Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Always amazed me that Jess' levels always remained normal, for over six years on the diet. But I still say its the type of fat that matters, I didn't do what my keto centre recommended - margarine and corn or canola oil. Used butter (my theory is if God made it its healthier than anything else) and a mixture of flax, olive and usually sunflower or safflower oil, with a little bit of canola. We did use cream but averaging about 25 g per meal and neve above 35 g per meal. And a few meals with no cream at all. , 's mom Hill wrote: > Found this while looking for something else in 'my docs' , > gives a > broad outline of usual lipid levels etc for kiddies on the diet, > > > > > > Researchers at the s Hopkins Children's Center report that > the > > > rigorously high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet known as the > ketogenic > > > diet, shown to reduce or eliminate difficult-to-control seizures > in > > > children with epilepsy, significantly raised children's > cholesterol > > > and levels of lipids and lipoproteins in the blood. > > > > > > Results of the study are published in the August 20 issue of the > > > > Journal of the American Medical Association. After following the > diet > > > for six months, only one in six children in the study group had > > > either a cholesterol or triglyceride level considered acceptable > for > > > children. > > > > > > Despite the elevated lipids, the researchers believe the diet > should > > > remain in the treatment arsenal because children remain on the > > > ketogenic diet temporarily - only one to two years. " These high > > > cholesterol and triglyceride levels are unlikely to be > associated > > > with a long-term increase in risk for cardiovascular disease in > > > adulthood, " said the study's lead author, O. Kwiterovich, > Jr., > > > M.D., director of the Division of Lipid Research and > Atherosclerosis > > > at the Children's Center. > > > > > > " Although we know that, in adults, high cholesterol and > triglyceride > > > levels may increase one's risk for heart disease, we believe > that > > > children following the ketogenic diet do not stay on it long > enough > > > for these high levels to become a problem, " he added. > " Typically, > > > when the children resume a normal diet, these levels return to > > > normal. " > > > > > > Kwiterovich said parents may want to have their own and their > child's > > > cholesterol and lipid profiles tested before putting their child > on > > > the ketogenic diet. " Children with even one parent with high > > > cholesterol, or a family history of heart disease, may be more > prone > > > to extremely high cholesterol and triglyceride levels when > following > > > the diet, " he said. > > > > > > Refined in the Pediatric Epilepsy Center at the s Hopkins > > > Children's Center, the ketogenic diet is designed to maintain a > > > child's normal growth and development and is not used for weight > > > > reduction. The diet mimics some of the effects of starvation, in > > > > which the body first uses up glucose and glycogen before burning > > > > stored body fat. In the absence of glucose, the body produces > > > ketones, a chemical byproduct of fat that can inhibit seizures. > > > Children who remain seizure-free for two years on the ketogenic > diet > > > can resume normal eating. Generally, their seizures don't > return. > > > > > > For the current study, the Hopkins team tracked 141 children > between > > > the ages of four months and 20 years who had been diagnosed with > > > > difficult-to-treat seizures and were part of a larger group of > > > patients accepted into the s Hopkins ketogenic diet program > > > between 1994 and 2001. After following the diet for six months, > > > researchers measured the children's triglyceride and total > > > cholesterol levels, including high-density lipoproteins (HDL, > > > or " good " cholesterol), low-density lipoproteins (LDL, or " bad " > > > cholesterol), and very low-density lipoproteins. A subset of the > > > > study group was followed up after 12 and 24 months. > > > > > > After six months on the diet, the children's average total > > > cholesterol rose significantly to 232 milligrams per deciliter, > well > > > above the 200 mg/dL level the medical community considers too > high > > > for children. Average LDL cholesterol also increased to levels > almost > > > 20 mg/dL above what is considered to be too high. Triglyceride > levels > > > averaged 154 mg/dL, which also exceeds normal levels for > children. > > > > > > For the subgroup that was followed after 12 and 24 months, total > > > > cholesterol levels were lower than they were after six months, > but > > > still remained above 200 mg/dL. > > > > > > Kwiterovich cautioned that the results of this study do not > predict > > > how all children will respond to a high-fat, low-carbohydrate > diet > > > like the ketogenic diet. " Many of these children were on a > number of > > > medications for seizure control so diverse that it was not > possible > > > to determine the influence of each drug and dosage combination > on > > > lipid and cholesterol levels, " he said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Always amazed me that Jess' levels always remained normal, for over six years on the diet. But I still say its the type of fat that matters, I didn't do what my keto centre recommended - margarine and corn or canola oil. Used butter (my theory is if God made it its healthier than anything else) and a mixture of flax, olive and usually sunflower or safflower oil, with a little bit of canola. We did use cream but averaging about 25 g per meal and neve above 35 g per meal. And a few meals with no cream at all. , 's mom Hill wrote: > Found this while looking for something else in 'my docs' , > gives a > broad outline of usual lipid levels etc for kiddies on the diet, > > > > > > Researchers at the s Hopkins Children's Center report that > the > > > rigorously high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet known as the > ketogenic > > > diet, shown to reduce or eliminate difficult-to-control seizures > in > > > children with epilepsy, significantly raised children's > cholesterol > > > and levels of lipids and lipoproteins in the blood. > > > > > > Results of the study are published in the August 20 issue of the > > > > Journal of the American Medical Association. After following the > diet > > > for six months, only one in six children in the study group had > > > either a cholesterol or triglyceride level considered acceptable > for > > > children. > > > > > > Despite the elevated lipids, the researchers believe the diet > should > > > remain in the treatment arsenal because children remain on the > > > ketogenic diet temporarily - only one to two years. " These high > > > cholesterol and triglyceride levels are unlikely to be > associated > > > with a long-term increase in risk for cardiovascular disease in > > > adulthood, " said the study's lead author, O. Kwiterovich, > Jr., > > > M.D., director of the Division of Lipid Research and > Atherosclerosis > > > at the Children's Center. > > > > > > " Although we know that, in adults, high cholesterol and > triglyceride > > > levels may increase one's risk for heart disease, we believe > that > > > children following the ketogenic diet do not stay on it long > enough > > > for these high levels to become a problem, " he added. > " Typically, > > > when the children resume a normal diet, these levels return to > > > normal. " > > > > > > Kwiterovich said parents may want to have their own and their > child's > > > cholesterol and lipid profiles tested before putting their child > on > > > the ketogenic diet. " Children with even one parent with high > > > cholesterol, or a family history of heart disease, may be more > prone > > > to extremely high cholesterol and triglyceride levels when > following > > > the diet, " he said. > > > > > > Refined in the Pediatric Epilepsy Center at the s Hopkins > > > Children's Center, the ketogenic diet is designed to maintain a > > > child's normal growth and development and is not used for weight > > > > reduction. The diet mimics some of the effects of starvation, in > > > > which the body first uses up glucose and glycogen before burning > > > > stored body fat. In the absence of glucose, the body produces > > > ketones, a chemical byproduct of fat that can inhibit seizures. > > > Children who remain seizure-free for two years on the ketogenic > diet > > > can resume normal eating. Generally, their seizures don't > return. > > > > > > For the current study, the Hopkins team tracked 141 children > between > > > the ages of four months and 20 years who had been diagnosed with > > > > difficult-to-treat seizures and were part of a larger group of > > > patients accepted into the s Hopkins ketogenic diet program > > > between 1994 and 2001. After following the diet for six months, > > > researchers measured the children's triglyceride and total > > > cholesterol levels, including high-density lipoproteins (HDL, > > > or " good " cholesterol), low-density lipoproteins (LDL, or " bad " > > > cholesterol), and very low-density lipoproteins. A subset of the > > > > study group was followed up after 12 and 24 months. > > > > > > After six months on the diet, the children's average total > > > cholesterol rose significantly to 232 milligrams per deciliter, > well > > > above the 200 mg/dL level the medical community considers too > high > > > for children. Average LDL cholesterol also increased to levels > almost > > > 20 mg/dL above what is considered to be too high. Triglyceride > levels > > > averaged 154 mg/dL, which also exceeds normal levels for > children. > > > > > > For the subgroup that was followed after 12 and 24 months, total > > > > cholesterol levels were lower than they were after six months, > but > > > still remained above 200 mg/dL. > > > > > > Kwiterovich cautioned that the results of this study do not > predict > > > how all children will respond to a high-fat, low-carbohydrate > diet > > > like the ketogenic diet. " Many of these children were on a > number of > > > medications for seizure control so diverse that it was not > possible > > > to determine the influence of each drug and dosage combination > on > > > lipid and cholesterol levels, " he said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Always amazed me that Jess' levels always remained normal, for over six years on the diet. But I still say its the type of fat that matters, I didn't do what my keto centre recommended - margarine and corn or canola oil. Used butter (my theory is if God made it its healthier than anything else) and a mixture of flax, olive and usually sunflower or safflower oil, with a little bit of canola. We did use cream but averaging about 25 g per meal and neve above 35 g per meal. And a few meals with no cream at all. , 's mom Hill wrote: > Found this while looking for something else in 'my docs' , > gives a > broad outline of usual lipid levels etc for kiddies on the diet, > > > > > > Researchers at the s Hopkins Children's Center report that > the > > > rigorously high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet known as the > ketogenic > > > diet, shown to reduce or eliminate difficult-to-control seizures > in > > > children with epilepsy, significantly raised children's > cholesterol > > > and levels of lipids and lipoproteins in the blood. > > > > > > Results of the study are published in the August 20 issue of the > > > > Journal of the American Medical Association. After following the > diet > > > for six months, only one in six children in the study group had > > > either a cholesterol or triglyceride level considered acceptable > for > > > children. > > > > > > Despite the elevated lipids, the researchers believe the diet > should > > > remain in the treatment arsenal because children remain on the > > > ketogenic diet temporarily - only one to two years. " These high > > > cholesterol and triglyceride levels are unlikely to be > associated > > > with a long-term increase in risk for cardiovascular disease in > > > adulthood, " said the study's lead author, O. Kwiterovich, > Jr., > > > M.D., director of the Division of Lipid Research and > Atherosclerosis > > > at the Children's Center. > > > > > > " Although we know that, in adults, high cholesterol and > triglyceride > > > levels may increase one's risk for heart disease, we believe > that > > > children following the ketogenic diet do not stay on it long > enough > > > for these high levels to become a problem, " he added. > " Typically, > > > when the children resume a normal diet, these levels return to > > > normal. " > > > > > > Kwiterovich said parents may want to have their own and their > child's > > > cholesterol and lipid profiles tested before putting their child > on > > > the ketogenic diet. " Children with even one parent with high > > > cholesterol, or a family history of heart disease, may be more > prone > > > to extremely high cholesterol and triglyceride levels when > following > > > the diet, " he said. > > > > > > Refined in the Pediatric Epilepsy Center at the s Hopkins > > > Children's Center, the ketogenic diet is designed to maintain a > > > child's normal growth and development and is not used for weight > > > > reduction. The diet mimics some of the effects of starvation, in > > > > which the body first uses up glucose and glycogen before burning > > > > stored body fat. In the absence of glucose, the body produces > > > ketones, a chemical byproduct of fat that can inhibit seizures. > > > Children who remain seizure-free for two years on the ketogenic > diet > > > can resume normal eating. Generally, their seizures don't > return. > > > > > > For the current study, the Hopkins team tracked 141 children > between > > > the ages of four months and 20 years who had been diagnosed with > > > > difficult-to-treat seizures and were part of a larger group of > > > patients accepted into the s Hopkins ketogenic diet program > > > between 1994 and 2001. After following the diet for six months, > > > researchers measured the children's triglyceride and total > > > cholesterol levels, including high-density lipoproteins (HDL, > > > or " good " cholesterol), low-density lipoproteins (LDL, or " bad " > > > cholesterol), and very low-density lipoproteins. A subset of the > > > > study group was followed up after 12 and 24 months. > > > > > > After six months on the diet, the children's average total > > > cholesterol rose significantly to 232 milligrams per deciliter, > well > > > above the 200 mg/dL level the medical community considers too > high > > > for children. Average LDL cholesterol also increased to levels > almost > > > 20 mg/dL above what is considered to be too high. Triglyceride > levels > > > averaged 154 mg/dL, which also exceeds normal levels for > children. > > > > > > For the subgroup that was followed after 12 and 24 months, total > > > > cholesterol levels were lower than they were after six months, > but > > > still remained above 200 mg/dL. > > > > > > Kwiterovich cautioned that the results of this study do not > predict > > > how all children will respond to a high-fat, low-carbohydrate > diet > > > like the ketogenic diet. " Many of these children were on a > number of > > > medications for seizure control so diverse that it was not > possible > > > to determine the influence of each drug and dosage combination > on > > > lipid and cholesterol levels, " he said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Found this while looking for something else in 'my docs' , gives a broad outline of usual lipid levels etc for kiddies on the diet, > > Researchers at the s Hopkins Children's Center report that the > > rigorously high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet known as the ketogenic > > diet, shown to reduce or eliminate difficult-to-control seizures in > > children with epilepsy, significantly raised children's cholesterol > > and levels of lipids and lipoproteins in the blood. > > > > Results of the study are published in the August 20 issue of the > > Journal of the American Medical Association. After following the diet > > for six months, only one in six children in the study group had > > either a cholesterol or triglyceride level considered acceptable for > > children. > > > > Despite the elevated lipids, the researchers believe the diet should > > remain in the treatment arsenal because children remain on the > > ketogenic diet temporarily - only one to two years. " These high > > cholesterol and triglyceride levels are unlikely to be associated > > with a long-term increase in risk for cardiovascular disease in > > adulthood, " said the study's lead author, O. Kwiterovich, Jr., > > M.D., director of the Division of Lipid Research and Atherosclerosis > > at the Children's Center. > > > > " Although we know that, in adults, high cholesterol and triglyceride > > levels may increase one's risk for heart disease, we believe that > > children following the ketogenic diet do not stay on it long enough > > for these high levels to become a problem, " he added. " Typically, > > when the children resume a normal diet, these levels return to > > normal. " > > > > Kwiterovich said parents may want to have their own and their child's > > cholesterol and lipid profiles tested before putting their child on > > the ketogenic diet. " Children with even one parent with high > > cholesterol, or a family history of heart disease, may be more prone > > to extremely high cholesterol and triglyceride levels when following > > the diet, " he said. > > > > Refined in the Pediatric Epilepsy Center at the s Hopkins > > Children's Center, the ketogenic diet is designed to maintain a > > child's normal growth and development and is not used for weight > > reduction. The diet mimics some of the effects of starvation, in > > which the body first uses up glucose and glycogen before burning > > stored body fat. In the absence of glucose, the body produces > > ketones, a chemical byproduct of fat that can inhibit seizures. > > Children who remain seizure-free for two years on the ketogenic diet > > can resume normal eating. Generally, their seizures don't return. > > > > For the current study, the Hopkins team tracked 141 children between > > the ages of four months and 20 years who had been diagnosed with > > difficult-to-treat seizures and were part of a larger group of > > patients accepted into the s Hopkins ketogenic diet program > > between 1994 and 2001. After following the diet for six months, > > researchers measured the children's triglyceride and total > > cholesterol levels, including high-density lipoproteins (HDL, > > or " good " cholesterol), low-density lipoproteins (LDL, or " bad " > > cholesterol), and very low-density lipoproteins. A subset of the > > study group was followed up after 12 and 24 months. > > > > After six months on the diet, the children's average total > > cholesterol rose significantly to 232 milligrams per deciliter, well > > above the 200 mg/dL level the medical community considers too high > > for children. Average LDL cholesterol also increased to levels almost > > 20 mg/dL above what is considered to be too high. Triglyceride levels > > averaged 154 mg/dL, which also exceeds normal levels for children. > > > > For the subgroup that was followed after 12 and 24 months, total > > cholesterol levels were lower than they were after six months, but > > still remained above 200 mg/dL. > > > > Kwiterovich cautioned that the results of this study do not predict > > how all children will respond to a high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet > > like the ketogenic diet. " Many of these children were on a number of > > medications for seizure control so diverse that it was not possible > > to determine the influence of each drug and dosage combination on > > lipid and cholesterol levels, " he said. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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