Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 I know I have not posted for a very long time but I have kept up with everything going on. I know that what I am about to say is going to cause quite a few peope to be angry with me but I have a right to my opinion also. First I think the idea Mike had to have stay on the list and Jeff get off the list is disgusting, Jeff has as much right to be here as anyone else has. Many of us who have been on the list for a long time or like myself where on a few years ago and rejoined again last year remember when Jeff was a regular on the list sharing what it was like for him to be going through school with EDS. You may or maynot agree with what Jeff said to but you have to see that it was coming from a good place. I do not believe that he was attacking or other mothers on the list. You say he has no idea what it's like to bea parent watching your child go through this, well that is true and unfortunately either do I. I do know what it's like to go through school with something wrong with you ( I was not diagnosed but I still had all the problems). I believe that Jeff was just trying to point out that there is more then one side of the story, the side of the child who is actually going through this. In Jeff's second letter I don't think people should have been looking for an appology. He was trying to explain why he said what he did and where it was coming from and I think he did a good job. The point of the list is for people to be able to express there opinions as well as get support. Nobody seems to mind bashing Jeff or disagreeing with him, so why should he not be allowed to disagree himself and state his opinion. I do hope that does not leave the list I agree that she has given some great advice, I also hope Jeff doesn't leave he too has valuable advice. Please try not to be angry and go after people for having different opinions, hearing different opinions is how we learn all different sides of one issue. I'm sorry that you felt attacked, I truly believe you are doing what you believe to be best for your children and that is very important. That is really what a parents job is, you have to in the end do what you feel is best. I hope you decide to stay and that you and Jeff can e-mail privately and work your problems out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 I know I have not posted for a very long time but I have kept up with everything going on. I know that what I am about to say is going to cause quite a few peope to be angry with me but I have a right to my opinion also. First I think the idea Mike had to have stay on the list and Jeff get off the list is disgusting, Jeff has as much right to be here as anyone else has. Many of us who have been on the list for a long time or like myself where on a few years ago and rejoined again last year remember when Jeff was a regular on the list sharing what it was like for him to be going through school with EDS. You may or maynot agree with what Jeff said to but you have to see that it was coming from a good place. I do not believe that he was attacking or other mothers on the list. You say he has no idea what it's like to bea parent watching your child go through this, well that is true and unfortunately either do I. I do know what it's like to go through school with something wrong with you ( I was not diagnosed but I still had all the problems). I believe that Jeff was just trying to point out that there is more then one side of the story, the side of the child who is actually going through this. In Jeff's second letter I don't think people should have been looking for an appology. He was trying to explain why he said what he did and where it was coming from and I think he did a good job. The point of the list is for people to be able to express there opinions as well as get support. Nobody seems to mind bashing Jeff or disagreeing with him, so why should he not be allowed to disagree himself and state his opinion. I do hope that does not leave the list I agree that she has given some great advice, I also hope Jeff doesn't leave he too has valuable advice. Please try not to be angry and go after people for having different opinions, hearing different opinions is how we learn all different sides of one issue. I'm sorry that you felt attacked, I truly believe you are doing what you believe to be best for your children and that is very important. That is really what a parents job is, you have to in the end do what you feel is best. I hope you decide to stay and that you and Jeff can e-mail privately and work your problems out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 I think the idea Mike had to have stay on the list and Jeff get off the list is disgusting, Jeff has as much right to be here as anyone else has. If my post offended anyone on the list, I apologize. I could not agree with you more that Jeff has as much right to be on the list as anyone else has. I also agree that he made some very valid points in his post, and said so in mine. My objection then, and still is, is the manner in which it was done. Everyone has a right to be on the list and to express their views. But NO ONE has the right to do it in the form of a personal attack on anyone else on the list. I have already by off-list email expressed my apologies to Jill for being less tactful than I could and should have been. I reacted the way I did because I knew that Jeff's post was hurtful to not only but to a few other mothers on the list as well. I also told Jill in that email that if my post ended up being part of the problem instead of part of the solution, I would withdraw from the list myself. And if that is a consensus opinion, I would/will do so. If I stepped on your toes, Jeff's toes, or anyone else's, again, I apologize. But I will NOT apologize for taking a stand that this list is for mutual assistance and support, and no place for personal attacks on or by anyone on this list. There has been far too much energy already expended by far too many people on the list on this topic. It is time to drop the subject and move on. As far as I am personally concerned, I agree with the family analogy raised by several - there has been a spat - let's put it behind us and go on to more productive activities. And this is the last post I intend to make on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 I think the idea Mike had to have stay on the list and Jeff get off the list is disgusting, Jeff has as much right to be here as anyone else has. If my post offended anyone on the list, I apologize. I could not agree with you more that Jeff has as much right to be on the list as anyone else has. I also agree that he made some very valid points in his post, and said so in mine. My objection then, and still is, is the manner in which it was done. Everyone has a right to be on the list and to express their views. But NO ONE has the right to do it in the form of a personal attack on anyone else on the list. I have already by off-list email expressed my apologies to Jill for being less tactful than I could and should have been. I reacted the way I did because I knew that Jeff's post was hurtful to not only but to a few other mothers on the list as well. I also told Jill in that email that if my post ended up being part of the problem instead of part of the solution, I would withdraw from the list myself. And if that is a consensus opinion, I would/will do so. If I stepped on your toes, Jeff's toes, or anyone else's, again, I apologize. But I will NOT apologize for taking a stand that this list is for mutual assistance and support, and no place for personal attacks on or by anyone on this list. There has been far too much energy already expended by far too many people on the list on this topic. It is time to drop the subject and move on. As far as I am personally concerned, I agree with the family analogy raised by several - there has been a spat - let's put it behind us and go on to more productive activities. And this is the last post I intend to make on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 I think the idea Mike had to have stay on the list and Jeff get off the list is disgusting, Jeff has as much right to be here as anyone else has. If my post offended anyone on the list, I apologize. I could not agree with you more that Jeff has as much right to be on the list as anyone else has. I also agree that he made some very valid points in his post, and said so in mine. My objection then, and still is, is the manner in which it was done. Everyone has a right to be on the list and to express their views. But NO ONE has the right to do it in the form of a personal attack on anyone else on the list. I have already by off-list email expressed my apologies to Jill for being less tactful than I could and should have been. I reacted the way I did because I knew that Jeff's post was hurtful to not only but to a few other mothers on the list as well. I also told Jill in that email that if my post ended up being part of the problem instead of part of the solution, I would withdraw from the list myself. And if that is a consensus opinion, I would/will do so. If I stepped on your toes, Jeff's toes, or anyone else's, again, I apologize. But I will NOT apologize for taking a stand that this list is for mutual assistance and support, and no place for personal attacks on or by anyone on this list. There has been far too much energy already expended by far too many people on the list on this topic. It is time to drop the subject and move on. As far as I am personally concerned, I agree with the family analogy raised by several - there has been a spat - let's put it behind us and go on to more productive activities. And this is the last post I intend to make on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Mike, Please do not leave, your opinion was right on. You are an extremely valued member of this group. Stay please! S. Re: Jeff/ I think the idea Mike had to have stay on the list and Jeff get off the list is disgusting, Jeff has as much right to be here as anyone else has. If my post offended anyone on the list, I apologize. I could not agree with you more that Jeff has as much right to be on the list as anyone else has. I also agree that he made some very valid points in his post, and said so in mine. My objection then, and still is, is the manner in which it was done. Everyone has a right to be on the list and to express their views. But NO ONE has the right to do it in the form of a personal attack on anyone else on the list. I have already by off-list email expressed my apologies to Jill for being less tactful than I could and should have been. I reacted the way I did because I knew that Jeff's post was hurtful to not only but to a few other mothers on the list as well. I also told Jill in that email that if my post ended up being part of the problem instead of part of the solution, I would withdraw from the list myself. And if that is a consensus opinion, I would/will do so. If I stepped on your toes, Jeff's toes, or anyone else's, again, I apologize. But I will NOT apologize for taking a stand that this list is for mutual assistance and support, and no place for personal attacks on or by anyone on this list. There has been far too much energy already expended by far too many people on the list on this topic. It is time to drop the subject and move on. As far as I am personally concerned, I agree with the family analogy raised by several - there has been a spat - let's put it behind us and go on to more productive activities. And this is the last post I intend to make on the subject. To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ceda.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Mike I agree...life is too short for all this disagreement. lets just try & support and be there for each other. Betty Re: Jeff/ > > I think the idea Mike had to have stay on the list and Jeff > get off the list is disgusting, Jeff has as much right to be here as > anyone else has. > > > > If my post offended anyone on the list, I apologize. > > I could not agree with you more that Jeff has as much right to be on > the list as anyone else has. I also agree that he made some very > valid points in his post, and said so in mine. > > My objection then, and still is, is the manner in which it was done. > > Everyone has a right to be on the list and to express their views. > But NO ONE has the right to do it in the form of a personal attack > on anyone else on the list. > > I have already by off-list email expressed my apologies to Jill for > being less tactful than I could and should have been. I reacted the > way I did because I knew that Jeff's post was hurtful to not only > but to a few other mothers on the list as well. I also told > Jill in that email that if my post ended up being part of the > problem instead of part of the solution, I would withdraw from the > list myself. And if that is a consensus opinion, I would/will do so. > > If I stepped on your toes, Jeff's toes, or anyone else's, again, I > apologize. But I will NOT apologize for taking a stand that this > list is for mutual assistance and support, and no place for personal > attacks on or by anyone on this list. > > There has been far too much energy already expended by far too many > people on the list on this topic. It is time to drop the subject and > move on. As far as I am personally concerned, I agree with the > family analogy raised by several - there has been a spat - let's put > it behind us and go on to more productive activities. > > And this is the last post I intend to make on the subject. > > > > > > To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ceda.ca > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Mike I agree...life is too short for all this disagreement. lets just try & support and be there for each other. Betty Re: Jeff/ > > I think the idea Mike had to have stay on the list and Jeff > get off the list is disgusting, Jeff has as much right to be here as > anyone else has. > > > > If my post offended anyone on the list, I apologize. > > I could not agree with you more that Jeff has as much right to be on > the list as anyone else has. I also agree that he made some very > valid points in his post, and said so in mine. > > My objection then, and still is, is the manner in which it was done. > > Everyone has a right to be on the list and to express their views. > But NO ONE has the right to do it in the form of a personal attack > on anyone else on the list. > > I have already by off-list email expressed my apologies to Jill for > being less tactful than I could and should have been. I reacted the > way I did because I knew that Jeff's post was hurtful to not only > but to a few other mothers on the list as well. I also told > Jill in that email that if my post ended up being part of the > problem instead of part of the solution, I would withdraw from the > list myself. And if that is a consensus opinion, I would/will do so. > > If I stepped on your toes, Jeff's toes, or anyone else's, again, I > apologize. But I will NOT apologize for taking a stand that this > list is for mutual assistance and support, and no place for personal > attacks on or by anyone on this list. > > There has been far too much energy already expended by far too many > people on the list on this topic. It is time to drop the subject and > move on. As far as I am personally concerned, I agree with the > family analogy raised by several - there has been a spat - let's put > it behind us and go on to more productive activities. > > And this is the last post I intend to make on the subject. > > > > > > To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ceda.ca > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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