Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare professionals, not LE/FF

[Guest guest]

On another site the discussion has come up what type of uniform would

identify us as what we are, healthcare professionals, rather than

cops or firefighters. I am bringing this subject here because I know

several of you and I respect a few of you.(haha)

It seems that everyone identifys scrubs with healthcare providers.

The idea was presented to start using a nice scrub top such as made

by www.aviatorscrubs.com more form fitted with pockets including

sleeve pockets, and better than cheap scrubs. Place service name,

persons name, ems level on it, and maybe star of life. Each service

could decide their own color. Combine that with EMS pants for

durability. Do away with badges, I don't see other healthcare

professionals(ie doctors, nurses) wearing them so why should we. Use

an EMS jacket or jumpsuit for cool weather, extrication suit for

wrecks. People see the scrub top and think healthcare provider.

When people see us in button up cop shirts with badges they think

cop. Many services choose to use tshirts or polos which I like

better than the button ups with badges but it still does not make

people think healthcare professional.

So whats your thoughts?

We are looking, as EMS, to have an identity or so it seems, if we

want to be viewed as healthcare we need to start dressing like it.

Just my opinion that this could be a way to start.

Renny Spencer

NR-EMT-I

Presidio, TX

[Guest guest]

This may be a good idea but I feel that it is a matter of public education as to

who we are and what we do. There are so many people that I have run into that

if you are not a paramedic they don't even know what EMT stands for. I

personally prefer the button up shirts since it looks professional. While I

respect the other professions it is unfortuanate that we are looked upon as cops

(no gun on the belt :-), firefighters, security guards or one of them " ambulance

drivers " . Also, I feel that the name badges are needed simply as a means of

identification. In the Austin area I see people (doctors/nurses) wearing their

badges more often than not. Again, I think that public education is needed.

Just my 0.02.

A. McClain

NR EMT-P

spenair wrote:

On another site the discussion has come up what type of uniform would

identify us as what we are, healthcare professionals, rather than

cops or firefighters. I am bringing this subject here because I know

several of you and I respect a few of you.(haha)

It seems that everyone identifys scrubs with healthcare providers.

The idea was presented to start using a nice scrub top such as made

by www.aviatorscrubs.com more form fitted with pockets including

sleeve pockets, and better than cheap scrubs. Place service name,

persons name, ems level on it, and maybe star of life. Each service

could decide their own color. Combine that with EMS pants for

durability. Do away with badges, I don't see other healthcare

professionals(ie doctors, nurses) wearing them so why should we. Use

an EMS jacket or jumpsuit for cool weather, extrication suit for

wrecks. People see the scrub top and think healthcare provider.

When people see us in button up cop shirts with badges they think

cop. Many services choose to use tshirts or polos which I like

better than the button ups with badges but it still does not make

people think healthcare professional.

So whats your thoughts?

We are looking, as EMS, to have an identity or so it seems, if we

want to be viewed as healthcare we need to start dressing like it.

Just my opinion that this could be a way to start.

Renny Spencer

NR-EMT-I

Presidio, TX

[Guest guest]

Appreciate your comment. A name tag or having it embroidered on is

needed in fact required as you must identify yourself, your level ,

and your service. When I say badge I mean cop style badge, not the

rectangle name tag. You mention Dr.s and nurses wearing badges,

those are what many refer to as ID tags, I have never seen them

wearing the shiny steel badge on their chest.

I agree a button up looks professional, but it it looks like a

professional cop. I really think we need to choose something that

helps identify us with healthcare. The reason a nice quality scrubs

top was mentioned is you think healthcare when you see scrubs.

Public education is definitly needed, but still in that we need

something they can easily identify with. Even kids recognize cops

and FF, yet they either have no idea who we are or wrongly put us

with FF/LE.

Lets stretch our minds a little and find a style that identifys us as

healthcare professionals.

Renny

>

> This may be a good idea but I feel that it is a matter of public

education as to who we are and what we do. There are so many people

that I have run into that if you are not a paramedic they don't even

know what EMT stands for. I personally prefer the button up shirts

since it looks professional. While I respect the other professions it

is unfortuanate that we are looked upon as cops (no gun on the belt :-

), firefighters, security guards or one of them " ambulance drivers " .

Also, I feel that the name badges are needed simply as a means of

identification. In the Austin area I see people (doctors/nurses)

wearing their badges more often than not. Again, I think that public

education is needed.

>

> Just my 0.02.

>

> A. McClain

> NR EMT-P

>

[Guest guest]

The reason your kids are not sure who you are is because yall have not educated

them. I work in multiple areas for multiple agencies, and the children that we

come in contact with know the difference between LE/FF and EMS healthcare

professionals. You need to implement education at the schools and special events

to better preserve your services professional appearance and different attire

from other emergency services. Thank you.

(Chuck) Chennault

PEMS/ AAEMC / AVFD/ DEMS

_Chennault@...

(979)481-1702 Cell

To: texasems-l@...: spenair@...: Sun, 19 Aug 2007

16:32:52 +0000Subject: Re: Uniform to easily identify EMS as

healtcare professionals, not LE/FF

Appreciate your comment. A name tag or having it embroidered on is needed in

fact required as you must identify yourself, your level , and your service. When

I say badge I mean cop style badge, not the rectangle name tag. You mention Dr.s

and nurses wearing badges, those are what many refer to as ID tags, I have never

seen them wearing the shiny steel badge on their chest. I agree a button up

looks professional, but it it looks like a professional cop. I really think we

need to choose something that helps identify us with healthcare. The reason a

nice quality scrubs top was mentioned is you think healthcare when you see

scrubs.Public education is definitly needed, but still in that we need something

they can easily identify with. Even kids recognize cops and FF, yet they either

have no idea who we are or wrongly put us with FF/LE.Lets stretch our minds a

little and find a style that identifys us as healthcare professionals.Renny---

In texasems-l , McClain wrote:>> This

may be a good idea but I feel that it is a matter of public education as to who

we are and what we do. There are so many people that I have run into that if you

are not a paramedic they don't even know what EMT stands for. I personally

prefer the button up shirts since it looks professional. While I respect the

other professions it is unfortuanate that we are looked upon as cops (no gun on

the belt :-), firefighters, security guards or one of them " ambulance drivers " .

Also, I feel that the name badges are needed simply as a means of

identification. In the Austin area I see people (doctors/nurses) wearing their

badges more often than not. Again, I think that public education is needed.> >

Just my 0.02.> > A. McClain> NR EMT-P>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you that we need to educate the public. You

made the statement " professional appearance and different attire from

other emergency services " . That is what I'm looking for. I don't

think people should have to get up close enough to read our shirts or

our id tags to know we are EMS on a scene. We should have a distinct

look that clearly shows healthcare professional, rather than cop or

FF. Many services choose the button up shirts but that looks like a

cop in the distance. With polos and tshirts could be a cop, could be

a FF, or could be a bystander trying to look in on the scene. And

having large stars of life front and back just don't ring

professional to me. The reason I mention scrubs top is it makes you

think healthcare provider even from a distance. Combine it with EMS

pants and we have a distinct professionl look, that shows we are

healthcare professionals that work out in the streets.

But again just my thoughts.

Renny

>

> The reason your kids are not sure who you are is because yall have

not educated them. I work in multiple areas for multiple agencies,

and the children that we come in contact with know the difference

between LE/FF and EMS healthcare professionals. You need to implement

education at the schools and special events to better preserve your

services professional appearance and different attire from other

emergency services. Thank you.

> (Chuck) Chennault

> PEMS/ AAEMC / AVFD/ DEMS

> _Chennault@...

> (979)481-1702 Cell

>

[Guest guest]

For those of you old enough to remember FDR, you'll also remember that at one

time ambulance " drivers " wore white shirts and pants, a la hospital

orderlies.

I propose that we go back to white long sleeved shirts with a little black

leather clipon bow tie, white pants and shoes, and a long lab coat. And a cab

driver's hat that with a Red Cross on the front of it.

Or, in the alternative, those white tops that barbers wear with the high

neck. When I was first in Denver in the 1960s, that's what the Denver medics

wore to drive their white Cadillac ambulances.

I favor going back to the Cadillacs.

That would set us apart.

GG

>

> I agree with you that we need to educate the public. You

> made the statement " professional appearance and different attire from

> other emergency services " . That is what I'm looking for. I don't

> think people should have to get up close enough to read our shirts or

> our id tags to know we are EMS on a scene. We should have a distinct

> look that clearly shows healthcare professional, rather than cop or

> FF. Many services choose the button up shirts but that looks like a

> cop in the distance. With polos and tshirts could be a cop, could be

> a FF, or could be a bystander trying to look in on the scene. And

> having large stars of life front and back just don't ring

> professional to me. The reason I mention scrubs top is it makes you

> think healthcare provider even from a distance. Combine it with EMS

> pants and we have a distinct professionl look, that shows we are

> healthcare professionals that work out in the streets.

>

> But again just my thoughts.

>

> Renny

>

> >

> > The reason your kids are not sure who you are is because yall have

> not educated them. I work in multiple areas for multiple agencies,

> and the children that we come in contact with know the difference

> between LE/FF and EMS healthcare professionals. You need to implement

> education at the schools and special events to better preserve your

> services professional appearance and different attire from other

> emergency services. Thank you.

> > (Chuck) Chennault

> > PEMS/ AAEMC / AVFD/ DEMS

> > _Chennault@ Ch

> > (979)481-1702 Cell

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

What about the flight-style jumpsuits? One EMS service I worked for used those

as the night duty wear (as compared to the light blue shirts/dark blue pants we

wore during the day. The jumpsuits might look flightish, but certainly would

differentiate EMS from FF or PD. (I particularly want NOT look like PD when

showing up at calls in less than desirable situtations. It's not that I don't

respect and appreciate the PD, I think the world of them and am thankful for

each and every officer I come in contact with. I want to make sure the bad guys

don't mistake me for someone wearing kevlar who can shoot back.)

Barry

________________________________

From: texasems-l on behalf of spenair

Sent: Sat 8/18/2007 4:04 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare professionals,

not LE/FF

On another site the discussion has come up what type of uniform would

identify us as what we are, healthcare professionals, rather than

cops or firefighters. I am bringing this subject here because I know

several of you and I respect a few of you.(haha)

It seems that everyone identifys scrubs with healthcare providers.

The idea was presented to start using a nice scrub top such as made

by www.aviatorscrubs.com more form fitted with pockets including

sleeve pockets, and better than cheap scrubs. Place service name,

persons name, ems level on it, and maybe star of life. Each service

could decide their own color. Combine that with EMS pants for

durability. Do away with badges, I don't see other healthcare

professionals(ie doctors, nurses) wearing them so why should we. Use

an EMS jacket or jumpsuit for cool weather, extrication suit for

wrecks. People see the scrub top and think healthcare provider.

When people see us in button up cop shirts with badges they think

cop. Many services choose to use tshirts or polos which I like

better than the button ups with badges but it still does not make

people think healthcare professional.

So whats your thoughts?

We are looking, as EMS, to have an identity or so it seems, if we

want to be viewed as healthcare we need to start dressing like it.

Just my opinion that this could be a way to start.

Renny Spencer

NR-EMT-I

Presidio, TX

[Guest guest]

I think you'd run into resistance from within in looking too

much like health care providers. Don't forget, as a profession

we still don't know who we are. The " are we public safety or

healcare providers " debate still rages. So some folks will be

more comfortable with a more " official " public safety look.

We tried, years ago, what Dynamed called their " medijacket " .

Sort of like the barber smock that Gene mentioned, but brightly

colored with reflective tape, and big pockets. Distinctive, practical,

clearly defined the EMS personnel from the fire or LE personnel.

And they all HATED them. They went away quickly! And when

I taught at the medical school, all our students rode out in

long lab coats. And everyone hated them, and all the public

thought they were doctors. So the physician community demanded

we switch to short lab coats. But again, everyone hated them,

and white lab coats were not too practical in the field.

I think the polos are a nice comprompise.

Steve , LP

AlertCPR Emergency Training

1400 Moccassin Trl, Suite 12

ville, TX 75077

>--- Original Message ---

>

>To: texasems-l

>Date: 8/18/07 3:04:26 PM

>

On another site the discussion has come up what type of uniform

would

>identify us as what we are, healthcare professionals, rather

than

>cops or firefighters. I am bringing this subject here because

I know

>several of you and I respect a few of you.(haha)

>It seems that everyone identifys scrubs with healthcare providers.

>The idea was presented to start using a nice scrub top such

as made

>by www.aviatorscrubs.com more form fitted with pockets including

>sleeve pockets, and better than cheap scrubs. Place service

name,

>persons name, ems level on it, and maybe star of life. Each

service

>could decide their own color. Combine that with EMS pants for

>durability. Do away with badges, I don't see other healthcare

>professionals(ie doctors, nurses) wearing them so why should

we. Use

>an EMS jacket or jumpsuit for cool weather, extrication suit

for

>wrecks. People see the scrub top and think healthcare provider.

>When people see us in button up cop shirts with badges they

think

>cop. Many services choose to use tshirts or polos which I like

>better than the button ups with badges but it still does not

make

>people think healthcare professional.

>

>So whats your thoughts?

>We are looking, as EMS, to have an identity or so it seems,

if we

>want to be viewed as healthcare we need to start dressing like

it.

>Just my opinion that this could be a way to start.

>

>Renny Spencer

>NR-EMT-I

>Presidio, TX

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shucks. I guess I'll have to cancel that order for 50,000 white suits for

Texas medics. LOL.

BTW, I did have one of those Dynamed things and the Dynamed jacket. Wish I

still did. It would be great for the museum.

GG

>

>

> I think you'd run into resistance from within in looking too

> much like health care providers. Don't forget, as a profession

> we still don't know who we are. The " are we public safety or

> healcare providers " debate still rages. So some folks will be

> more comfortable with a more " official " public safety look.

>

> We tried, years ago, what Dynamed called their " medijacket "

> Sort of like the barber smock that Gene mentioned, but brightly

> colored with reflective tape, and big pockets. Distinctive, practical,

> clearly defined the EMS personnel from the fire or LE personnel.

> And they all HATED them. They went away quickly! And when

> I taught at the medical school, all our students rode out in

> long lab coats. And everyone hated them, and all the public

> thought they were doctors. So the physician community demanded

> we switch to short lab coats. But again, everyone hated them,

> and white lab coats were not too practical in the field.

>

> I think the polos are a nice comprompise.

>

> Steve , LP

> AlertCPR Emergency Training

> 1400 Moccassin Trl, Suite 12

> ville, TX 75077

>

>

> >--- Original Message ---

> >

> >To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> >Date: 8/18/07 3:04:26 PM

> >

> On another site the discussion has come up what type of uniform

> would

> >identify us as what we are, healthcare professionals, rather

> than

> >cops or firefighters. I am bringing this subject here because

> I know

> >several of you and I respect a few of you.(haha)

> >It seems that everyone identifys scrubs with healthcare providers.

>

> >The idea was presented to start using a nice scrub top such

> as made

> >by www.aviatorscrubs.by www.aviatorscrubs.<wbr>com more form fit

>

> >sleeve pockets, and better than cheap scrubs. Place service

> name,

> >persons name, ems level on it, and maybe star of life. Each

> service

> >could decide their own color. Combine that with EMS pants for

>

> >durability. Do away with badges, I don't see other healthcare

>

> >professionals(professionals(<wbr>ie doctors, nurses) wearing

> we. Use

> >an EMS jacket or jumpsuit for cool weather, extrication suit

> for

> >wrecks. People see the scrub top and think healthcare provider.

>

> >When people see us in button up cop shirts with badges they

> think

> >cop. Many services choose to use tshirts or polos which I like

>

> >better than the button ups with badges but it still does not

> make

> >people think healthcare professional.

> >

> >So whats your thoughts?

> >We are looking, as EMS, to have an identity or so it seems,

> if we

> >want to be viewed as healthcare we need to start dressing like

> it.

> >Just my opinion that this could be a way to start.

> >

> >Renny Spencer

> >NR-EMT-I

> >Presidio, TX

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ldet me look, I may still have one in the closet. I might have the origianl with

the white sleeves.

Henry

Re: Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare

professionals, not LE/FF

Shucks. I guess I'll have to cancel that order for 50,000 white suits for

Texas medics. LOL.

BTW, I did have one of those Dynamed things and the Dynamed jacket. Wish I

still did. It would be great for the museum.

GG

>

>

> I think you'd run into resistance from within in looking too

> much like health care providers. Don't forget, as a profession

> we still don't know who we are. The " are we public safety or

> healcare providers " debate still rages. So some folks will be

> more comfortable with a more " official " public safety look.

>

> We tried, years ago, what Dynamed called their " medijacket "

> Sort of like the barber smock that Gene mentioned, but brightly

> colored with reflective tape, and big pockets. Distinctive, practical,

> clearly defined the EMS personnel from the fire or LE personnel.

> And they all HATED them. They went away quickly! And when

> I taught at the medical school, all our students rode out in

> long lab coats. And everyone hated them, and all the public

> thought they were doctors. So the physician community demanded

> we switch to short lab coats. But again, everyone hated them,

> and white lab coats were not too practical in the field.

>

> I think the polos are a nice comprompise.

>

> Steve , LP

> AlertCPR Emergency Training

> 1400 Moccassin Trl, Suite 12

> ville, TX 75077

>

>

> >--- Original Message ---

> >

> >To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> >Date: 8/18/07 3:04:26 PM

> >

> On another site the discussion has come up what type of uniform

> would

> >identify us as what we are, healthcare professionals, rather

> than

> >cops or firefighters. I am bringing this subject here because

> I know

> >several of you and I respect a few of you.(haha)

> >It seems that everyone identifys scrubs with healthcare providers.

>

> >The idea was presented to start using a nice scrub top such

> as made

> >by www.aviatorscrubs.by www.aviatorscrubs.<wbr>com more form fit

>

> >sleeve pockets, and better than cheap scrubs. Place service

> name,

> >persons name, ems level on it, and maybe star of life. Each

> service

> >could decide their own color. Combine that with EMS pants for

>

> >durability. Do away with badges, I don't see other healthcare

>

> >professionals(professionals(<wbr>ie doctors, nurses) wearing

> we. Use

> >an EMS jacket or jumpsuit for cool weather, extrication suit

> for

> >wrecks. People see the scrub top and think healthcare provider.

>

> >When people see us in button up cop shirts with badges they

> think

> >cop. Many services choose to use tshirts or polos which I like

>

> >better than the button ups with badges but it still does not

> make

> >people think healthcare professional.

> >

> >So whats your thoughts?

> >We are looking, as EMS, to have an identity or so it seems,

> if we

> >want to be viewed as healthcare we need to start dressing like

> it.

> >Just my opinion that this could be a way to start.

> >

> >Renny Spencer

> >NR-EMT-I

> >Presidio, TX

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What about the uniform that the Good Humor Man wore?? White shirt, white pants,

white shoes, black bow-tie, and white hat.

?

-Wes

Re: Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare

professionals, not LE/FF

Ldet me look, I may still have one in the closet. I might have the origianl with

the white sleeves.

Henry

Re: Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare

professionals, not LE/FF

Shucks. I guess I'll have to cancel that order for 50,000 white suits for

Texas medics. LOL.

BTW, I did have one of those Dynamed things and the Dynamed jacket. Wish I

still did. It would be great for the museum.

GG

>

>

> I think you'd run into resistance from within in looking too

> much like health care providers. Don't forget, as a profession

> we still don't know who we are. The " are we public safety or

> healcare providers " debate still rages. So some folks will be

> more comfortable with a more " official " public safety look.

>

> We tried, years ago, what Dynamed called their " medijacket "

> Sort of like the barber smock that Gene mentioned, but brightly

> colored with reflective tape, and big pockets. Distinctive, practical,

> clearly defined the EMS personnel from the fire or LE personnel.

> And they all HATED them. They went away quickly! And when

> I taught at the medical school, all our students rode out in

> long lab coats. And everyone hated them, and all the public

> thought they were doctors. So the physician community demanded

> we switch to short lab coats. But again, everyone hated them,

> and white lab coats were not too practical in the field.

>

> I think the polos are a nice comprompise.

>

> Steve , LP

> AlertCPR Emergency Training

> 1400 Moccassin Trl, Suite 12

> ville, TX 75077

>

>

> >--- Original Message ---

> >

> >To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> >Date: 8/18/07 3:04:26 PM

> >

> On another site the discussion has come up what type of uniform

> would

> >identify us as what we are, healthcare professionals, rather

> than

> >cops or firefighters. I am bringing this subject here because

> I know

> >several of you and I respect a few of you.(haha)

> >It seems that everyone identifys scrubs with healthcare providers.

>

> >The idea was presented to start using a nice scrub top such

> as made

> >by www.aviatorscrubs.by www.aviatorscrubs.com more form fit

>

> >sleeve pockets, and better than cheap scrubs. Place service

> name,

> >persons name, ems level on it, and maybe star of life. Each

> service

> >could decide their own color. Combine that with EMS pants for

>

> >durability. Do away with badges, I don't see other healthcare

>

> >professionals(professionals(ie doctors, nurses) wearing

> we. Use

> >an EMS jacket or jumpsuit for cool weather, extrication suit

> for

> >wrecks. People see the scrub top and think healthcare provider.

>

> >When people see us in button up cop shirts with badges they

> think

> >cop. Many services choose to use tshirts or polos which I like

>

> >better than the button ups with badges but it still does not

> make

> >people think healthcare professional.

> >

> >So whats your thoughts?

> >We are looking, as EMS, to have an identity or so it seems,

> if we

> >want to be viewed as healthcare we need to start dressing like

> it.

> >Just my opinion that this could be a way to start.

> >

> >Renny Spencer

> >NR-EMT-I

> >Presidio, TX

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The Navy Blue or the Orange?

Henry Barber wrote: Ldet me look, I may still

have one in the closet. I might have the origianl with the white sleeves.

Henry

Re: Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare

professionals, not LE/FF

Shucks. I guess I'll have to cancel that order for 50,000 white suits for

Texas medics. LOL.

BTW, I did have one of those Dynamed things and the Dynamed jacket. Wish I

still did. It would be great for the museum.

GG

>

>

> I think you'd run into resistance from within in looking too

> much like health care providers. Don't forget, as a profession

> we still don't know who we are. The " are we public safety or

> healcare providers " debate still rages. So some folks will be

> more comfortable with a more " official " public safety look.

>

> We tried, years ago, what Dynamed called their " medijacket "

> Sort of like the barber smock that Gene mentioned, but brightly

> colored with reflective tape, and big pockets. Distinctive, practical,

> clearly defined the EMS personnel from the fire or LE personnel.

> And they all HATED them. They went away quickly! And when

> I taught at the medical school, all our students rode out in

> long lab coats. And everyone hated them, and all the public

> thought they were doctors. So the physician community demanded

> we switch to short lab coats. But again, everyone hated them,

> and white lab coats were not too practical in the field.

>

> I think the polos are a nice comprompise.

>

> Steve , LP

> AlertCPR Emergency Training

> 1400 Moccassin Trl, Suite 12

> ville, TX 75077

>

>

> >--- Original Message ---

> >

> >To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> >Date: 8/18/07 3:04:26 PM

> >

> On another site the discussion has come up what type of uniform

> would

> >identify us as what we are, healthcare professionals, rather

> than

> >cops or firefighters. I am bringing this subject here because

> I know

> >several of you and I respect a few of you.(haha)

> >It seems that everyone identifys scrubs with healthcare providers.

>

> >The idea was presented to start using a nice scrub top such

> as made

> >by www.aviatorscrubs.by www.aviatorscrubs.<wbr>com more form fit

>

> >sleeve pockets, and better than cheap scrubs. Place service

> name,

> >persons name, ems level on it, and maybe star of life. Each

> service

> >could decide their own color. Combine that with EMS pants for

>

> >durability. Do away with badges, I don't see other healthcare

>

> >professionals(professionals(<wbr>ie doctors, nurses) wearing

> we. Use

> >an EMS jacket or jumpsuit for cool weather, extrication suit

> for

> >wrecks. People see the scrub top and think healthcare provider.

>

> >When people see us in button up cop shirts with badges they

> think

> >cop. Many services choose to use tshirts or polos which I like

>

> >better than the button ups with badges but it still does not

> make

> >people think healthcare professional.

> >

> >So whats your thoughts?

> >We are looking, as EMS, to have an identity or so it seems,

> if we

> >want to be viewed as healthcare we need to start dressing like

> it.

> >Just my opinion that this could be a way to start.

> >

> >Renny Spencer

> >NR-EMT-I

> >Presidio, TX

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

As long as municipalities continue to combine EMS with Fire services, as is

so common in Texas, and seemingly, in this country, it is my opinion that

EMS personnel will continue to be identified as firefighters. Let's face

it... If you roll up to a scene in a truck labeled " Corpus Christi Fire

Department " , do you really think people are going to not say " The firemen

are here? " A new uniform style is nice, but public education, and (if it is

truly desired) separation of EMS from fire services is going to be needed

across the board. I don't think simply saying " We're not cops, We're not

firefighters " and a shiny new shirt is gonna do it.

Joe Percer, LP

>

> What about the uniform that the Good Humor Man wore?? White shirt, white

> pants, white shoes, black bow-tie, and white hat.

>

> ?

>

> -Wes

>

> Re: Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare

> professionals, not LE/FF

>

> Ldet me look, I may still have one in the closet. I might have the

> origianl with the white sleeves.

>

> Henry

>

> Re: Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare

> professionals, not LE/FF

>

> Shucks. I guess I'll have to cancel that order for 50,000 white suits for

>

> Texas medics. LOL.

>

> BTW, I did have one of those Dynamed things and the Dynamed jacket. Wish I

>

>

> still did. It would be great for the museum.

>

> GG

>

> In a message dated 8/20/07 9:13:32 AM,

paramedic1@...<paramedic1%40sptent.com>writes:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I think you'd run into resistance from within in looking too

>

> > much like health care providers. Don't forget, as a profession

>

> > we still don't know who we are. The " are we public safety or

>

> > healcare providers " debate still rages. So some folks will be

>

> > more comfortable with a more " official " public safety look.

>

> >

>

> > We tried, years ago, what Dynamed called their " medijacket "

>

> > Sort of like the barber smock that Gene mentioned, but brightly

>

> > colored with reflective tape, and big pockets. Distinctive, practical,

>

> > clearly defined the EMS personnel from the fire or LE personnel.

>

> > And they all HATED them. They went away quickly! And when

>

> > I taught at the medical school, all our students rode out in

>

> > long lab coats. And everyone hated them, and all the public

>

> > thought they were doctors. So the physician community demanded

>

> > we switch to short lab coats. But again, everyone hated them,

>

> > and white lab coats were not too practical in the field.

>

> >

>

> > I think the polos are a nice comprompise.

>

> >

>

> > Steve , LP

>

> > AlertCPR Emergency Training

>

> > 1400 Moccassin Trl, Suite 12

>

> > ville, TX 75077

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > >--- Original Message ---

>

> > >From: " spenair " spenair@... <spenair%40yahoo.spe>>

>

> > >To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

>

> > >Date: 8/18/07 3:04:26 PM

>

> > >

>

> > On another site the discussion has come up what type of uniform

>

> > would

>

> > >identify us as what we are, healthcare professionals, rather

>

> > than

>

> > >cops or firefighters. I am bringing this subject here because

>

> > I know

>

> > >several of you and I respect a few of you.(haha)

>

> > >It seems that everyone identifys scrubs with healthcare providers.

>

> >

>

> > >The idea was presented to start using a nice scrub top such

>

> > as made

>

> > >by www.aviatorscrubs.by www.aviatorscrubs.com more form fit

>

> >

>

> > >sleeve pockets, and better than cheap scrubs. Place service

>

> > name,

>

> > >persons name, ems level on it, and maybe star of life. Each

>

> > service

>

> > >could decide their own color. Combine that with EMS pants for

>

> >

>

> > >durability. Do away with badges, I don't see other healthcare

>

> >

>

> > >professionals(professionals(ie doctors, nurses) wearing

>

> > we. Use

>

> > >an EMS jacket or jumpsuit for cool weather, extrication suit

>

> > for

>

> > >wrecks. People see the scrub top and think healthcare provider.

>

> >

>

> > >When people see us in button up cop shirts with badges they

>

> > think

>

> > >cop. Many services choose to use tshirts or polos which I like

>

> >

>

> > >better than the button ups with badges but it still does not

>

> > make

>

> > >people think healthcare professional.

>

> > >

>

> > >So whats your thoughts?

>

> > >We are looking, as EMS, to have an identity or so it seems,

>

> > if we

>

> > >want to be viewed as healthcare we need to start dressing like

>

> > it.

>

> > >Just my opinion that this could be a way to start.

>

> > >

>

> > >Renny Spencer

>

> > >NR-EMT-I

>

> > >Presidio, TX

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

Alright thanks for all the input. I still think we need something

that truly sets us apart as healthcare professionals.

Now the real reason for this post is all the talk about union, making

one voice for EMS.

We can't agree on something simple like a special uniform that the

union could use in commercials that help the public identify us, yes

an identity. Think about commercials for diet pills they show a guy

in a white lab coat trying to convince you its Doctor approved, they

have nurse commercials, always complete set of scrubs no matter

whether shown at hospital, on the road, the ambulance, etc.

We can't agree on what are the best work shifts as another discusion

currently running here has proved. Some thought should be, 8, 12, 24

hours, or limit number of patients you can see in X number of hours.

And all had valid points based on the area they work at. If you said

you had to take a sleep break after say 9 patients, I would not get a

sleep break until after 36 hours as a run is about 4 hours from 911

call till we get back to the station ( many actually longer ).

We can't agree on NR. ( Gene don't know if you should take credit for

writing any of their questions, think old Pace piccante sauce

commercials, get a rope. HAHA )

We can't agree on education. On this site and others I've seen

comments that range from shorten the courses to do away with EMT and

have a 4 year paramedic course. I do agree with Gene on the point he

made that the program he and Jane were involved with made the NR easy

because they taught well beyond the minimum levels. This is what all

instructors and programs should strive to do. I don't feel the

length of the program or method used for program is most important, I

feel it is the quality of the program that matters most.

We can't agree, well I think you get the point.

We did agree that OK was only good for keeping TX from falling into

the gulf .(haha)

So what can we do? How do we make changes that improve things for

all of us, but leaves each area the freedom to operate in the best

way for it?

[Guest guest]

Sometimes you have to agree to disagree.

Unions represent by a majority vote. Sometimes we have to accept that what

WE want is not what the majority wants, and we have to be willing to

compromise.

Pretty simple really.

Re: Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare

professionals, not LE/FF

Alright thanks for all the input. I still think we need something

that truly sets us apart as healthcare professionals.

Now the real reason for this post is all the talk about union, making

one voice for EMS.

We can't agree on something simple like a special uniform that the

union could use in commercials that help the public identify us, yes

an identity. Think about commercials for diet pills they show a guy

in a white lab coat trying to convince you its Doctor approved, they

have nurse commercials, always complete set of scrubs no matter

whether shown at hospital, on the road, the ambulance, etc.

We can't agree on what are the best work shifts as another discusion

currently running here has proved. Some thought should be, 8, 12, 24

hours, or limit number of patients you can see in X number of hours.

And all had valid points based on the area they work at. If you said

you had to take a sleep break after say 9 patients, I would not get a

sleep break until after 36 hours as a run is about 4 hours from 911

call till we get back to the station ( many actually longer ).

We can't agree on NR. ( Gene don't know if you should take credit for

writing any of their questions, think old Pace piccante sauce

commercials, get a rope. HAHA )

We can't agree on education. On this site and others I've seen

comments that range from shorten the courses to do away with EMT and

have a 4 year paramedic course. I do agree with Gene on the point he

made that the program he and Jane were involved with made the NR easy

because they taught well beyond the minimum levels. This is what all

instructors and programs should strive to do. I don't feel the

length of the program or method used for program is most important, I

feel it is the quality of the program that matters most.

We can't agree, well I think you get the point.

We did agree that OK was only good for keeping TX from falling into

the gulf .(haha)

So what can we do? How do we make changes that improve things for

all of us, but leaves each area the freedom to operate in the best

way for it?

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[Guest guest]

That's no ice cream man, THAT'S AN AMBULANCE DRIVER. See the little black

bag?

GG

>

> What about the uniform that the Good Humor Man wore?? White shirt, white

> pants, white shoes, black bow-tie, and white hat.

>

> ?

>

> -Wes

>

> Re: Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare

> professionals, not LE/FF

>

> Ldet me look, I may still have one in the closet. I might have the origianl

> with the white sleeves.

>

> Henry

>

> Re: Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare

> professionals, not LE/FF

>

> Shucks. I guess I'll have to cancel that order for 50,000 white suits for

>

> Texas medics. LOL.

>

> BTW, I did have one of those Dynamed things and the Dynamed jacket. Wish I

>

> still did. It would be great for the museum.

>

> GG

>

>

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I think you'd run into resistance from within in looking too

>

> > much like health care providers. Don't forget, as a profession

>

> > we still don't know who we are. The " are we public safety or

>

> > healcare providers " debate still rages. So some folks will be

>

> > more comfortable with a more " official " public safety look.

>

> >

>

> > We tried, years ago, what Dynamed called their " medijacket "

>

> > Sort of like the barber smock that Gene mentioned, but brightly

>

> > colored with reflective tape, and big pockets. Distinctive, practical,

>

> > clearly defined the EMS personnel from the fire or LE personnel.

>

> > And they all HATED them. They went away quickly! And when

>

> > I taught at the medical school, all our students rode out in

>

> > long lab coats. And everyone hated them, and all the public

>

> > thought they were doctors. So the physician community demanded

>

> > we switch to short lab coats. But again, everyone hated them,

>

> > and white lab coats were not too practical in the field.

>

> >

>

> > I think the polos are a nice comprompise.

>

> >

>

> > Steve , LP

>

> > AlertCPR Emergency Training

>

> > 1400 Moccassin Trl, Suite 12

>

> > ville, TX 75077

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > >--- Original Message ---

>

> > >

>

> > >To: texasems-l@yahoogroTo: tex

>

> > >Date: 8/18/07 3:04:26 PM

>

> > >

>

> > On another site the discussion has come up what type of uniform

>

> > would

>

> > >identify us as what we are, healthcare professionals, rather

>

> > than

>

> > >cops or firefighters. I am bringing this subject here because

>

> > I know

>

> > >several of you and I respect a few of you.(haha)

>

> > >It seems that everyone identifys scrubs with healthcare providers.

>

> >

>

> > >The idea was presented to start using a nice scrub top such

>

> > as made

>

> > >by www.aviatorscrubs.by www.aviatorscrubs.by www.aviatorscr

>

> >

>

> > >sleeve pockets, and better than cheap scrubs. Place service

>

> > name,

>

> > >persons name, ems level on it, and maybe star of life. Each

>

> > service

>

> > >could decide their own color. Combine that with EMS pants for

>

> >

>

> > >durability. Do away with badges, I don't see other healthcare

>

> >

>

> > >professionals(professionals(professionals(<wbr>professi

>

> > we. Use

>

> > >an EMS jacket or jumpsuit for cool weather, extrication suit

>

> > for

>

> > >wrecks. People see the scrub top and think healthcare provider.

>

> >

>

> > >When people see us in button up cop shirts with badges they

>

> > think

>

> > >cop. Many services choose to use tshirts or polos which I like

>

> >

>

> > >better than the button ups with badges but it still does not

>

> > make

>

> > >people think healthcare professional.

>

> > >

>

> > >So whats your thoughts?

>

> > >We are looking, as EMS, to have an identity or so it seems,

>

> > if we

>

> > >want to be viewed as healthcare we need to start dressing like

>

> > it.

>

> > >Just my opinion that this could be a way to start.

>

> > >

>

> > >Renny Spencer

>

> > >NR-EMT-I

>

> > >Presidio, TX

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

Somewhere I still have a lime green set, complete with oil stains.

Yep, them was the days .

Re: Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare

professionals, not LE/FF

The Navy Blue or the Orange?

Henry Barber <HYPERLINK

" mailto:hbarber%40cableone.net " hbarber (AT) cableone (DOT) -net> wrote: Ldet me look, I

may still have one in the closet. I might have the origianl with the white

sleeves.

Henry

Re: Uniform to easily identify EMS as healtcare

professionals, not LE/FF

Shucks. I guess I'll have to cancel that order for 50,000 white suits for

Texas medics. LOL.

BTW, I did have one of those Dynamed things and the Dynamed jacket. Wish I

still did. It would be great for the museum.

GG

In a message dated 8/20/07 9:13:32 AM, HYPERLINK

" mailto:paramedic1%40sptent.com " paramedic1 (AT) sptent (DOT) -com writes:

>

>

> I think you'd run into resistance from within in looking too

> much like health care providers. Don't forget, as a profession

> we still don't know who we are. The " are we public safety or

> healcare providers " debate still rages. So some folks will be

> more comfortable with a more " official " public safety look.

>

> We tried, years ago, what Dynamed called their " medijacket "

> Sort of like the barber smock that Gene mentioned, but brightly

> colored with reflective tape, and big pockets. Distinctive, practical,

> clearly defined the EMS personnel from the fire or LE personnel.

> And they all HATED them. They went away quickly! And when

> I taught at the medical school, all our students rode out in

> long lab coats. And everyone hated them, and all the public

> thought they were doctors. So the physician community demanded

> we switch to short lab coats. But again, everyone hated them,

> and white lab coats were not too practical in the field.

>

> I think the polos are a nice comprompise.

>

> Steve , LP

> AlertCPR Emergency Training

> 1400 Moccassin Trl, Suite 12

> ville, TX 75077

>

>

> >--- Original Message ---

> >From: " spenair " <HYPERLINK

" mailto:spenair%40yahoo.spe " spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) -spe>

> >To: texasems-l@yahoogro-texasem

> >Date: 8/18/07 3:04:26 PM

> >

> On another site the discussion has come up what type of uniform

> would

> >identify us as what we are, healthcare professionals, rather

> than

> >cops or firefighters. I am bringing this subject here because

> I know

> >several of you and I respect a few of you.(haha)

> >It seems that everyone identifys scrubs with healthcare providers.

>

> >The idea was presented to start using a nice scrub top such

> as made

> >by www.aviatorscrubs.-by www.aviatorscrubs.-<wbr>com more form fit

>

> >sleeve pockets, and better than cheap scrubs. Place service

> name,

> >persons name, ems level on it, and maybe star of life. Each

> service

> >could decide their own color. Combine that with EMS pants for

>

> >durability. Do away with badges, I don't see other healthcare

>

> >professionals(-professionals(-<wbr>ie doctors, nurses) wearing

> we. Use

> >an EMS jacket or jumpsuit for cool weather, extrication suit

> for

> >wrecks. People see the scrub top and think healthcare provider.

>

> >When people see us in button up cop shirts with badges they

> think

> >cop. Many services choose to use tshirts or polos which I like

>

> >better than the button ups with badges but it still does not

> make

> >people think healthcare professional.

> >

> >So whats your thoughts?

> >We are looking, as EMS, to have an identity or so it seems,

> if we

> >want to be viewed as healthcare we need to start dressing like

> it.

> >Just my opinion that this could be a way to start.

> >

> >Renny Spencer

> >NR-EMT-I

> >Presidio, TX

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >