Boca Burger is

an invitation to disaster. If it works for you, go for it, I guess.

Chuck

JACQUELINE SICILIANO wrote:

>,

>Just leave it alone and let'em eat what they want. ;-)

>

>Orchid,

>Dr. A sold his soul to the devil (AKA Kraft). You're entitled to your opinion,

is entitled to his as am I. Read the ingredients, read the book and then

make an informed decision and not one based upon whether a little blue

Southbeach logo is on the food item.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Orchid, I'll sum it up very simply -- if you didn't get it from what I said

in that post, then you're not going to get it period. Judging from your

reply, I doubt you really even read it. I'm sorry, but I just don't have

the time or inclination to go into it any further with you; my resources are

better spent elsewhere.

The best of luck to you in all your endeavors....

[Guest guest]

> Just leave it alone and let'em eat what they want. ;-)

All I'm trying to do is teach people how to think for themselves. The SBD

is based around a set of basic concepts. If you understand those basic

concepts then you don't need some book to tell you that this product is ok

and the other is not -- you can make that determination for yourself.

This whole thing with the food industry jumping on board and throwing out

these products is truly sad. Some of these Boca Burgers, although far from

healthy, do fit the criteria for P2 -- I've said that. I still wouldn't eat

them, but they're definitely P2 permissible, based on their ingredients list

(SOME are, not all). No matter what the " Good Carbs, Good Fats " book is

saying, the simple fact is that the ingredients do not conform with the

guidelines for P1. So I guess one has to decide which way to go -- with the

concepts taught in the book, or with the paid endorsements' opinions.

Maybe you're right, Jackie. Maybe I should just start ignoring people who

get caught up in the web of these endorsed products. I just hate to see

folks who want to get out of the obesity run fall victim again to the food

industry that keeps them there so easily.

[Guest guest]

And I hope you did not miss my little winky after my comment to you.

I hear everything you're saying. I agree with pretty much everything that you

write and I appreciate your input on this list.

Jackie Siciliano

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The easiest choices in life just aren't that fun or interesting.

- Jimmy Buffett-

----- Original Message -----

From: Noctaire

> Just leave it alone and let'em eat what they want. ;-)

All I'm trying to do is teach people how to think for themselves. The SBD

is based around a set of basic concepts. If you understand those basic

concepts then you don't need some book to tell you that this product is ok

and the other is not -- you can make that determination for yourself.

Maybe you're right, Jackie. Maybe I should just start ignoring people who

get caught up in the web of these endorsed products. I just hate to see

folks who want to get out of the obesity run fall victim again to the food

industry that keeps them there so easily.

[Guest guest]

Agreed Chuck.

Jackie Siciliano

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The easiest choices in life just aren't that fun or interesting.

- Jimmy Buffett-

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----- Original Message -----

From: Chuck Kelsey

Never heard of a Boca Burger till today. I eat real, whole foods. Keeps

it simple. Don't need to worry. Pre-packaged stuff like Boca Burger is

an invitation to disaster. If it works for you, go for it, I guess.

Chuck

JACQUELINE SICILIANO wrote:

>,

>Just leave it alone and let'em eat what they want. ;-)

>

>Orchid,

>Dr. A sold his soul to the devil (AKA Kraft). You're entitled to your

opinion, is entitled to his as am I. Read the ingredients, read the book

and then make an informed decision and not one based upon whether a little blue

Southbeach logo is on the food item.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> And I hope you did not miss my little winky after my comment to you.

> I hear everything you're saying. I agree with pretty much

> everything that you write and I appreciate your input on this list.

Yup, I saw it and I appreciate that.

[Guest guest]

I'm personally holding out for the 12 slice " Cheeseburger Deluxe " SBD

pizza with ground beef, American cheese, peppers and onions on it,

just like Domino's makes

ann

>

> HE IS??? Oh I THINK I LOVE HIM!! What about a supreme or loaded

> house special pizza with a pitcher of beer on the side? Do you think

> the donuts will be chocolate frosted? I have also been craving fried

> fish & chips. I request that, too. Oh and done forget the

> Margaritas, Pina Coladas and Strawberry Daquaris with extra whipped

> cream on top!!

>

> LOL!! Sorry I need to go make breakfast, now.

[Guest guest]

--- ann maryann127@...> wrote:

> ' point is that there is a " foods to enjoy "

> list for phase 1 and

> a " foods to enjoy " list for phase 2. If any food

> product contains

> foods other than what is on those lists, they are

> not compliant with

> SBD.

Those lists aren't exhaustive. There's a lot of foods

that aren't on either the approved list or the " foods

to avoid " list. They probably cover most of the common

ones, but there will be times when you might want to

try something that's neither explicitly approved or

forbidden. That's when you need to understand the

principles of the diet at the phase you're in and

understand how to figure out whether or not you can

have it.

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[Guest guest]

I was pretty excited to read that boca burgers were " safe " but I'm of the " if it

sounds too good (and too processed) to be true, it probably is " thinking too.

Does anyone have any good recipes for their own veggie burgers? I'd love to

start moving away from meat & I think that'd be a good start. I'm going to do a

search online, I just didn't know if anyone had anything tried & true.

--

~Jenn

-------------- Original message --------------

Never heard of a Boca Burger till today. I eat real, whole foods. Keeps

it simple. Don't need to worry. Pre-packaged stuff like Boca Burger is

an invitation to disaster. If it works for you, go for it, I guess.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

> I was pretty excited to read that boca burgers were " safe "

> but I'm of the " if it sounds too good (and too processed) to

> be true, it probably is " thinking too. Does anyone have any

> good recipes for their own veggie burgers? I'd love to start

> moving away from meat & I think that'd be a good start. I'm

> going to do a search online, I just didn't know if anyone had

> anything tried & true.

Hey Jenn -- I posted a few the other day and you can find others by looking

at veg*n recipe sites such as http://www.fatfreevegan.com for example.

...who is eating his first meal of the day, a big bowl of bean soup.

[Guest guest]

Lentil-Barley Burgers

1/2 cup red lentils (MUST be red, since green lentils do not " mush " )

1/2 cup barley

1/4 cup finely diced onions

1 clove miced garlic

1 Tbsp parsley

1 tsp black pepper

2.5 cups water

Bring water to boil. Add lentils and barley, onions and garlic. Cook

for 40 minutes, until water is all absorbed. Put in fridge to cool

off. When cooled, add parsley and pepper. Form into patties and pan

fry in some olive oil.

ann

>

> I was pretty excited to read that boca burgers were " safe " but I'm

of the " if it sounds too good (and too processed) to be true, it

probably is " thinking too. Does anyone have any good recipes for

their own veggie burgers? I'd love to start moving away from meat &

I think that'd be a good start. I'm going to do a search online, I

just didn't know if anyone had anything tried & true.

>

> --

> ~Jenn

[Guest guest]

> --- ann wrote:

>

> > ' point is that there is a " foods to enjoy "

> > list for phase 1 and

> > a " foods to enjoy " list for phase 2. If any food

> > product contains

> > foods other than what is on those lists, they are

> > not compliant with

> > SBD.

>

> Those lists aren't exhaustive. There's a lot of foods

> that aren't on either the approved list or the " foods

> to avoid " list. They probably cover most of the common

> ones, but there will be times when you might want to

> try something that's neither explicitly approved or

> forbidden. That's when you need to understand the

> principles of the diet at the phase you're in and

> understand how to figure out whether or not you can

> have it.

>

Along these lines....is there a number I be shooting for as far as

carbs/sugar/fat goes in the nutritional values once I start P2 and

branch out alittle bit....I stress, alittle bit. I'm getting alittle

nervous about it actually. I've decided to stay off of bread for

awhile longer and just start with the fruit at first. What do I miss

the most...bran flakes for breakfast.

Thanks,

Kim/VT

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

> Along these lines....is there a number I be shooting for as far as

> carbs/sugar/fat goes in the nutritional values once I start P2 and

> branch out alittle bit....I stress, alittle bit. I'm getting alittle

> nervous about it actually. I've decided to stay off of bread for

> awhile longer and just start with the fruit at first. What do I miss

> the most...bran flakes for breakfast.

The SBD doesn't really use " numbers " per se. When you start P2, you want to

ease into it -- add a single serving of grain and a single serving of fruit

to your daily regimen. Maybe a slice of toast at breakfast and a small

apple for lunch. Do this for a week and see how it affects you. Then,

during week 2, switch it up and try something else. After a few weeks to a

month (or more, if you like) of doing this, you can increase to 1-2 servings

of each per day. After a while, go to 2-3 servings each day of each.

The idea is to sort of experiment and see what happens to your weight loss

as you add the foods back. You'll find some stall you while others have no

affect whatsoever. If cravings return, you back off, maybe revisit P1 a few

days if you like, and try something else.

As they say, slow and steady wins the race.