you're all on the wrong track

[Guest guest]

,

I gotta tell you, I give you credit for being " brutally honest " but I can't

say I agree with you. We're all different. While it's good for everyone to

share what works for them, what's good for one person isn't good for another.

I can tell you that I don't feel " responsible " for my capillary damage. And

for me, rosacea came out of nowhere. It wasn't steroid induced or due to any

type of sun damage, I don't know where it came from. I never had problems

with my skin - and I always just used basic soap and water to cleanse.

Although I didn't neglect my skin, I really never payed much special

attention to it either and then one day out of the blue, I started getting

these " bumps " (pimples) and I was pink all through my cheeks and nose - that

color came and went for a couple of weeks and then it just stayed....and now

here I am. You say that it's the use of long term topicals that cause

rosacea, I can tell you that for me, there's no way that's true because I

never used anything prior to my rosacea. And while photoderm may not be

" natural " , it's not natural either to walk around all day in pain with a

burning red face. I'm lucky, my rosacea isn't that bad but I've already

scheduled my first photoderm treatment because I don't want it to ever

progress to the point of it being disabilitating like it is for so many of

the poor people in this group. I can tell you that minocycline and noritate

have controlled my rosacea pretty well - no, I don't like the idea of being

on antibiotics long term and, do I think it's " healthy " or " natural " ?

Absolutely not. But I do think it's realistic. It's controlling something

that is labeled as " a progressive disease without proper medical treatment " .

I think it's great if you can control this naturally(I haven't read

specifically what you've done to control yours but it sounds like you took

the natural approach). But not everyone can. And while I think you're right

- there are alot of derm's who are just out for $$ and don't have a clue, I

also think there are a lot who know TONS about rosacea (like Dr. Nase) and

really are out to help us.

I hope you have continued good luck,

-Donna

[Guest guest]

,

I gotta tell you, I give you credit for being " brutally honest " but I can't

say I agree with you. We're all different. While it's good for everyone to

share what works for them, what's good for one person isn't good for another.

I can tell you that I don't feel " responsible " for my capillary damage. And

for me, rosacea came out of nowhere. It wasn't steroid induced or due to any

type of sun damage, I don't know where it came from. I never had problems

with my skin - and I always just used basic soap and water to cleanse.

Although I didn't neglect my skin, I really never payed much special

attention to it either and then one day out of the blue, I started getting

these " bumps " (pimples) and I was pink all through my cheeks and nose - that

color came and went for a couple of weeks and then it just stayed....and now

here I am. You say that it's the use of long term topicals that cause

rosacea, I can tell you that for me, there's no way that's true because I

never used anything prior to my rosacea. And while photoderm may not be

" natural " , it's not natural either to walk around all day in pain with a

burning red face. I'm lucky, my rosacea isn't that bad but I've already

scheduled my first photoderm treatment because I don't want it to ever

progress to the point of it being disabilitating like it is for so many of

the poor people in this group. I can tell you that minocycline and noritate

have controlled my rosacea pretty well - no, I don't like the idea of being

on antibiotics long term and, do I think it's " healthy " or " natural " ?

Absolutely not. But I do think it's realistic. It's controlling something

that is labeled as " a progressive disease without proper medical treatment " .

I think it's great if you can control this naturally(I haven't read

specifically what you've done to control yours but it sounds like you took

the natural approach). But not everyone can. And while I think you're right

- there are alot of derm's who are just out for $$ and don't have a clue, I

also think there are a lot who know TONS about rosacea (like Dr. Nase) and

really are out to help us.

I hope you have continued good luck,

-Donna

[Guest guest]

,

I gotta tell you, I give you credit for being " brutally honest " but I can't

say I agree with you. We're all different. While it's good for everyone to

share what works for them, what's good for one person isn't good for another.

I can tell you that I don't feel " responsible " for my capillary damage. And

for me, rosacea came out of nowhere. It wasn't steroid induced or due to any

type of sun damage, I don't know where it came from. I never had problems

with my skin - and I always just used basic soap and water to cleanse.

Although I didn't neglect my skin, I really never payed much special

attention to it either and then one day out of the blue, I started getting

these " bumps " (pimples) and I was pink all through my cheeks and nose - that

color came and went for a couple of weeks and then it just stayed....and now

here I am. You say that it's the use of long term topicals that cause

rosacea, I can tell you that for me, there's no way that's true because I

never used anything prior to my rosacea. And while photoderm may not be

" natural " , it's not natural either to walk around all day in pain with a

burning red face. I'm lucky, my rosacea isn't that bad but I've already

scheduled my first photoderm treatment because I don't want it to ever

progress to the point of it being disabilitating like it is for so many of

the poor people in this group. I can tell you that minocycline and noritate

have controlled my rosacea pretty well - no, I don't like the idea of being

on antibiotics long term and, do I think it's " healthy " or " natural " ?

Absolutely not. But I do think it's realistic. It's controlling something

that is labeled as " a progressive disease without proper medical treatment " .

I think it's great if you can control this naturally(I haven't read

specifically what you've done to control yours but it sounds like you took

the natural approach). But not everyone can. And while I think you're right

- there are alot of derm's who are just out for $$ and don't have a clue, I

also think there are a lot who know TONS about rosacea (like Dr. Nase) and

really are out to help us.

I hope you have continued good luck,

-Donna

[Guest guest]

Anything you buy over the counter or you're derm prescribe is doing you more

harm then good. Even if it looks like its working its doing other damage.

stop using it now.... today.

You're derm knows shit. He knows how to charge you for a visit and prescribe

products that are irritating you're face further.

Ive been there, and lived through it, and trust me, you can fix your skin if

you just understand that the skin isnt supposed to be blocked up with all

this topical stuff. What did they do 1000 years ago when they didnt have Oil

of Olays Foaming face wash?

I gave myself seb derm by using all this stuff. trust me, its not worth it.

Follow my previous regime that i posted and you will be surprised.

It took me 5 years to realise all this, so im just helping you guys.

They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

well i know, its simple....

its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin. Who knows

what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all that crap can do

longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who has developed skin

disease because of it.

By the way, anyone doing photoderm is wasting their money. Its just another

treatment to suck money out of your pocket. I cured my capillary damage

naturally and it cost me 2 dollars. Im sorry to upset anyone but im being

brutally honest. You wouldnt have capillary damage if you looked after your

skin in the first place. Using all this shit on your face causes capillary

damage, it caused mine. But dont worry, you can reverse the damage, ive done

it, and if i can anyone can. Im not saying photoderm doesnt work, but what

the hell is it doing to your skin in the process? its not natural.

Sorry for coming across as arrogant but im allowed to be because ive been

through what your going through. Listen to me, and i promise you that things

can improve ten fold.

thanks guys.

stephen

stephenaloe@...

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Some of us never used a lot of topicals on our skin like you did.

That may be what caused your problems but that doesn't explain it for

the rest of us. Even though I did have a few complexion problems

from time to time over the years, I've always used gentle cleansers,

and rarely ever any topicals until the cea symptoms developed

much later in life. That's when I was prescribed the Metrogel.

There are lots of people using topicals for complexion problems with

good results. I'm not just referring to people in this group. If

the topicals are so bad, why isn't everyone having the same problem

as you?

Is Andy back again?

>

> Anything you buy over the counter or you're derm prescribe is doing

you more harm then good. Even if it looks like its working its doing

other damage.

> stop using it now.... today.

>

> You're derm knows shit. He knows how to charge you for a visit and

prescribe products that are irritating you're face further.

>

> Ive been there, and lived through it, and trust me, you can fix

your skin if you just understand that the skin isnt supposed to be

blocked up with all this topical stuff. What did they do 1000 years

ago when they didnt have Oil of Olays Foaming face wash?

>

> I gave myself seb derm by using all this stuff. trust me, its not

worth it. Follow my previous regime that i posted and you will be

surprised. It took me 5 years to realise all this, so im just helping

you guys.

>

> They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

> well i know, its simple....

>

> its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin.

Who knows what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all

that crap can do longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who

has developed skin disease because of it.

>

> By the way, anyone doing photoderm is wasting their money. Its just

another treatment to suck money out of your pocket. I cured my

capillary damage naturally and it cost me 2 dollars. Im sorry to

upset anyone but im being brutally honest. You wouldnt have capillary

damage if you looked after your skin in the first place. Using all

this shit on your face causes capillary damage, it caused mine. But

dont worry, you can reverse the damage, ive done it, and if i can

anyone can. Im not saying photoderm doesnt work, but what the hell is

it doing to your skin in the process? its not natural.

>

> Sorry for coming across as arrogant but im allowed to be because

ive been through what your going through. Listen to me, and i promise

you that things can improve ten fold.

>

> thanks guys.

>

> stephen

>

> stephenaloe@h...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Some of us never used a lot of topicals on our skin like you did.

That may be what caused your problems but that doesn't explain it for

the rest of us. Even though I did have a few complexion problems

from time to time over the years, I've always used gentle cleansers,

and rarely ever any topicals until the cea symptoms developed

much later in life. That's when I was prescribed the Metrogel.

There are lots of people using topicals for complexion problems with

good results. I'm not just referring to people in this group. If

the topicals are so bad, why isn't everyone having the same problem

as you?

Is Andy back again?

>

> Anything you buy over the counter or you're derm prescribe is doing

you more harm then good. Even if it looks like its working its doing

other damage.

> stop using it now.... today.

>

> You're derm knows shit. He knows how to charge you for a visit and

prescribe products that are irritating you're face further.

>

> Ive been there, and lived through it, and trust me, you can fix

your skin if you just understand that the skin isnt supposed to be

blocked up with all this topical stuff. What did they do 1000 years

ago when they didnt have Oil of Olays Foaming face wash?

>

> I gave myself seb derm by using all this stuff. trust me, its not

worth it. Follow my previous regime that i posted and you will be

surprised. It took me 5 years to realise all this, so im just helping

you guys.

>

> They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

> well i know, its simple....

>

> its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin.

Who knows what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all

that crap can do longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who

has developed skin disease because of it.

>

> By the way, anyone doing photoderm is wasting their money. Its just

another treatment to suck money out of your pocket. I cured my

capillary damage naturally and it cost me 2 dollars. Im sorry to

upset anyone but im being brutally honest. You wouldnt have capillary

damage if you looked after your skin in the first place. Using all

this shit on your face causes capillary damage, it caused mine. But

dont worry, you can reverse the damage, ive done it, and if i can

anyone can. Im not saying photoderm doesnt work, but what the hell is

it doing to your skin in the process? its not natural.

>

> Sorry for coming across as arrogant but im allowed to be because

ive been through what your going through. Listen to me, and i promise

you that things can improve ten fold.

>

> thanks guys.

>

> stephen

>

> stephenaloe@h...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Some of us never used a lot of topicals on our skin like you did.

That may be what caused your problems but that doesn't explain it for

the rest of us. Even though I did have a few complexion problems

from time to time over the years, I've always used gentle cleansers,

and rarely ever any topicals until the cea symptoms developed

much later in life. That's when I was prescribed the Metrogel.

There are lots of people using topicals for complexion problems with

good results. I'm not just referring to people in this group. If

the topicals are so bad, why isn't everyone having the same problem

as you?

Is Andy back again?

>

> Anything you buy over the counter or you're derm prescribe is doing

you more harm then good. Even if it looks like its working its doing

other damage.

> stop using it now.... today.

>

> You're derm knows shit. He knows how to charge you for a visit and

prescribe products that are irritating you're face further.

>

> Ive been there, and lived through it, and trust me, you can fix

your skin if you just understand that the skin isnt supposed to be

blocked up with all this topical stuff. What did they do 1000 years

ago when they didnt have Oil of Olays Foaming face wash?

>

> I gave myself seb derm by using all this stuff. trust me, its not

worth it. Follow my previous regime that i posted and you will be

surprised. It took me 5 years to realise all this, so im just helping

you guys.

>

> They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

> well i know, its simple....

>

> its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin.

Who knows what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all

that crap can do longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who

has developed skin disease because of it.

>

> By the way, anyone doing photoderm is wasting their money. Its just

another treatment to suck money out of your pocket. I cured my

capillary damage naturally and it cost me 2 dollars. Im sorry to

upset anyone but im being brutally honest. You wouldnt have capillary

damage if you looked after your skin in the first place. Using all

this shit on your face causes capillary damage, it caused mine. But

dont worry, you can reverse the damage, ive done it, and if i can

anyone can. Im not saying photoderm doesnt work, but what the hell is

it doing to your skin in the process? its not natural.

>

> Sorry for coming across as arrogant but im allowed to be because

ive been through what your going through. Listen to me, and i promise

you that things can improve ten fold.

>

> thanks guys.

>

> stephen

>

> stephenaloe@h...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Please tell us what you did to cure your capillary damage.

>

> Anything you buy over the counter or you're derm prescribe is doing

you more

> harm then good. Even if it looks like its working its doing other

damage.

> stop using it now.... today.

>

> You're derm knows shit. He knows how to charge you for a visit and

prescribe

> products that are irritating you're face further.

>

> Ive been there, and lived through it, and trust me, you can fix

your skin if

> you just understand that the skin isnt supposed to be blocked up

with all

> this topical stuff. What did they do 1000 years ago when they didnt

have Oil

> of Olays Foaming face wash?

>

> I gave myself seb derm by using all this stuff. trust me, its not

worth it.

> Follow my previous regime that i posted and you will be surprised.

>

> It took me 5 years to realise all this, so im just helping you guys.

>

> They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

> well i know, its simple....

>

> its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin.

Who knows

> what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all that

crap can do

> longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who has developed

skin

> disease because of it.

>

> By the way, anyone doing photoderm is wasting their money. Its just

another

> treatment to suck money out of your pocket. I cured my capillary

damage

> naturally and it cost me 2 dollars. Im sorry to upset anyone but im

being

> brutally honest. You wouldnt have capillary damage if you looked

after your

> skin in the first place. Using all this shit on your face causes

capillary

> damage, it caused mine. But dont worry, you can reverse the damage,

ive done

> it, and if i can anyone can. Im not saying photoderm doesnt work,

but what

> the hell is it doing to your skin in the process? its not natural.

>

> Sorry for coming across as arrogant but im allowed to be because

ive been

> through what your going through. Listen to me, and i promise you

that things

> can improve ten fold.

>

> thanks guys.

>

> stephen

>

> stephenaloe@h...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Please tell us what you did to cure your capillary damage.

>

> Anything you buy over the counter or you're derm prescribe is doing

you more

> harm then good. Even if it looks like its working its doing other

damage.

> stop using it now.... today.

>

> You're derm knows shit. He knows how to charge you for a visit and

prescribe

> products that are irritating you're face further.

>

> Ive been there, and lived through it, and trust me, you can fix

your skin if

> you just understand that the skin isnt supposed to be blocked up

with all

> this topical stuff. What did they do 1000 years ago when they didnt

have Oil

> of Olays Foaming face wash?

>

> I gave myself seb derm by using all this stuff. trust me, its not

worth it.

> Follow my previous regime that i posted and you will be surprised.

>

> It took me 5 years to realise all this, so im just helping you guys.

>

> They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

> well i know, its simple....

>

> its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin.

Who knows

> what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all that

crap can do

> longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who has developed

skin

> disease because of it.

>

> By the way, anyone doing photoderm is wasting their money. Its just

another

> treatment to suck money out of your pocket. I cured my capillary

damage

> naturally and it cost me 2 dollars. Im sorry to upset anyone but im

being

> brutally honest. You wouldnt have capillary damage if you looked

after your

> skin in the first place. Using all this shit on your face causes

capillary

> damage, it caused mine. But dont worry, you can reverse the damage,

ive done

> it, and if i can anyone can. Im not saying photoderm doesnt work,

but what

> the hell is it doing to your skin in the process? its not natural.

>

> Sorry for coming across as arrogant but im allowed to be because

ive been

> through what your going through. Listen to me, and i promise you

that things

> can improve ten fold.

>

> thanks guys.

>

> stephen

>

> stephenaloe@h...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Please tell us what you did to cure your capillary damage.

>

> Anything you buy over the counter or you're derm prescribe is doing

you more

> harm then good. Even if it looks like its working its doing other

damage.

> stop using it now.... today.

>

> You're derm knows shit. He knows how to charge you for a visit and

prescribe

> products that are irritating you're face further.

>

> Ive been there, and lived through it, and trust me, you can fix

your skin if

> you just understand that the skin isnt supposed to be blocked up

with all

> this topical stuff. What did they do 1000 years ago when they didnt

have Oil

> of Olays Foaming face wash?

>

> I gave myself seb derm by using all this stuff. trust me, its not

worth it.

> Follow my previous regime that i posted and you will be surprised.

>

> It took me 5 years to realise all this, so im just helping you guys.

>

> They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

> well i know, its simple....

>

> its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin.

Who knows

> what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all that

crap can do

> longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who has developed

skin

> disease because of it.

>

> By the way, anyone doing photoderm is wasting their money. Its just

another

> treatment to suck money out of your pocket. I cured my capillary

damage

> naturally and it cost me 2 dollars. Im sorry to upset anyone but im

being

> brutally honest. You wouldnt have capillary damage if you looked

after your

> skin in the first place. Using all this shit on your face causes

capillary

> damage, it caused mine. But dont worry, you can reverse the damage,

ive done

> it, and if i can anyone can. Im not saying photoderm doesnt work,

but what

> the hell is it doing to your skin in the process? its not natural.

>

> Sorry for coming across as arrogant but im allowed to be because

ive been

> through what your going through. Listen to me, and i promise you

that things

> can improve ten fold.

>

> thanks guys.

>

> stephen

>

> stephenaloe@h...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks donna,

sorry to hear you are having trouble with your skin, its really depressing

isnt it. And i understand everything you said but i do believe that we are

all different yes but as a universal principle something is causing this

skin problem. It doesnt just appear from nowhere for no reason, your body is

trying to tell you something. I know you say you havent used anything much

but do you wear makeup? you said you washed with soap? soap can be really

bad too, as i found out.

I know what your saying but i think we have to stop and listen to what our

body is trying to tell us. people seem to just ignore what its trying to say

and use topicals and medications to mask the symptoms.

I know its hard. its painful, and sometimes you dont know what to do, but im

trying to make people think about what theyre doing.

I wish you the best and would love you to try my routine if you could, maybe

before photoderm?, hopefully you could achieve what i have....

good luck

steve

>From: DonnaW919@...

>To: stephenaloe@..., rosacea-support

>Subject: Re: you're all on the wrong track

>Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:43:23 EDT

>

>,

>

>I gotta tell you, I give you credit for being " brutally honest " but I can't

>say I agree with you. We're all different. While it's good for everyone

>to

>share what works for them, what's good for one person isn't good for

>another.

>

>I can tell you that I don't feel " responsible " for my capillary damage.

>And

>for me, rosacea came out of nowhere. It wasn't steroid induced or due to

>any

>type of sun damage, I don't know where it came from. I never had problems

>with my skin - and I always just used basic soap and water to cleanse.

>Although I didn't neglect my skin, I really never payed much special

>attention to it either and then one day out of the blue, I started getting

>these " bumps " (pimples) and I was pink all through my cheeks and nose -

>that

>color came and went for a couple of weeks and then it just stayed....and

>now

>here I am. You say that it's the use of long term topicals that cause

>rosacea, I can tell you that for me, there's no way that's true because I

>never used anything prior to my rosacea. And while photoderm may not be

> " natural " , it's not natural either to walk around all day in pain with a

>burning red face. I'm lucky, my rosacea isn't that bad but I've already

>scheduled my first photoderm treatment because I don't want it to ever

>progress to the point of it being disabilitating like it is for so many of

>the poor people in this group. I can tell you that minocycline and

>noritate

>have controlled my rosacea pretty well - no, I don't like the idea of being

>on antibiotics long term and, do I think it's " healthy " or " natural " ?

>Absolutely not. But I do think it's realistic. It's controlling something

>that is labeled as " a progressive disease without proper medical

>treatment " .

>I think it's great if you can control this naturally(I haven't read

>specifically what you've done to control yours but it sounds like you took

>the natural approach). But not everyone can. And while I think you're

>right

>- there are alot of derm's who are just out for $$ and don't have a clue, I

>also think there are a lot who know TONS about rosacea (like Dr. Nase) and

>really are out to help us.

>

>I hope you have continued good luck,

>-Donna

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[Guest guest]

Thanks donna,

sorry to hear you are having trouble with your skin, its really depressing

isnt it. And i understand everything you said but i do believe that we are

all different yes but as a universal principle something is causing this

skin problem. It doesnt just appear from nowhere for no reason, your body is

trying to tell you something. I know you say you havent used anything much

but do you wear makeup? you said you washed with soap? soap can be really

bad too, as i found out.

I know what your saying but i think we have to stop and listen to what our

body is trying to tell us. people seem to just ignore what its trying to say

and use topicals and medications to mask the symptoms.

I know its hard. its painful, and sometimes you dont know what to do, but im

trying to make people think about what theyre doing.

I wish you the best and would love you to try my routine if you could, maybe

before photoderm?, hopefully you could achieve what i have....

good luck

steve

>From: DonnaW919@...

>To: stephenaloe@..., rosacea-support

>Subject: Re: you're all on the wrong track

>Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:43:23 EDT

>

>,

>

>I gotta tell you, I give you credit for being " brutally honest " but I can't

>say I agree with you. We're all different. While it's good for everyone

>to

>share what works for them, what's good for one person isn't good for

>another.

>

>I can tell you that I don't feel " responsible " for my capillary damage.

>And

>for me, rosacea came out of nowhere. It wasn't steroid induced or due to

>any

>type of sun damage, I don't know where it came from. I never had problems

>with my skin - and I always just used basic soap and water to cleanse.

>Although I didn't neglect my skin, I really never payed much special

>attention to it either and then one day out of the blue, I started getting

>these " bumps " (pimples) and I was pink all through my cheeks and nose -

>that

>color came and went for a couple of weeks and then it just stayed....and

>now

>here I am. You say that it's the use of long term topicals that cause

>rosacea, I can tell you that for me, there's no way that's true because I

>never used anything prior to my rosacea. And while photoderm may not be

> " natural " , it's not natural either to walk around all day in pain with a

>burning red face. I'm lucky, my rosacea isn't that bad but I've already

>scheduled my first photoderm treatment because I don't want it to ever

>progress to the point of it being disabilitating like it is for so many of

>the poor people in this group. I can tell you that minocycline and

>noritate

>have controlled my rosacea pretty well - no, I don't like the idea of being

>on antibiotics long term and, do I think it's " healthy " or " natural " ?

>Absolutely not. But I do think it's realistic. It's controlling something

>that is labeled as " a progressive disease without proper medical

>treatment " .

>I think it's great if you can control this naturally(I haven't read

>specifically what you've done to control yours but it sounds like you took

>the natural approach). But not everyone can. And while I think you're

>right

>- there are alot of derm's who are just out for $$ and don't have a clue, I

>also think there are a lot who know TONS about rosacea (like Dr. Nase) and

>really are out to help us.

>

>I hope you have continued good luck,

>-Donna

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Thanks donna,

sorry to hear you are having trouble with your skin, its really depressing

isnt it. And i understand everything you said but i do believe that we are

all different yes but as a universal principle something is causing this

skin problem. It doesnt just appear from nowhere for no reason, your body is

trying to tell you something. I know you say you havent used anything much

but do you wear makeup? you said you washed with soap? soap can be really

bad too, as i found out.

I know what your saying but i think we have to stop and listen to what our

body is trying to tell us. people seem to just ignore what its trying to say

and use topicals and medications to mask the symptoms.

I know its hard. its painful, and sometimes you dont know what to do, but im

trying to make people think about what theyre doing.

I wish you the best and would love you to try my routine if you could, maybe

before photoderm?, hopefully you could achieve what i have....

good luck

steve

>From: DonnaW919@...

>To: stephenaloe@..., rosacea-support

>Subject: Re: you're all on the wrong track

>Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:43:23 EDT

>

>,

>

>I gotta tell you, I give you credit for being " brutally honest " but I can't

>say I agree with you. We're all different. While it's good for everyone

>to

>share what works for them, what's good for one person isn't good for

>another.

>

>I can tell you that I don't feel " responsible " for my capillary damage.

>And

>for me, rosacea came out of nowhere. It wasn't steroid induced or due to

>any

>type of sun damage, I don't know where it came from. I never had problems

>with my skin - and I always just used basic soap and water to cleanse.

>Although I didn't neglect my skin, I really never payed much special

>attention to it either and then one day out of the blue, I started getting

>these " bumps " (pimples) and I was pink all through my cheeks and nose -

>that

>color came and went for a couple of weeks and then it just stayed....and

>now

>here I am. You say that it's the use of long term topicals that cause

>rosacea, I can tell you that for me, there's no way that's true because I

>never used anything prior to my rosacea. And while photoderm may not be

> " natural " , it's not natural either to walk around all day in pain with a

>burning red face. I'm lucky, my rosacea isn't that bad but I've already

>scheduled my first photoderm treatment because I don't want it to ever

>progress to the point of it being disabilitating like it is for so many of

>the poor people in this group. I can tell you that minocycline and

>noritate

>have controlled my rosacea pretty well - no, I don't like the idea of being

>on antibiotics long term and, do I think it's " healthy " or " natural " ?

>Absolutely not. But I do think it's realistic. It's controlling something

>that is labeled as " a progressive disease without proper medical

>treatment " .

>I think it's great if you can control this naturally(I haven't read

>specifically what you've done to control yours but it sounds like you took

>the natural approach). But not everyone can. And while I think you're

>right

>- there are alot of derm's who are just out for $$ and don't have a clue, I

>also think there are a lot who know TONS about rosacea (like Dr. Nase) and

>really are out to help us.

>

>I hope you have continued good luck,

>-Donna

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I know what you're saying but why is your skin giving you problems? theres a

reason for it.

As for good results with topical products, its probably damaging the skin in

the process. You said you used gentle cleansers, well theres no such thing.

Gentle means that the company can make more money by targetting a bigger

section of population.

If

>the topicals are so bad, why isn't everyone having the same problem

>as you?

Look around, people are having the same problems as me. Its sad and its

getting worse im afraid.

steve

>

>To: rosacea-support

>Subject: Re: you're all on the wrong track

>Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 01:34:29 -0000

>

>Some of us never used a lot of topicals on our skin like you did.

>That may be what caused your problems but that doesn't explain it for

>the rest of us. Even though I did have a few complexion problems

>from time to time over the years, I've always used gentle cleansers,

>and rarely ever any topicals until the cea symptoms developed

>much later in life. That's when I was prescribed the Metrogel.

>

>There are lots of people using topicals for complexion problems with

>good results. I'm not just referring to people in this group. If

>the topicals are so bad, why isn't everyone having the same problem

>as you?

>

>Is Andy back again?

>

>

>

> >

> > Anything you buy over the counter or you're derm prescribe is doing

>you more harm then good. Even if it looks like its working its doing

>other damage.

> > stop using it now.... today.

> >

> > You're derm knows shit. He knows how to charge you for a visit and

>prescribe products that are irritating you're face further.

> >

> > Ive been there, and lived through it, and trust me, you can fix

>your skin if you just understand that the skin isnt supposed to be

>blocked up with all this topical stuff. What did they do 1000 years

>ago when they didnt have Oil of Olays Foaming face wash?

> >

> > I gave myself seb derm by using all this stuff. trust me, its not

>worth it. Follow my previous regime that i posted and you will be

>surprised. It took me 5 years to realise all this, so im just helping

>you guys.

> >

> > They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

> > well i know, its simple....

> >

> > its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin.

>Who knows what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all

>that crap can do longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who

>has developed skin disease because of it.

> >

> > By the way, anyone doing photoderm is wasting their money. Its just

>another treatment to suck money out of your pocket. I cured my

>capillary damage naturally and it cost me 2 dollars. Im sorry to

>upset anyone but im being brutally honest. You wouldnt have capillary

>damage if you looked after your skin in the first place. Using all

>this shit on your face causes capillary damage, it caused mine. But

>dont worry, you can reverse the damage, ive done it, and if i can

>anyone can. Im not saying photoderm doesnt work, but what the hell is

>it doing to your skin in the process? its not natural.

> >

> > Sorry for coming across as arrogant but im allowed to be because

>ive been through what your going through. Listen to me, and i promise

>you that things can improve ten fold.

> >

> > thanks guys.

> >

> > stephen

> >

> > stephenaloe@h...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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steve

---------------------------------------------------

First off id like to state the following --

" Theres no such thing as worn out skin. If everytime you look in the mirror

you get depressed, hate what you see, are sick of looking at a red irritated

face... please take the time to read my little story. Im not selling

anything, im just trying to help people out there who may have suffered like

i did with bad skin on their face.

My skin problem started in around year 11 at high school. I had very oily

skin and would get large pimple whiteheads. I never got cysts but they were

large and sore. I also had heaps of blackheads all over my face aswell.

It started to concern me, so i started using some over the counter product

like clearasil and washing my face with soap. Then over the following year

or two, since they werent working, i tried benzoyl peroxide and all that

other stuff you can think of. i was on minocycline for 2 years, Doxycycline

for a year, and accutane for 6 months.

All this time during these tablets i was taking, i was trying hard to clean

my skin, using all the wrong products with ALOCOHOL and AHAs in them, not

realising what i was doing to myself. My face started to get red before i

went on accutane, i noticed slight blood vessels showing but it didnt bother

me too much, so i went on accutane. Still continuing to use all these

products that were literally eating away the layers of skin from my face.

While i was on acccutane i lost so much skin due to not moisturising enough

and i was also using a alpha hydoxy acid wash (which i didnt realise was

irritating my skin further) and my face was just getting redder and redder.

I tried everything to get rid of the redness but nothing worked. it was a

viscious circle and i was making things worse and worse.

Anyway, after accutane, i became concerned over the condition of my skin

(accutane caused depression, dont even think of taking it.. trust me) . My

face wasnt just red, it was a completely different colour, it was like a

dark, sun damamged skin all over my face, only under my left eye was normal

skin which didnt seem to cop all the abuse.

Anyway, my skin would itch intensely when in the sun, my head would itch

too. I would get red after walking down the street or doing anything

physical. my face was a red irritated mess.

To make matters worse, i developed seb derm on my face, and it was really

really bad, all over one side, i couldnt go out in public for a week, i had

to go to the derm who prescribed the usual cortisone and antifungal cream to

put on it. The seb derm healed up but my face was still a mess. I broke down

in the derms office and cried.

I was becomming suicidal, depressed, i didnt want to do anything. I was

nervous and riddled with anxiety. i just wanted to have skin like the other

people my age who had clear perfect skin.

My skin looked rough too, like thousands of large pores open, it just looked

terrible.

After having tried everything, i thought, i read some more about aloe vera

which i always knew was good for skin, so i decided to start applying it to

my face.

I should mention that in an effort to heal my skin, i radically changed my

diet too, trying to avoid refined sugar, dairy and meat, and eating lots

good stuff.. fruits... veges etc.

Anyway, the diet was maybe improving my skin a little bit but nothing real

noticeable to the eye that i could see. So i started applying aloe vera

STRAIGHT FROM THE LEAF (note the emphasis on fresh from the leaf) all over

my face, twice a day. I stopped putting anything else on my face. NOTHING AT

ALL. i went swimming in the salt water a bit at the beach, but only washed

my face with water, i use bottled water because it doesnt have anything

added like tap water.

I know this sounds extreme, but thats how irritated and sensitive my face

was (bottled water)...

I read that aloe vera takes time to work so i was prepared to wait.... first

week i didnt notice too much. the second and third week i started to notice

a slight reduction in redness. But the MAGIC started to happen around the 5

week mark, when i looked in the mirror, my face was starting to look

blotchy, because i was starting to gain back normal skin color in areas, it

was still red but starting to turn pink. Slowly things started to improve

even further, and the redness was turning pink. I look in the mirror and my

face is starting to look smoother. Over the last week or so the improvement

has been *amazing*....

I DONT WANT MY STORY TO BE LIKE JUST ANY OTHER PERSONAL EXPERIENCE you have

read somewhere else. I honestly say to you that the aloe vera has started to

cure my skin problem. and the most amazing thing...

MY BROKEN BLOOD VESSELS on my face are going too... they are breaking up and

turning back to normal skin colour.

I just cant believe my face can improve this much. I am so happy. I can

relate to what you all are feeling. I know whats it like to hate what you

look like. Its the worst thing in the world.

What im going to do now, is list the things that i have been taking/doing

that contibute to my wonderful results. I have NO DOUBT in my mind that the

fresh aloe vera was the reason behind the clearing but i would like you to

try strictly following this, for at least 2 months.

1. Dont use ANYTHING on your face. NO OVER THE COUNTER CRAP. NOTHING!!! ITS

ALL MONEY MAKING!!! NONE OF IT WORKS!!!! THE SKIN ISNT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THIS

STUFF ON IT (im sorry ladies, but this includes no makeup) i know, this is

probably impossible for you all, but i want you to know exactly what i did

to reverse my skin problem.

As i right this, im still not completely cured, but im only 5 weeks into my

routine and id say may improvement is about 65%... its just a great feeling.

I cant wait to see what will happen over the next month or two.

2. Take around 50 ml of ALOE VERA JUICE, twice a day (make sure its the pure

stuff, find the best brand you can)

3. Take two tablespoons of (ok, this is going to sound like advertising, but

im just writing what i use) UDO'S CHOICE ULTIMATE OIL BLEND... it is the

correct balance of omega 3,6,9 oils. This stuff when used daily for weeks,

will make your skin soft and smooth. It actually works.

4. Twice a day, cut a leaf off a aloe vera plant (aloe barb. variety... make

sure its the right one) and rub it all over your face. What i do is cut a

section off the leave, and using scissors, cut it open on each side and

split it open down the middle. then rub the leaf all over my face, to begin

with (over the first few weeks) i put quite a bit on my face, i covered it

in the gel. I leave it on my face overnight, or until i washed my face next.

5. When washing, just use a sponge on your face and water. thats it. you

dont need anything else. try and used bottled.

6. try and eat healthy for 5 weeks. avoid sugar, dairy and meat. watch for

hidden sugar too.

after 5 weeks of doing this, i cant beleive what has happened. I really want

to find out if this can help people as well. Im looking for 5 people who

have had bad irritated face perhaps like mine. or broken blood vessels or

red face due to abuse over the years.... to follow exactly what i have down

and email me their progress every week.

Then i will post the results here for everyone to see. I really want to help

people because i know what its like. ive been there, believe me.

I truely believe that aloe vera might be a miracle plant.

I used to read all the rosacea support messages during all the time my skin

was bad, and i kinda thought i had rosacea but i dont think i did. My

personal opinion is that most of you are irritating your face further and

all this stuff you are buying and cleaning with is just a waste of money. I

spents hundreds just like you all.

check out this site:

http://www.ferlowbrothers.com/bad.htm

that shows you how bad the stuff is that you are putting on your face.

it makes me sick to think i was doing that to myself.

Some people pay thousands of dollars for photoderm to get rid of broken

blood vessels (ive had one treatment previously) and i pay $2.50 for a plant

and its fading my vessels before my eyes.

anyway, im just waiting for 5 people who are willing to give this a go.

Trust me, its changed my life and there was a point there where i thought

nothing could ever help me. my skin was *that* bad.

look forward to hearing from 5 people, or anyone that wants to chat more

about this.

Good luck.

stephen.

>From: Crzy4Pizza@...

>To: stephenaloe@...

>Subject: Re: you're all on the wrong track

>Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:08:56 EDT

>

>hi! can you tell me your aloe treatment again. i accidently deleted it.

>

>i'd like to give it a try.

>

>thanks! syd

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steve

---------------------------------------------------

First off id like to state the following --

" Theres no such thing as worn out skin. If everytime you look in the mirror

you get depressed, hate what you see, are sick of looking at a red irritated

face... please take the time to read my little story. Im not selling

anything, im just trying to help people out there who may have suffered like

i did with bad skin on their face.

My skin problem started in around year 11 at high school. I had very oily

skin and would get large pimple whiteheads. I never got cysts but they were

large and sore. I also had heaps of blackheads all over my face aswell.

It started to concern me, so i started using some over the counter product

like clearasil and washing my face with soap. Then over the following year

or two, since they werent working, i tried benzoyl peroxide and all that

other stuff you can think of. i was on minocycline for 2 years, Doxycycline

for a year, and accutane for 6 months.

All this time during these tablets i was taking, i was trying hard to clean

my skin, using all the wrong products with ALOCOHOL and AHAs in them, not

realising what i was doing to myself. My face started to get red before i

went on accutane, i noticed slight blood vessels showing but it didnt bother

me too much, so i went on accutane. Still continuing to use all these

products that were literally eating away the layers of skin from my face.

While i was on acccutane i lost so much skin due to not moisturising enough

and i was also using a alpha hydoxy acid wash (which i didnt realise was

irritating my skin further) and my face was just getting redder and redder.

I tried everything to get rid of the redness but nothing worked. it was a

viscious circle and i was making things worse and worse.

Anyway, after accutane, i became concerned over the condition of my skin

(accutane caused depression, dont even think of taking it.. trust me) . My

face wasnt just red, it was a completely different colour, it was like a

dark, sun damamged skin all over my face, only under my left eye was normal

skin which didnt seem to cop all the abuse.

Anyway, my skin would itch intensely when in the sun, my head would itch

too. I would get red after walking down the street or doing anything

physical. my face was a red irritated mess.

To make matters worse, i developed seb derm on my face, and it was really

really bad, all over one side, i couldnt go out in public for a week, i had

to go to the derm who prescribed the usual cortisone and antifungal cream to

put on it. The seb derm healed up but my face was still a mess. I broke down

in the derms office and cried.

I was becomming suicidal, depressed, i didnt want to do anything. I was

nervous and riddled with anxiety. i just wanted to have skin like the other

people my age who had clear perfect skin.

My skin looked rough too, like thousands of large pores open, it just looked

terrible.

After having tried everything, i thought, i read some more about aloe vera

which i always knew was good for skin, so i decided to start applying it to

my face.

I should mention that in an effort to heal my skin, i radically changed my

diet too, trying to avoid refined sugar, dairy and meat, and eating lots

good stuff.. fruits... veges etc.

Anyway, the diet was maybe improving my skin a little bit but nothing real

noticeable to the eye that i could see. So i started applying aloe vera

STRAIGHT FROM THE LEAF (note the emphasis on fresh from the leaf) all over

my face, twice a day. I stopped putting anything else on my face. NOTHING AT

ALL. i went swimming in the salt water a bit at the beach, but only washed

my face with water, i use bottled water because it doesnt have anything

added like tap water.

I know this sounds extreme, but thats how irritated and sensitive my face

was (bottled water)...

I read that aloe vera takes time to work so i was prepared to wait.... first

week i didnt notice too much. the second and third week i started to notice

a slight reduction in redness. But the MAGIC started to happen around the 5

week mark, when i looked in the mirror, my face was starting to look

blotchy, because i was starting to gain back normal skin color in areas, it

was still red but starting to turn pink. Slowly things started to improve

even further, and the redness was turning pink. I look in the mirror and my

face is starting to look smoother. Over the last week or so the improvement

has been *amazing*....

I DONT WANT MY STORY TO BE LIKE JUST ANY OTHER PERSONAL EXPERIENCE you have

read somewhere else. I honestly say to you that the aloe vera has started to

cure my skin problem. and the most amazing thing...

MY BROKEN BLOOD VESSELS on my face are going too... they are breaking up and

turning back to normal skin colour.

I just cant believe my face can improve this much. I am so happy. I can

relate to what you all are feeling. I know whats it like to hate what you

look like. Its the worst thing in the world.

What im going to do now, is list the things that i have been taking/doing

that contibute to my wonderful results. I have NO DOUBT in my mind that the

fresh aloe vera was the reason behind the clearing but i would like you to

try strictly following this, for at least 2 months.

1. Dont use ANYTHING on your face. NO OVER THE COUNTER CRAP. NOTHING!!! ITS

ALL MONEY MAKING!!! NONE OF IT WORKS!!!! THE SKIN ISNT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THIS

STUFF ON IT (im sorry ladies, but this includes no makeup) i know, this is

probably impossible for you all, but i want you to know exactly what i did

to reverse my skin problem.

As i right this, im still not completely cured, but im only 5 weeks into my

routine and id say may improvement is about 65%... its just a great feeling.

I cant wait to see what will happen over the next month or two.

2. Take around 50 ml of ALOE VERA JUICE, twice a day (make sure its the pure

stuff, find the best brand you can)

3. Take two tablespoons of (ok, this is going to sound like advertising, but

im just writing what i use) UDO'S CHOICE ULTIMATE OIL BLEND... it is the

correct balance of omega 3,6,9 oils. This stuff when used daily for weeks,

will make your skin soft and smooth. It actually works.

4. Twice a day, cut a leaf off a aloe vera plant (aloe barb. variety... make

sure its the right one) and rub it all over your face. What i do is cut a

section off the leave, and using scissors, cut it open on each side and

split it open down the middle. then rub the leaf all over my face, to begin

with (over the first few weeks) i put quite a bit on my face, i covered it

in the gel. I leave it on my face overnight, or until i washed my face next.

5. When washing, just use a sponge on your face and water. thats it. you

dont need anything else. try and used bottled.

6. try and eat healthy for 5 weeks. avoid sugar, dairy and meat. watch for

hidden sugar too.

after 5 weeks of doing this, i cant beleive what has happened. I really want

to find out if this can help people as well. Im looking for 5 people who

have had bad irritated face perhaps like mine. or broken blood vessels or

red face due to abuse over the years.... to follow exactly what i have down

and email me their progress every week.

Then i will post the results here for everyone to see. I really want to help

people because i know what its like. ive been there, believe me.

I truely believe that aloe vera might be a miracle plant.

I used to read all the rosacea support messages during all the time my skin

was bad, and i kinda thought i had rosacea but i dont think i did. My

personal opinion is that most of you are irritating your face further and

all this stuff you are buying and cleaning with is just a waste of money. I

spents hundreds just like you all.

check out this site:

http://www.ferlowbrothers.com/bad.htm

that shows you how bad the stuff is that you are putting on your face.

it makes me sick to think i was doing that to myself.

Some people pay thousands of dollars for photoderm to get rid of broken

blood vessels (ive had one treatment previously) and i pay $2.50 for a plant

and its fading my vessels before my eyes.

anyway, im just waiting for 5 people who are willing to give this a go.

Trust me, its changed my life and there was a point there where i thought

nothing could ever help me. my skin was *that* bad.

look forward to hearing from 5 people, or anyone that wants to chat more

about this.

Good luck.

stephen.

>From: Crzy4Pizza@...

>To: stephenaloe@...

>Subject: Re: you're all on the wrong track

>Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:08:56 EDT

>

>hi! can you tell me your aloe treatment again. i accidently deleted it.

>

>i'd like to give it a try.

>

>thanks! syd

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sure... ill repaste the original email here... good luck and keep me posted

steve

---------------------------------------------------

First off id like to state the following --

" Theres no such thing as worn out skin. If everytime you look in the mirror

you get depressed, hate what you see, are sick of looking at a red irritated

face... please take the time to read my little story. Im not selling

anything, im just trying to help people out there who may have suffered like

i did with bad skin on their face.

My skin problem started in around year 11 at high school. I had very oily

skin and would get large pimple whiteheads. I never got cysts but they were

large and sore. I also had heaps of blackheads all over my face aswell.

It started to concern me, so i started using some over the counter product

like clearasil and washing my face with soap. Then over the following year

or two, since they werent working, i tried benzoyl peroxide and all that

other stuff you can think of. i was on minocycline for 2 years, Doxycycline

for a year, and accutane for 6 months.

All this time during these tablets i was taking, i was trying hard to clean

my skin, using all the wrong products with ALOCOHOL and AHAs in them, not

realising what i was doing to myself. My face started to get red before i

went on accutane, i noticed slight blood vessels showing but it didnt bother

me too much, so i went on accutane. Still continuing to use all these

products that were literally eating away the layers of skin from my face.

While i was on acccutane i lost so much skin due to not moisturising enough

and i was also using a alpha hydoxy acid wash (which i didnt realise was

irritating my skin further) and my face was just getting redder and redder.

I tried everything to get rid of the redness but nothing worked. it was a

viscious circle and i was making things worse and worse.

Anyway, after accutane, i became concerned over the condition of my skin

(accutane caused depression, dont even think of taking it.. trust me) . My

face wasnt just red, it was a completely different colour, it was like a

dark, sun damamged skin all over my face, only under my left eye was normal

skin which didnt seem to cop all the abuse.

Anyway, my skin would itch intensely when in the sun, my head would itch

too. I would get red after walking down the street or doing anything

physical. my face was a red irritated mess.

To make matters worse, i developed seb derm on my face, and it was really

really bad, all over one side, i couldnt go out in public for a week, i had

to go to the derm who prescribed the usual cortisone and antifungal cream to

put on it. The seb derm healed up but my face was still a mess. I broke down

in the derms office and cried.

I was becomming suicidal, depressed, i didnt want to do anything. I was

nervous and riddled with anxiety. i just wanted to have skin like the other

people my age who had clear perfect skin.

My skin looked rough too, like thousands of large pores open, it just looked

terrible.

After having tried everything, i thought, i read some more about aloe vera

which i always knew was good for skin, so i decided to start applying it to

my face.

I should mention that in an effort to heal my skin, i radically changed my

diet too, trying to avoid refined sugar, dairy and meat, and eating lots

good stuff.. fruits... veges etc.

Anyway, the diet was maybe improving my skin a little bit but nothing real

noticeable to the eye that i could see. So i started applying aloe vera

STRAIGHT FROM THE LEAF (note the emphasis on fresh from the leaf) all over

my face, twice a day. I stopped putting anything else on my face. NOTHING AT

ALL. i went swimming in the salt water a bit at the beach, but only washed

my face with water, i use bottled water because it doesnt have anything

added like tap water.

I know this sounds extreme, but thats how irritated and sensitive my face

was (bottled water)...

I read that aloe vera takes time to work so i was prepared to wait.... first

week i didnt notice too much. the second and third week i started to notice

a slight reduction in redness. But the MAGIC started to happen around the 5

week mark, when i looked in the mirror, my face was starting to look

blotchy, because i was starting to gain back normal skin color in areas, it

was still red but starting to turn pink. Slowly things started to improve

even further, and the redness was turning pink. I look in the mirror and my

face is starting to look smoother. Over the last week or so the improvement

has been *amazing*....

I DONT WANT MY STORY TO BE LIKE JUST ANY OTHER PERSONAL EXPERIENCE you have

read somewhere else. I honestly say to you that the aloe vera has started to

cure my skin problem. and the most amazing thing...

MY BROKEN BLOOD VESSELS on my face are going too... they are breaking up and

turning back to normal skin colour.

I just cant believe my face can improve this much. I am so happy. I can

relate to what you all are feeling. I know whats it like to hate what you

look like. Its the worst thing in the world.

What im going to do now, is list the things that i have been taking/doing

that contibute to my wonderful results. I have NO DOUBT in my mind that the

fresh aloe vera was the reason behind the clearing but i would like you to

try strictly following this, for at least 2 months.

1. Dont use ANYTHING on your face. NO OVER THE COUNTER CRAP. NOTHING!!! ITS

ALL MONEY MAKING!!! NONE OF IT WORKS!!!! THE SKIN ISNT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THIS

STUFF ON IT (im sorry ladies, but this includes no makeup) i know, this is

probably impossible for you all, but i want you to know exactly what i did

to reverse my skin problem.

As i right this, im still not completely cured, but im only 5 weeks into my

routine and id say may improvement is about 65%... its just a great feeling.

I cant wait to see what will happen over the next month or two.

2. Take around 50 ml of ALOE VERA JUICE, twice a day (make sure its the pure

stuff, find the best brand you can)

3. Take two tablespoons of (ok, this is going to sound like advertising, but

im just writing what i use) UDO'S CHOICE ULTIMATE OIL BLEND... it is the

correct balance of omega 3,6,9 oils. This stuff when used daily for weeks,

will make your skin soft and smooth. It actually works.

4. Twice a day, cut a leaf off a aloe vera plant (aloe barb. variety... make

sure its the right one) and rub it all over your face. What i do is cut a

section off the leave, and using scissors, cut it open on each side and

split it open down the middle. then rub the leaf all over my face, to begin

with (over the first few weeks) i put quite a bit on my face, i covered it

in the gel. I leave it on my face overnight, or until i washed my face next.

5. When washing, just use a sponge on your face and water. thats it. you

dont need anything else. try and used bottled.

6. try and eat healthy for 5 weeks. avoid sugar, dairy and meat. watch for

hidden sugar too.

after 5 weeks of doing this, i cant beleive what has happened. I really want

to find out if this can help people as well. Im looking for 5 people who

have had bad irritated face perhaps like mine. or broken blood vessels or

red face due to abuse over the years.... to follow exactly what i have down

and email me their progress every week.

Then i will post the results here for everyone to see. I really want to help

people because i know what its like. ive been there, believe me.

I truely believe that aloe vera might be a miracle plant.

I used to read all the rosacea support messages during all the time my skin

was bad, and i kinda thought i had rosacea but i dont think i did. My

personal opinion is that most of you are irritating your face further and

all this stuff you are buying and cleaning with is just a waste of money. I

spents hundreds just like you all.

check out this site:

http://www.ferlowbrothers.com/bad.htm

that shows you how bad the stuff is that you are putting on your face.

it makes me sick to think i was doing that to myself.

Some people pay thousands of dollars for photoderm to get rid of broken

blood vessels (ive had one treatment previously) and i pay $2.50 for a plant

and its fading my vessels before my eyes.

anyway, im just waiting for 5 people who are willing to give this a go.

Trust me, its changed my life and there was a point there where i thought

nothing could ever help me. my skin was *that* bad.

look forward to hearing from 5 people, or anyone that wants to chat more

about this.

Good luck.

stephen.

>From: Crzy4Pizza@...

>To: stephenaloe@...

>Subject: Re: you're all on the wrong track

>Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:08:56 EDT

>

>hi! can you tell me your aloe treatment again. i accidently deleted it.

>

>i'd like to give it a try.

>

>thanks! syd

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Hi,

see my original post.

Pure aloe vera straight from the plant, rubbed on the area for at least 5

weeks, and incorporating udos choice oil 2 tablespoons a day, 50ml of aloe

vera juice a day , and eating healthy trying to avoid sugar, dairy and meat.

And using nothing else on my face but bottled water.

Yep, thats it. See you later capillaries, it was nice knowing you.

This is only my experience but it makes sense indeed.

good luck.

>From: adanac@...

>To: rosacea-support

>Subject: Re: you're all on the wrong track

>Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 06:51:48 -0000

>

>Please tell us what you did to cure your capillary damage.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Anything you buy over the counter or you're derm prescribe is doing

>you more

> > harm then good. Even if it looks like its working its doing other

>damage.

> > stop using it now.... today.

> >

> > You're derm knows shit. He knows how to charge you for a visit and

>prescribe

> > products that are irritating you're face further.

> >

> > Ive been there, and lived through it, and trust me, you can fix

>your skin if

> > you just understand that the skin isnt supposed to be blocked up

>with all

> > this topical stuff. What did they do 1000 years ago when they didnt

>have Oil

> > of Olays Foaming face wash?

> >

> > I gave myself seb derm by using all this stuff. trust me, its not

>worth it.

> > Follow my previous regime that i posted and you will be surprised.

> >

> > It took me 5 years to realise all this, so im just helping you guys.

> >

> > They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

> > well i know, its simple....

> >

> > its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin.

>Who knows

> > what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all that

>crap can do

> > longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who has developed

>skin

> > disease because of it.

> >

> > By the way, anyone doing photoderm is wasting their money. Its just

>another

> > treatment to suck money out of your pocket. I cured my capillary

>damage

> > naturally and it cost me 2 dollars. Im sorry to upset anyone but im

>being

> > brutally honest. You wouldnt have capillary damage if you looked

>after your

> > skin in the first place. Using all this shit on your face causes

>capillary

> > damage, it caused mine. But dont worry, you can reverse the damage,

>ive done

> > it, and if i can anyone can. Im not saying photoderm doesnt work,

>but what

> > the hell is it doing to your skin in the process? its not natural.

> >

> > Sorry for coming across as arrogant but im allowed to be because

>ive been

> > through what your going through. Listen to me, and i promise you

>that things

> > can improve ten fold.

> >

> > thanks guys.

> >

> > stephen

> >

> > stephenaloe@h...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi,

see my original post.

Pure aloe vera straight from the plant, rubbed on the area for at least 5

weeks, and incorporating udos choice oil 2 tablespoons a day, 50ml of aloe

vera juice a day , and eating healthy trying to avoid sugar, dairy and meat.

And using nothing else on my face but bottled water.

Yep, thats it. See you later capillaries, it was nice knowing you.

This is only my experience but it makes sense indeed.

good luck.

>From: adanac@...

>To: rosacea-support

>Subject: Re: you're all on the wrong track

>Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 06:51:48 -0000

>

>Please tell us what you did to cure your capillary damage.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Anything you buy over the counter or you're derm prescribe is doing

>you more

> > harm then good. Even if it looks like its working its doing other

>damage.

> > stop using it now.... today.

> >

> > You're derm knows shit. He knows how to charge you for a visit and

>prescribe

> > products that are irritating you're face further.

> >

> > Ive been there, and lived through it, and trust me, you can fix

>your skin if

> > you just understand that the skin isnt supposed to be blocked up

>with all

> > this topical stuff. What did they do 1000 years ago when they didnt

>have Oil

> > of Olays Foaming face wash?

> >

> > I gave myself seb derm by using all this stuff. trust me, its not

>worth it.

> > Follow my previous regime that i posted and you will be surprised.

> >

> > It took me 5 years to realise all this, so im just helping you guys.

> >

> > They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

> > well i know, its simple....

> >

> > its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin.

>Who knows

> > what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all that

>crap can do

> > longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who has developed

>skin

> > disease because of it.

> >

> > By the way, anyone doing photoderm is wasting their money. Its just

>another

> > treatment to suck money out of your pocket. I cured my capillary

>damage

> > naturally and it cost me 2 dollars. Im sorry to upset anyone but im

>being

> > brutally honest. You wouldnt have capillary damage if you looked

>after your

> > skin in the first place. Using all this shit on your face causes

>capillary

> > damage, it caused mine. But dont worry, you can reverse the damage,

>ive done

> > it, and if i can anyone can. Im not saying photoderm doesnt work,

>but what

> > the hell is it doing to your skin in the process? its not natural.

> >

> > Sorry for coming across as arrogant but im allowed to be because

>ive been

> > through what your going through. Listen to me, and i promise you

>that things

> > can improve ten fold.

> >

> > thanks guys.

> >

> > stephen

> >

> > stephenaloe@h...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I have had rosacea since childhood - my grandmother had it also. My rosacea

persisted despite the fact that I never used anything on my face. My

grandmother didn't use any topical substances on her face either, yet

continued to suffer from rosacea until the day she died....

Kirsten

stephenaloe@... writes:

> They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

> well i know, its simple....

>

> its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin. Who knows

> what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all that crap can

do

> longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who has developed skin

> disease because of it.

[Guest guest]

I have had rosacea since childhood - my grandmother had it also. My rosacea

persisted despite the fact that I never used anything on my face. My

grandmother didn't use any topical substances on her face either, yet

continued to suffer from rosacea until the day she died....

Kirsten

stephenaloe@... writes:

> They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

> well i know, its simple....

>

> its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin. Who knows

> what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all that crap can

do

> longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who has developed skin

> disease because of it.

[Guest guest]

I have had rosacea since childhood - my grandmother had it also. My rosacea

persisted despite the fact that I never used anything on my face. My

grandmother didn't use any topical substances on her face either, yet

continued to suffer from rosacea until the day she died....

Kirsten

stephenaloe@... writes:

> They say that doctors dont know what causes rosacea???

> well i know, its simple....

>

> its long term use of topical substances that aggrivate the skin. Who knows

> what the combined effects of alcohol, peg stearate and all that crap can

do

> longterm? no-one knows, except me or anyone else who has developed skin

> disease because of it.

[Guest guest]

To a certain extent, I have to say I agree with a lot of what Steve has

said. In my own case, the more I've used products on my face, the worse it

seems to have gotten (especially redder). Back in high school I used to

use a lot of acne products, and my face became very red from them. I

stopped using them for the most part while in college, except for a little

Oxy-10 on the occasional pimple, and my complexion was much nicer (at

least not red). The best my face has ever looked was several years ago

when I didn't care about it at all (I was considering becoming a monk for

unrelated reasons, and didn't see any reason for facial care). I rarely

had pimples, and my face was a normal color. I look at photos of me from

then, and it's amazing how nice my skin was. Back then I didn't put any

lotions or creams on my face, didn't use any special cleansers, heck, I

often didn't even shower every day (and didn't wash my face apart from

showering). (I was planning on becoming a monk as I said, so it didn't

matter if I smelled:) But my face looked fine.

The redness I started having on mine (that is now a fairly

consistent flush that gets very red at times) seemed to start a few months

ago while taking antibiotics, then using a benzoyl peroxide cleanser, and

a multitude of other products on my face.

I think part of my redness is due to accumulated damage from the

sun and excessive blushing (I blush very easily), but I think also a lot

is from the various products I've been slathering on my face. I'm having

photoderm done Thursday (although I'd like it to be a rather mild

treatment, if that's possible? Want as little risk of damage as possible),

will be trying to get a prescription for clonidine to prevent the stress

related blushing (that i think causes damage to the blood vessels), and

for the most part stop using products on my face. I figure I'll probably

need to use something for a little while after the photoderm treatment,

but once that's done....

Mike

[Guest guest]

To a certain extent, I have to say I agree with a lot of what Steve has

said. In my own case, the more I've used products on my face, the worse it

seems to have gotten (especially redder). Back in high school I used to

use a lot of acne products, and my face became very red from them. I

stopped using them for the most part while in college, except for a little

Oxy-10 on the occasional pimple, and my complexion was much nicer (at

least not red). The best my face has ever looked was several years ago

when I didn't care about it at all (I was considering becoming a monk for

unrelated reasons, and didn't see any reason for facial care). I rarely

had pimples, and my face was a normal color. I look at photos of me from

then, and it's amazing how nice my skin was. Back then I didn't put any

lotions or creams on my face, didn't use any special cleansers, heck, I

often didn't even shower every day (and didn't wash my face apart from

showering). (I was planning on becoming a monk as I said, so it didn't

matter if I smelled:) But my face looked fine.

The redness I started having on mine (that is now a fairly

consistent flush that gets very red at times) seemed to start a few months

ago while taking antibiotics, then using a benzoyl peroxide cleanser, and

a multitude of other products on my face.

I think part of my redness is due to accumulated damage from the

sun and excessive blushing (I blush very easily), but I think also a lot

is from the various products I've been slathering on my face. I'm having

photoderm done Thursday (although I'd like it to be a rather mild

treatment, if that's possible? Want as little risk of damage as possible),

will be trying to get a prescription for clonidine to prevent the stress

related blushing (that i think causes damage to the blood vessels), and

for the most part stop using products on my face. I figure I'll probably

need to use something for a little while after the photoderm treatment,

but once that's done....

Mike

[Guest guest]

To a certain extent, I have to say I agree with a lot of what Steve has

said. In my own case, the more I've used products on my face, the worse it

seems to have gotten (especially redder). Back in high school I used to

use a lot of acne products, and my face became very red from them. I

stopped using them for the most part while in college, except for a little

Oxy-10 on the occasional pimple, and my complexion was much nicer (at

least not red). The best my face has ever looked was several years ago

when I didn't care about it at all (I was considering becoming a monk for

unrelated reasons, and didn't see any reason for facial care). I rarely

had pimples, and my face was a normal color. I look at photos of me from

then, and it's amazing how nice my skin was. Back then I didn't put any

lotions or creams on my face, didn't use any special cleansers, heck, I

often didn't even shower every day (and didn't wash my face apart from

showering). (I was planning on becoming a monk as I said, so it didn't

matter if I smelled:) But my face looked fine.

The redness I started having on mine (that is now a fairly

consistent flush that gets very red at times) seemed to start a few months

ago while taking antibiotics, then using a benzoyl peroxide cleanser, and

a multitude of other products on my face.

I think part of my redness is due to accumulated damage from the

sun and excessive blushing (I blush very easily), but I think also a lot

is from the various products I've been slathering on my face. I'm having

photoderm done Thursday (although I'd like it to be a rather mild

treatment, if that's possible? Want as little risk of damage as possible),

will be trying to get a prescription for clonidine to prevent the stress

related blushing (that i think causes damage to the blood vessels), and

for the most part stop using products on my face. I figure I'll probably

need to use something for a little while after the photoderm treatment,

but once that's done....

Mike