Re: Omega 9

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Pro-EFA also comes in a peach variety...

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[ ] Omega 9

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08/09/2006 10:12 AM

Please respond to

What is Omega 9? My son has problems with acidic foods and therefore

we are afraid to try the ProEFA, since it contains lemon oil.

I'm searching for some other product that will be the same and am so

confused. I must be stupid, as I can't figure it out. I see a

yummibear made by Hero Nutritionals that has Omega 3, 87 mg; Omega 6,

90 mg; and Omega 9, 60 mg. per 3 yummibears.

Has anyone tried this product? The numbers don't look right to me,

but as I said, I am so very confused and want so desperately to begin

EFA supplements for my son and don't know what to do.

Thank you for your help.

Suzanne

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Pro-EFA also comes in a peach variety...

" suzwen "

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[ ] Omega 9

ogroups.com

08/09/2006 10:12 AM

Please respond to

What is Omega 9? My son has problems with acidic foods and therefore

we are afraid to try the ProEFA, since it contains lemon oil.

I'm searching for some other product that will be the same and am so

confused. I must be stupid, as I can't figure it out. I see a

yummibear made by Hero Nutritionals that has Omega 3, 87 mg; Omega 6,

90 mg; and Omega 9, 60 mg. per 3 yummibears.

Has anyone tried this product? The numbers don't look right to me,

but as I said, I am so very confused and want so desperately to begin

EFA supplements for my son and don't know what to do.

Thank you for your help.

Suzanne

[Guest guest]

Where did you find the peach variety? I called Nordic Naturals to order some,

and they told me it only comes in lemon. They said that the cod liver oil comes

in peach flavor. Please help me with this. I would love to be able to use the

peach, since he is allergic to citrus.

Thank you so much.

----- Original Message ----

From: myra.bauza@...

Pro-EFA also comes in a peach variety...

[Guest guest]

Where did you find the peach variety? I called Nordic Naturals to order some,

and they told me it only comes in lemon. They said that the cod liver oil comes

in peach flavor. Please help me with this. I would love to be able to use the

peach, since he is allergic to citrus.

Thank you so much.

----- Original Message ----

From: myra.bauza@...

Pro-EFA also comes in a peach variety...

[Guest guest]

my girlfriend emailed me yesterday and said she found some in

strawberry for her son and he loves it. They found it at GNC

>

> Where did you find the peach variety? I called Nordic Naturals to

order some, and they told me it only comes in lemon. They said that

the cod liver oil comes in peach flavor. Please help me with this. I

would love to be able to use the peach, since he is allergic to citrus.

>

> Thank you so much.

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: myra.bauza@...

>

>

> Pro-EFA also comes in a peach variety...

>

[Guest guest]

If your girlfriend found EFAs in strawberry flavor...and it was

Nordic Naturals brand, then it was DHA Jr./cod liver oil.

This is just all misinformation -and understandable to me since the

brand name sounds just like what the product is.

Clarification -Nordic Naturals product ProEFA (or it's commercial

version) only comes in lemon flavor. The name ProEFA can be

misunderstood as being 'any' essential fatty acid (EFA) But there

are (again) other " ProEFA " brand name fish oils out there that are

not ProEFA from Nordic Naturals. You can't trademark a name that

stands for what the product is.

Here is one wrong brand of " ProEFA " (way too high in GLA for one)

http://supplementdealer.com/prolab-proefa-60-softgels.html

If it was a Nordic Natural's product that was in strawberry (or

peach for that matter) it's cod liver oil. If it's in orange it's

probably Coromega -which if you are going to use a pure Omega 3 you

are better off with that one since at least it's high in EPA.

Cod liver oil is a pure Omega 3, no GLA Omega 6, and higher in DHA

then EPA in most cases, so it's healthy -but for almost all it's not

the right formula if speech surges are what you are looking for.

For example here's the scoop on DHA Jr

DHA Junior contains 30 mg of DHA, 20 mg of EPA, 210 IU of Vitamin A,

and 21 IU of Vitamin D (per 1 Gelcap).

Nordic Naturals' Berry Keen cod liver oil (formerly Peachy Keen) per

1/2 tsp. was 350 mg of DHA and 225 mg of EPA. I don't believe they

even make it any more since I can't find it on their site...but

never used it so don't know.

Clip archive on cod liver oil:

ProEFA is an Omega 3 (DHA and higher EPA) formula with a small

amount of Omega 6 (GLA) The Omega 3 in the ProEFA is from fish oil -

not from the liver of the fish -so no vitamin A. Only fish oil made

from the

liver of the fish contain vitamin A.

Children's DHA is cod liver oil which since it's from the liver of

the cod fish, it naturally contains Vitamin A. Cod liver oil only

contains Omega 3 (DHA and EPA) about that point:

" Most of our experience is with one, 1.0 gram capsule of ProEFA

(Complete Omega) that contains 144 mg EPA, 99 mg DHA and 40 mg of

GLA. We know that this combination appeared to work well. There

were some other supplements used but we could not conclude anything

about them. I can only say that both EPA and DHA are important and

GLA appears to have an additional positive effect on speech.

ALA, linoleic and oleic acids in " The Total Omega " contribute very

little to the EPA, DHA, and GLA effect.

I see at least 2 possibilities that you could use if you decide to

make the transition from short-chain omega-3s in plants (flax seed

oil containing alpha-linolenic acid or ALA, C18:2n-3) to the long-

chain mixture of EPA (C20:5n-3) and DHA (C22:6n-3). These are DHA

Jr. (30 mg DHA and 20 mg EPA in a serving unit) and Coromega (350 mg

EPA and 230 mg DHA). Both of these have been anecdotally successful

in the past.

Coromega can be divided in two and taken one half in the morning the

other in the evening. If you choose this mode you will provide your

son with the equivalent EPA+DHA of 2 ProEFA capsules per day without

the GLA.

Flax seed oil or freshly ground flax seeds are an excellent source

of the essential omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid (ALA or LNA) which is

the quintessential parent member of the omega-3 family of essential

fatty acids (EFAs). The body transforms it into EPA and the EPA

into DHA. This transformation is very inefficient (the yield is

about 10%) and is further inhibited by over consumption of omega-6

fatty acids from most vegetable oils or certain disease states.

Therefore, it is advisable to independently consume also ready made

EPA and DHA from good quality fish of from high quality fish oil

supplements. Some recommended intakes are listed on the

Introductory lecture on EFAs that I gave at the First Conference on

Therapy of Verbal Apraxia, July 23-24, 2001, town, NJ. (

http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html )

The CHERAB Foundation's positive research results on potential

improvement in speech following EFA supplementation are based

on the use of ProEFA (Complete Omega) and that contains also

another essential fatty acid, GLA which is an omega-6 fatty acid.

The latter appears to be beneficial to children with apraxia. It is

not present in flax seed/flaxseed oil.

None of these materials present with any known side effects or

known toxicity in an otherwise healthy person. Nevertheless, we

advise every user of supplements to use them under medical

supervision. We don't know your child and we cannot provide you

with medical advice.

Sincerely,

Katz, Ph.D. "

" I will use the following examples with the brand name ProEFA since

that's the formula/dosage that seems to work the best for most of us

(Efalex and EyeQ are similar Omega 3/6 formulas that also have good

reports) For any brand name of Omega 3/6 formula -you could make

the same formula by mixing together fish oil and either primrose or

borage seed oil if you prefer -or as found -another brand

name with a similar formula (and I hope also a good quality)

If you mix two fish oils together which is fine if you know why you

are doing that: Look at the amount of DHA, EPA (Omega 3) and the

amount of GLA (Omega 6) and then add them all together to see what

formula and dosage you now have is. So for those of you that ask -

you can mix any brand names together you would like -however what

you could change is the three things above (dosage, formula and

*quality (*if one of the companies you start using has rancid oils

which is not uncommon when it comes to fish oils -so make sure all

brands you use are pure) Keep in mind in anecdotal feedback done by

parents from all over through CHERAB -that pure Omega 3 or pure

Omega 6 either showed no results -or very little results in almost

all cases. Pure Omega 3 would include pure cod liver oil, fish oil,

flax seed oil without any Omega 6. So even though there is only a

small amount of GLA (Omega 6) in the formulas we found to be

successful -GLA appears to be important to be there for some

reason. GLA has anti-inflammatory properties which perhaps enable

to DHA and EPA to get to where it's needed in the brain?

Dosage of one capsule a day ProEFA that at the lowest dosage appears

to be the best -

148 mg EPA

99 mg DHA

40 mg GLA

Here is what many of us have found to be the best plan

anecdotally:

....start with the basic formula, one ProEFA a day, we

saw surges in a few days to three weeks which continued for months -

we then reached a plateau after around 6 months.

At this point we raised the dosage to two capsules of ProEFA a day

and once again had those surges which lasted again for months.

When we reached the next plateau after around a year, instead of

going to three a day - we squeezed 1/2 to one capsule of ProEPA into

the 2 capsules of ProEFA and for almost all of us that try -that

created another surge.

Over time -you may raise the dosage up higher -and you may slightly

change the formula to raise the Omega 3 over the Omega 6 ratio.

Most found raising the EPA vs. the DHA or GLA to be best -but

you need to know your own child, keep track of his progress through

both your own observations and that of the professionals -with the

advice of your child's doctor -to know what is best for him/her.

There is much more in the archives both here -as well as more

information at

http://www.cherab.org/information/indexinformation.html#diet

http://www.speechville.com

Since I receive lots of calls about this -I wanted to list the most

common changes in an apraxic or other speech disordered child on

EFAs from what I've read and heard and seen.

1. Increase in babbling or attempts at sounds.

2. Increase in imitation.

Changes also can be looked for in (what you see as positive or

negative)

sleep

attention

appetite

focus

behavior

stools

Next will come a breakthrough of something you were probably working

on for a bit -so you will be excited but will think " Well -I don't

want to get my hopes up we were working on that for awhile now -

maybe it's just a coincidence " However after the second or third

surge in a short period of time -and then another - you are pretty

sure things are different and it's at this point the professionals

and the rest of the family and your friends are noticing it too -

maybe about two to three weeks now.

OK -the next stage is pure elation and hope -you see the light and

no longer feel as desperate and want to share this new information

with everyone and anyone. As the months go by and your child

continues to progress at a much more rapid rate -you may even start

to doubt the original diagnosis -especially if you started EFA

supplementation at two -and perhaps the SLP that diagnosed the

apraxia who also was at first excited is starting to second guess if

the original diagnosis was correct as well.

Unless you have to stop the ProEFA (or other Essential Fatty Acids)

and literally have the chance to see the regression of acquired

speech and language skills, attempts, and changes in behavior like

we did with Tanner (and/or have a chance to again witness the second

surge when your child is put back on the EFAs) -that doubt will

probably remain somewhere in your mind and in others around your

child. So the " I told you that he would start talking when he was

ready " comments should be expected of course.

Up to this point is understandable to me -it's the point after this

that is confusing to me, and perhaps not the best stage for our

children and for raising awareness or having research done to find

out what is happening to our children and why. Perhaps because we

have truly hit a paradigm shift...

As Dr. Agin states the EFAs actually appear to be in some

ways " curing " the apraxic child -even those diagnosed with severe

oral and verbal apraxia, hypotonia, sensory and behavioral issues.

Especially those started at younger ages.

The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no longer

fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

either...

Some of the parents become more focused on other everyday activities

with their child and start to drift away from the support sources.

Problem with this attitude is that unless your child is really up to

speed on all aspects of speech and language, the support sources

that helped in the beginning will still benefit your child today.

ProEFA alone is not the only answer and until we know how and why it

works (or why in a handful of children it doesn't) we can't improve

on it "

EFA tips and sources

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efatips.html

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efabasics.html

Hope that helps!

=====

[Guest guest]

Hi Kala,

Can you find out what the brand name is of the product your girlfriend got at

GNC that is strawberry? We have three or four of the stores in our area, and

they don't seem to carry all of the same products.

Thank you so much.

Suzanne

[ ] Re: Omega 9

my girlfriend emailed me yesterday and said she found

some in

strawberry for her son and he loves it. They found it at GNC

>

> Where did you find the peach variety? I called Nordic Naturals to

order some, and they told me it only comes in lemon. They said that

the cod liver oil comes in peach flavor. Please help me with this. I

would love to be able to use the peach, since he is allergic to citrus.

>

> Thank you so much.

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: myra.bauza@. ..

> @groups. com

>

> Pro-EFA also comes in a peach variety...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kala,

I'm sorry..the peach variety was the Cod Liver Oil which is what I gave my

son for a year before the Pro-EFA which is lemon flavored. He doesn't like

it..but I sneak it in his pureed fruit..if your son is allergic to citrus

that will not be his best option. I've not seen it in other flavors. Sorry

for the misinformation.

Suzanne Hi Kala,

Can you find out what the brand name is of the product your girlfriend got

at GNC that is strawberry? We have three or four of the stores in our

area, and they don't seem to carry all of the same products.

Thank you so much.

Suzanne

[ ] Re: Omega 9

my girlfriend emailed me yesterday and said she

found some in

strawberry for her son and he loves it. They found it at GNC

[Guest guest]

Nordic Natural's ProEFA contains lesser amounts of each of the EPA, DHA, and

GLA than when it was used in the trials. The only product I see on their

website that contains those same amounts as were used in the trials is the

ProEFA junior gels, and actually, I saw that as being sold by another company,

although made by Nordic Naturals. This product is not on Nordic Naturals

website. Maybe their site is not up to date. I wonder why they changed the

original ProEFA.

The Nordic Naturals ProEFA liquid and Complete Omega-3-6-9 liquid are very close

to the original ProEFA formula used in the trials, closer than their ProEFA as

it now appears on their website.

So, is everyone using the ProEFA, capsules, now with lesser amounts than what

was used in the trials, and still, it works fine? I know it was suggested that

I not get caught up just now in the amounts, but I am concerned about the change

and want to make sure that the ProEFA is as effective as it was when used in the

trials and that everyone is still seeing good results with it.

Thank you so much.

Suzanne

[ ] Re: Omega 9

If your girlfriend found EFAs in strawberry

flavor...and it was

Nordic Naturals brand, then it was DHA Jr./cod liver oil.

This is just all misinformation -and understandable to me since the

brand name sounds just like what the product is.

Clarification -Nordic Naturals product ProEFA (or it's commercial

version) only comes in lemon flavor. The name ProEFA can be

misunderstood as being 'any' essential fatty acid (EFA) But there

are (again) other " ProEFA " brand name fish oils out there that are

not ProEFA from Nordic Naturals. You can't trademark a name that

stands for what the product is.

Here is one wrong brand of " ProEFA " (way too high in GLA for one)

http://supplementde aler.com/ prolab-proefa- 60-softgels. html

If it was a Nordic Natural's product that was in strawberry (or

peach for that matter) it's cod liver oil. If it's in orange it's

probably Coromega -which if you are going to use a pure Omega 3 you

are better off with that one since at least it's high in EPA.

Cod liver oil is a pure Omega 3, no GLA Omega 6, and higher in DHA

then EPA in most cases, so it's healthy -but for almost all it's not

the right formula if speech surges are what you are looking for.

For example here's the scoop on DHA Jr

DHA Junior contains 30 mg of DHA, 20 mg of EPA, 210 IU of Vitamin A,

and 21 IU of Vitamin D (per 1 Gelcap).

Nordic Naturals' Berry Keen cod liver oil (formerly Peachy Keen) per

1/2 tsp. was 350 mg of DHA and 225 mg of EPA. I don't believe they

even make it any more since I can't find it on their site...but

never used it so don't know.

Clip archive on cod liver oil:

ProEFA is an Omega 3 (DHA and higher EPA) formula with a small

amount of Omega 6 (GLA) The Omega 3 in the ProEFA is from fish oil -

not from the liver of the fish -so no vitamin A. Only fish oil made

from the

liver of the fish contain vitamin A.

Children's DHA is cod liver oil which since it's from the liver of

the cod fish, it naturally contains Vitamin A. Cod liver oil only

contains Omega 3 (DHA and EPA) about that point:

" Most of our experience is with one, 1.0 gram capsule of ProEFA

(Complete Omega) that contains 144 mg EPA, 99 mg DHA and 40 mg of

GLA. We know that this combination appeared to work well. There

were some other supplements used but we could not conclude anything

about them. I can only say that both EPA and DHA are important and

GLA appears to have an additional positive effect on speech.

ALA, linoleic and oleic acids in " The Total Omega " contribute very

little to the EPA, DHA, and GLA effect.

I see at least 2 possibilities that you could use if you decide to

make the transition from short-chain omega-3s in plants (flax seed

oil containing alpha-linolenic acid or ALA, C18:2n-3) to the long-

chain mixture of EPA (C20:5n-3) and DHA (C22:6n-3). These are DHA

Jr. (30 mg DHA and 20 mg EPA in a serving unit) and Coromega (350 mg

EPA and 230 mg DHA). Both of these have been anecdotally successful

in the past.

Coromega can be divided in two and taken one half in the morning the

other in the evening. If you choose this mode you will provide your

son with the equivalent EPA+DHA of 2 ProEFA capsules per day without

the GLA.

Flax seed oil or freshly ground flax seeds are an excellent source

of the essential omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid (ALA or LNA) which is

the quintessential parent member of the omega-3 family of essential

fatty acids (EFAs). The body transforms it into EPA and the EPA

into DHA. This transformation is very inefficient (the yield is

about 10%) and is further inhibited by over consumption of omega-6

fatty acids from most vegetable oils or certain disease states.

Therefore, it is advisable to independently consume also ready made

EPA and DHA from good quality fish of from high quality fish oil

supplements. Some recommended intakes are listed on the

Introductory lecture on EFAs that I gave at the First Conference on

Therapy of Verbal Apraxia, July 23-24, 2001, town, NJ. (

http://www.cherab. org/news/ scientific. html )

The CHERAB Foundation's positive research results on potential

improvement in speech following EFA supplementation are based

on the use of ProEFA (Complete Omega) and that contains also

another essential fatty acid, GLA which is an omega-6 fatty acid.

The latter appears to be beneficial to children with apraxia. It is

not present in flax seed/flaxseed oil.

None of these materials present with any known side effects or

known toxicity in an otherwise healthy person. Nevertheless, we

advise every user of supplements to use them under medical

supervision. We don't know your child and we cannot provide you

with medical advice.

Sincerely,

Katz, Ph.D. "

" I will use the following examples with the brand name ProEFA since

that's the formula/dosage that seems to work the best for most of us

(Efalex and EyeQ are similar Omega 3/6 formulas that also have good

reports) For any brand name of Omega 3/6 formula -you could make

the same formula by mixing together fish oil and either primrose or

borage seed oil if you prefer -or as found -another brand

name with a similar formula (and I hope also a good quality)

If you mix two fish oils together which is fine if you know why you

are doing that: Look at the amount of DHA, EPA (Omega 3) and the

amount of GLA (Omega 6) and then add them all together to see what

formula and dosage you now have is. So for those of you that ask -

you can mix any brand names together you would like -however what

you could change is the three things above (dosage, formula and

*quality (*if one of the companies you start using has rancid oils

which is not uncommon when it comes to fish oils -so make sure all

brands you use are pure) Keep in mind in anecdotal feedback done by

parents from all over through CHERAB -that pure Omega 3 or pure

Omega 6 either showed no results -or very little results in almost

all cases. Pure Omega 3 would include pure cod liver oil, fish oil,

flax seed oil without any Omega 6. So even though there is only a

small amount of GLA (Omega 6) in the formulas we found to be

successful -GLA appears to be important to be there for some

reason. GLA has anti-inflammatory properties which perhaps enable

to DHA and EPA to get to where it's needed in the brain?

Dosage of one capsule a day ProEFA that at the lowest dosage appears

to be the best -

148 mg EPA

99 mg DHA

40 mg GLA

Here is what many of us have found to be the best plan

anecdotally:

...start with the basic formula, one ProEFA a day, we

saw surges in a few days to three weeks which continued for months -

we then reached a plateau after around 6 months.

At this point we raised the dosage to two capsules of ProEFA a day

and once again had those surges which lasted again for months.

When we reached the next plateau after around a year, instead of

going to three a day - we squeezed 1/2 to one capsule of ProEPA into

the 2 capsules of ProEFA and for almost all of us that try -that

created another surge.

Over time -you may raise the dosage up higher -and you may slightly

change the formula to raise the Omega 3 over the Omega 6 ratio.

Most found raising the EPA vs. the DHA or GLA to be best -but

you need to know your own child, keep track of his progress through

both your own observations and that of the professionals -with the

advice of your child's doctor -to know what is best for him/her.

There is much more in the archives both here -as well as more

information at

http://www.cherab. org/information/ indexinformation .html#diet

http://www.speechvi lle.com

Since I receive lots of calls about this -I wanted to list the most

common changes in an apraxic or other speech disordered child on

EFAs from what I've read and heard and seen.

1. Increase in babbling or attempts at sounds.

2. Increase in imitation.

Changes also can be looked for in (what you see as positive or

negative)

sleep

attention

appetite

focus

behavior

stools

Next will come a breakthrough of something you were probably working

on for a bit -so you will be excited but will think " Well -I don't

want to get my hopes up we were working on that for awhile now -

maybe it's just a coincidence " However after the second or third

surge in a short period of time -and then another - you are pretty

sure things are different and it's at this point the professionals

and the rest of the family and your friends are noticing it too -

maybe about two to three weeks now.

OK -the next stage is pure elation and hope -you see the light and

no longer feel as desperate and want to share this new information

with everyone and anyone. As the months go by and your child

continues to progress at a much more rapid rate -you may even start

to doubt the original diagnosis -especially if you started EFA

supplementation at two -and perhaps the SLP that diagnosed the

apraxia who also was at first excited is starting to second guess if

the original diagnosis was correct as well.

Unless you have to stop the ProEFA (or other Essential Fatty Acids)

and literally have the chance to see the regression of acquired

speech and language skills, attempts, and changes in behavior like

we did with Tanner (and/or have a chance to again witness the second

surge when your child is put back on the EFAs) -that doubt will

probably remain somewhere in your mind and in others around your

child. So the " I told you that he would start talking when he was

ready " comments should be expected of course.

Up to this point is understandable to me -it's the point after this

that is confusing to me, and perhaps not the best stage for our

children and for raising awareness or having research done to find

out what is happening to our children and why. Perhaps because we

have truly hit a paradigm shift...

As Dr. Agin states the EFAs actually appear to be in some

ways " curing " the apraxic child -even those diagnosed with severe

oral and verbal apraxia, hypotonia, sensory and behavioral issues.

Especially those started at younger ages.

The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no longer

fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

either...

Some of the parents become more focused on other everyday activities

with their child and start to drift away from the support sources.

Problem with this attitude is that unless your child is really up to

speed on all aspects of speech and language, the support sources

that helped in the beginning will still benefit your child today.

ProEFA alone is not the only answer and until we know how and why it

works (or why in a handful of children it doesn't) we can't improve

on it "

EFA tips and sources

http://www.cherab. org/information/ dietaryeffects/ efatips.html

http://www.cherab. org/information/ dietaryeffects/ efabasics. html

Hope that helps!

=====

[Guest guest]

huh...

What trials? You mean the anecdotal ones initiated by this group -CHERAB?

http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/Englemed.html

That was written about in The Late Talker book?

http://www.speech-express.com/late.talker.html

At times the NN* ProEFA dosage was " per one capsule " and then NN

switched it to " per two capsules " . Some online companies probably

didn't change it -but it's still the same product. Not just NN

sells NN products. Both the NN pro/professional & commercial lines.

NN ProEFA Jr. is a half dosage of ProEFA which is what we all used back

then -ProEFA Jr wasn't even invented yet. The dosage on the bottles

at times lists the dosage as per two capsules, not one (for example -

the ProEFA Jr. since that's the dosage you were looking for)

Again 2 ProEFA Jr is equal to one capsule of ProEFA -which is what

most of us used for years. The Jr version is great for 1/2 dosage -

or for teaching a child how to swallow the capsules -other than that

it's about twice as expensive. Cuter bottle however -I'll give it

that.

Or did I miss something else -could it be possible there was a trial

with ProEFA I don't know about that's not here?!

http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html

(yay if there is... and please do share!)

*NN = Nordic Naturals

=====

[Guest guest]

my girlfriend emailed me yesterday and said she found some in

strawberry for her son and he loves it. They found it at GNC

>

> Where did you find the peach variety? I called Nordic Naturals to

order some, and they told me it only comes in lemon. They said that

the cod liver oil comes in peach flavor. Please help me with this. I

would love to be able to use the peach, since he is allergic to citrus.

>

> Thank you so much.

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: myra.bauza@...

>

>

> Pro-EFA also comes in a peach variety...

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I meant the anecdotal trials initiated by your group, which I read about on

your website.

Yes, the NN ProEFA dosage was at that time per one capsule. Each capsule

contained EPA 148 mg; DHA 99 mg; and GLA 40 mg according to the label on the

bottle on your shop-in-service page and the information in your archives.

Now the NN ProEFA dosage is per two capsules, as you wrote. Per two capsules of

EPA is 270 mg; DHA is 180 mg; GLA 66 mg. Dividing in half, each capsule now is

EPA 135mg; DHA 90mg; GLA 33 mg. This would be the one capsule dosage given.

These amounts differ from the original ProEFA used in your trials. This is what

is concerning me. Does this difference matter?

And yes, as you said, the ProEFA Junior is per two capsules. But two capsules

of this do have EPA 148 mg; DHA 98 mg; and GLA 36mg. This is all but identical

to the original ProEFA used in your trials. However, it is more expensive to

use, so I have been looking at the ProEFA. I just need to know whether the new

amounts of EPA, DHA, and GLA in the ProEFA work as just as well as the original

formula did.

Also, my son has an allergy to citric acids. This product does contain lemon

oil, which I am hoping is less acidic than the actual lemon juice would be. We

will try it, but if he can't tolerate the lemon, then I would absolutely love to

know of a similar product that does not contain lemon oil. I am trying to

research all this and find products, and I am just plain not able to find what I

need, should the lemon cause a problem.

You can't know how much I appreciate your help and all the wonderful stories

about Tanner.

Thank you.

Suzanne

[ ] Re: Omega 9

[Guest guest]

If your girlfriend found EFAs in strawberry flavor...and it was

Nordic Naturals brand, then it was DHA Jr./cod liver oil.

This is just all misinformation -and understandable to me since the

brand name sounds just like what the product is.

Clarification -Nordic Naturals product ProEFA (or it's commercial

version) only comes in lemon flavor. The name ProEFA can be

misunderstood as being 'any' essential fatty acid (EFA) But there

are (again) other " ProEFA " brand name fish oils out there that are

not ProEFA from Nordic Naturals. You can't trademark a name that

stands for what the product is.

Here is one wrong brand of " ProEFA " (way too high in GLA for one)

http://supplementdealer.com/prolab-proefa-60-softgels.html

If it was a Nordic Natural's product that was in strawberry (or

peach for that matter) it's cod liver oil. If it's in orange it's

probably Coromega -which if you are going to use a pure Omega 3 you

are better off with that one since at least it's high in EPA.

Cod liver oil is a pure Omega 3, no GLA Omega 6, and higher in DHA

then EPA in most cases, so it's healthy -but for almost all it's not

the right formula if speech surges are what you are looking for.

For example here's the scoop on DHA Jr

DHA Junior contains 30 mg of DHA, 20 mg of EPA, 210 IU of Vitamin A,

and 21 IU of Vitamin D (per 1 Gelcap).

Nordic Naturals' Berry Keen cod liver oil (formerly Peachy Keen) per

1/2 tsp. was 350 mg of DHA and 225 mg of EPA. I don't believe they

even make it any more since I can't find it on their site...but

never used it so don't know.

Clip archive on cod liver oil:

ProEFA is an Omega 3 (DHA and higher EPA) formula with a small

amount of Omega 6 (GLA) The Omega 3 in the ProEFA is from fish oil -

not from the liver of the fish -so no vitamin A. Only fish oil made

from the

liver of the fish contain vitamin A.

Children's DHA is cod liver oil which since it's from the liver of

the cod fish, it naturally contains Vitamin A. Cod liver oil only

contains Omega 3 (DHA and EPA) about that point:

" Most of our experience is with one, 1.0 gram capsule of ProEFA

(Complete Omega) that contains 144 mg EPA, 99 mg DHA and 40 mg of

GLA. We know that this combination appeared to work well. There

were some other supplements used but we could not conclude anything

about them. I can only say that both EPA and DHA are important and

GLA appears to have an additional positive effect on speech.

ALA, linoleic and oleic acids in " The Total Omega " contribute very

little to the EPA, DHA, and GLA effect.

I see at least 2 possibilities that you could use if you decide to

make the transition from short-chain omega-3s in plants (flax seed

oil containing alpha-linolenic acid or ALA, C18:2n-3) to the long-

chain mixture of EPA (C20:5n-3) and DHA (C22:6n-3). These are DHA

Jr. (30 mg DHA and 20 mg EPA in a serving unit) and Coromega (350 mg

EPA and 230 mg DHA). Both of these have been anecdotally successful

in the past.

Coromega can be divided in two and taken one half in the morning the

other in the evening. If you choose this mode you will provide your

son with the equivalent EPA+DHA of 2 ProEFA capsules per day without

the GLA.

Flax seed oil or freshly ground flax seeds are an excellent source

of the essential omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid (ALA or LNA) which is

the quintessential parent member of the omega-3 family of essential

fatty acids (EFAs). The body transforms it into EPA and the EPA

into DHA. This transformation is very inefficient (the yield is

about 10%) and is further inhibited by over consumption of omega-6

fatty acids from most vegetable oils or certain disease states.

Therefore, it is advisable to independently consume also ready made

EPA and DHA from good quality fish of from high quality fish oil

supplements. Some recommended intakes are listed on the

Introductory lecture on EFAs that I gave at the First Conference on

Therapy of Verbal Apraxia, July 23-24, 2001, town, NJ. (

http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html )

The CHERAB Foundation's positive research results on potential

improvement in speech following EFA supplementation are based

on the use of ProEFA (Complete Omega) and that contains also

another essential fatty acid, GLA which is an omega-6 fatty acid.

The latter appears to be beneficial to children with apraxia. It is

not present in flax seed/flaxseed oil.

None of these materials present with any known side effects or

known toxicity in an otherwise healthy person. Nevertheless, we

advise every user of supplements to use them under medical

supervision. We don't know your child and we cannot provide you

with medical advice.

Sincerely,

Katz, Ph.D. "

" I will use the following examples with the brand name ProEFA since

that's the formula/dosage that seems to work the best for most of us

(Efalex and EyeQ are similar Omega 3/6 formulas that also have good

reports) For any brand name of Omega 3/6 formula -you could make

the same formula by mixing together fish oil and either primrose or

borage seed oil if you prefer -or as found -another brand

name with a similar formula (and I hope also a good quality)

If you mix two fish oils together which is fine if you know why you

are doing that: Look at the amount of DHA, EPA (Omega 3) and the

amount of GLA (Omega 6) and then add them all together to see what

formula and dosage you now have is. So for those of you that ask -

you can mix any brand names together you would like -however what

you could change is the three things above (dosage, formula and

*quality (*if one of the companies you start using has rancid oils

which is not uncommon when it comes to fish oils -so make sure all

brands you use are pure) Keep in mind in anecdotal feedback done by

parents from all over through CHERAB -that pure Omega 3 or pure

Omega 6 either showed no results -or very little results in almost

all cases. Pure Omega 3 would include pure cod liver oil, fish oil,

flax seed oil without any Omega 6. So even though there is only a

small amount of GLA (Omega 6) in the formulas we found to be

successful -GLA appears to be important to be there for some

reason. GLA has anti-inflammatory properties which perhaps enable

to DHA and EPA to get to where it's needed in the brain?

Dosage of one capsule a day ProEFA that at the lowest dosage appears

to be the best -

148 mg EPA

99 mg DHA

40 mg GLA

Here is what many of us have found to be the best plan

anecdotally:

....start with the basic formula, one ProEFA a day, we

saw surges in a few days to three weeks which continued for months -

we then reached a plateau after around 6 months.

At this point we raised the dosage to two capsules of ProEFA a day

and once again had those surges which lasted again for months.

When we reached the next plateau after around a year, instead of

going to three a day - we squeezed 1/2 to one capsule of ProEPA into

the 2 capsules of ProEFA and for almost all of us that try -that

created another surge.

Over time -you may raise the dosage up higher -and you may slightly

change the formula to raise the Omega 3 over the Omega 6 ratio.

Most found raising the EPA vs. the DHA or GLA to be best -but

you need to know your own child, keep track of his progress through

both your own observations and that of the professionals -with the

advice of your child's doctor -to know what is best for him/her.

There is much more in the archives both here -as well as more

information at

http://www.cherab.org/information/indexinformation.html#diet

http://www.speechville.com

Since I receive lots of calls about this -I wanted to list the most

common changes in an apraxic or other speech disordered child on

EFAs from what I've read and heard and seen.

1. Increase in babbling or attempts at sounds.

2. Increase in imitation.

Changes also can be looked for in (what you see as positive or

negative)

sleep

attention

appetite

focus

behavior

stools

Next will come a breakthrough of something you were probably working

on for a bit -so you will be excited but will think " Well -I don't

want to get my hopes up we were working on that for awhile now -

maybe it's just a coincidence " However after the second or third

surge in a short period of time -and then another - you are pretty

sure things are different and it's at this point the professionals

and the rest of the family and your friends are noticing it too -

maybe about two to three weeks now.

OK -the next stage is pure elation and hope -you see the light and

no longer feel as desperate and want to share this new information

with everyone and anyone. As the months go by and your child

continues to progress at a much more rapid rate -you may even start

to doubt the original diagnosis -especially if you started EFA

supplementation at two -and perhaps the SLP that diagnosed the

apraxia who also was at first excited is starting to second guess if

the original diagnosis was correct as well.

Unless you have to stop the ProEFA (or other Essential Fatty Acids)

and literally have the chance to see the regression of acquired

speech and language skills, attempts, and changes in behavior like

we did with Tanner (and/or have a chance to again witness the second

surge when your child is put back on the EFAs) -that doubt will

probably remain somewhere in your mind and in others around your

child. So the " I told you that he would start talking when he was

ready " comments should be expected of course.

Up to this point is understandable to me -it's the point after this

that is confusing to me, and perhaps not the best stage for our

children and for raising awareness or having research done to find

out what is happening to our children and why. Perhaps because we

have truly hit a paradigm shift...

As Dr. Agin states the EFAs actually appear to be in some

ways " curing " the apraxic child -even those diagnosed with severe

oral and verbal apraxia, hypotonia, sensory and behavioral issues.

Especially those started at younger ages.

The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no longer

fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

either...

Some of the parents become more focused on other everyday activities

with their child and start to drift away from the support sources.

Problem with this attitude is that unless your child is really up to

speed on all aspects of speech and language, the support sources

that helped in the beginning will still benefit your child today.

ProEFA alone is not the only answer and until we know how and why it

works (or why in a handful of children it doesn't) we can't improve

on it "

EFA tips and sources

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efatips.html

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efabasics.html

Hope that helps!

=====

[Guest guest]

Hi Kala,

Can you find out what the brand name is of the product your girlfriend got at

GNC that is strawberry? We have three or four of the stores in our area, and

they don't seem to carry all of the same products.

Thank you so much.

Suzanne

[ ] Re: Omega 9

my girlfriend emailed me yesterday and said she found

some in

strawberry for her son and he loves it. They found it at GNC

>

> Where did you find the peach variety? I called Nordic Naturals to

order some, and they told me it only comes in lemon. They said that

the cod liver oil comes in peach flavor. Please help me with this. I

would love to be able to use the peach, since he is allergic to citrus.

>

> Thank you so much.

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: myra.bauza@. ..

> @groups. com

>

> Pro-EFA also comes in a peach variety...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kala,

I'm sorry..the peach variety was the Cod Liver Oil which is what I gave my

son for a year before the Pro-EFA which is lemon flavored. He doesn't like

it..but I sneak it in his pureed fruit..if your son is allergic to citrus

that will not be his best option. I've not seen it in other flavors. Sorry

for the misinformation.

Suzanne Hi Kala,

Can you find out what the brand name is of the product your girlfriend got

at GNC that is strawberry? We have three or four of the stores in our

area, and they don't seem to carry all of the same products.

Thank you so much.

Suzanne

[ ] Re: Omega 9

my girlfriend emailed me yesterday and said she

found some in

strawberry for her son and he loves it. They found it at GNC

[Guest guest]

Nordic Natural's ProEFA contains lesser amounts of each of the EPA, DHA, and

GLA than when it was used in the trials. The only product I see on their

website that contains those same amounts as were used in the trials is the

ProEFA junior gels, and actually, I saw that as being sold by another company,

although made by Nordic Naturals. This product is not on Nordic Naturals

website. Maybe their site is not up to date. I wonder why they changed the

original ProEFA.

The Nordic Naturals ProEFA liquid and Complete Omega-3-6-9 liquid are very close

to the original ProEFA formula used in the trials, closer than their ProEFA as

it now appears on their website.

So, is everyone using the ProEFA, capsules, now with lesser amounts than what

was used in the trials, and still, it works fine? I know it was suggested that

I not get caught up just now in the amounts, but I am concerned about the change

and want to make sure that the ProEFA is as effective as it was when used in the

trials and that everyone is still seeing good results with it.

Thank you so much.

Suzanne

[ ] Re: Omega 9

If your girlfriend found EFAs in strawberry

flavor...and it was

Nordic Naturals brand, then it was DHA Jr./cod liver oil.

This is just all misinformation -and understandable to me since the

brand name sounds just like what the product is.

Clarification -Nordic Naturals product ProEFA (or it's commercial

version) only comes in lemon flavor. The name ProEFA can be

misunderstood as being 'any' essential fatty acid (EFA) But there

are (again) other " ProEFA " brand name fish oils out there that are

not ProEFA from Nordic Naturals. You can't trademark a name that

stands for what the product is.

Here is one wrong brand of " ProEFA " (way too high in GLA for one)

http://supplementde aler.com/ prolab-proefa- 60-softgels. html

If it was a Nordic Natural's product that was in strawberry (or

peach for that matter) it's cod liver oil. If it's in orange it's

probably Coromega -which if you are going to use a pure Omega 3 you

are better off with that one since at least it's high in EPA.

Cod liver oil is a pure Omega 3, no GLA Omega 6, and higher in DHA

then EPA in most cases, so it's healthy -but for almost all it's not

the right formula if speech surges are what you are looking for.

For example here's the scoop on DHA Jr

DHA Junior contains 30 mg of DHA, 20 mg of EPA, 210 IU of Vitamin A,

and 21 IU of Vitamin D (per 1 Gelcap).

Nordic Naturals' Berry Keen cod liver oil (formerly Peachy Keen) per

1/2 tsp. was 350 mg of DHA and 225 mg of EPA. I don't believe they

even make it any more since I can't find it on their site...but

never used it so don't know.

Clip archive on cod liver oil:

ProEFA is an Omega 3 (DHA and higher EPA) formula with a small

amount of Omega 6 (GLA) The Omega 3 in the ProEFA is from fish oil -

not from the liver of the fish -so no vitamin A. Only fish oil made

from the

liver of the fish contain vitamin A.

Children's DHA is cod liver oil which since it's from the liver of

the cod fish, it naturally contains Vitamin A. Cod liver oil only

contains Omega 3 (DHA and EPA) about that point:

" Most of our experience is with one, 1.0 gram capsule of ProEFA

(Complete Omega) that contains 144 mg EPA, 99 mg DHA and 40 mg of

GLA. We know that this combination appeared to work well. There

were some other supplements used but we could not conclude anything

about them. I can only say that both EPA and DHA are important and

GLA appears to have an additional positive effect on speech.

ALA, linoleic and oleic acids in " The Total Omega " contribute very

little to the EPA, DHA, and GLA effect.

I see at least 2 possibilities that you could use if you decide to

make the transition from short-chain omega-3s in plants (flax seed

oil containing alpha-linolenic acid or ALA, C18:2n-3) to the long-

chain mixture of EPA (C20:5n-3) and DHA (C22:6n-3). These are DHA

Jr. (30 mg DHA and 20 mg EPA in a serving unit) and Coromega (350 mg

EPA and 230 mg DHA). Both of these have been anecdotally successful

in the past.

Coromega can be divided in two and taken one half in the morning the

other in the evening. If you choose this mode you will provide your

son with the equivalent EPA+DHA of 2 ProEFA capsules per day without

the GLA.

Flax seed oil or freshly ground flax seeds are an excellent source

of the essential omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid (ALA or LNA) which is

the quintessential parent member of the omega-3 family of essential

fatty acids (EFAs). The body transforms it into EPA and the EPA

into DHA. This transformation is very inefficient (the yield is

about 10%) and is further inhibited by over consumption of omega-6

fatty acids from most vegetable oils or certain disease states.

Therefore, it is advisable to independently consume also ready made

EPA and DHA from good quality fish of from high quality fish oil

supplements. Some recommended intakes are listed on the

Introductory lecture on EFAs that I gave at the First Conference on

Therapy of Verbal Apraxia, July 23-24, 2001, town, NJ. (

http://www.cherab. org/news/ scientific. html )

The CHERAB Foundation's positive research results on potential

improvement in speech following EFA supplementation are based

on the use of ProEFA (Complete Omega) and that contains also

another essential fatty acid, GLA which is an omega-6 fatty acid.

The latter appears to be beneficial to children with apraxia. It is

not present in flax seed/flaxseed oil.

None of these materials present with any known side effects or

known toxicity in an otherwise healthy person. Nevertheless, we

advise every user of supplements to use them under medical

supervision. We don't know your child and we cannot provide you

with medical advice.

Sincerely,

Katz, Ph.D. "

" I will use the following examples with the brand name ProEFA since

that's the formula/dosage that seems to work the best for most of us

(Efalex and EyeQ are similar Omega 3/6 formulas that also have good

reports) For any brand name of Omega 3/6 formula -you could make

the same formula by mixing together fish oil and either primrose or

borage seed oil if you prefer -or as found -another brand

name with a similar formula (and I hope also a good quality)

If you mix two fish oils together which is fine if you know why you

are doing that: Look at the amount of DHA, EPA (Omega 3) and the

amount of GLA (Omega 6) and then add them all together to see what

formula and dosage you now have is. So for those of you that ask -

you can mix any brand names together you would like -however what

you could change is the three things above (dosage, formula and

*quality (*if one of the companies you start using has rancid oils

which is not uncommon when it comes to fish oils -so make sure all

brands you use are pure) Keep in mind in anecdotal feedback done by

parents from all over through CHERAB -that pure Omega 3 or pure

Omega 6 either showed no results -or very little results in almost

all cases. Pure Omega 3 would include pure cod liver oil, fish oil,

flax seed oil without any Omega 6. So even though there is only a

small amount of GLA (Omega 6) in the formulas we found to be

successful -GLA appears to be important to be there for some

reason. GLA has anti-inflammatory properties which perhaps enable

to DHA and EPA to get to where it's needed in the brain?

Dosage of one capsule a day ProEFA that at the lowest dosage appears

to be the best -

148 mg EPA

99 mg DHA

40 mg GLA

Here is what many of us have found to be the best plan

anecdotally:

...start with the basic formula, one ProEFA a day, we

saw surges in a few days to three weeks which continued for months -

we then reached a plateau after around 6 months.

At this point we raised the dosage to two capsules of ProEFA a day

and once again had those surges which lasted again for months.

When we reached the next plateau after around a year, instead of

going to three a day - we squeezed 1/2 to one capsule of ProEPA into

the 2 capsules of ProEFA and for almost all of us that try -that

created another surge.

Over time -you may raise the dosage up higher -and you may slightly

change the formula to raise the Omega 3 over the Omega 6 ratio.

Most found raising the EPA vs. the DHA or GLA to be best -but

you need to know your own child, keep track of his progress through

both your own observations and that of the professionals -with the

advice of your child's doctor -to know what is best for him/her.

There is much more in the archives both here -as well as more

information at

http://www.cherab. org/information/ indexinformation .html#diet

http://www.speechvi lle.com

Since I receive lots of calls about this -I wanted to list the most

common changes in an apraxic or other speech disordered child on

EFAs from what I've read and heard and seen.

1. Increase in babbling or attempts at sounds.

2. Increase in imitation.

Changes also can be looked for in (what you see as positive or

negative)

sleep

attention

appetite

focus

behavior

stools

Next will come a breakthrough of something you were probably working

on for a bit -so you will be excited but will think " Well -I don't

want to get my hopes up we were working on that for awhile now -

maybe it's just a coincidence " However after the second or third

surge in a short period of time -and then another - you are pretty

sure things are different and it's at this point the professionals

and the rest of the family and your friends are noticing it too -

maybe about two to three weeks now.

OK -the next stage is pure elation and hope -you see the light and

no longer feel as desperate and want to share this new information

with everyone and anyone. As the months go by and your child

continues to progress at a much more rapid rate -you may even start

to doubt the original diagnosis -especially if you started EFA

supplementation at two -and perhaps the SLP that diagnosed the

apraxia who also was at first excited is starting to second guess if

the original diagnosis was correct as well.

Unless you have to stop the ProEFA (or other Essential Fatty Acids)

and literally have the chance to see the regression of acquired

speech and language skills, attempts, and changes in behavior like

we did with Tanner (and/or have a chance to again witness the second

surge when your child is put back on the EFAs) -that doubt will

probably remain somewhere in your mind and in others around your

child. So the " I told you that he would start talking when he was

ready " comments should be expected of course.

Up to this point is understandable to me -it's the point after this

that is confusing to me, and perhaps not the best stage for our

children and for raising awareness or having research done to find

out what is happening to our children and why. Perhaps because we

have truly hit a paradigm shift...

As Dr. Agin states the EFAs actually appear to be in some

ways " curing " the apraxic child -even those diagnosed with severe

oral and verbal apraxia, hypotonia, sensory and behavioral issues.

Especially those started at younger ages.

The child on ProEFA or some other EFA formula's like it no longer

fits the criteria of the classic definition of apraxia -and yet

doesn't fit the classic perception of what a late talker is

either...

Some of the parents become more focused on other everyday activities

with their child and start to drift away from the support sources.

Problem with this attitude is that unless your child is really up to

speed on all aspects of speech and language, the support sources

that helped in the beginning will still benefit your child today.

ProEFA alone is not the only answer and until we know how and why it

works (or why in a handful of children it doesn't) we can't improve

on it "

EFA tips and sources

http://www.cherab. org/information/ dietaryeffects/ efatips.html

http://www.cherab. org/information/ dietaryeffects/ efabasics. html

Hope that helps!

=====

[Guest guest]

huh...

What trials? You mean the anecdotal ones initiated by this group -CHERAB?

http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/Englemed.html

That was written about in The Late Talker book?

http://www.speech-express.com/late.talker.html

At times the NN* ProEFA dosage was " per one capsule " and then NN

switched it to " per two capsules " . Some online companies probably

didn't change it -but it's still the same product. Not just NN

sells NN products. Both the NN pro/professional & commercial lines.

NN ProEFA Jr. is a half dosage of ProEFA which is what we all used back

then -ProEFA Jr wasn't even invented yet. The dosage on the bottles

at times lists the dosage as per two capsules, not one (for example -

the ProEFA Jr. since that's the dosage you were looking for)

Again 2 ProEFA Jr is equal to one capsule of ProEFA -which is what

most of us used for years. The Jr version is great for 1/2 dosage -

or for teaching a child how to swallow the capsules -other than that

it's about twice as expensive. Cuter bottle however -I'll give it

that.

Or did I miss something else -could it be possible there was a trial

with ProEFA I don't know about that's not here?!

http://www.cherab.org/information/historyEFA.html

(yay if there is... and please do share!)

*NN = Nordic Naturals

=====

[Guest guest]

Yes, I meant the anecdotal trials initiated by your group, which I read about on

your website.

Yes, the NN ProEFA dosage was at that time per one capsule. Each capsule

contained EPA 148 mg; DHA 99 mg; and GLA 40 mg according to the label on the

bottle on your shop-in-service page and the information in your archives.

Now the NN ProEFA dosage is per two capsules, as you wrote. Per two capsules of

EPA is 270 mg; DHA is 180 mg; GLA 66 mg. Dividing in half, each capsule now is

EPA 135mg; DHA 90mg; GLA 33 mg. This would be the one capsule dosage given.

These amounts differ from the original ProEFA used in your trials. This is what

is concerning me. Does this difference matter?

And yes, as you said, the ProEFA Junior is per two capsules. But two capsules

of this do have EPA 148 mg; DHA 98 mg; and GLA 36mg. This is all but identical

to the original ProEFA used in your trials. However, it is more expensive to

use, so I have been looking at the ProEFA. I just need to know whether the new

amounts of EPA, DHA, and GLA in the ProEFA work as just as well as the original

formula did.

Also, my son has an allergy to citric acids. This product does contain lemon

oil, which I am hoping is less acidic than the actual lemon juice would be. We

will try it, but if he can't tolerate the lemon, then I would absolutely love to

know of a similar product that does not contain lemon oil. I am trying to

research all this and find products, and I am just plain not able to find what I

need, should the lemon cause a problem.

You can't know how much I appreciate your help and all the wonderful stories

about Tanner.

Thank you.

Suzanne

[ ] Re: Omega 9

[Guest guest]

Gotcha Suzanne! Thanks for pointing that out. So I checked the

ProEFA and ProEFA Jr bottles (I have the newest bottles hot off the

presses to check) and actually both are exactly the same except the

ProEFA Jr -the new ones anyway, have the exact 1/2 dosage of the (new?)

ProEFA. If you are are still seeing the ProEFA Jr with the older

mgs - either you have an older bottle, or online websites have the

old mg up since they are around the same and a big deal wasn't made

of this. When ordered however you'd get the new/old ProEFA/Jr.

I called NN to find out what's up with the same but slightly lower

dosage and they assured me the formula is the same -just better accuracy

in knowing what's actually in each capsule by weight. They directed

me to share this press release with the group:

Nordic Naturals Adopts Scandinavian Label Standard For Fish Oil

Supplements 2005-06-08 - Nordic Naturals

http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templates/newsATemp.aspx?articleid=12667 & zoneid=3

So here are the numbers...

Prior dosage of ProEFA that has been listed many times (per capsule -

ProEFA Jr was 1/2 of this per capsule)

148 mg EPA

99 mg DHA

40 mg GLA

The ProEFA bottle today now says per 'one' capsule and the ProEFA Jr

bottle today now says per 'two' capsules is:

EPA 135 mg

DHA 90 mg

GLA 33 mg

I can tell you that I have not noticed any regression in my son -and

if you check the archives the surges for most are still going

strong.

While I was looking up the press release -thought this one was a

good one to share as well

Nordic Naturals Scores Highest in Norwegian Quality Tests

2006-01-05 - Nordic Naturals

http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templates/newsATemp.aspx?articleid=14526 & zoneid=22

So appears you'd be as golden as fish oil using the new ProEFA since

it is the same as the old ProEFA.

=====

[Guest guest]

I was just at the nordic naturals website. do i want proEFA or do i

want omega 3-6-9 junior? and how much would i give my son hes 5 and

weighs around 40 pounds? TIA im kind of anxious to try it and see if

there is an improvement.

>

> Yes, I meant the anecdotal trials initiated by your group, which I

read about on your website.

>

> Yes, the NN ProEFA dosage was at that time per one capsule. Each

capsule contained EPA 148 mg; DHA 99 mg; and GLA 40 mg according to

the label on the bottle on your shop-in-service page and the

information in your archives.

>

> Now the NN ProEFA dosage is per two capsules, as you wrote. Per

two capsules of EPA is 270 mg; DHA is 180 mg; GLA 66 mg. Dividing

in half, each capsule now is EPA 135mg; DHA 90mg; GLA 33 mg. This

would be the one capsule dosage given. These amounts differ from the

original ProEFA used in your trials. This is what is concerning me.

Does this difference matter?

>

> And yes, as you said, the ProEFA Junior is per two capsules. But

two capsules of this do have EPA 148 mg; DHA 98 mg; and GLA 36mg.

This is all but identical to the original ProEFA used in your

trials. However, it is more expensive to use, so I have been looking

at the ProEFA. I just need to know whether the new amounts of EPA,

DHA, and GLA in the ProEFA work as just as well as the original

formula did.

>

> Also, my son has an allergy to citric acids. This product does

contain lemon oil, which I am hoping is less acidic than the actual

lemon juice would be. We will try it, but if he can't tolerate the

lemon, then I would absolutely love to know of a similar product that

does not contain lemon oil. I am trying to research all this and

find products, and I am just plain not able to find what I need,

should the lemon cause a problem.

>

> You can't know how much I appreciate your help and all the

wonderful stories about Tanner.

>

> Thank you.

> Suzanne

>

>

>

>

> [ ] Re: Omega 9

>

[Guest guest]

This whole thread is why I made a spreadsheet to compare dosages. I

even found discrepancies for the same product -- Nordic Natural's own

website has less " label info " than others. Hint Hint -- -- add the

label info to your Shop In Service

<http://shopinserviceinc2.goemerchant1.com/index.cgi?PageToView=catalog & \

Department=186040 & Cartid=23481155352728 & Merchant=shopinserviceinc2 & Expan\

dedDepts=> (Change on-click to the label info instead of the label

picture -- your webmaster will get this) []

>

> Gotcha Suzanne! Thanks for pointing that out. So I checked the

> ProEFA and ProEFA Jr bottles (I have the newest bottles hot off the

> presses to check) and actually both are exactly the same except the

> ProEFA Jr -the new ones anyway, have the exact 1/2 dosage of the

(new?)

> ProEFA. If you are are still seeing the ProEFA Jr with the older

> mgs - either you have an older bottle, or online websites have the

> old mg up since they are around the same and a big deal wasn't made

> of this. When ordered however you'd get the new/old ProEFA/Jr.

>

> I called NN to find out what's up with the same but slightly lower

> dosage and they assured me the formula is the same -just better

accuracy

> in knowing what's actually in each capsule by weight. They directed

> me to share this press release with the group:

> Nordic Naturals Adopts Scandinavian Label Standard For Fish Oil

> Supplements 2005-06-08 - Nordic Naturals

>

http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templates/newsATemp.aspx?articleid=12667 & zo\

neid=3

>

> So here are the numbers...

>

> Prior dosage of ProEFA that has been listed many times (per capsule -

> ProEFA Jr was 1/2 of this per capsule)

> 148 mg EPA

> 99 mg DHA

> 40 mg GLA

>

>

> The ProEFA bottle today now says per 'one' capsule and the ProEFA Jr

> bottle today now says per 'two' capsules is:

> EPA 135 mg

> DHA 90 mg

> GLA 33 mg

>

> I can tell you that I have not noticed any regression in my son -and

> if you check the archives the surges for most are still going

> strong.

>

> While I was looking up the press release -thought this one was a

> good one to share as well

> Nordic Naturals Scores Highest in Norwegian Quality Tests

> 2006-01-05 - Nordic Naturals

>

http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templates/newsATemp.aspx?articleid=14526 & zo\

neid=22

>

> So appears you'd be as golden as fish oil using the new ProEFA since

> it is the same as the old ProEFA.

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Gotcha Suzanne! Thanks for pointing that out. So I checked the

ProEFA and ProEFA Jr bottles (I have the newest bottles hot off the

presses to check) and actually both are exactly the same except the

ProEFA Jr -the new ones anyway, have the exact 1/2 dosage of the (new?)

ProEFA. If you are are still seeing the ProEFA Jr with the older

mgs - either you have an older bottle, or online websites have the

old mg up since they are around the same and a big deal wasn't made

of this. When ordered however you'd get the new/old ProEFA/Jr.

I called NN to find out what's up with the same but slightly lower

dosage and they assured me the formula is the same -just better accuracy

in knowing what's actually in each capsule by weight. They directed

me to share this press release with the group:

Nordic Naturals Adopts Scandinavian Label Standard For Fish Oil

Supplements 2005-06-08 - Nordic Naturals

http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templates/newsATemp.aspx?articleid=12667 & zoneid=3

So here are the numbers...

Prior dosage of ProEFA that has been listed many times (per capsule -

ProEFA Jr was 1/2 of this per capsule)

148 mg EPA

99 mg DHA

40 mg GLA

The ProEFA bottle today now says per 'one' capsule and the ProEFA Jr

bottle today now says per 'two' capsules is:

EPA 135 mg

DHA 90 mg

GLA 33 mg

I can tell you that I have not noticed any regression in my son -and

if you check the archives the surges for most are still going

strong.

While I was looking up the press release -thought this one was a

good one to share as well

Nordic Naturals Scores Highest in Norwegian Quality Tests

2006-01-05 - Nordic Naturals

http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templates/newsATemp.aspx?articleid=14526 & zoneid=22

So appears you'd be as golden as fish oil using the new ProEFA since

it is the same as the old ProEFA.

=====

[Guest guest]

I was just at the nordic naturals website. do i want proEFA or do i

want omega 3-6-9 junior? and how much would i give my son hes 5 and

weighs around 40 pounds? TIA im kind of anxious to try it and see if

there is an improvement.

>

> Yes, I meant the anecdotal trials initiated by your group, which I

read about on your website.

>

> Yes, the NN ProEFA dosage was at that time per one capsule. Each

capsule contained EPA 148 mg; DHA 99 mg; and GLA 40 mg according to

the label on the bottle on your shop-in-service page and the

information in your archives.

>

> Now the NN ProEFA dosage is per two capsules, as you wrote. Per

two capsules of EPA is 270 mg; DHA is 180 mg; GLA 66 mg. Dividing

in half, each capsule now is EPA 135mg; DHA 90mg; GLA 33 mg. This

would be the one capsule dosage given. These amounts differ from the

original ProEFA used in your trials. This is what is concerning me.

Does this difference matter?

>

> And yes, as you said, the ProEFA Junior is per two capsules. But

two capsules of this do have EPA 148 mg; DHA 98 mg; and GLA 36mg.

This is all but identical to the original ProEFA used in your

trials. However, it is more expensive to use, so I have been looking

at the ProEFA. I just need to know whether the new amounts of EPA,

DHA, and GLA in the ProEFA work as just as well as the original

formula did.

>

> Also, my son has an allergy to citric acids. This product does

contain lemon oil, which I am hoping is less acidic than the actual

lemon juice would be. We will try it, but if he can't tolerate the

lemon, then I would absolutely love to know of a similar product that

does not contain lemon oil. I am trying to research all this and

find products, and I am just plain not able to find what I need,

should the lemon cause a problem.

>

> You can't know how much I appreciate your help and all the

wonderful stories about Tanner.

>

> Thank you.

> Suzanne

>

>

>

>

> [ ] Re: Omega 9

>

[Guest guest]

This whole thread is why I made a spreadsheet to compare dosages. I

even found discrepancies for the same product -- Nordic Natural's own

website has less " label info " than others. Hint Hint -- -- add the

label info to your Shop In Service

<http://shopinserviceinc2.goemerchant1.com/index.cgi?PageToView=catalog & \

Department=186040 & Cartid=23481155352728 & Merchant=shopinserviceinc2 & Expan\

dedDepts=> (Change on-click to the label info instead of the label

picture -- your webmaster will get this) []

>

> Gotcha Suzanne! Thanks for pointing that out. So I checked the

> ProEFA and ProEFA Jr bottles (I have the newest bottles hot off the

> presses to check) and actually both are exactly the same except the

> ProEFA Jr -the new ones anyway, have the exact 1/2 dosage of the

(new?)

> ProEFA. If you are are still seeing the ProEFA Jr with the older

> mgs - either you have an older bottle, or online websites have the

> old mg up since they are around the same and a big deal wasn't made

> of this. When ordered however you'd get the new/old ProEFA/Jr.

>

> I called NN to find out what's up with the same but slightly lower

> dosage and they assured me the formula is the same -just better

accuracy

> in knowing what's actually in each capsule by weight. They directed

> me to share this press release with the group:

> Nordic Naturals Adopts Scandinavian Label Standard For Fish Oil

> Supplements 2005-06-08 - Nordic Naturals

>

http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templates/newsATemp.aspx?articleid=12667 & zo\

neid=3

>

> So here are the numbers...

>

> Prior dosage of ProEFA that has been listed many times (per capsule -

> ProEFA Jr was 1/2 of this per capsule)

> 148 mg EPA

> 99 mg DHA

> 40 mg GLA

>

>

> The ProEFA bottle today now says per 'one' capsule and the ProEFA Jr

> bottle today now says per 'two' capsules is:

> EPA 135 mg

> DHA 90 mg

> GLA 33 mg

>

> I can tell you that I have not noticed any regression in my son -and

> if you check the archives the surges for most are still going

> strong.

>

> While I was looking up the press release -thought this one was a

> good one to share as well

> Nordic Naturals Scores Highest in Norwegian Quality Tests

> 2006-01-05 - Nordic Naturals

>

http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templates/newsATemp.aspx?articleid=14526 & zo\

neid=22

>

> So appears you'd be as golden as fish oil using the new ProEFA since

> it is the same as the old ProEFA.

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Hey guys!

Speaking of subtle differences, the spread sheet can't be 100%

accurate unless you only have companies that use the Scandinavian

Label standards of weight and volume, or only companies that use the

US measuring standards of just weight.

Since NN brand is a US company that uses Scandinavian measuring

standards -it is misleading in that it makes it 'appear' that ProEFA

now has a slightly lower dosage, when it's in reality no different

then before if just the weight was used as most US brands do.

(or if you want to use Scandinavian Label Standards...

it was then as it is now!)

PR again that explains why NN had chosen in 2005 to measure mg by

weight and volume where all or just about all other US companies

only measure by weight.

" While it is common in Scandinavia to measure EPA and DHA

concentration in fish oil by volume, the US currently has a standard

of measuring them only by weight. Since it has become common to

ignore the variation between volume and weight, where weight is

often set equal to volume, the accuracy of weight measurement has

become problematic for this country. Recognizing the importance of

this, The Council for Responsible Nutrition, a trade association for

the dietary supplement industry, has announced its endorsement of

this change. According to Joar Opheim, CEO, " The reason for the

change is based on the fact that EPA and DHA are lighter in weight

than many other fatty acids found in fish oil. The average

conversion rate between volume and weight is .92. As an example, EPA

and DHA take up 70% of the space in a 1,000 mg capsule, but only

account for 64% of the weight of the capsule. "

(print out version link this time)

http://www.npicenter.com/anm/anmviewer.asp?a=12667 & print=yes

I'll speak with NN and see if both ways can be up on the site until

all companies use the Scandinavian Label Standard if that ever

happens since both ways are still utilized and mainly the US

standard of weight here in the US (of course)

And just as an aside...even if we all wanted exact -if you squeeze

the oil from the capsule, or pour it on a spoon...unless you squeeze

or pour 100% exactly the same each and every time, you are getting

very subtle differences in how much your child gets. But again -

almost all see surges so it must be working even without 100%

perfection. That's the good news! Actually it's all good.

=====