Re: affecting or effecting?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I found another reference that might be a little bit clearer.

<A HREF= " http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_spelprob.html " >Click

here: Spelling: Accept/Except and Affect/Effect</A>

Hope this one helps, as well.

Leesa

[Guest guest]

It would be affect, which is always a verb. Effect can be either a verb or

noun. From the sentence, I think it should be affect.

Virginia

angelseas@...

[Guest guest]

> " The patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance vision

> affecting/effecting his driving and TV viewing. "

First, determine if the word is being used as a verb or a noun. Verb form

affect (to influence). The word affect is seldom used as a noun except in

psychiatry (emotional reactions). Noun form: effect (result).

Source: Medical Transcription Techniques & Procedures by Diehl & Fordney

[Guest guest]

Where is Valeria when we need her?

[Guest guest]

that's what I thought, also (affect), but got told it was incorrect.

PS- In psychiatry, AFFECT can be a noun ( " mood and AFFect " ).......

Jaimy

Jaimy

M-TEC Student

AIM: Jaimy54

Yahoo: Jrzygirl1970

reply to: jaimy.mokos@...

___________________________

The best thing is doing what others say cannot be done. -Anonymous

Re: affecting or effecting?

It would be affect, which is always a verb. Effect can be either a verb or

noun. From the sentence, I think it should be affect.

Virginia

angelseas@...

[Guest guest]

Yup she should have come back today.

[Guest guest]

You're not being ridiculous at all. I just thought I was correct with

" affect " , so that is the only reason I posted it. Now I want to know if I

was incorrect or not, too.....lol! Hey, at least this way, we will NEVER

forget! LOL!

Jaimy

Re: affecting or effecting?

I even dug out my Gregg Reference Manual, and it wasn't much help,

particularly since the forms of affecting/effecting were not used in a

sentence, so I'm STILL not positive which is correct, other than the note

at

mw.com stating that affect is usually the emotional/psych term, and rarely

used other than that, which was what led me to believe effecting would be

correct. My supervisor is still researching it also, so I'll let everyone

know what I hear back from her.

I DO appreciate everyone's response, and I know it probably seems I'm

being

totally ridiculous, but I just want to make absolutely certain that I

never

get " dinged " by QA for this particular word. <sigh>

Jan

jantranscribes@...

" Typing is my life. "

" Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

Re: affecting or effecting?

>

>

> It would be affect, which is always a verb. Effect can be either a

verb

or

> noun. From the sentence, I think it should be affect.

>

> Virginia

> angelseas@...

>

>

[Guest guest]

I even dug out my Gregg Reference Manual, and it wasn't much help,

particularly since the forms of affecting/effecting were not used in a

sentence, so I'm STILL not positive which is correct, other than the note at

mw.com stating that affect is usually the emotional/psych term, and rarely

used other than that, which was what led me to believe effecting would be

correct. My supervisor is still researching it also, so I'll let everyone

know what I hear back from her.

I DO appreciate everyone's response, and I know it probably seems I'm being

totally ridiculous, but I just want to make absolutely certain that I never

get " dinged " by QA for this particular word. <sigh>

Jan

jantranscribes@...

" Typing is my life. "

" Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

Re: affecting or effecting?

>

>

> It would be affect, which is always a verb. Effect can be either a verb

or

> noun. From the sentence, I think it should be affect.

>

> Virginia

> angelseas@...

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know, my head is killing me now, too! ;-) but, I still think we were

right with " affect " (Documentation is always good, though).....good luck,

Jan!

J

Jaimy

M-TEC Student

AIM: Jaimy54

Yahoo: Jrzygirl1970

reply to: jaimy.mokos@...

___________________________

The best thing is doing what others say cannot be done. -Anonymous

Re: affecting or effecting?

I'm sure you are correct that we won't ever forget it! I should also

mention that in addition to my fear of being dinged by QA, I would also

very

much appreciate having documentation for the correct answer in case I ever

do get dinged by them, I can happily say " Nope, I'm right and here's my

documentation. " nonny-nonny boo boo as my kids would say

Now I have a nasty headache.. gee.. I wonder why?

Jan

jantranscribes@...

" Typing is my life. "

" Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

Re: affecting or effecting?

> >

> >

> > It would be affect, which is always a verb. Effect can be either a

> verb

> or

> > noun. From the sentence, I think it should be affect.

> >

> > Virginia

> > angelseas@...

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm sure you are correct that we won't ever forget it! I should also

mention that in addition to my fear of being dinged by QA, I would also very

much appreciate having documentation for the correct answer in case I ever

do get dinged by them, I can happily say " Nope, I'm right and here's my

documentation. " nonny-nonny boo boo as my kids would say

Now I have a nasty headache.. gee.. I wonder why?

Jan

jantranscribes@...

" Typing is my life. "

" Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

Re: affecting or effecting?

> >

> >

> > It would be affect, which is always a verb. Effect can be either a

> verb

> or

> > noun. From the sentence, I think it should be affect.

> >

> > Virginia

> > angelseas@...

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, but she also told me she's still researching it, which I should have

mentioned.. she was just giving me her opinion, so don't worry, no shooting

will happen

Hmm.. thanks for the suggestion about Rennie's website.. I hadn't thought of

that. I'll have to go dig around and see if I have a link to it somewhere.

Jan

jantranscribes@...

" Typing is my life. "

" Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

affecting or effecting?

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>I should know this but I'm having a senior moment and looking it

> >up

> >>in

> >>>the

> >>>>dictionary is just confusing me even more. This is a sentence in

> >>>>indications prior to an op note for cataract removal.

> >>>>

> >>>> " The patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance

> >vision

> >>>>affecting/effecting his driving and TV viewing. "

> >>>>

> >>>>Thanks in advance.

> >>>>Jan

> >>>>jantranscribes@...

> >>>> " Typing is my life. "

> >>>> " Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

[Guest guest]

Spain, wasn't it?

Re: affecting or effecting?

Where is Valeria when we need her?

[Guest guest]

The emotional response is pronounced totally different than 'affect'. You

would pronounce it as 'AF ekt', such as a flattened affect.

When you affect a situation, you have an effect on it.

**affect - to produce a change in; to infuence; to assume; pretend (verb)

**effect - to bring about (verb)

** effect - the result, impression (noun)

HINT: In place of the words affect and effect, mentally substitute their

meanings. The sentence will make sense only if the correct meaning is

substituted.

Examples:

I hope this cold weather will not affect (influence) my health.

Chucky affects (assumes) a French accent with ease.

The President tried to effect (bring about) a change in the tax

system.

The cold weather had an adverse effect (result) on my health.

Effect, the noun - Effect is an effect, consequence, or result which is

produced, usually more or less immediately and directly. Ex: The effect of

morphine is to produce sleep. Morphine produces the effect of sleep.

Effect, the verb - to bring about or cause, e.g., " to effect change. " (My

personal observation is that you do not really hear this one very often and

if you do, it is almost always phrased " to effect change " ) The difference

between this and the verb affect is that effect is not done *to* something;

it just brings something to be.

Affect, the noun - for us, this is normally used in psychological context,

where affect = feeling or emotion, or a person's inward disposition. In

this context it is most often pronounced " AF " ekt. " " The patient had a flat

affect. "

Affect, the verb - to produce an effect or change in. Yes, this sounds a

lot like effect the verb, but remember, and something affects something, it

is doing it *to* something. I think if you can substitute " produce a change

in " for affect, you will know you have to right one.

** " Heat affected the lab results. " (produced a change in the results)

** " The alcohol affected his judgment. "

c

-- Re: affecting or effecting?

My supervisor tells me it's effecting... and the way to tell is to reword

the sentence... It effects his TV viewing. It wouldn't be it affects his TV

viewing. Affect is an emotional response, which of course is possible if one

is watching a tear jerker movie, but in this case, we're talking about this

patient's cataracts causing the effect of reduced vision. Geez! Hopefully

we'll hear from Ms. Valeria on this issue.

Jan

jantranscribes@...

" Typing is my life. "

" Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

affecting or effecting?

> > >

> > >

> > > I should know this but I'm having a senior moment and looking it

up

> in

> > the

> > > dictionary is just confusing me even more. This is a sentence in

> > > indications prior to an op note for cataract removal.

> > >

> > > " The patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance

vision

> > > affecting/effecting his driving and TV viewing. "

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance.

> > > Jan

> > > jantranscribes@...

> > > " Typing is my life. "

> > > " Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Because a supervising is telling you to use " effect " then you have to

do it that way. But...(don't shoot me please)....I think it should be

" affecting "

Referencing from " Sleeping Dogs Don't Lay " by Lederer and Dowis

To AFFECT something is to exert influence on it. In your example

something is AFFECTING the patient's TV viewing.

To EFFECT something is to make it actually happen. EFFECT as a noun is

a result.

When something AFFECTS you, it has an EFFECT upon you.

EFFECT is almost always a noun, while AFFECT is almost always a

verb....except in psychiatry.

Hope this helps instead of confusing further! Doesn't Rennie have

something on this in the files on the website?

Sylvia Roller

M-TEC Student - Session 4-5

gentlsong@...

AIM: Jntlsong

>My supervisor tells me it's effecting... and the way to tell is to

>reword

>the sentence... It effects his TV viewing. It wouldn't be it

>affects his TV

>viewing. Affect is an emotional response, which of course is

>possible if one

>is watching a tear jerker movie, but in this case, we're talking

>about this

>patient's cataracts causing the effect of reduced vision. Geez!

>Hopefully

>we'll hear from Ms. Valeria on this issue.

>

>Jan

>jantranscribes@...

> " Typing is my life. "

> " Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

>

> affecting or effecting?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>I should know this but I'm having a senior moment and looking it

>up

>>in

>>>the

>>>>dictionary is just confusing me even more. This is a sentence in

>>>>indications prior to an op note for cataract removal.

>>>>

>>>> " The patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance

>vision

>>>>affecting/effecting his driving and TV viewing. "

>>>>

>>>>Thanks in advance.

>>>>Jan

>>>>jantranscribes@...

>>>> " Typing is my life. "

>>>> " Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

I actually meant the list website on Yahoo. She probably says about

the same thing Margaret gave from the old email though.

Sylvia Roller

M-TEC Student - Session 4-5

gentlsong@...

AIM: Jntlsong

>Yes, but she also told me she's still researching it, which I should

>have

>mentioned.. she was just giving me her opinion, so don't worry, no

>shooting

>will happen

>

>Hmm.. thanks for the suggestion about Rennie's website.. I hadn't

>thought of

>that. I'll have to go dig around and see if I have a link to it

>somewhere.

>

>Jan

>jantranscribes@...

> " Typing is my life. "

> " Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

>

> affecting or effecting?

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>I should know this but I'm having a senior moment and looking it

>>>up

>>>>in

>>>>>the

>>>>>>dictionary is just confusing me even more. This is a sentence

>>>>>>in

>>>>>>indications prior to an op note for cataract removal.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> " The patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance

>>>vision

>>>>>>affecting/effecting his driving and TV viewing. "

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Thanks in advance.

>>>>>>Jan

>>>>>>jantranscribes@...

>>>>>> " Typing is my life. "

>>>>>> " Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I don't think that's a good idea just because the supervisor says 'effect'

is correct, when it definitely is not. I might use it and flag it, but I

certainly would give her documentation otherwise.

c

-------Original Message-------

Jan,

Because a supervising is telling you to use " effect " then you have to

do it that way. But...(don't shoot me please)....I think it should be

" affecting "

[Guest guest]

Here I come to save the day! Mighty Mouth!

Okay, here's the deal: The original sentence is: " The patient complains

of difficulty with decreased distance

vision affecting/effecting his driving and TV viewing. "

The word you want is " affecting. " Let's work through a logical sequence of

thought to see WHY it is " affecting. "

First, you can eliminate the two noun uses, because what you want here is

the verb usage and discussion of the nouns is immaterial.

Second, consider synonyms for the two verbs: AFFECTING = influencing or

altering. EFFECTING = causing.

Let's reword the sentence using each of the synonyms:

1. " The patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance vision

influencing or altering his driving and TV viewing. "

2. " The patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance vision

causing his driving and TV viewing. "

To me, the second sentence makes no sense, and the first one makes

sense. Ergo, the synonym you want is the synonym for " influencing or

altering, " which is " affecting. "

Third, you will run into AFFECT and EFFECT as verbs in the present

tense. Use the same thought process: AFFECT = (to) influence or (to)

alter. EFFECT = (to) cause.

Let's consider a slight alteration in verb tense of the dictation: " The

patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance vision that

affects/effects his driving and TV viewing. " Again, consider the two

alternatives:

1. " The patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance vision

that influences or alters his driving and TV viewing. "

2. " The patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance vision

that causes his driving and TV viewing. "

Sentence 1 makes sense; sentence 2 makes no sense. The verb to use is

" affect. "

By the way, your supervisor must have started the day without enough

caffeine in his/her system, as the argument put forth is illogical. The

decreased distance vision in fact does AFFECT (influence or alter) his TV

viewing. Something else, some motivation of his own, EFFECTS (causes) his

TV viewing. Your supervisor has segued into the noun use (which remember,

is immaterial when discussing the verb use). So let's take a look at the

uses of the nouns AFFECT and EFFECT.

AFFECT means visible or outward evidence of feelings or emotions.

EFFECT means the result of some action (CAUSE and EFFECT).

Consider this statement concerning the aforementioned patient: The

patient's difficulty with decreased distance vision affecting his driving

and TV viewing IS THE EFFECT (result) OF HIS/HER HAVING CATARACTS (cause).

At 06:04 PM 6/23/2003, Jantranscribes wrote:

>My supervisor tells me it's effecting... and the way to tell is to reword

>the sentence... It effects his TV viewing. It wouldn't be it affects his TV

>viewing. Affect is an emotional response, which of course is possible if one

>is watching a tear jerker movie, but in this case, we're talking about this

>patient's cataracts causing the effect of reduced vision. Geez! Hopefully

>we'll hear from Ms. Valeria on this issue.

>

>Jan

>jantranscribes@...

> " Typing is my life. "

> " Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

>

> affecting or effecting?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I should know this but I'm having a senior moment and looking it

>up

> > in

> > > the

> > > > dictionary is just confusing me even more. This is a sentence in

> > > > indications prior to an op note for cataract removal.

> > > >

> > > > " The patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance

>vision

> > > > affecting/effecting his driving and TV viewing. "

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance.

> > > > Jan

> > > > jantranscribes@...

> > > > " Typing is my life. "

> > > > " Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

Valeria D. Truitt

Curriculum Coordinator and Lead Instructor

Medical Office Administration

Craven Community College

800 College Court

New Bern, NC 28562

Phone:

[Guest guest]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I knew you'd save the day with an

explanation I could understand. I just had a major senior moment/brain

block yesterday and nothing made sense to me. Thanks again I'm saving

this for future reference

Jan

jantranscribes@...

" Typing is my life. "

" Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

affecting or effecting?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I should know this but I'm having a senior moment and looking

it

> >up

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > dictionary is just confusing me even more. This is a sentence

in

> > > > > indications prior to an op note for cataract removal.

> > > > >

> > > > > " The patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance

> >vision

> > > > > affecting/effecting his driving and TV viewing. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks in advance.

> > > > > Jan

> > > > > jantranscribes@...

> > > > > " Typing is my life. "

> > > > > " Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

>

> Valeria D. Truitt

> Curriculum Coordinator and Lead Instructor

> Medical Office Administration

> Craven Community College

> 800 College Court

> New Bern, NC 28562

> Phone:

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome back. I am envious of anyone who gets you for a teacher. This is

super. I too am bolding and saving.

Aliceanne

At 10:44 AM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Thank you, thank you, thank you. I knew you'd save the day with an

>explanation I could understand. I just had a major senior moment/brain

>block yesterday and nothing made sense to me. Thanks again I'm saving

>this for future reference

>

>Jan

>jantranscribes@...

> " Typing is my life. "

> " Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

>

> affecting or effecting?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I should know this but I'm having a senior moment and looking

>it

> > >up

> > > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > dictionary is just confusing me even more. This is a sentence

>in

> > > > > > indications prior to an op note for cataract removal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " The patient complains of difficulty with decreased distance

> > >vision

> > > > > > affecting/effecting his driving and TV viewing. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks in advance.

> > > > > > Jan

> > > > > > jantranscribes@...

> > > > > > " Typing is my life. "

> > > > > > " Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

> >

> > Valeria D. Truitt

> > Curriculum Coordinator and Lead Instructor

> > Medical Office Administration

> > Craven Community College

> > 800 College Court

> > New Bern, NC 28562

> > Phone:

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Okay, since everyone is voting, I vote for affecting! lol

Rennie

www.renesue.com

[Guest guest]

Mighty mouth! LOL!

Welcome back, Valeria!! )

Rennie

www.renesue.com

Re: affecting or effecting?

Here I come to save the day! Mighty Mouth!

[Guest guest]

LOL! No, I promise I didn't!!

Been catching up on list mail during lunch!

hehe

Rennie

www.renesue.com

Re: affecting or effecting?

> Okay, since everyone is voting, I vote for affecting! lol

>

> Rennie

> www.renesue.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh sure.. AFTER you read Valeria's take on it! LOL

Jan

jantranscribes@...

" Typing is my life. "

" Whoever signs the paycheck makes the rules. "

Re: affecting or effecting?

> Okay, since everyone is voting, I vote for affecting! lol

>

> Rennie

> www.renesue.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Aliceanne, You can be jealous of me because she's my teacher and I'm not

sharing. LOL! Just kidding! Glad to see she made it back safely.

Dyan

[Guest guest]

Well, okay. LOL! Dyan