Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Yes, lower than optimum ketones can cause the seizure, but also - the act of having a seizure can trigger a glucose stress response. Higher glucose (usually) = lower ketones. Testing either blood level just after a seizure is therefore not v accurate, well it never was here anyways... - the one move that definitely made a difference with 's waking ketones was changing his spacing to yes, 5 meals per day, instead of 4, and one of those meals just before bed is not the snack it used to be, it is now really what you would call a full meal - I assumed this could result in higher glucose readings and therefore lower ketones on waking, but the opposite happened with him. His spacing (though it may not apply to as they are obviously diff ages with different things going on in their day..with much larger calories here) is breakfast (400 cals) as soon as he wakes at 8 am, a snack (75 cals) at 10.30, lunch at 12.30 pm (400 cals) , I guess you would call it dinner at 4.30 pm, (375 cals) and 'supper' (300 cals) at 7.30 pm, bed at 7.45 pm. That last meal before bed last yr (and the yr before) used to be a 100 cal snack, but for it was obviously not enough to carry him though till the early hrs of the morn, he was prob using glucose from muscle etc to carry him thru, which is why his ketones were so much lower on waking. That's the theory anyways ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Barber , I don't think that seizures can affect ketones. It is more likely that the low ketones caused the seizure. Bill michelle paulson wrote: > Hi - > I check blood ketones. His ketones are consistently > high at bedtime and he is now waking w/mod. ketones > " MOST " days. Granted, I only spot check. Mornings > following seizures ketones are down and glucose is up > but figured they were lower as a natural response to > the seizure. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Yes, lower than optimum ketones can cause the seizure, but also - the act of having a seizure can trigger a glucose stress response. Higher glucose (usually) = lower ketones. Testing either blood level just after a seizure is therefore not v accurate, well it never was here anyways... - the one move that definitely made a difference with 's waking ketones was changing his spacing to yes, 5 meals per day, instead of 4, and one of those meals just before bed is not the snack it used to be, it is now really what you would call a full meal - I assumed this could result in higher glucose readings and therefore lower ketones on waking, but the opposite happened with him. His spacing (though it may not apply to as they are obviously diff ages with different things going on in their day..with much larger calories here) is breakfast (400 cals) as soon as he wakes at 8 am, a snack (75 cals) at 10.30, lunch at 12.30 pm (400 cals) , I guess you would call it dinner at 4.30 pm, (375 cals) and 'supper' (300 cals) at 7.30 pm, bed at 7.45 pm. That last meal before bed last yr (and the yr before) used to be a 100 cal snack, but for it was obviously not enough to carry him though till the early hrs of the morn, he was prob using glucose from muscle etc to carry him thru, which is why his ketones were so much lower on waking. That's the theory anyways ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Barber , I don't think that seizures can affect ketones. It is more likely that the low ketones caused the seizure. Bill michelle paulson wrote: > Hi - > I check blood ketones. His ketones are consistently > high at bedtime and he is now waking w/mod. ketones > " MOST " days. Granted, I only spot check. Mornings > following seizures ketones are down and glucose is up > but figured they were lower as a natural response to > the seizure. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Hi I've read recently that blood ketone level should be at least 4.2 for seizure control( as researches suggest),so obviously 2.7 is not enough and maybe what is why he is still having seizures early moning.Coinsedencely ph's ratio has been increased from 3:1 to 3.5:1 about a month ago and now his morning ketones are anywhere from 3.7 to 4.8 .Is is possible gets too much carbs in his meals? Maybe your dietitian shoul adjust the proportion? Natasha( mom to ph) > > > Hi - > > > I check blood ketones. His ketones are > > consistently > > > high at bedtime and he is now waking w/mod. > > ketones > > > " MOST " days. Granted, I only spot check. > > Mornings > > > following seizures ketones are down and > > glucose is up > > > but figured they were lower as a natural > > response to > > > the seizure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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