X # of pounds lost forever? NOT

[Guest guest]

I've seen medical proof. I've talked to post op distals that are within 30

pounds of their pre op weight. It is true...... PROVEN fact.You can regain

with ANY of these surgeries. I'm not trying to start a war on here and it

is your choice to believe that YOU won't regain but please don't mislead

others into thinking they can't.

Cissy

> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:00:02 EST

> From: chezmich@...

> Subject: Re: X # of pounds lost forever!

>> Don't hurt yourself by thinking that you cannot out eat any of these

> procedures. It's real and it hurts.

>

>

> Only true of RNY. Sorry.

> Michele B.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/29/2001 10:09:07 PM Central Standard Time,

hawgtied@... writes:

> I've seen medical proof. I've talked to post op distals that are within 30

> pounds of their pre op weight. It is true...... PROVEN fact.You can regain

> with ANY of these surgeries. I'm not trying to start a war on here and it

> is your choice to believe that YOU won't regain but please don't mislead

> others into thinking they can't.

>

>

You are talking anecdotal medical evidence and you are talking about the RNY.

I am talking about peer reviewed medical literature about actual studies

about the BPD/DS.

Also, as far as anecdotal evidence goes, I posted to these various lists

about 6 months ago asking any long term weight gained BPD/DSer to come

forward. None did!

Dawn--far south Chicago suburban area

Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

BPD/DS

4/27/00

www.duodenalswitch.com

267 to 165 5' 4 "

size 22 to size 10

have made size goal

no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/29/2001 10:09:07 PM Central Standard Time,

hawgtied@... writes:

> I've seen medical proof. I've talked to post op distals that are within 30

> pounds of their pre op weight. It is true...... PROVEN fact.You can regain

> with ANY of these surgeries. I'm not trying to start a war on here and it

> is your choice to believe that YOU won't regain but please don't mislead

> others into thinking they can't.

>

>

You are talking anecdotal medical evidence and you are talking about the RNY.

I am talking about peer reviewed medical literature about actual studies

about the BPD/DS.

Also, as far as anecdotal evidence goes, I posted to these various lists

about 6 months ago asking any long term weight gained BPD/DSer to come

forward. None did!

Dawn--far south Chicago suburban area

Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

BPD/DS

4/27/00

www.duodenalswitch.com

267 to 165 5' 4 "

size 22 to size 10

have made size goal

no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/01 9:11:51 AM Central Standard Time,

vt_rita@... writes:

> I still maintain that no matter which surgery we have,

> IF we do not get right with food and accept

> responsibility for our daily living, the weight can

> and will come back....

>

Very well said, Rita, since all WLS works to reduce the calories available by

one method or the other, it only stands to reason that, if the patient

exceeds the caloric intake necessary to maintain weight, then a regain is not

only possible but very probable.

We have all been told that this is only a " tool. " No current weight loss

surgery is " a magic bullet " you can " outeat " any surgery. I researched this

surgery for about two years before I had it, I was aware of the regain issue

possible with any WLS. One of the reasons I picked the surgeon I chose was

that he was very upfront about this at the first visit, carefully explaining

to both my with and I, what we already knew from our research, that is that

you can fail if you refuse to change your lifestyle along with the surgery.

Eat sensibly, exercise, and take your supplements for the rest of your life.

I for one think that is a small price to pay, for remaining healthy and

active.

Bill in WV

Open RNY 7/7/99

Dr. Harvey Sugerman

Medical College of Virginia - Richmond, VA

Trigon BCBS

Start 423 lbs. Current 221 lbs.

202 lbs. Gone Forever, but certainly not Forgotten

Visit my website: http://openrny.homestead.com/WLS.htmlhttp://openrny.homestead.com/WLS.html

Don't let the " Chain of Love " end with you!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/30/01 9:11:51 AM Central Standard Time,

vt_rita@... writes:

> I still maintain that no matter which surgery we have,

> IF we do not get right with food and accept

> responsibility for our daily living, the weight can

> and will come back....

>

Very well said, Rita, since all WLS works to reduce the calories available by

one method or the other, it only stands to reason that, if the patient

exceeds the caloric intake necessary to maintain weight, then a regain is not

only possible but very probable.

We have all been told that this is only a " tool. " No current weight loss

surgery is " a magic bullet " you can " outeat " any surgery. I researched this

surgery for about two years before I had it, I was aware of the regain issue

possible with any WLS. One of the reasons I picked the surgeon I chose was

that he was very upfront about this at the first visit, carefully explaining

to both my with and I, what we already knew from our research, that is that

you can fail if you refuse to change your lifestyle along with the surgery.

Eat sensibly, exercise, and take your supplements for the rest of your life.

I for one think that is a small price to pay, for remaining healthy and

active.

Bill in WV

Open RNY 7/7/99

Dr. Harvey Sugerman

Medical College of Virginia - Richmond, VA

Trigon BCBS

Start 423 lbs. Current 221 lbs.

202 lbs. Gone Forever, but certainly not Forgotten

Visit my website: http://openrny.homestead.com/WLS.htmlhttp://openrny.homestead.com/WLS.html

Don't let the " Chain of Love " end with you!

[Guest guest]

I am only gonna address this once, I have kept my

mouth shut about it but have to say this:

I have been emailing 2 BPD/DSers for the last year.

Both hit around 3 and a half yrs postop and started

regaining. as of now one has gained 20 lbs and the

other gained 30 and both are having serious medical

issues (probably from not following instructions about

nutrition and supplements) I have asked them to email

the list but neither one will as they are too

embarassed based on conversations on this. They both

said as long as they remain anonymous in my posts I

could share this with you.

I still maintain that no matter which surgery we have,

IF we do not get right with food and accept

responsibility for our daily living, the weight can

and will come back....

This is not a war or an argument, just a fact that I

know about.

Oh, and neither one has any mechanical failures

either.

I hope and pray that no one has to deal with regain

but I would rather be honest than hide the facts.

Hugs and Happy New Year

Rita in Vermont

--- dwkteach@... wrote:

>

> You are talking anecdotal medical evidence and you

> are talking about the RNY.

> I am talking about peer reviewed medical literature

> about actual studies

> about the BPD/DS.

>

> Also, as far as anecdotal evidence goes, I posted to

> these various lists

> about 6 months ago asking any long term weight

> gained BPD/DSer to come

> forward. None did!

>

> Dawn--far south Chicago suburban area

> Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

> BPD/DS

> 4/27/00

> www.duodenalswitch.com

> 267 to 165 5' 4 "

> size 22 to size 10

> have made size goal

> no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting!

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I am only gonna address this once, I have kept my

mouth shut about it but have to say this:

I have been emailing 2 BPD/DSers for the last year.

Both hit around 3 and a half yrs postop and started

regaining. as of now one has gained 20 lbs and the

other gained 30 and both are having serious medical

issues (probably from not following instructions about

nutrition and supplements) I have asked them to email

the list but neither one will as they are too

embarassed based on conversations on this. They both

said as long as they remain anonymous in my posts I

could share this with you.

I still maintain that no matter which surgery we have,

IF we do not get right with food and accept

responsibility for our daily living, the weight can

and will come back....

This is not a war or an argument, just a fact that I

know about.

Oh, and neither one has any mechanical failures

either.

I hope and pray that no one has to deal with regain

but I would rather be honest than hide the facts.

Hugs and Happy New Year

Rita in Vermont

--- dwkteach@... wrote:

>

> You are talking anecdotal medical evidence and you

> are talking about the RNY.

> I am talking about peer reviewed medical literature

> about actual studies

> about the BPD/DS.

>

> Also, as far as anecdotal evidence goes, I posted to

> these various lists

> about 6 months ago asking any long term weight

> gained BPD/DSer to come

> forward. None did!

>

> Dawn--far south Chicago suburban area

> Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

> BPD/DS

> 4/27/00

> www.duodenalswitch.com

> 267 to 165 5' 4 "

> size 22 to size 10

> have made size goal

> no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting!

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

One thing I never see addressed here is the issue of hypertrophy and I'm

hoping Dr Carolyn will jump in here & explain it more technically. But in

general, it works like so.

Leaving out the bands of all kinds (no offense, ), the rest of us have

a common channel, be we RNY, DS, BPD (no DS) or MGB. Whatever it is in

length is what it WAS day of surgery. It doesn't last.

The intestine was designed to absorb & transport food. We agree? OK, and it

has vilii in it, tiny hairs or fingers that do the work, help the

peristalsis along, suck the nutrition out of the food. That is, ONCE the

food has been made digestible by passing through the lower stomach and

duodenum. The DS people have pylorus, and some bit of digestion, but the

rest of us don't have that.

So, we've all lost the basic 8 (nutritional elements) in the lower stomach &

missing duodenum. Then would come the intestine. And while we're all

configured a little differently NOW, the original equipment had the jejunum

(first 12 " or so) doing most of the absorption of those basic 8 elements.

Hence the need for supplementation of those 8, plus whatever else your body

requests via nice black & white lab work (no guessing required).

But for these procedures, in essence, the food takes the high road and the

digestive cocktail takes the low road and where they finally meet is the

common channel, where all elements mingle together. Proximals have way more

common channel, so more mingling time. Distals have way less common channel,

where the food & gastric juices get a handshake and move on out.

We ALL absorb sugar, 100%, except for some of us, who absorb it at about

150%, lips to hips, no digestion required. Or in my case, rub it on my arm

and watch me plump up.

The common channel is now doing the job that the entire intestine used to

do, as well as part of what the lower stomach + duodenum once did. It is not

built to do it well. As we know, the body will do EVERYTHING it can to

normalize. Everything. So, the common channel grows more vilii (hairs) AND

thickens AND elongates, in order to do the triple job we're asking it to do.

We all know the pouch stretches, and we assume it's from eating larger

volume, but ALSO, it would do this on its own, because it is trying to

normalize.

If we are malnourished (not enough supplementation, too pukey to get it in,

bad choices-whatever), it will happen to a greater extent. My doc keeps

reminding me this will happen, but I keep saying that my common channel is

never going to KNOW it is missing anything, because I am burying it in

nutrition! LOL!

So, part of the 2 year/3 year wall for ALL of us, is that body trying to

normalize. The other contributing factors are, of course, getting sloppy

about supplementation, water, sugars, volume, grazing--all that stuff. But

the underlying thing that befuddles us is that the stuff we " usta be able to

get away with " , well, now we pay the piper and are wondering why.

Hypertrophy (getting over-compensated in the common channel) is one reason

that we have to work a little harder down the road.

It's so clear in my head, so please tell me if I was unable to spit it out

so it makes sense, 'K?

Thanks,

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Re: X # of pounds lost forever? NOT

> In a message dated 12/30/01 9:11:51 AM Central Standard Time,

> vt_rita@... writes:

>

> > I still maintain that no matter which surgery we have,

> > IF we do not get right with food and accept

> > responsibility for our daily living, the weight can

> > and will come back....

> >

>

> Very well said, Rita, since all WLS works to reduce the calories available

by

> one method or the other, it only stands to reason that, if the patient

> exceeds the caloric intake necessary to maintain weight, then a regain is

not

> only possible but very probable.

>

> We have all been told that this is only a " tool. " No current weight loss

> surgery is " a magic bullet " you can " outeat " any surgery. I researched

this

> surgery for about two years before I had it, I was aware of the regain

issue

> possible with any WLS. One of the reasons I picked the surgeon I chose

was

> that he was very upfront about this at the first visit, carefully

explaining

> to both my with and I, what we already knew from our research, that is

that

> you can fail if you refuse to change your lifestyle along with the

surgery.

>

> Eat sensibly, exercise, and take your supplements for the rest of your

life.

> I for one think that is a small price to pay, for remaining healthy and

> active.

>

> Bill in WV

> Open RNY 7/7/99

> Dr. Harvey Sugerman

> Medical College of Virginia - Richmond, VA

> Trigon BCBS

> Start 423 lbs. Current 221 lbs.

> 202 lbs. Gone Forever, but certainly not Forgotten

> Visit my website: http://openrny.homestead.com/WLS.htmlhttp://openrny.homestead.com/WLS.html

> Don't let the " Chain of Love " end with you!

>

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>

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>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ...This was written to where I actually " absorbed " it!

Finnally!!!!!!!

DonnaO

[Guest guest]

<< Hypertrophy (getting over-compensated in the common channel) is one

reason that we have to work a little harder down the road. It's so clear in

my head, so please tell me if I was unable to spit it out so it makes sense,

'K? >>

Makes perfect sense to me. Another reason to strive to keep up our early

post-op habits and stick to a sensible eating plan. None of us, no matter

what procedure we had, wants to regain.

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[Guest guest]

<< Hypertrophy (getting over-compensated in the common channel) is one

reason that we have to work a little harder down the road. It's so clear in

my head, so please tell me if I was unable to spit it out so it makes sense,

'K? >>

Makes perfect sense to me. Another reason to strive to keep up our early

post-op habits and stick to a sensible eating plan. None of us, no matter

what procedure we had, wants to regain.

------------------------------------------------

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(877)-838-HOST /

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[Guest guest]

<< Hypertrophy (getting over-compensated in the common channel) is one

reason that we have to work a little harder down the road. It's so clear in

my head, so please tell me if I was unable to spit it out so it makes sense,

'K? >>

Makes perfect sense to me. Another reason to strive to keep up our early

post-op habits and stick to a sensible eating plan. None of us, no matter

what procedure we had, wants to regain.

------------------------------------------------

Terry Mayers

5DollarHosting.com

http://www.5dollarhosting.com http://www.5dollarhosting.com/>

(877)-838-HOST /

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