Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 > > > > > P.S. To above. > > > > > > > > > > I don't doubt the sincerity of those in LSR/SOS who had a > > coffee > > > > pot and > > > > > resentment and started a new meeting. I do question how far > > > > removed > > > > > they are from the meetings they left even if they've made some > > > > changes > > > > > in language, completely wiping out the religious and keeping > > the AA > > > > > science and alcohol as Devil Drink. I can understand the > > > > attraction of > > > > > genetics and " physiological differences. " It confers > > innocence on > > > > > repeated bad behavior while drunk. Just stop drinking, which > > one > > > > wants > > > > > to do anyway, and one not only has that benefit, but all bad > > > > behavior > > > > > can be ascribed to " it, " the disease, Devil Drink, genes, > > however > > > > it is > > > > > termed. Perhaps that is where much of the need to proseletyze > > > > comes > > > > > from. > > Ken, you've already shown you don't know a damn thing about LSR or SOS, in > my opinion, and I'm sure others who are in one or the other or both. > > > > > > > > > They believe alcohol is Devil Drink (and a million other > > > > assumptions) because it suits them and since they have a false > > > > belief, they must convince others of it to continue believing it. > More bullshit. I've never heard that phrase online or f2f at LSR or SOS. > Pure ignorant bullshit. > Steve Devil Drink is a phrase to describe the attitude that alcohol is " bad. " You know like computers are bad, technology is bad... in your case, science is bad. And that attitude (not the phrase itself, you dolt) that alcohol is bad is supported by just about any group that deals with " alcoholism " that I have ever had the slightest exposure to. So grow up youngun. And for more bullshit (that is assumptions that suit your type) let me remind you of the disease theory, the gene bullshit and all the other shit you've made up and decided to take as fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Cool- This is actually funny. I always thought it odd that an apparently intelligent individual wrote on a fifth grade level. But in aa, you know, criticizing the bb is well, you know, the the most terrible thing, and you know it means you have a shitty program, and you know it means that you're guilty of " contempt prior to investigation " and your mind is closed, and boy are you more fucked up than you thought in the first place... Jan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------- In a message dated 8/11/01 8:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time, cool_guy@... writes: << Also, something I wish I could learn from Bill is to write with his style that is so readable for functionally illiterate people. It is not so easy actually - he must have been blessed with it! >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Cool- This is actually funny. I always thought it odd that an apparently intelligent individual wrote on a fifth grade level. But in aa, you know, criticizing the bb is well, you know, the the most terrible thing, and you know it means you have a shitty program, and you know it means that you're guilty of " contempt prior to investigation " and your mind is closed, and boy are you more fucked up than you thought in the first place... Jan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------- In a message dated 8/11/01 8:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time, cool_guy@... writes: << Also, something I wish I could learn from Bill is to write with his style that is so readable for functionally illiterate people. It is not so easy actually - he must have been blessed with it! >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Cool- This is actually funny. I always thought it odd that an apparently intelligent individual wrote on a fifth grade level. But in aa, you know, criticizing the bb is well, you know, the the most terrible thing, and you know it means you have a shitty program, and you know it means that you're guilty of " contempt prior to investigation " and your mind is closed, and boy are you more fucked up than you thought in the first place... Jan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------- In a message dated 8/11/01 8:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time, cool_guy@... writes: << Also, something I wish I could learn from Bill is to write with his style that is so readable for functionally illiterate people. It is not so easy actually - he must have been blessed with it! >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Re: Good Bye And I'll ask you the same thing I asked Steve -- what percentage of uninterested coercees who reject LSR's philosophy would be your personally comfortable limit at a given meeting? -- could you handle 10%? 30%? 75%? What if you attended a meeting with 5 newcomers, yourself, and 50 uninterested coercees who were reading the newspaper and listening to Walkmans? Would that be a worthwhile meeting for anyone that night?~RitaHi Rita: Duaine M here: You speak of this pretend meeting as if it would be some thing we couldn't handle. I can and have handled most any thing. I have been in jail meetings where I wasn't wanted. I didn't know it at the time but caught on fast. I gave them the info on what SOS was. Each person is the leader in their own life. Each person takes responsibility for their own life. We give them only support. Support in recovery Support in Abstinence. It's their choice. It's up to each of us to find our own path. If that path is no meetings no groups we in SOS celebrate that decision. That was the last forced group I went to. They stooped them. I did something. I stopped Forced groups in the Jail. I did some thing. Maybe My getting off my ass and doing some thing makes a difference. The SOS meeting have freed the people who use them. They are free to move on with their life. Free to not be tied to any group or person. If they are looking for a sober life. We have nothing to offer the ones who want to keep on doping. They need to form their own group. KOD Keep On Doping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Re: Good Bye And I'll ask you the same thing I asked Steve -- what percentage of uninterested coercees who reject LSR's philosophy would be your personally comfortable limit at a given meeting? -- could you handle 10%? 30%? 75%? What if you attended a meeting with 5 newcomers, yourself, and 50 uninterested coercees who were reading the newspaper and listening to Walkmans? Would that be a worthwhile meeting for anyone that night?~RitaHi Rita: Duaine M here: You speak of this pretend meeting as if it would be some thing we couldn't handle. I can and have handled most any thing. I have been in jail meetings where I wasn't wanted. I didn't know it at the time but caught on fast. I gave them the info on what SOS was. Each person is the leader in their own life. Each person takes responsibility for their own life. We give them only support. Support in recovery Support in Abstinence. It's their choice. It's up to each of us to find our own path. If that path is no meetings no groups we in SOS celebrate that decision. That was the last forced group I went to. They stooped them. I did something. I stopped Forced groups in the Jail. I did some thing. Maybe My getting off my ass and doing some thing makes a difference. The SOS meeting have freed the people who use them. They are free to move on with their life. Free to not be tied to any group or person. If they are looking for a sober life. We have nothing to offer the ones who want to keep on doping. They need to form their own group. KOD Keep On Doping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Re: Good Bye And I'll ask you the same thing I asked Steve -- what percentage of uninterested coercees who reject LSR's philosophy would be your personally comfortable limit at a given meeting? -- could you handle 10%? 30%? 75%? What if you attended a meeting with 5 newcomers, yourself, and 50 uninterested coercees who were reading the newspaper and listening to Walkmans? Would that be a worthwhile meeting for anyone that night?~RitaHi Rita: Duaine M here: You speak of this pretend meeting as if it would be some thing we couldn't handle. I can and have handled most any thing. I have been in jail meetings where I wasn't wanted. I didn't know it at the time but caught on fast. I gave them the info on what SOS was. Each person is the leader in their own life. Each person takes responsibility for their own life. We give them only support. Support in recovery Support in Abstinence. It's their choice. It's up to each of us to find our own path. If that path is no meetings no groups we in SOS celebrate that decision. That was the last forced group I went to. They stooped them. I did something. I stopped Forced groups in the Jail. I did some thing. Maybe My getting off my ass and doing some thing makes a difference. The SOS meeting have freed the people who use them. They are free to move on with their life. Free to not be tied to any group or person. If they are looking for a sober life. We have nothing to offer the ones who want to keep on doping. They need to form their own group. KOD Keep On Doping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Steve Snyder wrote: > > Just one more point. I'm curious on how 30-40 percent of members " owe > > their lives to AA " and _don't_ seriously steer group dynamics. > > > > Ken Ragge > > Nobody said 30-40 pct " owe their lives " to AA... just that they are involved > in both AA and LSR.. more smears from you, Ken. > And as to why they don't " steer group dynamics, " since you've obviously > never seriously investigated, you wouldn't know. > Steve > Steve, Actually, someone from LSR in private email said just that, only in that person's experience it was 40%. It seems we have someone from LSR smearing LSR, not even counting you. Ken Ragge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Steve Snyder wrote: > > Just one more point. I'm curious on how 30-40 percent of members " owe > > their lives to AA " and _don't_ seriously steer group dynamics. > > > > Ken Ragge > > Nobody said 30-40 pct " owe their lives " to AA... just that they are involved > in both AA and LSR.. more smears from you, Ken. > And as to why they don't " steer group dynamics, " since you've obviously > never seriously investigated, you wouldn't know. > Steve > Steve, Actually, someone from LSR in private email said just that, only in that person's experience it was 40%. It seems we have someone from LSR smearing LSR, not even counting you. Ken Ragge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Steve: I'm much less amused with you than I was formerly. Who died and made you God? Jan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------- In a message dated 8/11/01 9:59:55 PM Central Daylight Time, steverino63@... writes: << Wrong, Ken was telling lies about SOS... and of course, I'm sure you know about " psycho " and " babble " whenever you open your mouth, Cool Guy. Steve >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Steve Snyder wrote: > > > > I don't doubt the sincerity of those in LSR/SOS who had a coffee pot and > > resentment and started a new meeting. I do question how far removed > > they are from the meetings they left even if they've made some changes > > in language, completely wiping out the religious and keeping the AA > > science and alcohol as Devil Drink. I can understand the attraction of > > genetics and " physiological differences. " It confers innocence on > > repeated bad behavior while drunk. Just stop drinking, which one wants > > to do anyway, and one not only has that benefit, but all bad behavior > > can be ascribed to " it, " the disease, Devil Drink, genes, however it is > > termed. Perhaps that is where much of the need to proseletyze comes > > from. > > > > Ken > > I've never heard the words " Devil Drink " at online or f2f LSR or SOS. More > proof of your willful ignorance and your slanderous words, IMO. > Steve Steve, I've don't believe I've ever heard the words " confess one's sins, " or " proseletyze " in AA meetings. They say " admit defects of character " and " carry the message. " Same concept, different words. While I'm sure your favorite " recovery groups " don't use the term Devil Drink, I stand by what I've said before. Alcohol(ism) is treated as Devil Drink, at least according to what I've seen on the Internet. . P.S. On another note, if memory serves me correctly, Ron Roizen or Robin Room posted about a study of the nature of " alcohol-related " accidents. Not only did pedestrians who were drunk and stepped out in front of cars make up a sizeable proportion of those killed, when you boil it down to what is so horrible to all of us, drunk drivers killing other people, pedestrians or occupants of other cars or children they take with them, it comes to about 3000 out of 17,000 or 24,000 or whatever the number of alcohol-related traffic fatalities in a year. I don't remember exactly when the discussion was on addict-l but I'm sure if you are interested, if you would ask on the addict-l list, someone could point you to it. Ken Ragge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Steve Snyder wrote: > > > > I don't doubt the sincerity of those in LSR/SOS who had a coffee pot and > > resentment and started a new meeting. I do question how far removed > > they are from the meetings they left even if they've made some changes > > in language, completely wiping out the religious and keeping the AA > > science and alcohol as Devil Drink. I can understand the attraction of > > genetics and " physiological differences. " It confers innocence on > > repeated bad behavior while drunk. Just stop drinking, which one wants > > to do anyway, and one not only has that benefit, but all bad behavior > > can be ascribed to " it, " the disease, Devil Drink, genes, however it is > > termed. Perhaps that is where much of the need to proseletyze comes > > from. > > > > Ken > > I've never heard the words " Devil Drink " at online or f2f LSR or SOS. More > proof of your willful ignorance and your slanderous words, IMO. > Steve Steve, I've don't believe I've ever heard the words " confess one's sins, " or " proseletyze " in AA meetings. They say " admit defects of character " and " carry the message. " Same concept, different words. While I'm sure your favorite " recovery groups " don't use the term Devil Drink, I stand by what I've said before. Alcohol(ism) is treated as Devil Drink, at least according to what I've seen on the Internet. . P.S. On another note, if memory serves me correctly, Ron Roizen or Robin Room posted about a study of the nature of " alcohol-related " accidents. Not only did pedestrians who were drunk and stepped out in front of cars make up a sizeable proportion of those killed, when you boil it down to what is so horrible to all of us, drunk drivers killing other people, pedestrians or occupants of other cars or children they take with them, it comes to about 3000 out of 17,000 or 24,000 or whatever the number of alcohol-related traffic fatalities in a year. I don't remember exactly when the discussion was on addict-l but I'm sure if you are interested, if you would ask on the addict-l list, someone could point you to it. Ken Ragge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Duaine Met wrote: > > > Hi Rita: > > Duaine M here: > > You don't get it. You just don't get it. I don't think you ever will > your mind is closed. Rita, Don't you dare take Duaine's statement to heart. I like you fine just the way you are. Open-minded to new ideas, but not so open-minded you brain falls out. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Duaine Met wrote: > > > Hi Rita: > > Duaine M here: > > You don't get it. You just don't get it. I don't think you ever will > your mind is closed. Rita, Don't you dare take Duaine's statement to heart. I like you fine just the way you are. Open-minded to new ideas, but not so open-minded you brain falls out. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Duaine Met wrote: > > > Hi Rita: > > Duaine M here: > > You don't get it. You just don't get it. I don't think you ever will > your mind is closed. Rita, Don't you dare take Duaine's statement to heart. I like you fine just the way you are. Open-minded to new ideas, but not so open-minded you brain falls out. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Hi Ken: Duaine M here: That sounds like some you picked up in AA. Re: Re: Good Bye Duaine Met wrote:>>> Hi Rita:>> Duaine M here:>> You don't get it. You just don't get it. I don't think you ever will> your mind is closed.Rita,Don't you dare take Duaine's statement to heart. I like you fine justthe way you are. Open-minded to new ideas, but not so open-minded youbrain falls out. <G>Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Hi Ken: Duaine M here: That sounds like some you picked up in AA. Re: Re: Good Bye Duaine Met wrote:>>> Hi Rita:>> Duaine M here:>> You don't get it. You just don't get it. I don't think you ever will> your mind is closed.Rita,Don't you dare take Duaine's statement to heart. I like you fine justthe way you are. Open-minded to new ideas, but not so open-minded youbrain falls out. <G>Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Hi Ken: Duaine M here: That sounds like some you picked up in AA. Re: Re: Good Bye Duaine Met wrote:>>> Hi Rita:>> Duaine M here:>> You don't get it. You just don't get it. I don't think you ever will> your mind is closed.Rita,Don't you dare take Duaine's statement to heart. I like you fine justthe way you are. Open-minded to new ideas, but not so open-minded youbrain falls out. <G>Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Dallas: Finally you said something I can relate to - kites - kites are cool. You didn't miss a thing. Lots of folks on this list are using it to impress everyone with their oh-so-superior intelligence. Some have shared without putting others in their " place " . You won't find much joy here if that's what you're looking for. I don't think they know what joy is myself. Personally, I'd suggest you find a nice lady you like and get laid if you're looking for joy. Or babysit someone's kid, or go to a movie, or read a really good book, go sailing, take a walk, hug someone you love etc. Jan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- In a message dated 8/11/01 11:04:39 PM Central Daylight Time, Dallas_Dallas@... writes: << Hi (COOl Guy): Duaine M here: How you do go on… An on….An on… You are obviously smarter than I am. I could never go on the way you just did. I am glad I'm me and your you. I glad I'm not as smart as you are. Well may be I'd like to be smarter than I am. If I were smarter I think I would use my brain to focus on things other than (Shit). When I got sober I found a world out there. A world of wonder. I found motor cycles. I found Kites. I found food. I found life and love. Am I missing some thing here??? This list??? I haven't heard any one who has found joy. Or did I come in late??? >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 > Hi Rita: > Duaine M here: > You don't get it. You just don't get it. I don't think you ever will your mind is closed. This one really caught my attention. You guys know that I was doing a paper about AA and powerlessness. Well, I almost have that sucker kicked out, but not quite yet. But, there was a person at the AA meeting that kept saying, " I just couldn't *get it*. I'd go along and try to do it my way, but I just didn't *get it*. " On and on until he " got it " of course and has 16 years of sobriety. He understood that he was powerless, and with that understanding came his ability to turn it over and stop drinking. Amen. It does sound really similar. However, I will still hold judgement until I go to a face to face meeting and see what I see. Duaine, FWIW, it is easy to get polarized in this format. I know and have seen it happen again and again. It might me helpful to realize that Rita *isn't an alcoholic* and shouldn't be coerced into *any* meeting of any sort, which IMO makes any meeting, or adoption of ideas of abstinence, repugnant. Putting it mildly. And, while my mind is still *a little bit* open (at least for voluntary meetings), the last two days are seeing a bit of a change. AA told me to keep and " open mind " too--which they filled with their filth. So that isn't really what we should keep. We should keep a *critical mind*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 > Hi Rita: > Duaine M here: > You don't get it. You just don't get it. I don't think you ever will your mind is closed. This one really caught my attention. You guys know that I was doing a paper about AA and powerlessness. Well, I almost have that sucker kicked out, but not quite yet. But, there was a person at the AA meeting that kept saying, " I just couldn't *get it*. I'd go along and try to do it my way, but I just didn't *get it*. " On and on until he " got it " of course and has 16 years of sobriety. He understood that he was powerless, and with that understanding came his ability to turn it over and stop drinking. Amen. It does sound really similar. However, I will still hold judgement until I go to a face to face meeting and see what I see. Duaine, FWIW, it is easy to get polarized in this format. I know and have seen it happen again and again. It might me helpful to realize that Rita *isn't an alcoholic* and shouldn't be coerced into *any* meeting of any sort, which IMO makes any meeting, or adoption of ideas of abstinence, repugnant. Putting it mildly. And, while my mind is still *a little bit* open (at least for voluntary meetings), the last two days are seeing a bit of a change. AA told me to keep and " open mind " too--which they filled with their filth. So that isn't really what we should keep. We should keep a *critical mind*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 > Hi Rita: > Duaine M here: > You don't get it. You just don't get it. I don't think you ever will your mind is closed. This one really caught my attention. You guys know that I was doing a paper about AA and powerlessness. Well, I almost have that sucker kicked out, but not quite yet. But, there was a person at the AA meeting that kept saying, " I just couldn't *get it*. I'd go along and try to do it my way, but I just didn't *get it*. " On and on until he " got it " of course and has 16 years of sobriety. He understood that he was powerless, and with that understanding came his ability to turn it over and stop drinking. Amen. It does sound really similar. However, I will still hold judgement until I go to a face to face meeting and see what I see. Duaine, FWIW, it is easy to get polarized in this format. I know and have seen it happen again and again. It might me helpful to realize that Rita *isn't an alcoholic* and shouldn't be coerced into *any* meeting of any sort, which IMO makes any meeting, or adoption of ideas of abstinence, repugnant. Putting it mildly. And, while my mind is still *a little bit* open (at least for voluntary meetings), the last two days are seeing a bit of a change. AA told me to keep and " open mind " too--which they filled with their filth. So that isn't really what we should keep. We should keep a *critical mind*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 > Hi (COOl Guy): > Duaine M here: > How you do go on… An on….An on… > You are obviously smarter than I am. I could never go on the way you just did. I am glad I'm me and your you. I glad I'm not as smart as you are. Well may be I'd like to be smarter than I am. If I were smarter I think I would use my brain to focus on things other than (Shit). > When I got sober I found a world out there. A world of wonder. I found motor cycles. I found Kites. I found food. I found life and love. > Am I missing some thing here??? This list??? I haven't heard any one who has found joy. Or did I come in late??? I am not sure if you are being sarcastic and mean or flattering or what, but I will take it as a compliment. Thank you for the compliments. I was trying to answer your question as best I could. Of course I have a life other than this list, and for the most part it brings me a lot of joy. There is a lot of BS that I can't do anything about... but the things in my life I can do anything about to make my life better I am doing. That includes looking at my life, my thoughts, my actions and the people and things around me honestly. What is sober? I don't consider myself sober... nor do I consider myself a dry drunk. I am just a human, who drank like an idiot at times. I don't do that any more. Since I realized I was drinking like an idiot far more than I wanted to be, and started making changes, I have been growing and learning and becoming happier everyday. I used to think my childhood was the best part of my life and I had nothing to look forward to... but I found out how wrong that I was... that childhood was OK, most of the time it was pretty enjoyable, but adulthood is also very enjoyable. I am glad for the changes that have made my life better. I am glad you found these things you say you've found, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 > Hi (COOl Guy): > Duaine M here: > How you do go on… An on….An on… > You are obviously smarter than I am. I could never go on the way you just did. I am glad I'm me and your you. I glad I'm not as smart as you are. Well may be I'd like to be smarter than I am. If I were smarter I think I would use my brain to focus on things other than (Shit). > When I got sober I found a world out there. A world of wonder. I found motor cycles. I found Kites. I found food. I found life and love. > Am I missing some thing here??? This list??? I haven't heard any one who has found joy. Or did I come in late??? I am not sure if you are being sarcastic and mean or flattering or what, but I will take it as a compliment. Thank you for the compliments. I was trying to answer your question as best I could. Of course I have a life other than this list, and for the most part it brings me a lot of joy. There is a lot of BS that I can't do anything about... but the things in my life I can do anything about to make my life better I am doing. That includes looking at my life, my thoughts, my actions and the people and things around me honestly. What is sober? I don't consider myself sober... nor do I consider myself a dry drunk. I am just a human, who drank like an idiot at times. I don't do that any more. Since I realized I was drinking like an idiot far more than I wanted to be, and started making changes, I have been growing and learning and becoming happier everyday. I used to think my childhood was the best part of my life and I had nothing to look forward to... but I found out how wrong that I was... that childhood was OK, most of the time it was pretty enjoyable, but adulthood is also very enjoyable. I am glad for the changes that have made my life better. I am glad you found these things you say you've found, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 > Hi (COOl Guy): > Duaine M here: > How you do go on… An on….An on… > You are obviously smarter than I am. I could never go on the way you just did. I am glad I'm me and your you. I glad I'm not as smart as you are. Well may be I'd like to be smarter than I am. If I were smarter I think I would use my brain to focus on things other than (Shit). > When I got sober I found a world out there. A world of wonder. I found motor cycles. I found Kites. I found food. I found life and love. > Am I missing some thing here??? This list??? I haven't heard any one who has found joy. Or did I come in late??? I am not sure if you are being sarcastic and mean or flattering or what, but I will take it as a compliment. Thank you for the compliments. I was trying to answer your question as best I could. Of course I have a life other than this list, and for the most part it brings me a lot of joy. There is a lot of BS that I can't do anything about... but the things in my life I can do anything about to make my life better I am doing. That includes looking at my life, my thoughts, my actions and the people and things around me honestly. What is sober? I don't consider myself sober... nor do I consider myself a dry drunk. I am just a human, who drank like an idiot at times. I don't do that any more. Since I realized I was drinking like an idiot far more than I wanted to be, and started making changes, I have been growing and learning and becoming happier everyday. I used to think my childhood was the best part of my life and I had nothing to look forward to... but I found out how wrong that I was... that childhood was OK, most of the time it was pretty enjoyable, but adulthood is also very enjoyable. I am glad for the changes that have made my life better. I am glad you found these things you say you've found, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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