Re: How to get a school to pay for an outside ST?

[Guest guest]

Michele,

Oh my goodness, we went through something similar. Are you by any chance on

the east coast. I could call you or you call me. We found a great solution to

our problem and if you want I can write it out, but it will be langthy, or

we could talk via phone.

My son is Logan and he is six and is just starting to jump into language

with the right approach and we are thrilled.

There is a way to fix this problem.

My number is 518-523-4241

Let me know if you want to talk and we can set up a time, or if you prefer,

I can write to you.

Talking would be easier.

We are verbal apraxic as well with Logan.

Jule

[Guest guest]

Michele,

Oh my goodness, we went through something similar. Are you by any chance on

the east coast. I could call you or you call me. We found a great solution to

our problem and if you want I can write it out, but it will be langthy, or

we could talk via phone.

My son is Logan and he is six and is just starting to jump into language

with the right approach and we are thrilled.

There is a way to fix this problem.

My number is 518-523-4241

Let me know if you want to talk and we can set up a time, or if you prefer,

I can write to you.

Talking would be easier.

We are verbal apraxic as well with Logan.

Jule

[Guest guest]

Jule

please share your success if you can.

thanks

k

DJvirtual@... wrote:

Michele,

Oh my goodness, we went through something similar. Are you by any chance on

the east coast. I could call you or you call me. We found a great solution to

our problem and if you want I can write it out, but it will be langthy, or

we could talk via phone.

My son is Logan and he is six and is just starting to jump into language

with the right approach and we are thrilled.

There is a way to fix this problem.

My number is 518-523-4241

Let me know if you want to talk and we can set up a time, or if you prefer,

I can write to you.

Talking would be easier.

We are verbal apraxic as well with Logan.

Jule

[Guest guest]

Jule

please share your success if you can.

thanks

k

DJvirtual@... wrote:

Michele,

Oh my goodness, we went through something similar. Are you by any chance on

the east coast. I could call you or you call me. We found a great solution to

our problem and if you want I can write it out, but it will be langthy, or

we could talk via phone.

My son is Logan and he is six and is just starting to jump into language

with the right approach and we are thrilled.

There is a way to fix this problem.

My number is 518-523-4241

Let me know if you want to talk and we can set up a time, or if you prefer,

I can write to you.

Talking would be easier.

We are verbal apraxic as well with Logan.

Jule

[Guest guest]

We had our son evaluated in the school by another team of evaluators and the

school paid for it, they then came in and demonstrated to the teachers how

to apporach Logan's teaching style. There are still some big bumps in the

road, but things are improving and the frustration level is down, at least on

most days.

[Guest guest]

We had our son evaluated in the school by another team of evaluators and the

school paid for it, they then came in and demonstrated to the teachers how

to apporach Logan's teaching style. There are still some big bumps in the

road, but things are improving and the frustration level is down, at least on

most days.

[Guest guest]

Hi Michele, Is your insurance paying for the private therapist? If yes, I would

discontinue the services at school and continue with the private therapist. I

would not hesitate to share with the school corporation why you are doing that.

The school must guarantee you speech therapy, but they don't have to guarnatee

that it will be " good " and " helpful " . Good luck with this.....Fay, Damon's

grandmother

[ ] How to get a school to pay for an outside ST?

I am looking for any success stories in getting a school district to

pay for an outside speech therapist instead of using there own? My

son has severe apraxia and we have been through a bunch of speech

therapist and 2 school districts and no one has gotten my son to

talk. Well during our last move we found an amazing speech

therapist who has made progress with my son. She has gotten so many

sounds and three letter words out of him. The problem is the school

speech therapist keeps making our son regress. She praises him for

an sound/utterence that comes out of his mouth, so he was saying up

for the outside therapist but at school is being praised for uppie.

The speech therapist at school is not good at all, our private

therapist had gone into the school to watch a therapy session and

was appauld. I almost want to say to the school we do not want your

services, but we feel they are owed to our son. I wish there was a

way I could get them to forgo there own therapist and let us use our

private one. Any way I can prove the school therapist does not have

the expertise needs. He is making progress, but only because

of his outside therapy and I do not want the school taking credit

for it.

Michele

[Guest guest]

Michele does your son have a communication book that goes back and

forth between all the professionals that work with your child? Is

your private SLP willing to reach out to your child's school SLP?

Is the school SLP willing to work with your child's private SLP? At

times as a parent it's best to put the professionals together rather

than saying that you as a parent of a 2 year old know what therapy

is good or horrible. Not that you don't know -but you may end up

insulting the school SLP who is using a technique she found to work

with others. I ran into the opposite in that the public school SLP

didn't approve of approximations while Tanner's private SLP did.

Having them discuss what techniques they are using with each other

is most appropriate.

How do you secure outside services if that is still what you want

after you explore the above and the private SLP concurs that the

school SLP is inexperienced with apraxia and completely unwilling to

accept any advice or new information to help (which again is

unlikely) You have to prove that the therapy provided by the school

is not appropriate. The school does not have to provide the " best "

therapy -just appropriate. But appropriate therapy for apraxia is

what is best. In order to secure outside service you need to have

an outside hero -SLP or neuroMD who can help track goals. Does your

son have written 1-3 or at least 6 month goals as well as 1 year

goals written by your child's private SLP? To secure outside

services being compensated by the public school you can also use a

special ed attorney or advocate.

But going back to the top....Most times you need to " play the game "

and give the school a chance to prove they can or can't do the right

thing. Give them enough rope as they say -and document everything

they do that is inappropriate if in fact what they are doing is

inappropriate. Perhaps they don't approve of your child's SLP but

are willing to bring in another outside SLP expert to work with the

staff. If they can't make it happen -and you allow them to try, it

will be an amicable way for them to agree to pay for the SLP you

already have and are happy with. You don't have to stop

there...outside of paying for an outside SLP you can even advocate

if needed for what my son had which is called " out of district

placement " (we transferred him from the public preschool to the

private preschool Summit Speech School in New Providence and the public school

paid the tuition)

=====

[Guest guest]

Hi Michele, Is your insurance paying for the private therapist? If yes, I would

discontinue the services at school and continue with the private therapist. I

would not hesitate to share with the school corporation why you are doing that.

The school must guarantee you speech therapy, but they don't have to guarnatee

that it will be " good " and " helpful " . Good luck with this.....Fay, Damon's

grandmother

[ ] How to get a school to pay for an outside ST?

I am looking for any success stories in getting a school district to

pay for an outside speech therapist instead of using there own? My

son has severe apraxia and we have been through a bunch of speech

therapist and 2 school districts and no one has gotten my son to

talk. Well during our last move we found an amazing speech

therapist who has made progress with my son. She has gotten so many

sounds and three letter words out of him. The problem is the school

speech therapist keeps making our son regress. She praises him for

an sound/utterence that comes out of his mouth, so he was saying up

for the outside therapist but at school is being praised for uppie.

The speech therapist at school is not good at all, our private

therapist had gone into the school to watch a therapy session and

was appauld. I almost want to say to the school we do not want your

services, but we feel they are owed to our son. I wish there was a

way I could get them to forgo there own therapist and let us use our

private one. Any way I can prove the school therapist does not have

the expertise needs. He is making progress, but only because

of his outside therapy and I do not want the school taking credit

for it.

Michele

[Guest guest]

Michele does your son have a communication book that goes back and

forth between all the professionals that work with your child? Is

your private SLP willing to reach out to your child's school SLP?

Is the school SLP willing to work with your child's private SLP? At

times as a parent it's best to put the professionals together rather

than saying that you as a parent of a 2 year old know what therapy

is good or horrible. Not that you don't know -but you may end up

insulting the school SLP who is using a technique she found to work

with others. I ran into the opposite in that the public school SLP

didn't approve of approximations while Tanner's private SLP did.

Having them discuss what techniques they are using with each other

is most appropriate.

How do you secure outside services if that is still what you want

after you explore the above and the private SLP concurs that the

school SLP is inexperienced with apraxia and completely unwilling to

accept any advice or new information to help (which again is

unlikely) You have to prove that the therapy provided by the school

is not appropriate. The school does not have to provide the " best "

therapy -just appropriate. But appropriate therapy for apraxia is

what is best. In order to secure outside service you need to have

an outside hero -SLP or neuroMD who can help track goals. Does your

son have written 1-3 or at least 6 month goals as well as 1 year

goals written by your child's private SLP? To secure outside

services being compensated by the public school you can also use a

special ed attorney or advocate.

But going back to the top....Most times you need to " play the game "

and give the school a chance to prove they can or can't do the right

thing. Give them enough rope as they say -and document everything

they do that is inappropriate if in fact what they are doing is

inappropriate. Perhaps they don't approve of your child's SLP but

are willing to bring in another outside SLP expert to work with the

staff. If they can't make it happen -and you allow them to try, it

will be an amicable way for them to agree to pay for the SLP you

already have and are happy with. You don't have to stop

there...outside of paying for an outside SLP you can even advocate

if needed for what my son had which is called " out of district

placement " (we transferred him from the public preschool to the

private preschool Summit Speech School in New Providence and the public school

paid the tuition)

=====

[Guest guest]

Hey :

I was reading your post and saw you got Tanner in the Summit school

which is out of district. I talked to the special ed

teacher/district assistant about out of district placement.

Landon's private therapist is the assistant director of a speech

preschool which is out of county/district. How were you able to

prove the services the school offered wasn't appropriate? When I

asked her about this she said, Oh, he will get services from the

school. Which he does, he gets two 30 minute sessions. She is

educated in apraxia and uses the Kaufman cards with him.

Tina

>

> Michele does your son have a communication book that goes back and

> forth between all the professionals that work with your child? Is

> your private SLP willing to reach out to your child's school SLP?

> Is the school SLP willing to work with your child's private SLP?

At

> times as a parent it's best to put the professionals together

rather

> than saying that you as a parent of a 2 year old know what therapy

> is good or horrible. Not that you don't know -but you may end up

> insulting the school SLP who is using a technique she found to work

> with others. I ran into the opposite in that the public school SLP

> didn't approve of approximations while Tanner's private SLP did.

> Having them discuss what techniques they are using with each other

> is most appropriate.

>

> How do you secure outside services if that is still what you want

> after you explore the above and the private SLP concurs that the

> school SLP is inexperienced with apraxia and completely unwilling

to

> accept any advice or new information to help (which again is

> unlikely) You have to prove that the therapy provided by the

school

> is not appropriate. The school does not have to provide the " best "

> therapy -just appropriate. But appropriate therapy for apraxia is

> what is best. In order to secure outside service you need to have

> an outside hero -SLP or neuroMD who can help track goals. Does

your

> son have written 1-3 or at least 6 month goals as well as 1 year

> goals written by your child's private SLP? To secure outside

> services being compensated by the public school you can also use a

> special ed attorney or advocate.

>

> But going back to the top....Most times you need to " play the game "

> and give the school a chance to prove they can or can't do the

right

> thing. Give them enough rope as they say -and document everything

> they do that is inappropriate if in fact what they are doing is

> inappropriate. Perhaps they don't approve of your child's SLP but

> are willing to bring in another outside SLP expert to work with the

> staff. If they can't make it happen -and you allow them to try, it

> will be an amicable way for them to agree to pay for the SLP you

> already have and are happy with. You don't have to stop

> there...outside of paying for an outside SLP you can even advocate

> if needed for what my son had which is called " out of district

> placement " (we transferred him from the public preschool to the

> private preschool Summit Speech School in New Providence and the

public school

> paid the tuition)

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Hey :

I was reading your post and saw you got Tanner in the Summit school

which is out of district. I talked to the special ed

teacher/district assistant about out of district placement.

Landon's private therapist is the assistant director of a speech

preschool which is out of county/district. How were you able to

prove the services the school offered wasn't appropriate? When I

asked her about this she said, Oh, he will get services from the

school. Which he does, he gets two 30 minute sessions. She is

educated in apraxia and uses the Kaufman cards with him.

Tina

>

> Michele does your son have a communication book that goes back and

> forth between all the professionals that work with your child? Is

> your private SLP willing to reach out to your child's school SLP?

> Is the school SLP willing to work with your child's private SLP?

At

> times as a parent it's best to put the professionals together

rather

> than saying that you as a parent of a 2 year old know what therapy

> is good or horrible. Not that you don't know -but you may end up

> insulting the school SLP who is using a technique she found to work

> with others. I ran into the opposite in that the public school SLP

> didn't approve of approximations while Tanner's private SLP did.

> Having them discuss what techniques they are using with each other

> is most appropriate.

>

> How do you secure outside services if that is still what you want

> after you explore the above and the private SLP concurs that the

> school SLP is inexperienced with apraxia and completely unwilling

to

> accept any advice or new information to help (which again is

> unlikely) You have to prove that the therapy provided by the

school

> is not appropriate. The school does not have to provide the " best "

> therapy -just appropriate. But appropriate therapy for apraxia is

> what is best. In order to secure outside service you need to have

> an outside hero -SLP or neuroMD who can help track goals. Does

your

> son have written 1-3 or at least 6 month goals as well as 1 year

> goals written by your child's private SLP? To secure outside

> services being compensated by the public school you can also use a

> special ed attorney or advocate.

>

> But going back to the top....Most times you need to " play the game "

> and give the school a chance to prove they can or can't do the

right

> thing. Give them enough rope as they say -and document everything

> they do that is inappropriate if in fact what they are doing is

> inappropriate. Perhaps they don't approve of your child's SLP but

> are willing to bring in another outside SLP expert to work with the

> staff. If they can't make it happen -and you allow them to try, it

> will be an amicable way for them to agree to pay for the SLP you

> already have and are happy with. You don't have to stop

> there...outside of paying for an outside SLP you can even advocate

> if needed for what my son had which is called " out of district

> placement " (we transferred him from the public preschool to the

> private preschool Summit Speech School in New Providence and the

public school

> paid the tuition)

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Me too -- please share! I feel that a private Prek is the right

situation for my son developmentally next year -- the only public

school solutions are:

a developmental preschool like this year (no academics),

developmental kindergarten -not peer or developmentally appropriate,

and

regular kindergarten - which he is not ready for.

Any insight you have would be great! It sounds like there are

several of us here with the same situation.

Thank you for your posts!

> >

> > Michele does your son have a communication book that goes back and

> > forth between all the professionals that work with your child? Is

> > your private SLP willing to reach out to your child's school SLP?

> > Is the school SLP willing to work with your child's private SLP?

> At

> > times as a parent it's best to put the professionals together

> rather

> > than saying that you as a parent of a 2 year old know what therapy

> > is good or horrible. Not that you don't know -but you may end up

> > insulting the school SLP who is using a technique she found to

work

> > with others. I ran into the opposite in that the public school

SLP

> > didn't approve of approximations while Tanner's private SLP did.

> > Having them discuss what techniques they are using with each other

> > is most appropriate.

> >

> > How do you secure outside services if that is still what you want

> > after you explore the above and the private SLP concurs that the

> > school SLP is inexperienced with apraxia and completely unwilling

> to

> > accept any advice or new information to help (which again is

> > unlikely) You have to prove that the therapy provided by the

> school

> > is not appropriate. The school does not have to provide

the " best "

> > therapy -just appropriate. But appropriate therapy for apraxia is

> > what is best. In order to secure outside service you need to have

> > an outside hero -SLP or neuroMD who can help track goals. Does

> your

> > son have written 1-3 or at least 6 month goals as well as 1 year

> > goals written by your child's private SLP? To secure outside

> > services being compensated by the public school you can also use a

> > special ed attorney or advocate.

> >

> > But going back to the top....Most times you need to " play the

game "

> > and give the school a chance to prove they can or can't do the

> right

> > thing. Give them enough rope as they say -and document everything

> > they do that is inappropriate if in fact what they are doing is

> > inappropriate. Perhaps they don't approve of your child's SLP but

> > are willing to bring in another outside SLP expert to work with

the

> > staff. If they can't make it happen -and you allow them to try,

it

> > will be an amicable way for them to agree to pay for the SLP you

> > already have and are happy with. You don't have to stop

> > there...outside of paying for an outside SLP you can even advocate

> > if needed for what my son had which is called " out of district

> > placement " (we transferred him from the public preschool to the

> > private preschool Summit Speech School in New Providence and the

> public school

> > paid the tuition)

> >

> > =====

> >

[Guest guest]

Me too -- please share! I feel that a private Prek is the right

situation for my son developmentally next year -- the only public

school solutions are:

a developmental preschool like this year (no academics),

developmental kindergarten -not peer or developmentally appropriate,

and

regular kindergarten - which he is not ready for.

Any insight you have would be great! It sounds like there are

several of us here with the same situation.

Thank you for your posts!

> >

> > Michele does your son have a communication book that goes back and

> > forth between all the professionals that work with your child? Is

> > your private SLP willing to reach out to your child's school SLP?

> > Is the school SLP willing to work with your child's private SLP?

> At

> > times as a parent it's best to put the professionals together

> rather

> > than saying that you as a parent of a 2 year old know what therapy

> > is good or horrible. Not that you don't know -but you may end up

> > insulting the school SLP who is using a technique she found to

work

> > with others. I ran into the opposite in that the public school

SLP

> > didn't approve of approximations while Tanner's private SLP did.

> > Having them discuss what techniques they are using with each other

> > is most appropriate.

> >

> > How do you secure outside services if that is still what you want

> > after you explore the above and the private SLP concurs that the

> > school SLP is inexperienced with apraxia and completely unwilling

> to

> > accept any advice or new information to help (which again is

> > unlikely) You have to prove that the therapy provided by the

> school

> > is not appropriate. The school does not have to provide

the " best "

> > therapy -just appropriate. But appropriate therapy for apraxia is

> > what is best. In order to secure outside service you need to have

> > an outside hero -SLP or neuroMD who can help track goals. Does

> your

> > son have written 1-3 or at least 6 month goals as well as 1 year

> > goals written by your child's private SLP? To secure outside

> > services being compensated by the public school you can also use a

> > special ed attorney or advocate.

> >

> > But going back to the top....Most times you need to " play the

game "

> > and give the school a chance to prove they can or can't do the

> right

> > thing. Give them enough rope as they say -and document everything

> > they do that is inappropriate if in fact what they are doing is

> > inappropriate. Perhaps they don't approve of your child's SLP but

> > are willing to bring in another outside SLP expert to work with

the

> > staff. If they can't make it happen -and you allow them to try,

it

> > will be an amicable way for them to agree to pay for the SLP you

> > already have and are happy with. You don't have to stop

> > there...outside of paying for an outside SLP you can even advocate

> > if needed for what my son had which is called " out of district

> > placement " (we transferred him from the public preschool to the

> > private preschool Summit Speech School in New Providence and the

> public school

> > paid the tuition)

> >

> > =====

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Mommtlc and Tina!

Hope these archives answer the questions on how we secured out of

district placement for Tanner (quite long -so just pull out what you

need) If not -I'm sure there are many more but at least this is a

start -let me know!

Re: Hearing impaired class with a hearing child

Hi Kristie!

Tanner has normal hearing and was preschooled at an oral based school

for the hearing impaired and deaf. (in out of district placement)

It's no secret that many hearing apraxics have been successfully

preschooled at schools for the hearing impaired since Tanner went

around 6 years ago. In fact Dr. Joan Sheppard of Columbia spoke on

this topic at an ASHA conference in 2001 (for the CCC SLPs here -you

can find that information under lock and key at the ASHA website at

the let's not let anyone know what speech impairments closed to

everyone that needs it even SLPs without the CCCs section)

Problem is that in many parts of the world today there are more

apraxics than hearing impaired children -and those that have strong

advocacy and funding for 'just' the hearing impaired and deaf

populations don't want their children's schools changed. And

problem is that there is no funding for apraxia...or really just

about any speech impairments outside of hearing impairments and

today autism. If your child's speech impaired and autistic or

hearing impaired the school's got your child's back. If he's not

either of those two things, sorry.

Autism schools are good for those with autism -that's about it.

Hearing impaired schools such as the Association Method schools

which was based off a model of a school for the hearing impaired,

are proven to be great for all with speech impairments. What can

you do if they don't let you in? Buy hearing aids for your child.

Just kidding I think. Many do report to the schools that the child

has " numerous " ear infections during the child's development which

affected the child's hearing and speech. It works for both those

that say that truthfully and those that lie to get their child into

the program that helps.

Below are many many more archives on this. I'm just so thrilled

that Tanner was able to be schooled at a school for the hearing

impaired before the hearing impaired population decided they no

longer wanted to take in hearing speech impaired children.

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:43 am

Subject: Re: Need IEP advice - is this legal? kiddietalk

Hi !

In addition to less expensive therapy sessions through ish

Rite -if there is a University that has a speech and language

program near you -they too probably offer therapy services at

nominal fees that are preformed by graduate students and overseen by

a PhD in the department.

If you visit Speechville and put in your state for resources you can

find a list of Universities and so much more!

http://www.speechville.com/regional-resources.html

support groups

http://www.speechville.com/communication-station/regional-support-groups.html

When you seek out of district placement -the cool thing is that you

don't have to only search other school districts, you can also

search private schools. I have found over the years in this group

that many of us had the best experience and success with our children

with more severe speech impairments in schools for the hearing

impaired. Personally I prefer the oral based schools based on our

experience and those in this group with the Summit Speech School in

New Providence, NJ. Here's a list of some others

http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/

http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/index-list.html

Here's one for ville

http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/clarkej/index.html

and one for North Carolina

http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/castle/index.html

The Association Method School which is another awesome option if

it's around where one of you lives was by the way also started at a

school for the hearing impaired.

http://www.usm.edu/dubard/associat.html

The best thing about schools for the hearing impaired besides the

awesome multisensory approaches to therapy and teaching, is the lack

of any negative attitude towards those children who are essentially

nonverbal. Professionals working with hearing impaired and deaf

children are perfectly aware that just because a child is not

speaking does not mean that child is not learning...or feeling.

That in itself is just so powerful. Also for those of you that

wonder -almost zero of the children that attended the Summit Speech

School from this group like my son Tanner had any hearing impairment

at all.

How to get your child in? Not that I'm telling you to say this but I

happen to know that politically it helped for some parents to talk

about the frequent ear infections that their child had which they

were told probably affected hearing while the child's speech was

developing. To be honest -frequent ear infections is a subjective

statement. What's frequent to me may not be to you. Some of those

parents for example 'may' have thought that once a year was

frequent. Bottom line is that if word got out that the school was

at one point only 50% apraxic vs hearing impaired -funds could be

cut. Because there is no funding for apraxia in the area of

education either, as there is for say schools for educating the

hearing impaired, autistic, or visually impaired.

But again when you call the school -you may have to cof (say your

child had frequent ear infections that probably affected his or her

hearing at some point which is probably true technically speaking)

cof.

And -I had to laugh when you wrote about the testing

mechanisms that show progress in the program no matter what. I'm

not sure if this is one of those crazy old testing mechanisms or

not -but it reminded me of when Tanner was in our town school's

preschool disabled program for around 4 months while we were

advocating to get him pulled out and put into out of district

placement at the Summit Speech School. Well the town school SLP

started writing things in Tanner's communication book like " Today

Tanner asked " Can I have a pretzel please " and this was at the same

time that Tanner was saying " ti ti ti ti me? " for " Can I have a

little bit " A time where Tanner was unable to even say the " K "

sound at all -so at best it would have been " den " not " can " At

that point while I had that knot in my stomach leaving him in this

school with these professionals who were treating him so

inappropriately (some of you have read here how Tanner was punished

with their behavioral approaches to his apraxia -it's in the

archives) I was at the school each day watching and observing

through the two way glass window and said " You heard Tanner say not

the just word " pretzel " which would be amazing in itself -but the

entire sentence of " Can I have a pretzel? " ....and he even said

please?!! I've never heard him say anything and I'm watching all

day through the glass! " The response? " Yes, he said the entire

sentence and I heard it " Then she added that he said it quietly and

they were sitting at a desk away from the window at the time so I

probably didn't hear it, but that he was speaking in sentences to

this SLP each day. Of course on tape during an IEP meeting when

confronted with this -the SLP said that perhaps he wasn't exactly

saying sentences each day, but that she was able to understand what

he was saying to her.

Funny thing is that when Tanner was switched to out of district

placement at the Summit Speech School I no longer observed him that

often in school -just here and there so that I could smile. My gut

was happy -and even better was Tanner was happy and doing well -

which of course he still is and I credit to his early head start

there. Anyone that had a child in that school knows what I mean -it

was just awesome and we all wish that they schooled kids up to HS!

Kanter is the one that taught me " how to play the game " with

the school. She helped us get Tanner into the out of district

placement at the Summit Speech School when he was the only child

there with apraxia that was not hearing impaired. Never knowing it

would lead to a slew of others. She used to pass me at school

functions and whisper in my ear as she passed " lose my number " and

we would both laugh.

As you can see at the Inside Edition interview -in spite of helping

our children -she never wanted anyone to know just how many apraxic

children were in the school.

http://www.cherab.org/news/insideedition.html

Here in this more recent interview with her before her death -at a

time where I heard through the grapevine that there was close to a

50 -50 ratio to hearing impaired vs apraxic children - was

still playing and not letting on that she secretly was helping so

many children find a voice that were not hearing impaired. She

really had such a huge heart and wanted to help all children find

their voice - not just hearing impaired! God Bless you where

ever you are today -you are so missed by me that just saying your

name brings tears to my eyes.

http://www.healthyhearing.com/library/interview_content.asp?interview_id=97

Sadly today I hear that Summit Speech School is no longer taking

children with apraxia into the school who are not hearing impaired.

It also appears that 's name is not even acknowledged after

all that woman did to make that school what it was. All I can say

is thankfully those of you with children with frequent ear

infections that affected your apraxic child's hearing while his or

her speech was developing at least are still able to get in.

Got to run but hope that helps a bit more for now!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mommtlc and Tina!

Hope these archives answer the questions on how we secured out of

district placement for Tanner (quite long -so just pull out what you

need) If not -I'm sure there are many more but at least this is a

start -let me know!

Re: Hearing impaired class with a hearing child

Hi Kristie!

Tanner has normal hearing and was preschooled at an oral based school

for the hearing impaired and deaf. (in out of district placement)

It's no secret that many hearing apraxics have been successfully

preschooled at schools for the hearing impaired since Tanner went

around 6 years ago. In fact Dr. Joan Sheppard of Columbia spoke on

this topic at an ASHA conference in 2001 (for the CCC SLPs here -you

can find that information under lock and key at the ASHA website at

the let's not let anyone know what speech impairments closed to

everyone that needs it even SLPs without the CCCs section)

Problem is that in many parts of the world today there are more

apraxics than hearing impaired children -and those that have strong

advocacy and funding for 'just' the hearing impaired and deaf

populations don't want their children's schools changed. And

problem is that there is no funding for apraxia...or really just

about any speech impairments outside of hearing impairments and

today autism. If your child's speech impaired and autistic or

hearing impaired the school's got your child's back. If he's not

either of those two things, sorry.

Autism schools are good for those with autism -that's about it.

Hearing impaired schools such as the Association Method schools

which was based off a model of a school for the hearing impaired,

are proven to be great for all with speech impairments. What can

you do if they don't let you in? Buy hearing aids for your child.

Just kidding I think. Many do report to the schools that the child

has " numerous " ear infections during the child's development which

affected the child's hearing and speech. It works for both those

that say that truthfully and those that lie to get their child into

the program that helps.

Below are many many more archives on this. I'm just so thrilled

that Tanner was able to be schooled at a school for the hearing

impaired before the hearing impaired population decided they no

longer wanted to take in hearing speech impaired children.

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:43 am

Subject: Re: Need IEP advice - is this legal? kiddietalk

Hi !

In addition to less expensive therapy sessions through ish

Rite -if there is a University that has a speech and language

program near you -they too probably offer therapy services at

nominal fees that are preformed by graduate students and overseen by

a PhD in the department.

If you visit Speechville and put in your state for resources you can

find a list of Universities and so much more!

http://www.speechville.com/regional-resources.html

support groups

http://www.speechville.com/communication-station/regional-support-groups.html

When you seek out of district placement -the cool thing is that you

don't have to only search other school districts, you can also

search private schools. I have found over the years in this group

that many of us had the best experience and success with our children

with more severe speech impairments in schools for the hearing

impaired. Personally I prefer the oral based schools based on our

experience and those in this group with the Summit Speech School in

New Providence, NJ. Here's a list of some others

http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/

http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/index-list.html

Here's one for ville

http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/clarkej/index.html

and one for North Carolina

http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/castle/index.html

The Association Method School which is another awesome option if

it's around where one of you lives was by the way also started at a

school for the hearing impaired.

http://www.usm.edu/dubard/associat.html

The best thing about schools for the hearing impaired besides the

awesome multisensory approaches to therapy and teaching, is the lack

of any negative attitude towards those children who are essentially

nonverbal. Professionals working with hearing impaired and deaf

children are perfectly aware that just because a child is not

speaking does not mean that child is not learning...or feeling.

That in itself is just so powerful. Also for those of you that

wonder -almost zero of the children that attended the Summit Speech

School from this group like my son Tanner had any hearing impairment

at all.

How to get your child in? Not that I'm telling you to say this but I

happen to know that politically it helped for some parents to talk

about the frequent ear infections that their child had which they

were told probably affected hearing while the child's speech was

developing. To be honest -frequent ear infections is a subjective

statement. What's frequent to me may not be to you. Some of those

parents for example 'may' have thought that once a year was

frequent. Bottom line is that if word got out that the school was

at one point only 50% apraxic vs hearing impaired -funds could be

cut. Because there is no funding for apraxia in the area of

education either, as there is for say schools for educating the

hearing impaired, autistic, or visually impaired.

But again when you call the school -you may have to cof (say your

child had frequent ear infections that probably affected his or her

hearing at some point which is probably true technically speaking)

cof.

And -I had to laugh when you wrote about the testing

mechanisms that show progress in the program no matter what. I'm

not sure if this is one of those crazy old testing mechanisms or

not -but it reminded me of when Tanner was in our town school's

preschool disabled program for around 4 months while we were

advocating to get him pulled out and put into out of district

placement at the Summit Speech School. Well the town school SLP

started writing things in Tanner's communication book like " Today

Tanner asked " Can I have a pretzel please " and this was at the same

time that Tanner was saying " ti ti ti ti me? " for " Can I have a

little bit " A time where Tanner was unable to even say the " K "

sound at all -so at best it would have been " den " not " can " At

that point while I had that knot in my stomach leaving him in this

school with these professionals who were treating him so

inappropriately (some of you have read here how Tanner was punished

with their behavioral approaches to his apraxia -it's in the

archives) I was at the school each day watching and observing

through the two way glass window and said " You heard Tanner say not

the just word " pretzel " which would be amazing in itself -but the

entire sentence of " Can I have a pretzel? " ....and he even said

please?!! I've never heard him say anything and I'm watching all

day through the glass! " The response? " Yes, he said the entire

sentence and I heard it " Then she added that he said it quietly and

they were sitting at a desk away from the window at the time so I

probably didn't hear it, but that he was speaking in sentences to

this SLP each day. Of course on tape during an IEP meeting when

confronted with this -the SLP said that perhaps he wasn't exactly

saying sentences each day, but that she was able to understand what

he was saying to her.

Funny thing is that when Tanner was switched to out of district

placement at the Summit Speech School I no longer observed him that

often in school -just here and there so that I could smile. My gut

was happy -and even better was Tanner was happy and doing well -

which of course he still is and I credit to his early head start

there. Anyone that had a child in that school knows what I mean -it

was just awesome and we all wish that they schooled kids up to HS!

Kanter is the one that taught me " how to play the game " with

the school. She helped us get Tanner into the out of district

placement at the Summit Speech School when he was the only child

there with apraxia that was not hearing impaired. Never knowing it

would lead to a slew of others. She used to pass me at school

functions and whisper in my ear as she passed " lose my number " and

we would both laugh.

As you can see at the Inside Edition interview -in spite of helping

our children -she never wanted anyone to know just how many apraxic

children were in the school.

http://www.cherab.org/news/insideedition.html

Here in this more recent interview with her before her death -at a

time where I heard through the grapevine that there was close to a

50 -50 ratio to hearing impaired vs apraxic children - was

still playing and not letting on that she secretly was helping so

many children find a voice that were not hearing impaired. She

really had such a huge heart and wanted to help all children find

their voice - not just hearing impaired! God Bless you where

ever you are today -you are so missed by me that just saying your

name brings tears to my eyes.

http://www.healthyhearing.com/library/interview_content.asp?interview_id=97

Sadly today I hear that Summit Speech School is no longer taking

children with apraxia into the school who are not hearing impaired.

It also appears that 's name is not even acknowledged after

all that woman did to make that school what it was. All I can say

is thankfully those of you with children with frequent ear

infections that affected your apraxic child's hearing while his or

her speech was developing at least are still able to get in.

Got to run but hope that helps a bit more for now!

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