Re: hamburger values - Bill

[Guest guest]

So, Bill, what are good red meat options? I use so much turkey, chicken and

fish, but when the carnitine issue came up, and using red meat as a natural help

in this area, I am glad to do it. On the planner is listed LEAN Broiled pork

chop, LEAN ground beef...

Any ideas? I know you don't use red meat. Some are almost fat free, like

buffalo. .

Bill Barber torontobarber@...> wrote:

Two problems

1. Calculations are difficult as there is a great variety in how much

fat is in what you are using and what is given in the food values, plus

there is an uncertainty about the cooking and serving methods. Not what

you want on the diet.

2. You are giving a lot of fat in the diet and cholesterol levels are

very high for a long period of time. There is little knowledge of this

situation. Giving animal fat as one of the sources could make this

situation worse, better to use less harmful vegetable sources.

Bill

dyhopper@... wrote:

> Newbie question:

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> Why are we to use lean hamburger? Of course I'd normally rather feed my son

lean beef, but we actually went out of our way to find beef with the most fat in

it, thinking it would be easier to get the fats in him and he wouldn't have to

take as much cream.

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[Guest guest]

You are asking the wrong person. I know nothing about carnitine. It

isn't mentioned in my AMA Family Medicine Guide and Dr. Freeman's book

doesn't recommend it unless the child is tired, frail and not doing

well, has frequent illnesses. Then it is tried for one month. If there

is a deficiency, there should be a marked improvement.

I don't know where natural sources are. If it is red meat, I take your

word for it. Yes, certainly use low fat sources of red meat. If you are

concerned with accuracy of the diet, then weigh raw meat and use those

values, cook so that nothing is lost, e.g. fry in a pan, scrape out

everything with a spatula.

I wonder it the carnitine issue is for some people, really an issue of a

lack of vitamins and minerals or something else.

Bill

Falk wrote:

> So, Bill, what are good red meat options? I use so much turkey, chicken and

fish, but when the carnitine issue came up, and using red meat as a natural help

in this area, I am glad to do it. On the planner is listed LEAN Broiled pork

chop, LEAN ground beef...

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> Any ideas? I know you don't use red meat. Some are almost fat free, like

buffalo. .

[Guest guest]

At 2.5:1 there is a big difference in the amount of fat, but still a

lack of nutrients. There is some in the food of course. We liked

Wholelife as it is made especially for the keto diet with input from

doctors at Stanford.

It takes about 3 to 4 months at 4:1 ratio for the hair to start falling

out. At 2.5:1 it will likely take a little longer.

Bill

Falk wrote:

> I don't know....

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> Right now I am trying to get all the supplements in place. There are so many

things added to them, that it is not easy and have asked WholeLife for a product

list that I am awaiting. So far am supplementing biotin and magnesium. Need a

good selenium supplement, as I really don't want her hair falling out!!! At a

2.5 : 1 ratio, the oils/fats don't seem so bad, as most are in her cream

allotment. Or, maybe I am just getting accustomed to it all.??? .

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