Question

[Guest guest]

The body can feed off itself for a long, LONG time, but eventually

things start to go south.

On another list I'm on, a member's brother-in-law just died due to

malnutrition following a proximal RNY. I think he was about seven

years out.

Never had a protein shake, never took a vitamin in his life. Yes, he

actually bragged about this fact. Bragged about it all the way to

his grave.

Felicia

>

> Lately I have been wondering about the whole issue of vitamins and

protein.

> Not long ago Patti ask me how I was doing with them and I

sort of

> ducked the question because I hardly ever take either. Now I am

wondering if

> I could be doing something that will really hurt me later on. I

had the

> open RNY in May, 2000 and so far have lost 315 lbs. I am going to

be having

> my incision hernia repaired and the apron removed at Methodist

Hospital in a

> few weeks. The surgeons who will work on me are Dr. Wade Rosenberg (

> Gastroenterology ) and Dr. Weimer (Plastic Surgeon).

>

> Anyway, to the question - has anyone else not taken many vitamins

or done

> the protein shakes? For the first 45 days after surgery I was fed

through a

> central line so ate very little. When I finally got out of the

hospital I

> could barely walk and couldn't drive so never really went and bought

> anything. Before Patti, no one ever talked to me about them even

though I

> always read about them in the posts.

>

> Like everyone else, I have blood work done about every four to six

months.

> Once my Thiamin was low but everything else seems fine. I have lost

very

> little hair and the only bad side effect is the occasional

vomiting. I live

> on things like meat, tuna fish, cole slaw, cold cereal, New England

Clam

> Chowder, Wheat Thins, fruit, water, lemonade, nuts, and an

occasional Big

> Mac. I do not eat deserts, drink cokes or any of that stuff. Since

my

> surgery I have been hospitalized three times, once for

uncontrollable

> dumping, once for impaction and the last time over a year ago when

my left

> lung collapsed after becoming infected from vomiting (long story).

That one

> required a major operation.

>

> But all in all I feel good, am starting to look good, sex drive has

returned

> big time and I can walk and talk at the same time and still breath.

I have

> had a couple of recent scares where I almost passed out without

knowing why.

> Just all of a sudden my head felt real hot and I knew I was

blacking out. I

> am starting to wonder if the almost blacking out has anything to do

with

> vitamins or proteins. Again, my blood work looks good. Has anyone

else not

> used vitamins and proteins but seems to do fine? Anyone else ever

almost

> black out?

>

> Davenport

[Guest guest]

hey u guys - since i'm having this denial not meeting criteria BS going on

do you think if i wrote a generic letter stating my health situation and

basically give my real life sob story that the dr would just sign it? b/c i

know to get them all to write their own letter will take 4ever even if they

do it?

visit our website

www.geocities.com/tanyarn96/countryside.html

-- pre op done yay!!!!

i went to the dr today and did all the final paper work and had any

last things done i had the ultra sound that was a bit wierd lol but

it was just a long day i think i saw 7 or 8 people and had like

about 5 appts today i am sorry i have not been able to read all

posts i have like a hundred or so in my mail box

to all of you that know my mom(melody) she is scheduled for her

tummy tuck the week after my surg so its gonna be an interesting 2-3

weeks the dr said my hosp stay will be about 5 days so thats going

to suck

mom told me to tell all of you as soon as she can get to a computer

she will post a message about me for yall

thank you soo much for your support and prayers they are muchly

appriciated too all of you that are having surg in the next upcoming

weeks i wish you the best of luck and you will deff be in my

thoughts and prayers and to yall who had you post op check ups

congrats i know it must be the happest feeling

well i need to go as mom need to use the puter

sarah

7/21 date yay!!!

ohh yeah the one bad news i heard was i gained 10 pounds

oh well more for me to work on and be proud to loose lol

[Guest guest]

My opnion is wait until you actuall get a denial letter from them.

You said the nurse was going to have the doctor call etc. See how

that pans out. If you do get a written denial letter, which they

have to provide, then go the next route. I've been to appeal with

BC/BS and have won so I know it can be done, but let the original

process play out first. Might create more problems right now than

letting the surgeon handle it. However, keep in contact with the

surgeons office to be sure he is taking care of business.

D.

> hey u guys - since i'm having this denial not meeting criteria BS

going on

> do you think if i wrote a generic letter stating my health

situation and

> basically give my real life sob story that the dr would just sign

it? b/c i

> know to get them all to write their own letter will take 4ever even

if they

> do it?

>

>

> visit our website

> www.geocities.com/tanyarn96/countryside.html

> -- pre op done yay!!!!

>

> i went to the dr today and did all the final paper work and had any

> last things done i had the ultra sound that was a bit wierd lol but

> it was just a long day i think i saw 7 or 8 people and had like

> about 5 appts today i am sorry i have not been able to read all

> posts i have like a hundred or so in my mail box

> to all of you that know my mom(melody) she is scheduled for her

> tummy tuck the week after my surg so its gonna be an interesting 2-

3

> weeks the dr said my hosp stay will be about 5 days so thats going

> to suck

> mom told me to tell all of you as soon as she can get to a computer

> she will post a message about me for yall

> thank you soo much for your support and prayers they are muchly

> appriciated too all of you that are having surg in the next

upcoming

> weeks i wish you the best of luck and you will deff be in my

> thoughts and prayers and to yall who had you post op check ups

> congrats i know it must be the happest feeling

> well i need to go as mom need to use the puter

> sarah

> 7/21 date yay!!!

> ohh yeah the one bad news i heard was i gained 10 pounds

> oh well more for me to work on and be proud to loose lol

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wrote a letter like that to my insurance, and stated the long term commitment

and my willingness to work hard at this and sent it right to the insurance

company, well faxed it.

in OK

post op 7-8-03

pre op done yay!!!!

i went to the dr today and did all the final paper work and had any

last things done i had the ultra sound that was a bit wierd lol but

it was just a long day i think i saw 7 or 8 people and had like

about 5 appts today i am sorry i have not been able to read all

posts i have like a hundred or so in my mail box

to all of you that know my mom(melody) she is scheduled for her

tummy tuck the week after my surg so its gonna be an interesting 2-3

weeks the dr said my hosp stay will be about 5 days so thats going

to suck

mom told me to tell all of you as soon as she can get to a computer

she will post a message about me for yall

thank you soo much for your support and prayers they are muchly

appriciated too all of you that are having surg in the next upcoming

weeks i wish you the best of luck and you will deff be in my

thoughts and prayers and to yall who had you post op check ups

congrats i know it must be the happest feeling

well i need to go as mom need to use the puter

sarah

7/21 date yay!!!

ohh yeah the one bad news i heard was i gained 10 pounds

oh well more for me to work on and be proud to loose lol

[Guest guest]

Before I got my braces my orthodontist told me I might have to had my jaw

broken. I've got a Jay Leno type chin but a lot less severe. Before I got my

braces my orthodontist told me I might have to had my jaw broken. I've got my

braces off(for almost a year) and should have what I think might be my last

ortho visit in a few months. At my last visit he said he was a bit concerned

that my upper and lower teeth were meeting at the tips insteadd of the top

going infront of the back. I just wanted to know if anyone has been in a

similar situation...and if it would be cosmetic or medical to get it fixed. I

definetely want to get it fixed eventually but how soon will probably be

determined by if I can get covered by insurance. Any advice would be greatly

appreciated...

Cagle

[Guest guest]

Probably orthognathic surgery will give you both medical AND cosmetic

benefit, and probably you will have to persuade the insurance company

(unless you are inependently wealthy and can afford to spend big

bucks with the docs) that it is NOT cosmetic but is indeed medical.

Possible medical helps: curing sleep apnea, relieving headaches

and/or TMJ troubles -- although it can also make TMJ troubles worse,

and I think I've even heard of a few folks whose headaches were worse

post-op, helping with periodontic disease, etc. Plus it enables your

ortho to match your teeth and jaws up, and thereby helps with long-

term retention...

You probably know about the cosmetic advantages already..

And they don't really " break " your jaw so much as do a carefully

calculated set of cuts, and then tease the bone apart, protecting the

big nerve that runs through the bone. It's not at all as though

someone took a clawhammer to it, believe me.

Cammie

> Before I got my braces my orthodontist told me I might have to had

my jaw

> broken. I've got a Jay Leno type chin but a lot less severe.

Before I got my

> braces my orthodontist told me I might have to had my jaw broken.

I've got my

> braces off(for almost a year) and should have what I think might be

my last

> ortho visit in a few months. At my last visit he said he was a bit

concerned

> that my upper and lower teeth were meeting at the tips insteadd of

the top

> going infront of the back. I just wanted to know if anyone has

been in a

> similar situation...and if it would be cosmetic or medical to get

it fixed. I

> definetely want to get it fixed eventually but how soon will

probably be

> determined by if I can get covered by insurance. Any advice would

be greatly

> appreciated...

>

> Cagle

[Guest guest]

Hi! I would find out first if you need the surgery for medical

reasons... and yes, if your ensurance covers it... also... you have

to have in mind that you will need braces again *maybe?* because of

changes that your jaws and teeth will have post-op.

Maybe other member will give you more detailed info... Everything I

know, I learned here...

good luck!

> Before I got my braces my orthodontist told me I might have to had

my jaw

> broken. I've got a Jay Leno type chin but a lot less severe.

Before I got my

> braces my orthodontist told me I might have to had my jaw broken.

I've got my

> braces off(for almost a year) and should have what I think might be

my last

> ortho visit in a few months. At my last visit he said he was a bit

concerned

> that my upper and lower teeth were meeting at the tips insteadd of

the top

> going infront of the back. I just wanted to know if anyone has

been in a

> similar situation...and if it would be cosmetic or medical to get

it fixed. I

> definetely want to get it fixed eventually but how soon will

probably be

> determined by if I can get covered by insurance. Any advice would

be greatly

> appreciated...

>

> Cagle

[Guest guest]

No he hasn't just a gp

Hugs jan

Re: question

Jan,I am sorry to hear Duane is having such troubles. Could his breathing issues be because he is getting enough air in, but he is having trouble getting the Co2 out? Has he been to a pulmonoligist?Hugs,Jan wrote:

Hi Guys

Duane is having a very hard time breathing but when I tale him to the DR his 02 is 98 % so its not because he is not getting enough air but he acts like he cant.

I don't know what to do I find it so hard to see him uncomfortable and his stomach hurts allot I give him ranitidine sp 3 times a day I don't know what else to do I find it so difficult to see him in pain it feels like torture and I cant find any thing to help him and the DRs don't seem to be of any help they say its anxiety.

That seems to be there answer for every thing

IF his muscles are getting week in his chest so it feels that he cant get air would he have a low 02?

or could it be normal?

Hugs Jan Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

[Guest guest]

Jan,

You may want to try to get him into see one then.  Good luck!

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:02:55 -0800, Jan wrote

> No he hasn't just a gp >   > Hugs  jan

> Re: question > > Jan,

> > I am sorry to hear Duane is having such troubles.  Could his breathing issues be because he is getting enough air in, but he is having trouble getting the Co2 out?  Has he been to a pulmonoligist?

> > Hugs,

>

> > Jan wrote:

>

> Hi Guys >   > Duane is having a very hard time breathing but when I tale him to the DR his 02 is 98 % so its not because he is not getting enough air but he acts like he cant. >   > I don't know what to do I find it so hard to see him uncomfortable and his stomach hurts allot I give him ranitidine sp 3 times a day I don't know what else to do I find it so difficult to see him in pain it feels like torture and I cant find any thing to help him and the DRs don't seem to be of any help they say its anxiety.

>   > That seems to be there answer for every thing

> IF his muscles are getting week in his chest so it feels that he cant get air would he have a low 02? > or could it be normal? > Hugs  Jan 

> > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

> > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

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> >

> > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

> > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

>

> > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

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[Guest guest]

I wish I could commit to being NC and not wavering, but things come up and

need to be dealt with such as illness, etc.

Case in point, my nada was arrested and spent 32 days in jail. 74 years

old. This brought the family together as we were horrified and saddened at

the same time. Nada's youngest sister and I worked together with nada's

attorney to get her released...it was quite an ordeal. We made all the

arrangments to finally get her home, hired a care worker, nurse, cleaning

service, had meals delivered to nada, etc. We thought nada hit rock bottom

and would emerge as a different person and thankful for all we did to

resolve the situation and trouble she had gotten herself into. Nada loved

the attention and rather than having remorse over what she had done she

blamed everyone but herself for what happened. Then she spiraled right

back to her nasty old self.

During the course of all of this stress, I ended up at the hospital having

liver/gallbladder scans as we thought I was developing a problem. No

problem just stress.

Well, here we are at NC again.

To answer your question, we had to get nada out of jail. Remaining NC and

allowing a 74 year old sit in jail is unacceptable. So for us it's an in

and out of NC kinda life. And with Christmas around the corner I can't

help wonder what nada will do next in order to get the attention she lives

for.

After her time in the slammer I look at it this way...

next time I have to come out of NC, I'll look at it as a dirty job that

needs to get done, do what I have to do and return to my life. And try as

hard as I can to remain emotionless about it.

Hope this gives you some ideas that might work for you...