Re: toiletting regression?

[Guest guest]

Have you seen your pediatrician to make sure she doesn't have a urinary

tract infection? They should also make sure that there is not any glucose in

her urine. She's not drinking more than usual and extra hungry/thirsty, is

she? -

[ ] toiletting regression?

Hi All,

I don't post much anymore, but I do still read all the posts, and

I'm so happy that so many of our children are progressing so nicely!

My daughter Meg will be 4 in October. She toilet trained in April

(I think, we could check the archives). She was a bit older

than " average " when she trained, but she got it right away and

trained in only three days - she even stayed dry at night at least

75% of the time. But over time it's gone downhill. First she lost

the nighttime dryness and we put her back into pull-ups at night

(she was wetting the bed almost constantly at night). Then she

started having little oopses, wetting herself just a little bit, at

first only once in awhile but over time with increasing frequency.

Sometimes she seemed to do this all day long, and we'd go through 5-

10 pair of undies a day. Now it was as this point that I believed

that yeast or bacteria may have been causing the problem, because

her accidents seemed to subside after a day or two on GSE and get

worse when we weren't using it. Just over the past week, she's

started having big-time standing-in-a-puddle accidents and she's

done this I think 5-6 times in the past 7 days. And last night she

had a BM in her pull-up diaper before bed (she was not lying in bed

or asleep). She's on the potty constantly - yesterday at the zoo

for 3.5 hours, she went 6 times and also created a puddle once - but

she's still having the accidents on top of that.

I should mention that we had NOT been getting the fish oil in very

frequently until this past week, and now she's getting her 6 pro-efa

and 3 pro-epa EVERY day instead of just whenever we could get her to

eat her yogurt. (BTW, we have a new system where I just squeeze

both my daughters' doses into a small cup with a little juice and

they " race " to finish the drink through straws. They each get a

small piece of chocolate when they're done. The first time I tried,

Meg took one sip and said " I don't think so Mommy " , but after her

sister started drinking she couldn't down it fast enough.)

So does anyone have any thoughts or advice? Could it be a temporary

side effect of the increase in fish oil? Is it the apraxia, or do

typical children go through this too? One worry for me is that

she's starting a new typical preschool in September, and I really

want her to be confident of her toiletting abilities, not

embarassed. The other worry is that her little sister (just turned

2) is showing some great first signs of being ready to train (and

lots of potty successes), so we were going to really try to get her

trained soon. I don't want Meg to feel disappointed by this.

Almost forgot to mention that Meg had been GFCF just for a month or

two when she potty trained and I took her off the diet shortly

thereafter. I know this seems like the obvious answer, but I'd

REALLY like to avoid going on the diet again. There have been no

other regressions off the diet - Meg has been doing so well that

she's been discharged from all therapies.

Thanks for any help - sorry to write a book!

Kerri

[Guest guest]

Have you seen your pediatrician to make sure she doesn't have a urinary

tract infection? They should also make sure that there is not any glucose in

her urine. She's not drinking more than usual and extra hungry/thirsty, is

she? -

[ ] toiletting regression?

Hi All,

I don't post much anymore, but I do still read all the posts, and

I'm so happy that so many of our children are progressing so nicely!

My daughter Meg will be 4 in October. She toilet trained in April

(I think, we could check the archives). She was a bit older

than " average " when she trained, but she got it right away and

trained in only three days - she even stayed dry at night at least

75% of the time. But over time it's gone downhill. First she lost

the nighttime dryness and we put her back into pull-ups at night

(she was wetting the bed almost constantly at night). Then she

started having little oopses, wetting herself just a little bit, at

first only once in awhile but over time with increasing frequency.

Sometimes she seemed to do this all day long, and we'd go through 5-

10 pair of undies a day. Now it was as this point that I believed

that yeast or bacteria may have been causing the problem, because

her accidents seemed to subside after a day or two on GSE and get

worse when we weren't using it. Just over the past week, she's

started having big-time standing-in-a-puddle accidents and she's

done this I think 5-6 times in the past 7 days. And last night she

had a BM in her pull-up diaper before bed (she was not lying in bed

or asleep). She's on the potty constantly - yesterday at the zoo

for 3.5 hours, she went 6 times and also created a puddle once - but

she's still having the accidents on top of that.

I should mention that we had NOT been getting the fish oil in very

frequently until this past week, and now she's getting her 6 pro-efa

and 3 pro-epa EVERY day instead of just whenever we could get her to

eat her yogurt. (BTW, we have a new system where I just squeeze

both my daughters' doses into a small cup with a little juice and

they " race " to finish the drink through straws. They each get a

small piece of chocolate when they're done. The first time I tried,

Meg took one sip and said " I don't think so Mommy " , but after her

sister started drinking she couldn't down it fast enough.)

So does anyone have any thoughts or advice? Could it be a temporary

side effect of the increase in fish oil? Is it the apraxia, or do

typical children go through this too? One worry for me is that

she's starting a new typical preschool in September, and I really

want her to be confident of her toiletting abilities, not

embarassed. The other worry is that her little sister (just turned

2) is showing some great first signs of being ready to train (and

lots of potty successes), so we were going to really try to get her

trained soon. I don't want Meg to feel disappointed by this.

Almost forgot to mention that Meg had been GFCF just for a month or

two when she potty trained and I took her off the diet shortly

thereafter. I know this seems like the obvious answer, but I'd

REALLY like to avoid going on the diet again. There have been no

other regressions off the diet - Meg has been doing so well that

she's been discharged from all therapies.

Thanks for any help - sorry to write a book!

Kerri

[Guest guest]

Hi Kerri -

I'd see a doc to rule out an infection, first. My only other

suggestion is to document what she's eaten, taken, etc. for a week

or so to see if you can determine a link.

Finally, how does she feel when she has accidents? Is she mad at

herself or sort of " who cares " ? I ask bc I went through a period

with my older son where he really didn't care if he made it or not -

and I didn't get mad. Finally, I started showing my disappointment

and telling him that if he couldn't get to the bathroom with the TV

on, we would turn off the TV. I doubt this is the problem for you,

but wanted to share. It's harder for our kids to recognize when

they have to go - like everything else, it's a struggle - but that

doesn't mean they don't have to do it.

M

>

> Hi All,

>

> I don't post much anymore, but I do still read all the posts, and

> I'm so happy that so many of our children are progressing so

nicely!

>

> My daughter Meg will be 4 in October. She toilet trained in April

> (I think, we could check the archives). She was a bit older

> than " average " when she trained, but she got it right away and

> trained in only three days - she even stayed dry at night at least

> 75% of the time. But over time it's gone downhill. First she

lost

> the nighttime dryness and we put her back into pull-ups at night

> (she was wetting the bed almost constantly at night). Then she

> started having little oopses, wetting herself just a little bit,

at

> first only once in awhile but over time with increasing

frequency.

> Sometimes she seemed to do this all day long, and we'd go through

5-

> 10 pair of undies a day. Now it was as this point that I believed

> that yeast or bacteria may have been causing the problem, because

> her accidents seemed to subside after a day or two on GSE and get

> worse when we weren't using it. Just over the past week, she's

> started having big-time standing-in-a-puddle accidents and she's

> done this I think 5-6 times in the past 7 days. And last night

she

> had a BM in her pull-up diaper before bed (she was not lying in

bed

> or asleep). She's on the potty constantly - yesterday at the zoo

> for 3.5 hours, she went 6 times and also created a puddle once -

but

> she's still having the accidents on top of that.

>

> I should mention that we had NOT been getting the fish oil in very

> frequently until this past week, and now she's getting her 6 pro-

efa

> and 3 pro-epa EVERY day instead of just whenever we could get her

to

> eat her yogurt. (BTW, we have a new system where I just squeeze

> both my daughters' doses into a small cup with a little juice and

> they " race " to finish the drink through straws. They each get a

> small piece of chocolate when they're done. The first time I

tried,

> Meg took one sip and said " I don't think so Mommy " , but after her

> sister started drinking she couldn't down it fast enough.)

>

> So does anyone have any thoughts or advice? Could it be a

temporary

> side effect of the increase in fish oil? Is it the apraxia, or do

> typical children go through this too? One worry for me is that

> she's starting a new typical preschool in September, and I really

> want her to be confident of her toiletting abilities, not

> embarassed. The other worry is that her little sister (just

turned

> 2) is showing some great first signs of being ready to train (and

> lots of potty successes), so we were going to really try to get

her

> trained soon. I don't want Meg to feel disappointed by this.

>

> Almost forgot to mention that Meg had been GFCF just for a month

or

> two when she potty trained and I took her off the diet shortly

> thereafter. I know this seems like the obvious answer, but I'd

> REALLY like to avoid going on the diet again. There have been no

> other regressions off the diet - Meg has been doing so well that

> she's been discharged from all therapies.

>

> Thanks for any help - sorry to write a book!

>

> Kerri

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kerri -

I'd see a doc to rule out an infection, first. My only other

suggestion is to document what she's eaten, taken, etc. for a week

or so to see if you can determine a link.

Finally, how does she feel when she has accidents? Is she mad at

herself or sort of " who cares " ? I ask bc I went through a period

with my older son where he really didn't care if he made it or not -

and I didn't get mad. Finally, I started showing my disappointment

and telling him that if he couldn't get to the bathroom with the TV

on, we would turn off the TV. I doubt this is the problem for you,

but wanted to share. It's harder for our kids to recognize when

they have to go - like everything else, it's a struggle - but that

doesn't mean they don't have to do it.

M

>

> Hi All,

>

> I don't post much anymore, but I do still read all the posts, and

> I'm so happy that so many of our children are progressing so

nicely!

>

> My daughter Meg will be 4 in October. She toilet trained in April

> (I think, we could check the archives). She was a bit older

> than " average " when she trained, but she got it right away and

> trained in only three days - she even stayed dry at night at least

> 75% of the time. But over time it's gone downhill. First she

lost

> the nighttime dryness and we put her back into pull-ups at night

> (she was wetting the bed almost constantly at night). Then she

> started having little oopses, wetting herself just a little bit,

at

> first only once in awhile but over time with increasing

frequency.

> Sometimes she seemed to do this all day long, and we'd go through

5-

> 10 pair of undies a day. Now it was as this point that I believed

> that yeast or bacteria may have been causing the problem, because

> her accidents seemed to subside after a day or two on GSE and get

> worse when we weren't using it. Just over the past week, she's

> started having big-time standing-in-a-puddle accidents and she's

> done this I think 5-6 times in the past 7 days. And last night

she

> had a BM in her pull-up diaper before bed (she was not lying in

bed

> or asleep). She's on the potty constantly - yesterday at the zoo

> for 3.5 hours, she went 6 times and also created a puddle once -

but

> she's still having the accidents on top of that.

>

> I should mention that we had NOT been getting the fish oil in very

> frequently until this past week, and now she's getting her 6 pro-

efa

> and 3 pro-epa EVERY day instead of just whenever we could get her

to

> eat her yogurt. (BTW, we have a new system where I just squeeze

> both my daughters' doses into a small cup with a little juice and

> they " race " to finish the drink through straws. They each get a

> small piece of chocolate when they're done. The first time I

tried,

> Meg took one sip and said " I don't think so Mommy " , but after her

> sister started drinking she couldn't down it fast enough.)

>

> So does anyone have any thoughts or advice? Could it be a

temporary

> side effect of the increase in fish oil? Is it the apraxia, or do

> typical children go through this too? One worry for me is that

> she's starting a new typical preschool in September, and I really

> want her to be confident of her toiletting abilities, not

> embarassed. The other worry is that her little sister (just

turned

> 2) is showing some great first signs of being ready to train (and

> lots of potty successes), so we were going to really try to get

her

> trained soon. I don't want Meg to feel disappointed by this.

>

> Almost forgot to mention that Meg had been GFCF just for a month

or

> two when she potty trained and I took her off the diet shortly

> thereafter. I know this seems like the obvious answer, but I'd

> REALLY like to avoid going on the diet again. There have been no

> other regressions off the diet - Meg has been doing so well that

> she's been discharged from all therapies.

>

> Thanks for any help - sorry to write a book!

>

> Kerri

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm...she always drinks a lot, but it has seemed like more than

usual lately. Of course, with this heat I guess that's expected.

But my hubby and I both have commented in the past week that she

seems to be hungry ALL THE TIME. We were thinking she was going

through a growth spurt, but maybe I do need to get her checked out.

Thanks for the reply.

Kerri

>

> Have you seen your pediatrician to make sure she doesn't have a

urinary

> tract infection? They should also make sure that there is not any

glucose in

> her urine. She's not drinking more than usual and extra

hungry/thirsty, is

> she? -

>

>

> [ ] toiletting regression?

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> I don't post much anymore, but I do still read all the posts, and

> I'm so happy that so many of our children are progressing so

nicely!

>

> My daughter Meg will be 4 in October. She toilet trained in April

> (I think, we could check the archives). She was a bit older

> than " average " when she trained, but she got it right away and

> trained in only three days - she even stayed dry at night at least

> 75% of the time. But over time it's gone downhill. First she lost

> the nighttime dryness and we put her back into pull-ups at night

> (she was wetting the bed almost constantly at night). Then she

> started having little oopses, wetting herself just a little bit, at

> first only once in awhile but over time with increasing frequency.

> Sometimes she seemed to do this all day long, and we'd go through

5-

> 10 pair of undies a day. Now it was as this point that I believed

> that yeast or bacteria may have been causing the problem, because

> her accidents seemed to subside after a day or two on GSE and get

> worse when we weren't using it. Just over the past week, she's

> started having big-time standing-in-a-puddle accidents and she's

> done this I think 5-6 times in the past 7 days. And last night she

> had a BM in her pull-up diaper before bed (she was not lying in bed

> or asleep). She's on the potty constantly - yesterday at the zoo

> for 3.5 hours, she went 6 times and also created a puddle once -

but

> she's still having the accidents on top of that.

>

> I should mention that we had NOT been getting the fish oil in very

> frequently until this past week, and now she's getting her 6 pro-

efa

> and 3 pro-epa EVERY day instead of just whenever we could get her

to

> eat her yogurt. (BTW, we have a new system where I just squeeze

> both my daughters' doses into a small cup with a little juice and

> they " race " to finish the drink through straws. They each get a

> small piece of chocolate when they're done. The first time I

tried,

> Meg took one sip and said " I don't think so Mommy " , but after her

> sister started drinking she couldn't down it fast enough.)

>

> So does anyone have any thoughts or advice? Could it be a

temporary

> side effect of the increase in fish oil? Is it the apraxia, or do

> typical children go through this too? One worry for me is that

> she's starting a new typical preschool in September, and I really

> want her to be confident of her toiletting abilities, not

> embarassed. The other worry is that her little sister (just turned

> 2) is showing some great first signs of being ready to train (and

> lots of potty successes), so we were going to really try to get her

> trained soon. I don't want Meg to feel disappointed by this.

>

> Almost forgot to mention that Meg had been GFCF just for a month or

> two when she potty trained and I took her off the diet shortly

> thereafter. I know this seems like the obvious answer, but I'd

> REALLY like to avoid going on the diet again. There have been no

> other regressions off the diet - Meg has been doing so well that

> she's been discharged from all therapies.

>

> Thanks for any help - sorry to write a book!

>

> Kerri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, she usually tries to hide it from me, because we have a rule

that she gets to pick what she wears in the morning (she's REALLY

into skirts and dresses and hates wearing pants and shorts) but if

she has an accident I get to pick her next clothes (and it will be

pants or shorts). At first when she started having accidents she'd

get very upset, and we focused on making it no big deal for her.

But now, the first thing out of her mouth is always " It's Okay

Mommy! " I wouldn't say she tries to brush it off, but it's

definitely reversed now so that we get more upset than her. She

usually tries to negotiate for a second skirt, saying " I'll keep my

undies dry, I Fwamise (promise)! " She definitely has more accidents

when she's really into something, but I don't think that's the whole

problem with her.

I just don't know what's going on. We've had two more puddle

situations in the past 24 hours. I think I will call her doctor's

office for an appointment on Monday.

Kerri

[Guest guest]

Hmm...she always drinks a lot, but it has seemed like more than

usual lately. Of course, with this heat I guess that's expected.

But my hubby and I both have commented in the past week that she

seems to be hungry ALL THE TIME. We were thinking she was going

through a growth spurt, but maybe I do need to get her checked out.

Thanks for the reply.

Kerri

>

> Have you seen your pediatrician to make sure she doesn't have a

urinary

> tract infection? They should also make sure that there is not any

glucose in

> her urine. She's not drinking more than usual and extra

hungry/thirsty, is

> she? -

>

>

> [ ] toiletting regression?

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> I don't post much anymore, but I do still read all the posts, and

> I'm so happy that so many of our children are progressing so

nicely!

>

> My daughter Meg will be 4 in October. She toilet trained in April

> (I think, we could check the archives). She was a bit older

> than " average " when she trained, but she got it right away and

> trained in only three days - she even stayed dry at night at least

> 75% of the time. But over time it's gone downhill. First she lost

> the nighttime dryness and we put her back into pull-ups at night

> (she was wetting the bed almost constantly at night). Then she

> started having little oopses, wetting herself just a little bit, at

> first only once in awhile but over time with increasing frequency.

> Sometimes she seemed to do this all day long, and we'd go through

5-

> 10 pair of undies a day. Now it was as this point that I believed

> that yeast or bacteria may have been causing the problem, because

> her accidents seemed to subside after a day or two on GSE and get

> worse when we weren't using it. Just over the past week, she's

> started having big-time standing-in-a-puddle accidents and she's

> done this I think 5-6 times in the past 7 days. And last night she

> had a BM in her pull-up diaper before bed (she was not lying in bed

> or asleep). She's on the potty constantly - yesterday at the zoo

> for 3.5 hours, she went 6 times and also created a puddle once -

but

> she's still having the accidents on top of that.

>

> I should mention that we had NOT been getting the fish oil in very

> frequently until this past week, and now she's getting her 6 pro-

efa

> and 3 pro-epa EVERY day instead of just whenever we could get her

to

> eat her yogurt. (BTW, we have a new system where I just squeeze

> both my daughters' doses into a small cup with a little juice and

> they " race " to finish the drink through straws. They each get a

> small piece of chocolate when they're done. The first time I

tried,

> Meg took one sip and said " I don't think so Mommy " , but after her

> sister started drinking she couldn't down it fast enough.)

>

> So does anyone have any thoughts or advice? Could it be a

temporary

> side effect of the increase in fish oil? Is it the apraxia, or do

> typical children go through this too? One worry for me is that

> she's starting a new typical preschool in September, and I really

> want her to be confident of her toiletting abilities, not

> embarassed. The other worry is that her little sister (just turned

> 2) is showing some great first signs of being ready to train (and

> lots of potty successes), so we were going to really try to get her

> trained soon. I don't want Meg to feel disappointed by this.

>

> Almost forgot to mention that Meg had been GFCF just for a month or

> two when she potty trained and I took her off the diet shortly

> thereafter. I know this seems like the obvious answer, but I'd

> REALLY like to avoid going on the diet again. There have been no

> other regressions off the diet - Meg has been doing so well that

> she's been discharged from all therapies.

>

> Thanks for any help - sorry to write a book!

>

> Kerri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, she usually tries to hide it from me, because we have a rule

that she gets to pick what she wears in the morning (she's REALLY

into skirts and dresses and hates wearing pants and shorts) but if

she has an accident I get to pick her next clothes (and it will be

pants or shorts). At first when she started having accidents she'd

get very upset, and we focused on making it no big deal for her.

But now, the first thing out of her mouth is always " It's Okay

Mommy! " I wouldn't say she tries to brush it off, but it's

definitely reversed now so that we get more upset than her. She

usually tries to negotiate for a second skirt, saying " I'll keep my

undies dry, I Fwamise (promise)! " She definitely has more accidents

when she's really into something, but I don't think that's the whole

problem with her.

I just don't know what's going on. We've had two more puddle

situations in the past 24 hours. I think I will call her doctor's

office for an appointment on Monday.

Kerri

[Guest guest]

Have you looked into enzymes? I know from the Enzymesandautisim

board that others have seen potty training progress or regression

depending on how they were altering the digestive enzymes.

Personally, my 4 year old is nearly potty trained after a combo of

digestive enzymes and Omega 3s for the past month. My GSE experience

is that he got a bad cough within a day of taking it. I stepped back

and loaded up on the probiotics. Some people alter them every 12

hours -- some alternate every few days. What I learned was that GSE

(8 total drops over 2 days) was VERY powerful and I needed to come

back with good bacteria. It seemed that he lost toileting skills

over those 4 days -- but he was also feeling bad -- so who knows!

>

> Hi All,

>

> I don't post much anymore, but I do still read all the posts, and

> I'm so happy that so many of our children are progressing so nicely!

>

> My daughter Meg will be 4 in October. She toilet trained in April

> (I think, we could check the archives). She was a bit older

> than " average " when she trained, but she got it right away and

> trained in only three days - she even stayed dry at night at least

> 75% of the time. But over time it's gone downhill. First she lost

> the nighttime dryness and we put her back into pull-ups at night

> (she was wetting the bed almost constantly at night). Then she

> started having little oopses, wetting herself just a little bit, at

> first only once in awhile but over time with increasing frequency.

> Sometimes she seemed to do this all day long, and we'd go through 5-

> 10 pair of undies a day. Now it was as this point that I believed

> that yeast or bacteria may have been causing the problem, because

> her accidents seemed to subside after a day or two on GSE and get

> worse when we weren't using it. Just over the past week, she's

> started having big-time standing-in-a-puddle accidents and she's

> done this I think 5-6 times in the past 7 days. And last night she

> had a BM in her pull-up diaper before bed (she was not lying in bed

> or asleep). She's on the potty constantly - yesterday at the zoo

> for 3.5 hours, she went 6 times and also created a puddle once -

but

> she's still having the accidents on top of that.

>

> I should mention that we had NOT been getting the fish oil in very

> frequently until this past week, and now she's getting her 6 pro-

efa

> and 3 pro-epa EVERY day instead of just whenever we could get her

to

> eat her yogurt. (BTW, we have a new system where I just squeeze

> both my daughters' doses into a small cup with a little juice and

> they " race " to finish the drink through straws. They each get a

> small piece of chocolate when they're done. The first time I

tried,

> Meg took one sip and said " I don't think so Mommy " , but after her

> sister started drinking she couldn't down it fast enough.)

>

> So does anyone have any thoughts or advice? Could it be a

temporary

> side effect of the increase in fish oil? Is it the apraxia, or do

> typical children go through this too? One worry for me is that

> she's starting a new typical preschool in September, and I really

> want her to be confident of her toiletting abilities, not

> embarassed. The other worry is that her little sister (just turned

> 2) is showing some great first signs of being ready to train (and

> lots of potty successes), so we were going to really try to get her

> trained soon. I don't want Meg to feel disappointed by this.

>

> Almost forgot to mention that Meg had been GFCF just for a month or

> two when she potty trained and I took her off the diet shortly

> thereafter. I know this seems like the obvious answer, but I'd

> REALLY like to avoid going on the diet again. There have been no

> other regressions off the diet - Meg has been doing so well that

> she's been discharged from all therapies.

>

> Thanks for any help - sorry to write a book!

>

> Kerri

>

[Guest guest]

Have you looked into enzymes? I know from the Enzymesandautisim

board that others have seen potty training progress or regression

depending on how they were altering the digestive enzymes.

Personally, my 4 year old is nearly potty trained after a combo of

digestive enzymes and Omega 3s for the past month. My GSE experience

is that he got a bad cough within a day of taking it. I stepped back

and loaded up on the probiotics. Some people alter them every 12

hours -- some alternate every few days. What I learned was that GSE

(8 total drops over 2 days) was VERY powerful and I needed to come

back with good bacteria. It seemed that he lost toileting skills

over those 4 days -- but he was also feeling bad -- so who knows!

>

> Hi All,

>

> I don't post much anymore, but I do still read all the posts, and

> I'm so happy that so many of our children are progressing so nicely!

>

> My daughter Meg will be 4 in October. She toilet trained in April

> (I think, we could check the archives). She was a bit older

> than " average " when she trained, but she got it right away and

> trained in only three days - she even stayed dry at night at least

> 75% of the time. But over time it's gone downhill. First she lost

> the nighttime dryness and we put her back into pull-ups at night

> (she was wetting the bed almost constantly at night). Then she

> started having little oopses, wetting herself just a little bit, at

> first only once in awhile but over time with increasing frequency.

> Sometimes she seemed to do this all day long, and we'd go through 5-

> 10 pair of undies a day. Now it was as this point that I believed

> that yeast or bacteria may have been causing the problem, because

> her accidents seemed to subside after a day or two on GSE and get

> worse when we weren't using it. Just over the past week, she's

> started having big-time standing-in-a-puddle accidents and she's

> done this I think 5-6 times in the past 7 days. And last night she

> had a BM in her pull-up diaper before bed (she was not lying in bed

> or asleep). She's on the potty constantly - yesterday at the zoo

> for 3.5 hours, she went 6 times and also created a puddle once -

but

> she's still having the accidents on top of that.

>

> I should mention that we had NOT been getting the fish oil in very

> frequently until this past week, and now she's getting her 6 pro-

efa

> and 3 pro-epa EVERY day instead of just whenever we could get her

to

> eat her yogurt. (BTW, we have a new system where I just squeeze

> both my daughters' doses into a small cup with a little juice and

> they " race " to finish the drink through straws. They each get a

> small piece of chocolate when they're done. The first time I

tried,

> Meg took one sip and said " I don't think so Mommy " , but after her

> sister started drinking she couldn't down it fast enough.)

>

> So does anyone have any thoughts or advice? Could it be a

temporary

> side effect of the increase in fish oil? Is it the apraxia, or do

> typical children go through this too? One worry for me is that

> she's starting a new typical preschool in September, and I really

> want her to be confident of her toiletting abilities, not

> embarassed. The other worry is that her little sister (just turned

> 2) is showing some great first signs of being ready to train (and

> lots of potty successes), so we were going to really try to get her

> trained soon. I don't want Meg to feel disappointed by this.

>

> Almost forgot to mention that Meg had been GFCF just for a month or

> two when she potty trained and I took her off the diet shortly

> thereafter. I know this seems like the obvious answer, but I'd

> REALLY like to avoid going on the diet again. There have been no

> other regressions off the diet - Meg has been doing so well that

> she's been discharged from all therapies.

>

> Thanks for any help - sorry to write a book!

>

> Kerri

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm...I hadn't even thought about trying enzymes instead of going

back to GFCF! I used to follow that Enzymesandautism board, but I

never ended up trying them. Is there one you could recommend?

The past few days have been a little better for Meg - not as many

accidents and no puddle situations in the last two days. Maybe it

was just a phase? I guess time will tell.

Kerri

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I don't post much anymore, but I do still read all the posts,

and

> > I'm so happy that so many of our children are progressing so

nicely!

> >

> > My daughter Meg will be 4 in October. She toilet trained in

April

> > (I think, we could check the archives). She was a bit older

> > than " average " when she trained, but she got it right away and

> > trained in only three days - she even stayed dry at night at

least

> > 75% of the time. But over time it's gone downhill. First she

lost

> > the nighttime dryness and we put her back into pull-ups at night

> > (she was wetting the bed almost constantly at night). Then she

> > started having little oopses, wetting herself just a little bit,

at

> > first only once in awhile but over time with increasing

frequency.

> > Sometimes she seemed to do this all day long, and we'd go

through 5-

> > 10 pair of undies a day. Now it was as this point that I

believed

> > that yeast or bacteria may have been causing the problem,

because

> > her accidents seemed to subside after a day or two on GSE and

get

> > worse when we weren't using it. Just over the past week, she's

> > started having big-time standing-in-a-puddle accidents and she's

> > done this I think 5-6 times in the past 7 days. And last night

she

> > had a BM in her pull-up diaper before bed (she was not lying in

bed

> > or asleep). She's on the potty constantly - yesterday at the

zoo

> > for 3.5 hours, she went 6 times and also created a puddle once -

> but

> > she's still having the accidents on top of that.

> >

> > I should mention that we had NOT been getting the fish oil in

very

> > frequently until this past week, and now she's getting her 6 pro-

> efa

> > and 3 pro-epa EVERY day instead of just whenever we could get

her

> to

> > eat her yogurt. (BTW, we have a new system where I just squeeze

> > both my daughters' doses into a small cup with a little juice

and

> > they " race " to finish the drink through straws. They each get a

> > small piece of chocolate when they're done. The first time I

> tried,

> > Meg took one sip and said " I don't think so Mommy " , but after

her

> > sister started drinking she couldn't down it fast enough.)

> >

> > So does anyone have any thoughts or advice? Could it be a

> temporary

> > side effect of the increase in fish oil? Is it the apraxia, or

do

> > typical children go through this too? One worry for me is that

> > she's starting a new typical preschool in September, and I

really

> > want her to be confident of her toiletting abilities, not

> > embarassed. The other worry is that her little sister (just

turned

> > 2) is showing some great first signs of being ready to train

(and

> > lots of potty successes), so we were going to really try to get

her

> > trained soon. I don't want Meg to feel disappointed by this.

> >

> > Almost forgot to mention that Meg had been GFCF just for a month

or

> > two when she potty trained and I took her off the diet shortly

> > thereafter. I know this seems like the obvious answer, but I'd

> > REALLY like to avoid going on the diet again. There have been

no

> > other regressions off the diet - Meg has been doing so well that

> > she's been discharged from all therapies.

> >

> > Thanks for any help - sorry to write a book!

> >

> > Kerri

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You could do a food panel to find out if Meg needs the gfcf diet. My

kids react to gluten and dairy, and consuming either just makes

everything harder for them. They progress much faster on the gfcf diet.

The accidents sound like yeast to me - my son has this problem when he

has yeast overgrowth. Have you considered trying candex? GSE is rather

harsh (though effective), and it's good to rotate natural yeast

treatments any way. Capryllic acid might also be worth a try, or if

these don't work, a round of diflucan. Have you done a stool analysis

or OAT to find out if she has yeast?

good luck

[Guest guest]

I'm using Kirkmans EnZym-Complete/DPP-IV. Alot of people on that

board are using Houstonni.com enzymes. I received samples of their

chewables -- I think I'll order the no-fenol, it seems to be helping

my son.

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > I don't post much anymore, but I do still read all the posts,

> and

> > > I'm so happy that so many of our children are progressing so

> nicely!

> > >

> > > My daughter Meg will be 4 in October. She toilet trained in

> April

> > > (I think, we could check the archives). She was a bit older

> > > than " average " when she trained, but she got it right away and

> > > trained in only three days - she even stayed dry at night at

> least

> > > 75% of the time. But over time it's gone downhill. First she

> lost

> > > the nighttime dryness and we put her back into pull-ups at

night

> > > (she was wetting the bed almost constantly at night). Then

she

> > > started having little oopses, wetting herself just a little

bit,

> at

> > > first only once in awhile but over time with increasing

> frequency.

> > > Sometimes she seemed to do this all day long, and we'd go

> through 5-

> > > 10 pair of undies a day. Now it was as this point that I

> believed

> > > that yeast or bacteria may have been causing the problem,

> because

> > > her accidents seemed to subside after a day or two on GSE and

> get

> > > worse when we weren't using it. Just over the past week,

she's

> > > started having big-time standing-in-a-puddle accidents and

she's

> > > done this I think 5-6 times in the past 7 days. And last

night

> she

> > > had a BM in her pull-up diaper before bed (she was not lying

in

> bed

> > > or asleep). She's on the potty constantly - yesterday at the

> zoo

> > > for 3.5 hours, she went 6 times and also created a puddle

once -

> > but

> > > she's still having the accidents on top of that.

> > >

> > > I should mention that we had NOT been getting the fish oil in

> very

> > > frequently until this past week, and now she's getting her 6

pro-

> > efa

> > > and 3 pro-epa EVERY day instead of just whenever we could get

> her

> > to

> > > eat her yogurt. (BTW, we have a new system where I just

squeeze

> > > both my daughters' doses into a small cup with a little juice

> and

> > > they " race " to finish the drink through straws. They each get

a

> > > small piece of chocolate when they're done. The first time I

> > tried,

> > > Meg took one sip and said " I don't think so Mommy " , but after

> her

> > > sister started drinking she couldn't down it fast enough.)

> > >

> > > So does anyone have any thoughts or advice? Could it be a

> > temporary

> > > side effect of the increase in fish oil? Is it the apraxia,

or

> do

> > > typical children go through this too? One worry for me is

that

> > > she's starting a new typical preschool in September, and I

> really

> > > want her to be confident of her toiletting abilities, not

> > > embarassed. The other worry is that her little sister (just

> turned

> > > 2) is showing some great first signs of being ready to train

> (and

> > > lots of potty successes), so we were going to really try to

get

> her

> > > trained soon. I don't want Meg to feel disappointed by this.

> > >

> > > Almost forgot to mention that Meg had been GFCF just for a

month

> or

> > > two when she potty trained and I took her off the diet shortly

> > > thereafter. I know this seems like the obvious answer, but

I'd

> > > REALLY like to avoid going on the diet again. There have been

> no

> > > other regressions off the diet - Meg has been doing so well

that

> > > she's been discharged from all therapies.

> > >

> > > Thanks for any help - sorry to write a book!

> > >

> > > Kerri

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm...I hadn't even thought about trying enzymes instead of going

back to GFCF! I used to follow that Enzymesandautism board, but I

never ended up trying them. Is there one you could recommend?

The past few days have been a little better for Meg - not as many

accidents and no puddle situations in the last two days. Maybe it

was just a phase? I guess time will tell.

Kerri

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I don't post much anymore, but I do still read all the posts,

and

> > I'm so happy that so many of our children are progressing so

nicely!

> >

> > My daughter Meg will be 4 in October. She toilet trained in

April

> > (I think, we could check the archives). She was a bit older

> > than " average " when she trained, but she got it right away and

> > trained in only three days - she even stayed dry at night at

least

> > 75% of the time. But over time it's gone downhill. First she

lost

> > the nighttime dryness and we put her back into pull-ups at night

> > (she was wetting the bed almost constantly at night). Then she

> > started having little oopses, wetting herself just a little bit,

at

> > first only once in awhile but over time with increasing

frequency.

> > Sometimes she seemed to do this all day long, and we'd go

through 5-

> > 10 pair of undies a day. Now it was as this point that I

believed

> > that yeast or bacteria may have been causing the problem,

because

> > her accidents seemed to subside after a day or two on GSE and

get

> > worse when we weren't using it. Just over the past week, she's

> > started having big-time standing-in-a-puddle accidents and she's

> > done this I think 5-6 times in the past 7 days. And last night

she

> > had a BM in her pull-up diaper before bed (she was not lying in

bed

> > or asleep). She's on the potty constantly - yesterday at the

zoo

> > for 3.5 hours, she went 6 times and also created a puddle once -

> but

> > she's still having the accidents on top of that.

> >

> > I should mention that we had NOT been getting the fish oil in

very

> > frequently until this past week, and now she's getting her 6 pro-

> efa

> > and 3 pro-epa EVERY day instead of just whenever we could get

her

> to

> > eat her yogurt. (BTW, we have a new system where I just squeeze

> > both my daughters' doses into a small cup with a little juice

and

> > they " race " to finish the drink through straws. They each get a

> > small piece of chocolate when they're done. The first time I

> tried,

> > Meg took one sip and said " I don't think so Mommy " , but after

her

> > sister started drinking she couldn't down it fast enough.)

> >

> > So does anyone have any thoughts or advice? Could it be a

> temporary

> > side effect of the increase in fish oil? Is it the apraxia, or

do

> > typical children go through this too? One worry for me is that

> > she's starting a new typical preschool in September, and I

really

> > want her to be confident of her toiletting abilities, not

> > embarassed. The other worry is that her little sister (just

turned

> > 2) is showing some great first signs of being ready to train

(and

> > lots of potty successes), so we were going to really try to get

her

> > trained soon. I don't want Meg to feel disappointed by this.

> >

> > Almost forgot to mention that Meg had been GFCF just for a month

or

> > two when she potty trained and I took her off the diet shortly

> > thereafter. I know this seems like the obvious answer, but I'd

> > REALLY like to avoid going on the diet again. There have been

no

> > other regressions off the diet - Meg has been doing so well that

> > she's been discharged from all therapies.

> >

> > Thanks for any help - sorry to write a book!

> >

> > Kerri

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You could do a food panel to find out if Meg needs the gfcf diet. My

kids react to gluten and dairy, and consuming either just makes

everything harder for them. They progress much faster on the gfcf diet.

The accidents sound like yeast to me - my son has this problem when he

has yeast overgrowth. Have you considered trying candex? GSE is rather

harsh (though effective), and it's good to rotate natural yeast

treatments any way. Capryllic acid might also be worth a try, or if

these don't work, a round of diflucan. Have you done a stool analysis

or OAT to find out if she has yeast?

good luck

[Guest guest]

I'm using Kirkmans EnZym-Complete/DPP-IV. Alot of people on that

board are using Houstonni.com enzymes. I received samples of their

chewables -- I think I'll order the no-fenol, it seems to be helping

my son.

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > I don't post much anymore, but I do still read all the posts,

> and

> > > I'm so happy that so many of our children are progressing so

> nicely!

> > >

> > > My daughter Meg will be 4 in October. She toilet trained in

> April

> > > (I think, we could check the archives). She was a bit older

> > > than " average " when she trained, but she got it right away and

> > > trained in only three days - she even stayed dry at night at

> least

> > > 75% of the time. But over time it's gone downhill. First she

> lost

> > > the nighttime dryness and we put her back into pull-ups at

night

> > > (she was wetting the bed almost constantly at night). Then

she

> > > started having little oopses, wetting herself just a little

bit,

> at

> > > first only once in awhile but over time with increasing

> frequency.

> > > Sometimes she seemed to do this all day long, and we'd go

> through 5-

> > > 10 pair of undies a day. Now it was as this point that I

> believed

> > > that yeast or bacteria may have been causing the problem,

> because

> > > her accidents seemed to subside after a day or two on GSE and

> get

> > > worse when we weren't using it. Just over the past week,

she's

> > > started having big-time standing-in-a-puddle accidents and

she's

> > > done this I think 5-6 times in the past 7 days. And last

night

> she

> > > had a BM in her pull-up diaper before bed (she was not lying

in

> bed

> > > or asleep). She's on the potty constantly - yesterday at the

> zoo

> > > for 3.5 hours, she went 6 times and also created a puddle

once -

> > but

> > > she's still having the accidents on top of that.

> > >

> > > I should mention that we had NOT been getting the fish oil in

> very

> > > frequently until this past week, and now she's getting her 6

pro-

> > efa

> > > and 3 pro-epa EVERY day instead of just whenever we could get

> her

> > to

> > > eat her yogurt. (BTW, we have a new system where I just

squeeze

> > > both my daughters' doses into a small cup with a little juice

> and

> > > they " race " to finish the drink through straws. They each get

a

> > > small piece of chocolate when they're done. The first time I

> > tried,

> > > Meg took one sip and said " I don't think so Mommy " , but after

> her

> > > sister started drinking she couldn't down it fast enough.)

> > >

> > > So does anyone have any thoughts or advice? Could it be a

> > temporary

> > > side effect of the increase in fish oil? Is it the apraxia,

or

> do

> > > typical children go through this too? One worry for me is

that

> > > she's starting a new typical preschool in September, and I

> really

> > > want her to be confident of her toiletting abilities, not

> > > embarassed. The other worry is that her little sister (just

> turned

> > > 2) is showing some great first signs of being ready to train

> (and

> > > lots of potty successes), so we were going to really try to

get

> her

> > > trained soon. I don't want Meg to feel disappointed by this.

> > >

> > > Almost forgot to mention that Meg had been GFCF just for a

month

> or

> > > two when she potty trained and I took her off the diet shortly

> > > thereafter. I know this seems like the obvious answer, but

I'd

> > > REALLY like to avoid going on the diet again. There have been

> no

> > > other regressions off the diet - Meg has been doing so well

that

> > > she's been discharged from all therapies.

> > >

> > > Thanks for any help - sorry to write a book!

> > >

> > > Kerri

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kerri I'm just jumping in to this so perhaps I missed the

obvious reasons for setbacks on potty training -such as reasons

stated in these links (a sample of the tens of thousands of links

on this not unusual topic)

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/weeklyquestion/a/04_potty_pblms.htm

http://articlealley.com/article_65913_27.html

http://pottytrainingsolutions.com/information/regression.htm

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/ChildBehavior/messages/33255.html

http://www.bluesuitmom.com/family/parenting/expert/pottyregression.html

http://www.pottytrainingconcepts.com/Potty-Training-Regression/Potty-Training-Re\

gression.htm

http://www.bchealthguide.org/healthfiles/hfile92j.stm#E46E113

http://babyparenting.about.com/cs/pottytraining/f/ptregression.htm

http://www.reallifesolutions.net/family/regression.html

Not saying this has nothing to do with yeast (not saying it is

either) Put it this way - it's not in my Letterman top ten reasons

most go through this stage. I remember my own baby sister went

through this when she was a kid -wanted to go back to bottles and

everything -because she " wanted to be a baby again " (if she had a

yeast infection I was never told about it to this day)

And if this did have anything to do with yeast or diet...since you

just upped the EFAs and are on a regular regimen now...and

since " The past few days have been a little better for Meg - not as

many accidents and no puddle situations in the last two days. Maybe

it was just a phase? " you ask.

Yes...perhaps it was just a phase or perhaps whatever caused it the

EFAs helped. Perhaps just give it a bit more time the way you are

with her and check out the links above...unless you want to give her

all that other stuff and change her diet anyway.

Keep us posted!

(and is she going to be starting a new school or something?)

=====

[Guest guest]

,

I did order a 96-food IgG panel for Meg last November. The results

were highly sensitive to dairy/casein and moderate to

gluten/gliadin/wheat etc and almonds. The only real positive I saw

in Meg on the diet was the toiletting - she trained a few weeks

after starting the diet. Actually, her first potty success was a or

two days after removing casein, then her first BM was a couple days

after removing gluten. We've kept some of our eating habits from

when we were on the diet, and the girls only very occasionally have

dairy (ice cream maybe twice a month) and probably less gluten than

the average child (lots of snacks were replaced by fruit, rice

cakes, popcorn, etc). But it really was very challenging for us to

stay on, and I think very alienating for Meg since at school she

always had some lame special snack when the others were eating all

kinds of fun stuff. And there was the cost that was just killing

our finances here at home. So I'd like to avoid doing it again,

unless I determine it's definitely needed.

I've never done an OAT or stool analysis. The times when GSE just

seemed to knock out the accidents, Meg also would have rashes on her

bum that would go away. She doesn't have a rash now - but still

having accidents all the time. Maybe I will try candex. I've heard

of it, but I'll have to do some research.

Thanks for all of your ideas!

Kerri

>

> You could do a food panel to find out if Meg needs the gfcf diet.

My

> kids react to gluten and dairy, and consuming either just makes

> everything harder for them. They progress much faster on the gfcf

diet.

>

> The accidents sound like yeast to me - my son has this problem

when he

> has yeast overgrowth. Have you considered trying candex? GSE is

rather

> harsh (though effective), and it's good to rotate natural yeast

> treatments any way. Capryllic acid might also be worth a try, or if

> these don't work, a round of diflucan. Have you done a stool

analysis

> or OAT to find out if she has yeast?

>

> good luck

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the response and all the links. I read through them

all. The big thing that concerns me about Meg is that she seems to

have lost the ability to control her bladder, at least some of the

time, and it has happened gradually. She was doing great, then over

a week or two she lost the nightime, then the next month started

having those little pee accidents, first just once a week, gradually

up to once a day. At this point, on a good day she will have one a

day, on a bad day maybe 5 or 6. Then in the last week we've had the

puddles and the BM in the pull-up.

I don't think Meg wants to be a baby again - in fact when she wets

herself and is upset about it, she frequently says " I don't want to

be a baby! " She is concerned that her sister will be out of diapers

soon and she will still be having accidents.

We've had no " new " things in our lives recently. Meg will start a

new school mid-September, but I don't think she really knows that.

Honestly we are a lot less busy now than before she was having

problems, and we don't have to spend any time running from this

appointment to that one anymore.

Thanks again,

Kerri

>

> Kerri I'm just jumping in to this so perhaps I missed the

> obvious reasons for setbacks on potty training -such as reasons

> stated in these links (a sample of the tens of thousands of links

> on this not unusual topic)

>

> http://pediatrics.about.com/od/weeklyquestion/a/04_potty_pblms.htm

> http://articlealley.com/article_65913_27.html

> http://pottytrainingsolutions.com/information/regression.htm

> http://www.medhelp.org/forums/ChildBehavior/messages/33255.html

>

http://www.bluesuitmom.com/family/parenting/expert/pottyregression.ht

ml

> http://www.pottytrainingconcepts.com/Potty-Training-

Regression/Potty-Training-Regression.htm

> http://www.bchealthguide.org/healthfiles/hfile92j.stm#E46E113

> http://babyparenting.about.com/cs/pottytraining/f/ptregression.htm

> http://www.reallifesolutions.net/family/regression.html

>

> Not saying this has nothing to do with yeast (not saying it is

> either) Put it this way - it's not in my Letterman top ten reasons

> most go through this stage. I remember my own baby sister went

> through this when she was a kid -wanted to go back to bottles and

> everything -because she " wanted to be a baby again " (if she had a

> yeast infection I was never told about it to this day)

>

> And if this did have anything to do with yeast or diet...since you

> just upped the EFAs and are on a regular regimen now...and

> since " The past few days have been a little better for Meg - not as

> many accidents and no puddle situations in the last two days.

Maybe

> it was just a phase? " you ask.

>

> Yes...perhaps it was just a phase or perhaps whatever caused it the

> EFAs helped. Perhaps just give it a bit more time the way you are

> with her and check out the links above...unless you want to give

her

> all that other stuff and change her diet anyway.

>

> Keep us posted!

> (and is she going to be starting a new school or something?)

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kerri-

I just want to add that now that my children are on the gfcf diet, I

notice much more pronounced reactions when they have a diet

infraction. Any dairy or gluten produces very noticeable symptoms.

Sometimes sporadic consumption of reactive foods can cause more

dramatic reactions, so that may be what you are seeing if she is

having dairy twice a month. I didn't realize that I reacted to gluten

and dairy until we started eating gfcf at home, and then when I would

go out to eat and have wheat or cheese, I would feel awful! I never

noticed symptoms before, when I was consuming gluten and casein

regularly. Now I definitely pay for it when I cheat.

We've worked to reduce our gfcf food expenses, so if you decide to go

back to the gfcf diet, let's talk offline about costs.

good luck,

> >

> > You could do a food panel to find out if Meg needs the gfcf diet.

> My

> > kids react to gluten and dairy, and consuming either just makes

> > everything harder for them. They progress much faster on the gfcf

> diet.

> >

> > The accidents sound like yeast to me - my son has this problem

> when he

> > has yeast overgrowth. Have you considered trying candex? GSE is

> rather

> > harsh (though effective), and it's good to rotate natural yeast

> > treatments any way. Capryllic acid might also be worth a try, or if

> > these don't work, a round of diflucan. Have you done a stool

> analysis

> > or OAT to find out if she has yeast?

> >

> > good luck

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kerri I'm just jumping in to this so perhaps I missed the

obvious reasons for setbacks on potty training -such as reasons

stated in these links (a sample of the tens of thousands of links

on this not unusual topic)

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/weeklyquestion/a/04_potty_pblms.htm

http://articlealley.com/article_65913_27.html

http://pottytrainingsolutions.com/information/regression.htm

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/ChildBehavior/messages/33255.html

http://www.bluesuitmom.com/family/parenting/expert/pottyregression.html

http://www.pottytrainingconcepts.com/Potty-Training-Regression/Potty-Training-Re\

gression.htm

http://www.bchealthguide.org/healthfiles/hfile92j.stm#E46E113

http://babyparenting.about.com/cs/pottytraining/f/ptregression.htm

http://www.reallifesolutions.net/family/regression.html

Not saying this has nothing to do with yeast (not saying it is

either) Put it this way - it's not in my Letterman top ten reasons

most go through this stage. I remember my own baby sister went

through this when she was a kid -wanted to go back to bottles and

everything -because she " wanted to be a baby again " (if she had a

yeast infection I was never told about it to this day)

And if this did have anything to do with yeast or diet...since you

just upped the EFAs and are on a regular regimen now...and

since " The past few days have been a little better for Meg - not as

many accidents and no puddle situations in the last two days. Maybe

it was just a phase? " you ask.

Yes...perhaps it was just a phase or perhaps whatever caused it the

EFAs helped. Perhaps just give it a bit more time the way you are

with her and check out the links above...unless you want to give her

all that other stuff and change her diet anyway.

Keep us posted!

(and is she going to be starting a new school or something?)

=====

[Guest guest]

,

I did order a 96-food IgG panel for Meg last November. The results

were highly sensitive to dairy/casein and moderate to

gluten/gliadin/wheat etc and almonds. The only real positive I saw

in Meg on the diet was the toiletting - she trained a few weeks

after starting the diet. Actually, her first potty success was a or

two days after removing casein, then her first BM was a couple days

after removing gluten. We've kept some of our eating habits from

when we were on the diet, and the girls only very occasionally have

dairy (ice cream maybe twice a month) and probably less gluten than

the average child (lots of snacks were replaced by fruit, rice

cakes, popcorn, etc). But it really was very challenging for us to

stay on, and I think very alienating for Meg since at school she

always had some lame special snack when the others were eating all

kinds of fun stuff. And there was the cost that was just killing

our finances here at home. So I'd like to avoid doing it again,

unless I determine it's definitely needed.

I've never done an OAT or stool analysis. The times when GSE just

seemed to knock out the accidents, Meg also would have rashes on her

bum that would go away. She doesn't have a rash now - but still

having accidents all the time. Maybe I will try candex. I've heard

of it, but I'll have to do some research.

Thanks for all of your ideas!

Kerri

>

> You could do a food panel to find out if Meg needs the gfcf diet.

My

> kids react to gluten and dairy, and consuming either just makes

> everything harder for them. They progress much faster on the gfcf

diet.

>

> The accidents sound like yeast to me - my son has this problem

when he

> has yeast overgrowth. Have you considered trying candex? GSE is

rather

> harsh (though effective), and it's good to rotate natural yeast

> treatments any way. Capryllic acid might also be worth a try, or if

> these don't work, a round of diflucan. Have you done a stool

analysis

> or OAT to find out if she has yeast?

>

> good luck

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the response and all the links. I read through them

all. The big thing that concerns me about Meg is that she seems to

have lost the ability to control her bladder, at least some of the

time, and it has happened gradually. She was doing great, then over

a week or two she lost the nightime, then the next month started

having those little pee accidents, first just once a week, gradually

up to once a day. At this point, on a good day she will have one a

day, on a bad day maybe 5 or 6. Then in the last week we've had the

puddles and the BM in the pull-up.

I don't think Meg wants to be a baby again - in fact when she wets

herself and is upset about it, she frequently says " I don't want to

be a baby! " She is concerned that her sister will be out of diapers

soon and she will still be having accidents.

We've had no " new " things in our lives recently. Meg will start a

new school mid-September, but I don't think she really knows that.

Honestly we are a lot less busy now than before she was having

problems, and we don't have to spend any time running from this

appointment to that one anymore.

Thanks again,

Kerri

>

> Kerri I'm just jumping in to this so perhaps I missed the

> obvious reasons for setbacks on potty training -such as reasons

> stated in these links (a sample of the tens of thousands of links

> on this not unusual topic)

>

> http://pediatrics.about.com/od/weeklyquestion/a/04_potty_pblms.htm

> http://articlealley.com/article_65913_27.html

> http://pottytrainingsolutions.com/information/regression.htm

> http://www.medhelp.org/forums/ChildBehavior/messages/33255.html

>

http://www.bluesuitmom.com/family/parenting/expert/pottyregression.ht

ml

> http://www.pottytrainingconcepts.com/Potty-Training-

Regression/Potty-Training-Regression.htm

> http://www.bchealthguide.org/healthfiles/hfile92j.stm#E46E113

> http://babyparenting.about.com/cs/pottytraining/f/ptregression.htm

> http://www.reallifesolutions.net/family/regression.html

>

> Not saying this has nothing to do with yeast (not saying it is

> either) Put it this way - it's not in my Letterman top ten reasons

> most go through this stage. I remember my own baby sister went

> through this when she was a kid -wanted to go back to bottles and

> everything -because she " wanted to be a baby again " (if she had a

> yeast infection I was never told about it to this day)

>

> And if this did have anything to do with yeast or diet...since you

> just upped the EFAs and are on a regular regimen now...and

> since " The past few days have been a little better for Meg - not as

> many accidents and no puddle situations in the last two days.

Maybe

> it was just a phase? " you ask.

>

> Yes...perhaps it was just a phase or perhaps whatever caused it the

> EFAs helped. Perhaps just give it a bit more time the way you are

> with her and check out the links above...unless you want to give

her

> all that other stuff and change her diet anyway.

>

> Keep us posted!

> (and is she going to be starting a new school or something?)

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kerri-

I just want to add that now that my children are on the gfcf diet, I

notice much more pronounced reactions when they have a diet

infraction. Any dairy or gluten produces very noticeable symptoms.

Sometimes sporadic consumption of reactive foods can cause more

dramatic reactions, so that may be what you are seeing if she is

having dairy twice a month. I didn't realize that I reacted to gluten

and dairy until we started eating gfcf at home, and then when I would

go out to eat and have wheat or cheese, I would feel awful! I never

noticed symptoms before, when I was consuming gluten and casein

regularly. Now I definitely pay for it when I cheat.

We've worked to reduce our gfcf food expenses, so if you decide to go

back to the gfcf diet, let's talk offline about costs.

good luck,

> >

> > You could do a food panel to find out if Meg needs the gfcf diet.

> My

> > kids react to gluten and dairy, and consuming either just makes

> > everything harder for them. They progress much faster on the gfcf

> diet.

> >

> > The accidents sound like yeast to me - my son has this problem

> when he

> > has yeast overgrowth. Have you considered trying candex? GSE is

> rather

> > harsh (though effective), and it's good to rotate natural yeast

> > treatments any way. Capryllic acid might also be worth a try, or if

> > these don't work, a round of diflucan. Have you done a stool

> analysis

> > or OAT to find out if she has yeast?

> >

> > good luck

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kerri

Did you do these test through an allergist or pediatrician>

Jeff <kerripat@...> wrote:

,

I did order a 96-food IgG panel for Meg last November. The results

were highly sensitive to dairy/casein and moderate to

gluten/gliadin/wheat etc and almonds. The only real positive I saw

in Meg on the diet was the toiletting - she trained a few weeks

after starting the diet. Actually, her first potty success was a or

two days after removing casein, then her first BM was a couple days

after removing gluten. We've kept some of our eating habits from

when we were on the diet, and the girls only very occasionally have

dairy (ice cream maybe twice a month) and probably less gluten than

the average child (lots of snacks were replaced by fruit, rice

cakes, popcorn, etc). But it really was very challenging for us to

stay on, and I think very alienating for Meg since at school she

always had some lame special snack when the others were eating all

kinds of fun stuff. And there was the cost that was just killing

our finances here at home. So I'd like to avoid doing it again,

unless I determine it's definitely needed.

I've never done an OAT or stool analysis. The times when GSE just

seemed to knock out the accidents, Meg also would have rashes on her

bum that would go away. She doesn't have a rash now - but still

having accidents all the time. Maybe I will try candex. I've heard

of it, but I'll have to do some research.

Thanks for all of your ideas!

Kerri

>

> You could do a food panel to find out if Meg needs the gfcf diet.

My

> kids react to gluten and dairy, and consuming either just makes

> everything harder for them. They progress much faster on the gfcf

diet.

>

> The accidents sound like yeast to me - my son has this problem

when he

> has yeast overgrowth. Have you considered trying candex? GSE is

rather

> harsh (though effective), and it's good to rotate natural yeast

> treatments any way. Capryllic acid might also be worth a try, or if

> these don't work, a round of diflucan. Have you done a stool

analysis

> or OAT to find out if she has yeast?

>

> good luck

>

>