Re: Omega 9

[Guest guest]

, thank you so much for checking with NN and clearing all that up. I've

ordered the ProEFA and can't wait to get our son started on it. I am so very

hopeful that we will have such good results as you have.

I still have the question, if it turns out that my two-year-old is unable to use

the NN brand because they have lemon oil in everything (he is allergic to

citrus)--then, please, tell me other brands that are similar to ProEFA. In

emails from the group I keep seeing that brand doesn't matter, just the formula.

I really, really need to know the actual names of the brands. I have not been

able to find anything similar to ProEFA.

I even checked Efalex, emailing Efalon in the UK, and they gave me the company

in the US (Emerson Ecologics) who sells it. Checking their site and their

information, they list DHA at 60 mg and GLA at 12 mg. This is per 4 capsules.

They do not name EPA as being an ingredient. Is their site information maybe

incorrect?

I contacted Equazen, and they say that EyeQ is not available in the US. Looking

at their information, only their " sachet, " as they call it, comes close to the

ProEFA amounts of EDA, DHA, and GLA.

So that kind of eliminates those two products.

Surely someone knows some other brands that are comparable to ProEFA. Again, I

need to have these located in case he cannot tolerate the lemon. For sure, he

doesn't need the added aggravation of turning into one, big, itchy mass of

hives.

Thanks again, and please help me with these brand names.

Thank you. Suzanne

[ ] Re: Omega 9

Hey guys!

Speaking of subtle differences, the spread sheet can't be 100%

accurate unless you only have companies that use the Scandinavian

Label standards of weight and volume, or only companies that use the

US measuring standards of just weight.

Since NN brand is a US company that uses Scandinavian measuring

standards -it is misleading in that it makes it 'appear' that ProEFA

now has a slightly lower dosage, when it's in reality no different

then before if just the weight was used as most US brands do.

(or if you want to use Scandinavian Label Standards...

it was then as it is now!)

PR again that explains why NN had chosen in 2005 to measure mg by

weight and volume where all or just about all other US companies

only measure by weight.

" While it is common in Scandinavia to measure EPA and DHA

concentration in fish oil by volume, the US currently has a standard

of measuring them only by weight. Since it has become common to

ignore the variation between volume and weight, where weight is

often set equal to volume, the accuracy of weight measurement has

become problematic for this country. Recognizing the importance of

this, The Council for Responsible Nutrition, a trade association for

the dietary supplement industry, has announced its endorsement of

this change. According to Joar Opheim, CEO, " The reason for the

change is based on the fact that EPA and DHA are lighter in weight

than many other fatty acids found in fish oil. The average

conversion rate between volume and weight is .92. As an example, EPA

and DHA take up 70% of the space in a 1,000 mg capsule, but only

account for 64% of the weight of the capsule. "

(print out version link this time)

http://www.npicente r.com/anm/ anmviewer. asp?a=12667 & print=yes

I'll speak with NN and see if both ways can be up on the site until

all companies use the Scandinavian Label Standard if that ever

happens since both ways are still utilized and mainly the US

standard of weight here in the US (of course)

And just as an aside...even if we all wanted exact -if you squeeze

the oil from the capsule, or pour it on a spoon...unless you squeeze

or pour 100% exactly the same each and every time, you are getting

very subtle differences in how much your child gets. But again -

almost all see surges so it must be working even without 100%

perfection. That's the good news! Actually it's all good.

=====

[Guest guest]

Hey guys!

Speaking of subtle differences, the spread sheet can't be 100%

accurate unless you only have companies that use the Scandinavian

Label standards of weight and volume, or only companies that use the

US measuring standards of just weight.

Since NN brand is a US company that uses Scandinavian measuring

standards -it is misleading in that it makes it 'appear' that ProEFA

now has a slightly lower dosage, when it's in reality no different

then before if just the weight was used as most US brands do.

(or if you want to use Scandinavian Label Standards...

it was then as it is now!)

PR again that explains why NN had chosen in 2005 to measure mg by

weight and volume where all or just about all other US companies

only measure by weight.

" While it is common in Scandinavia to measure EPA and DHA

concentration in fish oil by volume, the US currently has a standard

of measuring them only by weight. Since it has become common to

ignore the variation between volume and weight, where weight is

often set equal to volume, the accuracy of weight measurement has

become problematic for this country. Recognizing the importance of

this, The Council for Responsible Nutrition, a trade association for

the dietary supplement industry, has announced its endorsement of

this change. According to Joar Opheim, CEO, " The reason for the

change is based on the fact that EPA and DHA are lighter in weight

than many other fatty acids found in fish oil. The average

conversion rate between volume and weight is .92. As an example, EPA

and DHA take up 70% of the space in a 1,000 mg capsule, but only

account for 64% of the weight of the capsule. "

(print out version link this time)

http://www.npicenter.com/anm/anmviewer.asp?a=12667 & print=yes

I'll speak with NN and see if both ways can be up on the site until

all companies use the Scandinavian Label Standard if that ever

happens since both ways are still utilized and mainly the US

standard of weight here in the US (of course)

And just as an aside...even if we all wanted exact -if you squeeze

the oil from the capsule, or pour it on a spoon...unless you squeeze

or pour 100% exactly the same each and every time, you are getting

very subtle differences in how much your child gets. But again -

almost all see surges so it must be working even without 100%

perfection. That's the good news! Actually it's all good.

=====

[Guest guest]

My son uses Eye-Q. It has worked well. He is on the citrus liquid

but you can order the vanilla. I wonder why they would tell you it

is not available in the US? I just order online and one of the

countries you can input when checking out is the US. It usually

takes around 2 weeks to receive your order, and shipping is around

$18 so I just order a bunch at once. My son LOVES the taste and

signs for more after his dose. Each 1 tsp. dose contains:

186 mg of EPA, 58 mg of DHA, 184 mg of Evening primrose oil of which

20 mg is GLA and 10.8 mg is Vitamin E. We give him three tsp. per

day.

I am thinking about trying the ProEFA/ProEPA products to see if one

is better than the other. I will post the results after we try it.

>

> , thank you so much for checking with NN and clearing all that

up. I've ordered the ProEFA and can't wait to get our son started on

it. I am so very hopeful that we will have such good results as you

have.

>

> I still have the question, if it turns out that my two-year-old is

unable to use the NN brand because they have lemon oil in everything

(he is allergic to citrus)--then, please, tell me other brands that

are similar to ProEFA. In emails from the group I keep seeing that

brand doesn't matter, just the formula. I really, really need to

know the actual names of the brands. I have not been able to find

anything similar to ProEFA.

>

> I even checked Efalex, emailing Efalon in the UK, and they gave me

the company in the US (Emerson Ecologics) who sells it. Checking

their site and their information, they list DHA at 60 mg and GLA at

12 mg. This is per 4 capsules. They do not name EPA as being an

ingredient. Is their site information maybe incorrect?

>

> I contacted Equazen, and they say that EyeQ is not available in the

US. Looking at their information, only their " sachet, " as they call

it, comes close to the ProEFA amounts of EDA, DHA, and GLA.

>

> So that kind of eliminates those two products.

>

> Surely someone knows some other brands that are comparable to

ProEFA. Again, I need to have these located in case he cannot

tolerate the lemon. For sure, he doesn't need the added aggravation

of turning into one, big, itchy mass of hives.

>

> Thanks again, and please help me with these brand names.

>

> Thank you. Suzanne

[Guest guest]

, thank you so much for checking with NN and clearing all that up. I've

ordered the ProEFA and can't wait to get our son started on it. I am so very

hopeful that we will have such good results as you have.

I still have the question, if it turns out that my two-year-old is unable to use

the NN brand because they have lemon oil in everything (he is allergic to

citrus)--then, please, tell me other brands that are similar to ProEFA. In

emails from the group I keep seeing that brand doesn't matter, just the formula.

I really, really need to know the actual names of the brands. I have not been

able to find anything similar to ProEFA.

I even checked Efalex, emailing Efalon in the UK, and they gave me the company

in the US (Emerson Ecologics) who sells it. Checking their site and their

information, they list DHA at 60 mg and GLA at 12 mg. This is per 4 capsules.

They do not name EPA as being an ingredient. Is their site information maybe

incorrect?

I contacted Equazen, and they say that EyeQ is not available in the US. Looking

at their information, only their " sachet, " as they call it, comes close to the

ProEFA amounts of EDA, DHA, and GLA.

So that kind of eliminates those two products.

Surely someone knows some other brands that are comparable to ProEFA. Again, I

need to have these located in case he cannot tolerate the lemon. For sure, he

doesn't need the added aggravation of turning into one, big, itchy mass of

hives.

Thanks again, and please help me with these brand names.

Thank you. Suzanne

[ ] Re: Omega 9

Hey guys!

Speaking of subtle differences, the spread sheet can't be 100%

accurate unless you only have companies that use the Scandinavian

Label standards of weight and volume, or only companies that use the

US measuring standards of just weight.

Since NN brand is a US company that uses Scandinavian measuring

standards -it is misleading in that it makes it 'appear' that ProEFA

now has a slightly lower dosage, when it's in reality no different

then before if just the weight was used as most US brands do.

(or if you want to use Scandinavian Label Standards...

it was then as it is now!)

PR again that explains why NN had chosen in 2005 to measure mg by

weight and volume where all or just about all other US companies

only measure by weight.

" While it is common in Scandinavia to measure EPA and DHA

concentration in fish oil by volume, the US currently has a standard

of measuring them only by weight. Since it has become common to

ignore the variation between volume and weight, where weight is

often set equal to volume, the accuracy of weight measurement has

become problematic for this country. Recognizing the importance of

this, The Council for Responsible Nutrition, a trade association for

the dietary supplement industry, has announced its endorsement of

this change. According to Joar Opheim, CEO, " The reason for the

change is based on the fact that EPA and DHA are lighter in weight

than many other fatty acids found in fish oil. The average

conversion rate between volume and weight is .92. As an example, EPA

and DHA take up 70% of the space in a 1,000 mg capsule, but only

account for 64% of the weight of the capsule. "

(print out version link this time)

http://www.npicente r.com/anm/ anmviewer. asp?a=12667 & print=yes

I'll speak with NN and see if both ways can be up on the site until

all companies use the Scandinavian Label Standard if that ever

happens since both ways are still utilized and mainly the US

standard of weight here in the US (of course)

And just as an aside...even if we all wanted exact -if you squeeze

the oil from the capsule, or pour it on a spoon...unless you squeeze

or pour 100% exactly the same each and every time, you are getting

very subtle differences in how much your child gets. But again -

almost all see surges so it must be working even without 100%

perfection. That's the good news! Actually it's all good.

=====

[Guest guest]

My son uses Eye-Q. It has worked well. He is on the citrus liquid

but you can order the vanilla. I wonder why they would tell you it

is not available in the US? I just order online and one of the

countries you can input when checking out is the US. It usually

takes around 2 weeks to receive your order, and shipping is around

$18 so I just order a bunch at once. My son LOVES the taste and

signs for more after his dose. Each 1 tsp. dose contains:

186 mg of EPA, 58 mg of DHA, 184 mg of Evening primrose oil of which

20 mg is GLA and 10.8 mg is Vitamin E. We give him three tsp. per

day.

I am thinking about trying the ProEFA/ProEPA products to see if one

is better than the other. I will post the results after we try it.

>

> , thank you so much for checking with NN and clearing all that

up. I've ordered the ProEFA and can't wait to get our son started on

it. I am so very hopeful that we will have such good results as you

have.

>

> I still have the question, if it turns out that my two-year-old is

unable to use the NN brand because they have lemon oil in everything

(he is allergic to citrus)--then, please, tell me other brands that

are similar to ProEFA. In emails from the group I keep seeing that

brand doesn't matter, just the formula. I really, really need to

know the actual names of the brands. I have not been able to find

anything similar to ProEFA.

>

> I even checked Efalex, emailing Efalon in the UK, and they gave me

the company in the US (Emerson Ecologics) who sells it. Checking

their site and their information, they list DHA at 60 mg and GLA at

12 mg. This is per 4 capsules. They do not name EPA as being an

ingredient. Is their site information maybe incorrect?

>

> I contacted Equazen, and they say that EyeQ is not available in the

US. Looking at their information, only their " sachet, " as they call

it, comes close to the ProEFA amounts of EDA, DHA, and GLA.

>

> So that kind of eliminates those two products.

>

> Surely someone knows some other brands that are comparable to

ProEFA. Again, I need to have these located in case he cannot

tolerate the lemon. For sure, he doesn't need the added aggravation

of turning into one, big, itchy mass of hives.

>

> Thanks again, and please help me with these brand names.

>

> Thank you. Suzanne

[Guest guest]

Hi Shane,

Will you please include the link or the web address where you order the Eye-Q?

Are they shipping it from the UK? I'll be so interested if you try the

ProEFA/ProEPA products, which you prefer or seem to work the best for your son,

those or Eye-Q.

Thank you so much for the information.

[ ] Re: Omega 9

My son uses Eye-Q. It has worked well. He is on the

citrus liquid

but you can order the vanilla. I wonder why they would tell you it

is not available in the US? I just order online and one of the

countries you can input when checking out is the US. It usually

takes around 2 weeks to receive your order, and shipping is around

$18 so I just order a bunch at once. My son LOVES the taste and

signs for more after his dose. Each 1 tsp. dose contains:

186 mg of EPA, 58 mg of DHA, 184 mg of Evening primrose oil of which

20 mg is GLA and 10.8 mg is Vitamin E. We give him three tsp. per

day.

I am thinking about trying the ProEFA/ProEPA products to see if one

is better than the other. I will post the results after we try it.

[Guest guest]

I think people need to be very careful when ordering Nordic Naturals

because the ProEFA and the Ultimate Omega look very simalar but only

the ProEFA has the GLA. I believe that I ordered the correct one at

first, and then had my husband order from then on. I only yesterday

realized that the package I have been giving to my son for the past

three months was different than what I had ordered before. I was

checking the dosage because I am just back from America where I

ordered CVS brand omegas with a separate evening primrose supplement

because I got a really good price on it. And I wondered why two

weeks in the States with no supplement showed absolutely no

regression... I feel really sick that I made this mistake, and I

hope that others here take care. My son started supplemental evening

primrose this morning, and I will report back here about any changes

I detect over the next few weeks.

>

>

> This whole thread is why I made a spreadsheet to compare dosages.

I

> even found discrepancies for the same product -- Nordic Natural's

own

> website has less " label info " than others. Hint Hint -- --

add the

> label info to your Shop In Service

> <http://shopinserviceinc2.goemerchant1.com/index.cgi?

PageToView=catalog & \

>

Department=186040 & Cartid=23481155352728 & Merchant=shopinserviceinc2 & Ex

pan\

> dedDepts=> (Change on-click to the label info instead of the

label

> picture -- your webmaster will get this) []

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Shane,

Will you please include the link or the web address where you order the Eye-Q?

Are they shipping it from the UK? I'll be so interested if you try the

ProEFA/ProEPA products, which you prefer or seem to work the best for your son,

those or Eye-Q.

Thank you so much for the information.

[ ] Re: Omega 9

My son uses Eye-Q. It has worked well. He is on the

citrus liquid

but you can order the vanilla. I wonder why they would tell you it

is not available in the US? I just order online and one of the

countries you can input when checking out is the US. It usually

takes around 2 weeks to receive your order, and shipping is around

$18 so I just order a bunch at once. My son LOVES the taste and

signs for more after his dose. Each 1 tsp. dose contains:

186 mg of EPA, 58 mg of DHA, 184 mg of Evening primrose oil of which

20 mg is GLA and 10.8 mg is Vitamin E. We give him three tsp. per

day.

I am thinking about trying the ProEFA/ProEPA products to see if one

is better than the other. I will post the results after we try it.

[Guest guest]

hi ...i have found a product called " berry keen " it has 313g of

dha... 205mg of epa... 113of omegas... for a total of 631mg per half

teaspoon and 300 mg of omega9...has anyone hear of this product..it can be

bought in the state of maine....my daughter who is apraxic...has only

started this fish oil a week ago iam hopinf for the best.....donna...p.s it

is strawberry flavored!!!!!

>From: Suzanne Wendel <suzwen@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Omega 9

>Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:08:30 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Hi Shane,

>

>Will you please include the link or the web address where you order the

>Eye-Q? Are they shipping it from the UK? I'll be so interested if you try

>the ProEFA/ProEPA products, which you prefer or seem to work the best for

>your son, those or Eye-Q.

>

>Thank you so much for the information.

>

>

> [ ] Re: Omega 9

>

> My son uses Eye-Q. It has worked well. He is

>on the citrus liquid

> but you can order the vanilla. I wonder why they would tell you it

> is not available in the US? I just order online and one of the

> countries you can input when checking out is the US. It usually

> takes around 2 weeks to receive your order, and shipping is around

> $18 so I just order a bunch at once. My son LOVES the taste and

> signs for more after his dose. Each 1 tsp. dose contains:

> 186 mg of EPA, 58 mg of DHA, 184 mg of Evening primrose oil of which

> 20 mg is GLA and 10.8 mg is Vitamin E. We give him three tsp. per

> day.

>

> I am thinking about trying the ProEFA/ProEPA products to see if one

> is better than the other. I will post the results after we try it.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi i have found the berry keen brand from nordic naturals...strawberry

flavor... i have bought what they had on the shelf because i thought i was

getting the right stuff ....but from what i read it isn't ...it has no

gla in it .....now what am i to do ...i live in newfoundland...and

travel to the states to buy this ...is there something else i could give her

along with the berry keen ....thanks donna

if anyone could help me please e mail me........ toonice669@...

>From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] Re: Omega 9

>Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:31:06 -0000

>

>If your girlfriend found EFAs in strawberry flavor...and it was

>Nordic Naturals brand, then it was DHA Jr./cod liver oil.

>

>This is just all misinformation -and understandable to me since the

>brand name sounds just like what the product is.

>

>Clarification -Nordic Naturals product ProEFA (or it's commercial

>version) only comes in lemon flavor. The name ProEFA can be

>misunderstood as being 'any' essential fatty acid (EFA) But there

>are (again) other " ProEFA " brand name fish oils out there that are

>not ProEFA from Nordic Naturals. You can't trademark a name that

>stands for what the product is.

>Here is one wrong brand of " ProEFA " (way too high in GLA for one)

>http://supplementdealer.com/prolab-proefa-60-softgels.html

>

>If it was a Nordic Natural's product that was in strawberry (or

>peach for that matter) it's cod liver oil. If it's in orange it's

>probably Coromega -which if you are going to use a pure Omega 3 you

>are better off with that one since at least it's high in EPA.

>

>Cod liver oil is a pure Omega 3, no GLA Omega 6, and higher in DHA

>then EPA in most cases, so it's healthy -but for almost all it's not

>the right formula if speech surges are what you are looking for.

>

>For example here's the scoop on DHA Jr

>DHA Junior contains 30 mg of DHA, 20 mg of EPA, 210 IU of Vitamin A,

>and 21 IU of Vitamin D (per 1 Gelcap).

>

>Nordic Naturals' Berry Keen cod liver oil (formerly Peachy Keen) per

>1/2 tsp. was 350 mg of DHA and 225 mg of EPA. I don't believe they

>even make it any more since I can't find it on their site...but

>never used it so don't know.

>

>Clip archive on cod liver oil:

>

>ProEFA is an Omega 3 (DHA and higher EPA) formula with a small

>amount of Omega 6 (GLA) The Omega 3 in the ProEFA is from fish oil -

>not from the liver of the fish -so no vitamin A. Only fish oil made

>from the

>liver of the fish contain vitamin A.

>

>Children's DHA is cod liver oil which since it's from the liver of

>the cod fish, it naturally contains Vitamin A. Cod liver oil only

>contains Omega 3 (DHA and EPA) about that point:

>

> " Most of our experience is with one, 1.0 gram capsule of ProEFA

>(Complete Omega) that contains 144 mg EPA, 99 mg DHA and 40 mg of

>GLA. We know that this combination appeared to work well. There

>were some other supplements used but we could not conclude anything

>about them. I can only say that both EPA and DHA are important and

>GLA appears to have an additional positive effect on speech.

>

>ALA, linoleic and oleic acids in " The Total Omega " contribute very

>little to the EPA, DHA, and GLA effect.

>

>I see at least 2 possibilities that you could use if you decide to

>make the transition from short-chain omega-3s in plants (flax seed

>oil containing alpha-linolenic acid or ALA, C18:2n-3) to the long-

>chain mixture of EPA (C20:5n-3) and DHA (C22:6n-3). These are DHA

>Jr. (30 mg DHA and 20 mg EPA in a serving unit) and Coromega (350 mg

>EPA and 230 mg DHA). Both of these have been anecdotally successful

>in the past.

>

>Coromega can be divided in two and taken one half in the morning the

>other in the evening. If you choose this mode you will provide your

>son with the equivalent EPA+DHA of 2 ProEFA capsules per day without

>the GLA.

>

>Flax seed oil or freshly ground flax seeds are an excellent source

>of the essential omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid (ALA or LNA) which is

>the quintessential parent member of the omega-3 family of essential

>fatty acids (EFAs). The body transforms it into EPA and the EPA

>into DHA. This transformation is very inefficient (the yield is

>about 10%) and is further inhibited by over consumption of omega-6

>fatty acids from most vegetable oils or certain disease states.

>Therefore, it is advisable to independently consume also ready made

>EPA and DHA from good quality fish of from high quality fish oil

>supplements. Some recommended intakes are listed on the

>Introductory lecture on EFAs that I gave at the First Conference on

>Therapy of Verbal Apraxia, July 23-24, 2001, town, NJ. (

>http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html )

>

>The CHERAB Foundation's positive research results on potential

>improvement in speech following EFA supplementation are based

>on the use of ProEFA (Complete Omega) and that contains also

>another essential fatty acid, GLA which is an omega-6 fatty acid.

>The latter appears to be beneficial to children with apraxia. It is

>not present in flax seed/flaxseed oil.

>

>None of these materials present with any known side effects or

>known toxicity in an otherwise healthy person. Nevertheless, we

>advise every user of supplements to use them under medical

>supervision. We don't know your child and we cannot provide you

>with medical advice.

>

>Sincerely,

> Katz, Ph.D. "

> " I will use the following examples with the brand name ProEFA since

>that's the formula/dosage that seems to work the best for most of us

>(Efalex and EyeQ are similar Omega 3/6 formulas that also have good

>reports) For any brand name of Omega 3/6 formula -you could make

>the same formula by mixing together fish oil and either primrose or

>borage seed oil if you prefer -or as found -another brand

>name with a similar formula (and I hope also a good quality)

>

>If you mix two fish oils together which is fine if you know why you

>are doing that: Look at the amount of DHA, EPA (Omega 3) and the

>amount of GLA (Omega 6) and then add them all together to see what

>formula and dosage you now have is. So for those of you that ask -

>you can mix any brand names together you would like -however what

>you could change is the three things above (dosage, formula and

>*quality (*if one of the companies you start using has rancid oils

>which is not uncommon when it comes to fish oils -so make sure all

>brands you use are pure) Keep in mind in anecdotal feedback done by

>parents from all over through CHERAB -that pure Omega 3 or pure

>Omega 6 either showed no results -or very little results in almost

>all cases. Pure Omega 3 would include pure cod liver oil, fish oil,

>flax seed oil without any Omega 6. So even though there is only a

>small amount of GLA (Omega 6) in the formulas we found to be

>successful -GLA appears to be important to be there for some

>reason. GLA has anti-inflammatory properties which perhaps enable

>to DHA and EPA to get to where it's needed in the brain?

>

>Dosage of one capsule a day ProEFA that at the lowest dosage appears

>to be the best -

>148 mg EPA

>99 mg DHA

>40 mg GLA

>

>Here is what many of us have found to be the best plan

>anecdotally:

>

>...start with the basic formula, one ProEFA a day, we

>saw surges in a few days to three weeks which continued for months -

>we then reached a plateau after around 6 months.

>

>At this point we raised the dosage to two capsules of ProEFA a day

>and once again had those surges which lasted again for months.

>

>When we reached the next plateau after around a year, instead of

>going to three a day - we squeezed 1/2 to one capsule of ProEPA into

>the 2 capsules of ProEFA and for almost all of us that try -that

>created another surge.

>

>Over time -you may raise the dosage up higher -and you may slightly

>change the formula to raise the Omega 3 over the Omega 6 ratio.

>Most found raising the EPA vs. the DHA or GLA to be best -but

>you need to know your own child, keep track of his progress through

>both your own observations and that of the professionals -with the

>advice of your child's doctor -to know what is best for him/her.

>

>There is much more in the archives both here -as well as more

>information at

>http://www.cherab.org/information/indexinformation.html#diet

>http://www.speechville.com

>

>Since I receive lots of calls about this -I wanted to list the most

>common changes in an apraxic or other speech disordered child on

>EFAs from what I've read and heard and seen.

>

>1. Increase in babbling or attempts at sounds.

>2. Increase in imitation.

>Changes also can be looked for in (what you see as positive or

>negative)

>sleep

>attention

>appetite

>focus

>behavior

>stools

>

>Next will come a breakthrough of something you were probably working

>on for a bit -so you will be excited but will think " Well -I don't

>want to get my hopes up we were working on that for awhile now -

>maybe it's just a coincidence " However after the second or third

>surge in a short period of time -and then another - you are pretty

>sure things are different and it's at this point the professionals

>and the rest of the family and your friends are noticing it too -

>maybe about two to three weeks now.

>

>OK -the next stage is pure elation and hope -you see the light and

>no longer feel as desperate and want to share this new information

>with everyone and anyone. As the months go by and your child

>continues to progress at a much more rapid rate -you may even start

>to doubt the original diagnosis -especially if you started EFA

>supplementation at two -and perhaps the SLP that diagnosed the

>apraxia who also was at first excited is starting to second guess if

>the original diagnosis was correct as well.

>

>Unless you have to stop the ProEFA (or other Essential Fatty Acids)

>and literally have the chance to see the regression of acquired

>speech and language skills, attempts, and changes in behavior like

>we did with Tanner (and/or have a chance to again witness the second

>surge when your child is put back on the EFAs) -that doubt will

>probably remain somewhere in your mind and in others around your

>child. So the " I told you that he would start talking when he was

>ready " comments should be expected of course.

>

>Up to this point is understandable to me -it's the point after this

>that is confusing to me, and perhaps not the best stage for our

>children and for raising awareness or having research done to find

>out what is happening to our children and why. Perhaps because we

>have truly hit a paradigm shift...

>

>As Dr. Agin states the EFAs actually appear to be in some

>ways " curing " the apraxic child -even those diagnosed with severe

>oral and verbal apraxia, hypotonia, sensory and behavioral issues.

>Especially those started at younger ages.

>

>The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no longer

>fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

>doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

>either...

>

>Some of the parents become more focused on other everyday activities

>with their child and start to drift away from the support sources.

>Problem with this attitude is that unless your child is really up to

>speed on all aspects of speech and language, the support sources

>that helped in the beginning will still benefit your child today.

>ProEFA alone is not the only answer and until we know how and why it

>works (or why in a handful of children it doesn't) we can't improve

>on it "

>EFA tips and sources

>http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efatips.html

>

>http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efabasics.html

>

>Hope that helps!

>

>=====

>

[Guest guest]

Here is the info on it. Its is cod liver oil

<http://www.vitacost.com/NordicNaturalsArcticCodLiverOilBerryKeen> .

Although it is beneficial -- you will want to enhance it with a 3-6

blend of fish oil. No -- cod liver oil and fish oil are not the same!

Here's more info http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html

<http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html>

The best results in this group seem to have been reached with DHA, EPA

and GLA.

You will find that there's a lot of evidence that kids flourish on DHA

-- those with ADD, ADHD, etc. The studies that have concentrated on

EPA have been heart related -- and yes it really helps your

cardiovascular system. BUT, the research that Cherab was unusual in

that the results were obtained with the high EPA concentration - not the

high DHA concentration that is usually marketed in kids products.

BTW -- My son loves the strawberry DHA soft gels, so I still let him

have them as treats and encouragement for finishing his " juice " . But we

use other Nordic Natural Products to get to the right ratios.

PSS -- He just ran up to me and exclaimed -- " Mom, we didn't have

vitamins " Like I said he loves the Children's DHA!

--

>

> hi ...i have found a product called " berry keen " it has 313g of

> dha... 205mg of epa... 113of omegas... for a total of 631mg per half

> teaspoon and 300 mg of omega9...has anyone hear of this product..it

can be

> bought in the state of maine....my daughter who is apraxic...has only

> started this fish oil a week ago iam hopinf for the

best.....donna...p.s it

> is strawberry flavored!!!!!

>

> >From: Suzanne Wendel suzwen@...

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Omega 9

> >Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:08:30 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >Hi Shane,

> >

> >Will you please include the link or the web address where you order

the

> >Eye-Q? Are they shipping it from the UK? I'll be so interested if you

try

> >the ProEFA/ProEPA products, which you prefer or seem to work the best

for

> >your son, those or Eye-Q.

> >

> >Thank you so much for the information.

> >

> >

> > [ ] Re: Omega 9

> >

> > My son uses Eye-Q. It has worked well. He is

> >on the citrus liquid

> > but you can order the vanilla. I wonder why they would tell you it

> > is not available in the US? I just order online and one of the

> > countries you can input when checking out is the US. It usually

> > takes around 2 weeks to receive your order, and shipping is around

> > $18 so I just order a bunch at once. My son LOVES the taste and

> > signs for more after his dose. Each 1 tsp. dose contains:

> > 186 mg of EPA, 58 mg of DHA, 184 mg of Evening primrose oil of which

> > 20 mg is GLA and 10.8 mg is Vitamin E. We give him three tsp. per

> > day.

> >

> > I am thinking about trying the ProEFA/ProEPA products to see if one

> > is better than the other. I will post the results after we try it.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think people need to be very careful when ordering Nordic Naturals

because the ProEFA and the Ultimate Omega look very simalar but only

the ProEFA has the GLA. I believe that I ordered the correct one at

first, and then had my husband order from then on. I only yesterday

realized that the package I have been giving to my son for the past

three months was different than what I had ordered before. I was

checking the dosage because I am just back from America where I

ordered CVS brand omegas with a separate evening primrose supplement

because I got a really good price on it. And I wondered why two

weeks in the States with no supplement showed absolutely no

regression... I feel really sick that I made this mistake, and I

hope that others here take care. My son started supplemental evening

primrose this morning, and I will report back here about any changes

I detect over the next few weeks.

>

>

> This whole thread is why I made a spreadsheet to compare dosages.

I

> even found discrepancies for the same product -- Nordic Natural's

own

> website has less " label info " than others. Hint Hint -- --

add the

> label info to your Shop In Service

> <http://shopinserviceinc2.goemerchant1.com/index.cgi?

PageToView=catalog & \

>

Department=186040 & Cartid=23481155352728 & Merchant=shopinserviceinc2 & Ex

pan\

> dedDepts=> (Change on-click to the label info instead of the

label

> picture -- your webmaster will get this) []

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi ...i have found a product called " berry keen " it has 313g of

dha... 205mg of epa... 113of omegas... for a total of 631mg per half

teaspoon and 300 mg of omega9...has anyone hear of this product..it can be

bought in the state of maine....my daughter who is apraxic...has only

started this fish oil a week ago iam hopinf for the best.....donna...p.s it

is strawberry flavored!!!!!

>From: Suzanne Wendel <suzwen@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Omega 9

>Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:08:30 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Hi Shane,

>

>Will you please include the link or the web address where you order the

>Eye-Q? Are they shipping it from the UK? I'll be so interested if you try

>the ProEFA/ProEPA products, which you prefer or seem to work the best for

>your son, those or Eye-Q.

>

>Thank you so much for the information.

>

>

> [ ] Re: Omega 9

>

> My son uses Eye-Q. It has worked well. He is

>on the citrus liquid

> but you can order the vanilla. I wonder why they would tell you it

> is not available in the US? I just order online and one of the

> countries you can input when checking out is the US. It usually

> takes around 2 weeks to receive your order, and shipping is around

> $18 so I just order a bunch at once. My son LOVES the taste and

> signs for more after his dose. Each 1 tsp. dose contains:

> 186 mg of EPA, 58 mg of DHA, 184 mg of Evening primrose oil of which

> 20 mg is GLA and 10.8 mg is Vitamin E. We give him three tsp. per

> day.

>

> I am thinking about trying the ProEFA/ProEPA products to see if one

> is better than the other. I will post the results after we try it.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi i have found the berry keen brand from nordic naturals...strawberry

flavor... i have bought what they had on the shelf because i thought i was

getting the right stuff ....but from what i read it isn't ...it has no

gla in it .....now what am i to do ...i live in newfoundland...and

travel to the states to buy this ...is there something else i could give her

along with the berry keen ....thanks donna

if anyone could help me please e mail me........ toonice669@...

>From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] Re: Omega 9

>Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:31:06 -0000

>

>If your girlfriend found EFAs in strawberry flavor...and it was

>Nordic Naturals brand, then it was DHA Jr./cod liver oil.

>

>This is just all misinformation -and understandable to me since the

>brand name sounds just like what the product is.

>

>Clarification -Nordic Naturals product ProEFA (or it's commercial

>version) only comes in lemon flavor. The name ProEFA can be

>misunderstood as being 'any' essential fatty acid (EFA) But there

>are (again) other " ProEFA " brand name fish oils out there that are

>not ProEFA from Nordic Naturals. You can't trademark a name that

>stands for what the product is.

>Here is one wrong brand of " ProEFA " (way too high in GLA for one)

>http://supplementdealer.com/prolab-proefa-60-softgels.html

>

>If it was a Nordic Natural's product that was in strawberry (or

>peach for that matter) it's cod liver oil. If it's in orange it's

>probably Coromega -which if you are going to use a pure Omega 3 you

>are better off with that one since at least it's high in EPA.

>

>Cod liver oil is a pure Omega 3, no GLA Omega 6, and higher in DHA

>then EPA in most cases, so it's healthy -but for almost all it's not

>the right formula if speech surges are what you are looking for.

>

>For example here's the scoop on DHA Jr

>DHA Junior contains 30 mg of DHA, 20 mg of EPA, 210 IU of Vitamin A,

>and 21 IU of Vitamin D (per 1 Gelcap).

>

>Nordic Naturals' Berry Keen cod liver oil (formerly Peachy Keen) per

>1/2 tsp. was 350 mg of DHA and 225 mg of EPA. I don't believe they

>even make it any more since I can't find it on their site...but

>never used it so don't know.

>

>Clip archive on cod liver oil:

>

>ProEFA is an Omega 3 (DHA and higher EPA) formula with a small

>amount of Omega 6 (GLA) The Omega 3 in the ProEFA is from fish oil -

>not from the liver of the fish -so no vitamin A. Only fish oil made

>from the

>liver of the fish contain vitamin A.

>

>Children's DHA is cod liver oil which since it's from the liver of

>the cod fish, it naturally contains Vitamin A. Cod liver oil only

>contains Omega 3 (DHA and EPA) about that point:

>

> " Most of our experience is with one, 1.0 gram capsule of ProEFA

>(Complete Omega) that contains 144 mg EPA, 99 mg DHA and 40 mg of

>GLA. We know that this combination appeared to work well. There

>were some other supplements used but we could not conclude anything

>about them. I can only say that both EPA and DHA are important and

>GLA appears to have an additional positive effect on speech.

>

>ALA, linoleic and oleic acids in " The Total Omega " contribute very

>little to the EPA, DHA, and GLA effect.

>

>I see at least 2 possibilities that you could use if you decide to

>make the transition from short-chain omega-3s in plants (flax seed

>oil containing alpha-linolenic acid or ALA, C18:2n-3) to the long-

>chain mixture of EPA (C20:5n-3) and DHA (C22:6n-3). These are DHA

>Jr. (30 mg DHA and 20 mg EPA in a serving unit) and Coromega (350 mg

>EPA and 230 mg DHA). Both of these have been anecdotally successful

>in the past.

>

>Coromega can be divided in two and taken one half in the morning the

>other in the evening. If you choose this mode you will provide your

>son with the equivalent EPA+DHA of 2 ProEFA capsules per day without

>the GLA.

>

>Flax seed oil or freshly ground flax seeds are an excellent source

>of the essential omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid (ALA or LNA) which is

>the quintessential parent member of the omega-3 family of essential

>fatty acids (EFAs). The body transforms it into EPA and the EPA

>into DHA. This transformation is very inefficient (the yield is

>about 10%) and is further inhibited by over consumption of omega-6

>fatty acids from most vegetable oils or certain disease states.

>Therefore, it is advisable to independently consume also ready made

>EPA and DHA from good quality fish of from high quality fish oil

>supplements. Some recommended intakes are listed on the

>Introductory lecture on EFAs that I gave at the First Conference on

>Therapy of Verbal Apraxia, July 23-24, 2001, town, NJ. (

>http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html )

>

>The CHERAB Foundation's positive research results on potential

>improvement in speech following EFA supplementation are based

>on the use of ProEFA (Complete Omega) and that contains also

>another essential fatty acid, GLA which is an omega-6 fatty acid.

>The latter appears to be beneficial to children with apraxia. It is

>not present in flax seed/flaxseed oil.

>

>None of these materials present with any known side effects or

>known toxicity in an otherwise healthy person. Nevertheless, we

>advise every user of supplements to use them under medical

>supervision. We don't know your child and we cannot provide you

>with medical advice.

>

>Sincerely,

> Katz, Ph.D. "

> " I will use the following examples with the brand name ProEFA since

>that's the formula/dosage that seems to work the best for most of us

>(Efalex and EyeQ are similar Omega 3/6 formulas that also have good

>reports) For any brand name of Omega 3/6 formula -you could make

>the same formula by mixing together fish oil and either primrose or

>borage seed oil if you prefer -or as found -another brand

>name with a similar formula (and I hope also a good quality)

>

>If you mix two fish oils together which is fine if you know why you

>are doing that: Look at the amount of DHA, EPA (Omega 3) and the

>amount of GLA (Omega 6) and then add them all together to see what

>formula and dosage you now have is. So for those of you that ask -

>you can mix any brand names together you would like -however what

>you could change is the three things above (dosage, formula and

>*quality (*if one of the companies you start using has rancid oils

>which is not uncommon when it comes to fish oils -so make sure all

>brands you use are pure) Keep in mind in anecdotal feedback done by

>parents from all over through CHERAB -that pure Omega 3 or pure

>Omega 6 either showed no results -or very little results in almost

>all cases. Pure Omega 3 would include pure cod liver oil, fish oil,

>flax seed oil without any Omega 6. So even though there is only a

>small amount of GLA (Omega 6) in the formulas we found to be

>successful -GLA appears to be important to be there for some

>reason. GLA has anti-inflammatory properties which perhaps enable

>to DHA and EPA to get to where it's needed in the brain?

>

>Dosage of one capsule a day ProEFA that at the lowest dosage appears

>to be the best -

>148 mg EPA

>99 mg DHA

>40 mg GLA

>

>Here is what many of us have found to be the best plan

>anecdotally:

>

>...start with the basic formula, one ProEFA a day, we

>saw surges in a few days to three weeks which continued for months -

>we then reached a plateau after around 6 months.

>

>At this point we raised the dosage to two capsules of ProEFA a day

>and once again had those surges which lasted again for months.

>

>When we reached the next plateau after around a year, instead of

>going to three a day - we squeezed 1/2 to one capsule of ProEPA into

>the 2 capsules of ProEFA and for almost all of us that try -that

>created another surge.

>

>Over time -you may raise the dosage up higher -and you may slightly

>change the formula to raise the Omega 3 over the Omega 6 ratio.

>Most found raising the EPA vs. the DHA or GLA to be best -but

>you need to know your own child, keep track of his progress through

>both your own observations and that of the professionals -with the

>advice of your child's doctor -to know what is best for him/her.

>

>There is much more in the archives both here -as well as more

>information at

>http://www.cherab.org/information/indexinformation.html#diet

>http://www.speechville.com

>

>Since I receive lots of calls about this -I wanted to list the most

>common changes in an apraxic or other speech disordered child on

>EFAs from what I've read and heard and seen.

>

>1. Increase in babbling or attempts at sounds.

>2. Increase in imitation.

>Changes also can be looked for in (what you see as positive or

>negative)

>sleep

>attention

>appetite

>focus

>behavior

>stools

>

>Next will come a breakthrough of something you were probably working

>on for a bit -so you will be excited but will think " Well -I don't

>want to get my hopes up we were working on that for awhile now -

>maybe it's just a coincidence " However after the second or third

>surge in a short period of time -and then another - you are pretty

>sure things are different and it's at this point the professionals

>and the rest of the family and your friends are noticing it too -

>maybe about two to three weeks now.

>

>OK -the next stage is pure elation and hope -you see the light and

>no longer feel as desperate and want to share this new information

>with everyone and anyone. As the months go by and your child

>continues to progress at a much more rapid rate -you may even start

>to doubt the original diagnosis -especially if you started EFA

>supplementation at two -and perhaps the SLP that diagnosed the

>apraxia who also was at first excited is starting to second guess if

>the original diagnosis was correct as well.

>

>Unless you have to stop the ProEFA (or other Essential Fatty Acids)

>and literally have the chance to see the regression of acquired

>speech and language skills, attempts, and changes in behavior like

>we did with Tanner (and/or have a chance to again witness the second

>surge when your child is put back on the EFAs) -that doubt will

>probably remain somewhere in your mind and in others around your

>child. So the " I told you that he would start talking when he was

>ready " comments should be expected of course.

>

>Up to this point is understandable to me -it's the point after this

>that is confusing to me, and perhaps not the best stage for our

>children and for raising awareness or having research done to find

>out what is happening to our children and why. Perhaps because we

>have truly hit a paradigm shift...

>

>As Dr. Agin states the EFAs actually appear to be in some

>ways " curing " the apraxic child -even those diagnosed with severe

>oral and verbal apraxia, hypotonia, sensory and behavioral issues.

>Especially those started at younger ages.

>

>The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no longer

>fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

>doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

>either...

>

>Some of the parents become more focused on other everyday activities

>with their child and start to drift away from the support sources.

>Problem with this attitude is that unless your child is really up to

>speed on all aspects of speech and language, the support sources

>that helped in the beginning will still benefit your child today.

>ProEFA alone is not the only answer and until we know how and why it

>works (or why in a handful of children it doesn't) we can't improve

>on it "

>EFA tips and sources

>http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efatips.html

>

>http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efabasics.html

>

>Hope that helps!

>

>=====

>

[Guest guest]

Here is the info on it. Its is cod liver oil

<http://www.vitacost.com/NordicNaturalsArcticCodLiverOilBerryKeen> .

Although it is beneficial -- you will want to enhance it with a 3-6

blend of fish oil. No -- cod liver oil and fish oil are not the same!

Here's more info http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html

<http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html>

The best results in this group seem to have been reached with DHA, EPA

and GLA.

You will find that there's a lot of evidence that kids flourish on DHA

-- those with ADD, ADHD, etc. The studies that have concentrated on

EPA have been heart related -- and yes it really helps your

cardiovascular system. BUT, the research that Cherab was unusual in

that the results were obtained with the high EPA concentration - not the

high DHA concentration that is usually marketed in kids products.

BTW -- My son loves the strawberry DHA soft gels, so I still let him

have them as treats and encouragement for finishing his " juice " . But we

use other Nordic Natural Products to get to the right ratios.

PSS -- He just ran up to me and exclaimed -- " Mom, we didn't have

vitamins " Like I said he loves the Children's DHA!

--

>

> hi ...i have found a product called " berry keen " it has 313g of

> dha... 205mg of epa... 113of omegas... for a total of 631mg per half

> teaspoon and 300 mg of omega9...has anyone hear of this product..it

can be

> bought in the state of maine....my daughter who is apraxic...has only

> started this fish oil a week ago iam hopinf for the

best.....donna...p.s it

> is strawberry flavored!!!!!

>

> >From: Suzanne Wendel suzwen@...

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Omega 9

> >Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:08:30 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >Hi Shane,

> >

> >Will you please include the link or the web address where you order

the

> >Eye-Q? Are they shipping it from the UK? I'll be so interested if you

try

> >the ProEFA/ProEPA products, which you prefer or seem to work the best

for

> >your son, those or Eye-Q.

> >

> >Thank you so much for the information.

> >

> >

> > [ ] Re: Omega 9

> >

> > My son uses Eye-Q. It has worked well. He is

> >on the citrus liquid

> > but you can order the vanilla. I wonder why they would tell you it

> > is not available in the US? I just order online and one of the

> > countries you can input when checking out is the US. It usually

> > takes around 2 weeks to receive your order, and shipping is around

> > $18 so I just order a bunch at once. My son LOVES the taste and

> > signs for more after his dose. Each 1 tsp. dose contains:

> > 186 mg of EPA, 58 mg of DHA, 184 mg of Evening primrose oil of which

> > 20 mg is GLA and 10.8 mg is Vitamin E. We give him three tsp. per

> > day.

> >

> > I am thinking about trying the ProEFA/ProEPA products to see if one

> > is better than the other. I will post the results after we try it.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I live in New York and have found the Nordic Children's DHA cod liver oil in

formerly berry keen. I purchased it at WHole Foods which is a chain of stores

that distributes organic products. You can check their website, possibly order

from them directly.

joy stansbury <toonice669@...> wrote:

hi i have found the berry keen brand from nordic naturals...strawberry

flavor... i have bought what they had on the shelf because i thought i was

getting the right stuff ....but from what i read it isn't ...it has no

gla in it .....now what am i to do ...i live in newfoundland...and

travel to the states to buy this ...is there something else i could give her

along with the berry keen ....thanks donna

if anyone could help me please e mail me........ toonice669@...

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I live in New York and have found the Nordic Children's DHA cod liver oil in

formerly berry keen. I purchased it at WHole Foods which is a chain of stores

that distributes organic products. You can check their website, possibly order

from them directly.

joy stansbury <toonice669@...> wrote:

hi i have found the berry keen brand from nordic naturals...strawberry

flavor... i have bought what they had on the shelf because i thought i was

getting the right stuff ....but from what i read it isn't ...it has no

gla in it .....now what am i to do ...i live in newfoundland...and

travel to the states to buy this ...is there something else i could give her

along with the berry keen ....thanks donna

if anyone could help me please e mail me........ toonice669@...