Re: Atkins Diet/Rhonda

[Guest guest]

Rhonda,

We give unlimited meats, cheeses, eggs (which he hardly eats)unlimited

veggies (no corn, beans potatoes etc the high carb veggies), jello. We also

give

him unlimited butter and cream and nuts and essentially push the fats to the

extent that he will allow. He eats melted butter with everything. He is so

used

to it that he won't eat without it. We go to restaurants and order him a

grilled meat (steak or chicken usually) and bring along his veggies and butter

for them to melt.

His ketones are moderate to large every night and he does great with it. It

keeps his appetite suppressed. I always know that if he is getting hungry he

must not have good ketosis. The key for us to be successful with this is to

rotate foods. He goes on hot dog binges for 2 weeks but then you can tell he's

losing his interest with them so we switch. He eats alot of salmon, tilapia,

steak, pork chops and chicken on the grill with grilled veggies and butter.

He always has opocorn with butter before he goes to bed and we give him a 1 cup

serving with 2T butter.

I really think the key to our success with it is that it really is following

the keto protocol with the food choices. We are really doing a keto like diet

without weighing the food. We get into trouble when we add the other low

carb food because he stops eating the other stuff and his ketones go down. It

is

a vicious cycle for us that we have finally accpeted that he will probably be

on this diet for a long time. The alternative is seizures and we don't want

to go down that road. We are blessed that we have control with the diet.

Does your son determine how much fat he is going to eat or does he eat just

whatever you give him (you in a sense controlling how much fats he eats)?

We don't weigh it but he gets it with every meal. Butter is his " gravy " as

he calls it and he gets upset if we don't have it. His snacks have cream in

them so we're covered in that reagrd to. We make cream popsicles and ice cream

with jello and sug free pudding.

Perhaps our next step is to allow unlimited protein, limit the carbs to

20-23g, and make sure she gets a set amount of fat. The fats we are using

are olive oil (cold pressed, extra virgin) butter, cheese and nuts. As long

as we are using various types of foods that contain both fats and carbs

(nuts and cheese) it may be a while before we can get away from using a meal

planner and calculating.

Have you ever tried to just take away the scale and use the same foods while

still adding the fat?? What carbs are you using?? Are you using any net carb

products or atkins baking stuff??

Keep me posted and good luck to you!

[Guest guest]

Rhonda--

Can you explain more about the ADD diet or is there a website?? The

silliness/impulsiveness is what we deal with almost daily.

Kathy/WI

>When we tailored the diet to the ADD diet all immediately improved.

[Guest guest]

,

I found your system very good for the child and easier but can we do that? or

this is just an idea from you?

If it works like that I'm very interested!!

thanks

Carolyn, aël's mum

Re: Atkins Diet/Rhonda

Rhonda,

We give unlimited meats, cheeses, eggs (which he hardly eats)unlimited

veggies (no corn, beans potatoes etc the high carb veggies), jello. We also

give

him unlimited butter and cream and nuts and essentially push the fats to the

extent that he will allow. He eats melted butter with everything. He is so

used

to it that he won't eat without it. We go to restaurants and order him a

grilled meat (steak or chicken usually) and bring along his veggies and

butter

for them to melt.

His ketones are moderate to large every night and he does great with it.

It

keeps his appetite suppressed. I always know that if he is getting hungry

he

must not have good ketosis. The key for us to be successful with this is to

rotate foods. He goes on hot dog binges for 2 weeks but then you can tell

he's

losing his interest with them so we switch. He eats alot of salmon, tilapia,

steak, pork chops and chicken on the grill with grilled veggies and butter.

He always has opocorn with butter before he goes to bed and we give him a 1

cup

serving with 2T butter.

I really think the key to our success with it is that it really is following

the keto protocol with the food choices. We are really doing a keto like

diet

without weighing the food. We get into trouble when we add the other low

carb food because he stops eating the other stuff and his ketones go down.

It is

a vicious cycle for us that we have finally accpeted that he will probably

be

on this diet for a long time. The alternative is seizures and we don't want

to go down that road. We are blessed that we have control with the diet.

Does your son determine how much fat he is going to eat or does he eat just

whatever you give him (you in a sense controlling how much fats he eats)?

We don't weigh it but he gets it with every meal. Butter is his " gravy " as

he calls it and he gets upset if we don't have it. His snacks have cream in

them so we're covered in that reagrd to. We make cream popsicles and ice

cream

with jello and sug free pudding.

Perhaps our next step is to allow unlimited protein, limit the carbs to

20-23g, and make sure she gets a set amount of fat. The fats we are using

are olive oil (cold pressed, extra virgin) butter, cheese and nuts. As long

as we are using various types of foods that contain both fats and carbs

(nuts and cheese) it may be a while before we can get away from using a meal

planner and calculating.

Have you ever tried to just take away the scale and use the same foods while

still adding the fat?? What carbs are you using?? Are you using any net

carb

products or atkins baking stuff??

Keep me posted and good luck to you!

[Guest guest]

We are trying a Keto-Atkins approach

My daughter was on a strict keto diet for 3 yrs

She has never been totally seizure free--even with all the tweaking

SO---at 10 yrs old and very tired of the Keto diet--we decided to TRY

another approach

After 3 yrs we know all the aspects of the keto diet play a role in seizure

control BUT what is the important part of the diet

KETOSIS--LOW B.G.---HIGH FATS---RATIO of pro-carbs & fats??????

WELL----we know she needs ketones BUT tolerates sm-mod

& B.G. plays a role with her seizure control---so we need to

limit fruits and high glycemic veggies

&--although she would rather skip the cream--the high fats in

butter and cream--NOT oils help with seizure control

At one point of increase seizures on the Keto diet--we found high dairy fats

helped more than fats with oils--even if the ratio was exact

SO---We are starting (yes--just this week)--with a keto ratio of 1.0-1 &

1.5-1

we are counting carbs and fats --but allowing the protein to be higher

--when she has an Atkins product--and limiting calories

When I calculate her meal I always get the ratio to work and the high fats

and carbs at or below the value and protein at or above the value--keeping

calories at the set value

SHE is soooo happy because she gets a variety and more food she likes--even

though it is a combo of atkins and keto

When we tried the atkins--with carbs at 10 and not limiting protein and

calories within reason--but not increasing fats --her seizures were more out of

control

After backing to a strict keto we are trying the combo-diet this time

This is NOT through the dietitian--but our Neuro is fine with us trying

things --he is their for us

She tolerates the Atkins ice cream, breakfast bars & cereal---ALL with added

cream--and POPCORN with butter

The lo-carb breads, rolls & bagels turn a calculated meal into a tolerable

meal--

Hopefully one day to switch to a more Atkins diet--BUT right now she needs a

little more restrictive diet

This is NOT for every child--and all the diets need to be done with

Neuro/docs assistance

Best to all of you

Please keep me posted --on the Atkins approach--I learn from other parents

Thank-you

Sandi

Zara--Keto-Atkins Kid

[Guest guest]

Carolyn

We did the keto diet for 2 years with good control mostly on 2:1. Very

short time on 4:1 due to getting overly ketotic. At the end of

the

2 year time, he began cheating and obsessing about " normal " food. He was

digging through the trash. We tried to take him off the diet and his seizures

resumed full force so his neuro told us that we should try a " loose " Atkins

diet with some carbs. He still did not have good seizure control so we had to

" tighten up " to a ketogenic like Atkins diet. He has had the same control as

on the 2:1 with his current diet. I think could have been

successful with some low carb products but the problems we always face are that

if

we offer him a low carb choc bar for instance, he won't go back to the

homeade cream bar. So, yes this is under the guidance of Dr. Chez his

neurologist

and also has been tried by Hopkins as well. there was an article

floating around recently about Hopkins and their success with Atkins.

Good luck to you and if you have any other questions, let me know,