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Sky:

I'd be very careful about taking excess Metformin; it

can cause lactic acidosis, which can be fatal in 50%

of the cases. You might want to talk to your doc about

chaning to the non-time release version of metformin

or reducing the evening dose by 500 mgs and taking the

regular metformin in the am.

Alyne T2, Dx 8-03, D & E and Metformin

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Sky:

I'd be very careful about taking excess Metformin; it

can cause lactic acidosis, which can be fatal in 50%

of the cases. You might want to talk to your doc about

chaning to the non-time release version of metformin

or reducing the evening dose by 500 mgs and taking the

regular metformin in the am.

Alyne T2, Dx 8-03, D & E and Metformin

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> Sky:

>

> I'd be very careful about taking excess Metformin; it

> can cause lactic acidosis, which can be fatal in 50%

> of the cases. You might want to talk to your doc about

> chaning to the non-time release version of metformin

> or reducing the evening dose by 500 mgs and taking the

> regular metformin in the am.

Taking above the recommended dose of metformin is really a waste of

money, more than anything. Some drugs do not get more effective as you

increase the dosage beyond a certain point. Metformin seems to be like

that.

Lactic acidosis is a potentially lethal side effect, however, it's

quite rare, about 1 out 33,000 patients. It seems to be a risk of

taking any dose of the drug rather than an excess of it. Also, it

should not be taken by people with kidney problems and it should be

discontinued temporarily when having general anesthesia or an x-ray

which uses contrast media, as these things put high workloads on the

kidneys.

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Gretchen, she asked if I wanted to try metformin very shortly after it

came out. I remember her telling me that I might see numbers in the 130s

until it built up to its full effect. And to be patient.

Perhaps that was before we had a good idea of how it worked. As it

happens, I am still seeing her and will be on October 3. I am already

making a list and will try to remember to put metformin build-up on it.

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> Gretchen, she asked if I wanted to try metformin very shortly after it

> came out.

Then she was unlikely to be thinking of Avandamet, as it's fairly recent.

But when metformin first came out I doubt that anyone was talking about it

having two different effects with different time frames, as at that time

people were still arguing about whether it worked on gluconeogenesis or

insulin resistance.

> I am still seeing her and will be on October 3. I am already

> making a list and will try to remember to put metformin build-up on it.

Thanks. If time is short, don't waste it with this question, which is only

theoretical. Discussing your DM has more practical implications and should

come first.

But if she says she has no more patients and wants to chat (unlikely), you

could say you know someone who wants more information about this if she

happens to know where one should look.

Gretchen

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> Gretchen, she asked if I wanted to try metformin very shortly after it

> came out.

Then she was unlikely to be thinking of Avandamet, as it's fairly recent.

But when metformin first came out I doubt that anyone was talking about it

having two different effects with different time frames, as at that time

people were still arguing about whether it worked on gluconeogenesis or

insulin resistance.

> I am still seeing her and will be on October 3. I am already

> making a list and will try to remember to put metformin build-up on it.

Thanks. If time is short, don't waste it with this question, which is only

theoretical. Discussing your DM has more practical implications and should

come first.

But if she says she has no more patients and wants to chat (unlikely), you

could say you know someone who wants more information about this if she

happens to know where one should look.

Gretchen

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> Gretchen, she asked if I wanted to try metformin very shortly after it

> came out.

Then she was unlikely to be thinking of Avandamet, as it's fairly recent.

But when metformin first came out I doubt that anyone was talking about it

having two different effects with different time frames, as at that time

people were still arguing about whether it worked on gluconeogenesis or

insulin resistance.

> I am still seeing her and will be on October 3. I am already

> making a list and will try to remember to put metformin build-up on it.

Thanks. If time is short, don't waste it with this question, which is only

theoretical. Discussing your DM has more practical implications and should

come first.

But if she says she has no more patients and wants to chat (unlikely), you

could say you know someone who wants more information about this if she

happens to know where one should look.

Gretchen

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I did a quick google search using the words biphasic metformin

response and got 753 hits. With just the words biphasic & metformin I

got over 4000 hits. Theres gotta be what you need somewhere. Good

luck. I hope it helps.

Peace, Jim

" I've been searching Google for some reference to the biphasic

metformin response and can't find anything. "

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I did a quick google search using the words biphasic metformin

response and got 753 hits. With just the words biphasic & metformin I

got over 4000 hits. Theres gotta be what you need somewhere. Good

luck. I hope it helps.

Peace, Jim

" I've been searching Google for some reference to the biphasic

metformin response and can't find anything. "

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I did a quick google search using the words biphasic metformin

response and got 753 hits. With just the words biphasic & metformin I

got over 4000 hits. Theres gotta be what you need somewhere. Good

luck. I hope it helps.

Peace, Jim

" I've been searching Google for some reference to the biphasic

metformin response and can't find anything. "

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> I did a quick google search using the words biphasic metformin

> response and got 753 hits. With just the words biphasic & metformin I

> got over 4000 hits.

I did the same, and most of them were not what I was looking for. If you use

quotes: " Biphasic metformin response " you get zero hits. If you don't use

the quotes, you get articles discussing biphasic something else plus

metformin. Many of them are about the TZDs.

Gretchen

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> I did a quick google search using the words biphasic metformin

> response and got 753 hits. With just the words biphasic & metformin I

> got over 4000 hits.

I did the same, and most of them were not what I was looking for. If you use

quotes: " Biphasic metformin response " you get zero hits. If you don't use

the quotes, you get articles discussing biphasic something else plus

metformin. Many of them are about the TZDs.

Gretchen

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Doing a search with www.scholar.google.com yielded 219 responses

including the following article.

The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 88, No. 3 1323-1332

Copyright © 2003 by The Endocrine Society

Metformin Rapidly Increases Insulin Receptor Activation in Human Liver and

Signals Preferentially through Insulin-Receptor Substrate-2

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/88/3/1323

There may be more but I can't take the time just now. It's early Thurs

morning and I have a deadline to meet.

Bea

Gretchen wrote

>> I did a quick google search using the words biphasic metformin

>> response and got 753 hits. With just the words biphasic & metformin I

>> got over 4000 hits.

>

> I did the same, and most of them were not what I was looking for. If you

> use

> quotes: " Biphasic metformin response " you get zero hits. If you don't use

> the quotes, you get articles discussing biphasic something else plus

> metformin. Many of them are about the TZDs.

>

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Doing a search with www.scholar.google.com yielded 219 responses

including the following article.

The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 88, No. 3 1323-1332

Copyright © 2003 by The Endocrine Society

Metformin Rapidly Increases Insulin Receptor Activation in Human Liver and

Signals Preferentially through Insulin-Receptor Substrate-2

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/88/3/1323

There may be more but I can't take the time just now. It's early Thurs

morning and I have a deadline to meet.

Bea

Gretchen wrote

>> I did a quick google search using the words biphasic metformin

>> response and got 753 hits. With just the words biphasic & metformin I

>> got over 4000 hits.

>

> I did the same, and most of them were not what I was looking for. If you

> use

> quotes: " Biphasic metformin response " you get zero hits. If you don't use

> the quotes, you get articles discussing biphasic something else plus

> metformin. Many of them are about the TZDs.

>

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> Doing a search with www.scholar.google.com yielded 219 responses

> including the following article.

>

> The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 88, No. 3

1323-1332

> Copyright © 2003 by The Endocrine Society

> Metformin Rapidly Increases Insulin Receptor Activation in Human Liver and

> Signals Preferentially through Insulin-Receptor Substrate-2

> http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/88/3/1323

Thanks. But I'm not sure what this has to do with the question at hand.

> There may be more but I can't take the time just now.

Same with me. I looked at about 50 papers, and none of them addressed the

topic we were discussing.

Gretchen

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> Doing a search with www.scholar.google.com yielded 219 responses

> including the following article.

>

> The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 88, No. 3

1323-1332

> Copyright © 2003 by The Endocrine Society

> Metformin Rapidly Increases Insulin Receptor Activation in Human Liver and

> Signals Preferentially through Insulin-Receptor Substrate-2

> http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/88/3/1323

Thanks. But I'm not sure what this has to do with the question at hand.

> There may be more but I can't take the time just now.

Same with me. I looked at about 50 papers, and none of them addressed the

topic we were discussing.

Gretchen

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Gretchen wrote:

> I've been researching drug prices now that I'm officially elderly and

> forced

> to pay for my own drugs. (The joys of the Sunset Years.)

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Strange system you have there Gretchen - Here in Ontario, at age 65 we pay one

annual fee of $100 and thereafter everything that is on the Ontario Health

Insurance Plan is free - including glucometer strips!; however if your doc

prescribes something NOT on the plan you do have to pay. I get my metformin

free - BUT there is no extended release (XR) availability.

CJ

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Gretchen wrote:

> I've been researching drug prices now that I'm officially elderly and

> forced

> to pay for my own drugs. (The joys of the Sunset Years.)

-----------------------------------------------

Strange system you have there Gretchen - Here in Ontario, at age 65 we pay one

annual fee of $100 and thereafter everything that is on the Ontario Health

Insurance Plan is free - including glucometer strips!; however if your doc

prescribes something NOT on the plan you do have to pay. I get my metformin

free - BUT there is no extended release (XR) availability.

CJ

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Gretchen wrote:

> I've been researching drug prices now that I'm officially elderly and

> forced

> to pay for my own drugs. (The joys of the Sunset Years.)

-----------------------------------------------

Strange system you have there Gretchen - Here in Ontario, at age 65 we pay one

annual fee of $100 and thereafter everything that is on the Ontario Health

Insurance Plan is free - including glucometer strips!; however if your doc

prescribes something NOT on the plan you do have to pay. I get my metformin

free - BUT there is no extended release (XR) availability.

CJ

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I know that was supposed to be joke, Carol, but the truth of the matter

is, we should ALL have our DNRs in place well before need. An auto

accident - or any kind of accident -- can happen to anyone, at any age.

Vicki

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> When doctors start wanting you to sign a DNR.

>

> CarolR

>

> Sue wrote:

>> At what age is one " officially elderly " ?

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I know that was supposed to be joke, Carol, but the truth of the matter

is, we should ALL have our DNRs in place well before need. An auto

accident - or any kind of accident -- can happen to anyone, at any age.

Vicki

Re: Metformin

> When doctors start wanting you to sign a DNR.

>

> CarolR

>

> Sue wrote:

>> At what age is one " officially elderly " ?

>

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i am 66, and i am going to be going grandma, my grandaughter calls me. with all

the aches and diets, if i can get to the casino, i will take advantage of the

senior citizen day. i have been getting discounts [they call it] since 55. i

really don't know when we are condsidered elderly.

Carol wrote:When doctors start wanting you to

sign a DNR.

CarolR

Sue wrote:

> At what age is one " officially elderly " ?

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i am 66, and i am going to be going grandma, my grandaughter calls me. with all

the aches and diets, if i can get to the casino, i will take advantage of the

senior citizen day. i have been getting discounts [they call it] since 55. i

really don't know when we are condsidered elderly.

Carol wrote:When doctors start wanting you to

sign a DNR.

CarolR

Sue wrote:

> At what age is one " officially elderly " ?

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