Two EMTs wounded in Louisiana shootout.

August 10, 2007

Got this from the Shreveport times:

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070810/BREAKINGNEWS/\

70810050

Two cops and one suspect killed in the shootout, along with two wounded

EMTs.

The hospitalized EMT is , who was, last I heard, the

Operations Manager for Med Life Ambulance.

That's probably his rig you see in the photo. is listed in stable

condition, thank God, and his partner (not identified by name),

sustained a grazing wound that did not require hospitalization.

Not being one to second-guess on sketchy information, but I think it's

safe to safe that you do *not* want to park your rig less than 20 feet

from where the SWAT team is about to make a dynamic entry.

I'm sure and the folks from Med Life Ambulance could use your warm

wishes.

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August 10, 2007

,

Check out the front tire...almost looks like it was there before shooting

began....maybe being in the wrong place at the wrong time....

Dudley

Two EMTs wounded in Louisiana shootout.

Got this from the Shreveport times:

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070810/BREAKINGNEWS/\

70810050

Two cops and one suspect killed in the shootout, along with two wounded

EMTs.

The hospitalized EMT is , who was, last I heard, the

Operations Manager for Med Life Ambulance.

That's probably his rig you see in the photo. is listed in stable

condition, thank God, and his partner (not identified by name),

sustained a grazing wound that did not require hospitalization.

Not being one to second-guess on sketchy information, but I think it's

safe to safe that you do *not* want to park your rig less than 20 feet

from where the SWAT team is about to make a dynamic entry.

I'm sure and the folks from Med Life Ambulance could use your warm

wishes.

--

Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc.

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August 10, 2007

Other news reports said that the ambulance was called to the scene and they

were shot at upon arrival. Spooky stuff. Never, ever be complacent.

Always stage.

>

> ,

>

> Check out the front tire...almost looks like it was there before shooting

> began....maybe being in the wrong place at the wrong time....

>

> Dudley

>

> Two EMTs wounded in Louisiana shootout.

>

> Got this from the Shreveport times:

>

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070810/BREAKINGNEWS/\

70810050

>

> Two cops and one suspect killed in the shootout, along with two wounded

> EMTs.

>

> The hospitalized EMT is , who was, last I heard, the

> Operations Manager for Med Life Ambulance.

>

> That's probably his rig you see in the photo. is listed in stable

> condition, thank God, and his partner (not identified by name),

> sustained a grazing wound that did not require hospitalization.

>

> Not being one to second-guess on sketchy information, but I think it's

> safe to safe that you do *not* want to park your rig less than 20 feet

> from where the SWAT team is about to make a dynamic entry.

>

> I'm sure and the folks from Med Life Ambulance could use your warm

> wishes.

>

> --

> Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc.

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August 10, 2007

May those officers have an easy trail on their way to a better place and may a

merciful Creator comfort their families. May and his partner have a rapid

recovery.

" A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the

simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. " Proverbs 22:3

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August 10, 2007

Looks as though one of the detectives got a tip about some persons of

interest at the hotel, called his partner and went to go check it out. You

wouldn't call an ambulance to go with you for that.

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=6917874

We will have to wait for the details to shake out. But my initial hunch,

whatever that is worth, is that the shooting took place at 1:30pm like the

report says. Officers down and an ambulance called. Just speculation, and

I have a hard time believing that the EMS unit would pull right up into the

hotel like that.

Who knows. My thoughts and prayers are with those officers families and

their fellow police officers. Also with the two EMTs who were injured,

thank God they weren't killed, too.

Cpl Moseley, LP

Cleburne PD

>

> Other news reports said that the ambulance was called to the scene and

> they were shot at upon arrival. Spooky stuff. Never, ever be complacent.

> Always stage.

>

August 10, 2007

Yeah, see the flat... I'd hate to speculate on what happened until we know more

THEDUDMAN@... wrote:

,

Check out the front tire...almost looks like it was there before shooting

began....maybe being in the wrong place at the wrong time....

Dudley

Two EMTs wounded in Louisiana shootout.

Got this from the Shreveport times:

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070810/BREAKINGNEWS/\

70810050

Two cops and one suspect killed in the shootout, along with two wounded

EMTs.

The hospitalized EMT is , who was, last I heard, the

Operations Manager for Med Life Ambulance.

That's probably his rig you see in the photo. is listed in stable

condition, thank God, and his partner (not identified by name),

sustained a grazing wound that did not require hospitalization.

Not being one to second-guess on sketchy information, but I think it's

safe to safe that you do *not* want to park your rig less than 20 feet

from where the SWAT team is about to make a dynamic entry.

I'm sure and the folks from Med Life Ambulance could use your warm

wishes.

--

Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc.

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August 10, 2007

Best to all...they are in my prayers!

Jules

Two EMTs wounded in Louisiana shootout.

Got this from the Shreveport times:

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070810/BREAKINGNEWS/\

70810050

Two cops and one suspect killed in the shootout, along with two wounded

EMTs.

The hospitalized EMT is , who was, last I heard, the

Operations Manager for Med Life Ambulance.

That's probably his rig you see in the photo. is listed in stable

condition, thank God, and his partner (not identified by name),

sustained a grazing wound that did not require hospitalization.

Not being one to second-guess on sketchy information, but I think it's

safe to safe that you do *not* want to park your rig less than 20 feet

from where the SWAT team is about to make a dynamic entry.

I'm sure and the folks from Med Life Ambulance could use your warm

wishes.

--

Grayson, CCEMT-P, etc.

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August 10, 2007

Moseley writes:

>>Never, ever be complacent. Always stage. <<

Said a mouthful there.

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August 10, 2007

OK, not being one who believes everything the new prints or

broadcasts, I do not think that is an initial entry team in the

picture. It looks like a shooting had already taken place.

Every sees the ambulance tire flat, did you notice the blue vehicle on

the other side, it looks like a PT cruiser with a shot out rear window.

Like Dudley said maybe wrong place at the wrong time. So until all

details are clear do not point any fingers.

Remember scene safety should be your number one priority. If you feel

the scene is dangerous trust only one person, yourself.

Mike Shown

August 10, 2007

" Like Dudley said maybe wrong place at the wrong time. So until all

details are clear do not point any fingers. "

Good point. I wasn't questioning the actions of the EMTs, merely pointing out

that the ambulance was too close to the building for comfort - whether they were

responding to the initial shooting or supporting the tactical operations.

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August 11, 2007

In a message dated 10-Aug-07 23:31:23 Central Daylight Time,

Grayson902@... writes:

" Like Dudley said maybe wrong place at the wrong time. So until all

details are clear do not point any fingers. "

Good point. I wasn't questioning the actions of the EMTs, merely pointing

out that the ambulance was too close to the building for comfort - whether they

were responding to the initial shooting or supporting the tactical

operations.

we will have to wait for the formal after action report, but my sources in

the area indicate that there was a certain amount of CF going on, and that not

all of the injured were responding in their EMS capacity when the Charlie

started Foxtrotting...I knew one of the detectives and the injured medic quite

well, having worked in that ED for a number of years.

ck

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While I agree with the whole " scene safety " thing, when the radio suddenly

shouts that one of our own is down, the rules change quickly. Having been on a

few calls myself where either a cop, a fireman, or a medic was down, I can tell

you from experience that you're willing to take more risks to get that person

(or persons) out of harms way.

R.

FF/EMT

Re: Re: Two EMTs wounded in Louisiana shootout.

" Like Dudley said maybe wrong place at the wrong time. So until all

details are clear do not point any fingers. "

Good point. I wasn't questioning the actions of the EMTs, merely pointing out

that the ambulance was too close to the building for comfort - whether they were

responding to the initial shooting or supporting the tactical operations.

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August 11, 2007

In a message dated 8/11/2007 3:31:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

firerescue2ems@... writes:

but I think there's a scripture about him protecting the foolish

True but there is also an old joke about the foolish and St. meeting

face to face and St. being the one that laughs.

I have my share of combat EMS stories from urban USA and I used to brag

about getting shot at now and again, know I realize just how stupid I was in my

20's and how luckily I made it to my 40's.

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Rick, I know what you are trying to say by your comments below, but the

rules DO NOT change.

Our emotions about the call change and we get all worked up. Those emotions

are normal, but we can't act on emotions all the time. If we don't stop to

think rationally, we rush into a scene, not knowing what the situation is,

and wind up patients ourselves. Then we are not going to be able to help

our buddies and more folks are going to have to come and rescue our butts.

I have been involved in many of these type situations, rushed in like a fool

myself before I learned better. I've worked in EMS for 19 years and now as

a police officer for 9 years and I have seen it over and over. Honestly, we

EMS folks are not paid to be in harm's way. Firefighters are, cops are.

Our role in EMS is to provide medical care to our patients, after the scene

is secure.

I am a tactical paramedic on our PDs SWAT team, and have served three tours

in the Middle East in the past 4 years as a Navy Corpsman. In those times,

I am paid to be in harm's way. But I have to separate those times from when

I am just working the truck like every other EMT and medic. Tough to do?

You bet. But no matter where I am, my goal is to go home at the end of the

shift or tour, just like I showed up.

That being said, it didn't quite work out so well on my last tour overseas

and I am currently at the Naval Medical Center in San Diego where I just had

surgery two weeks ago for an injury to my shoulder. But that's a different

story :-)

I hope that the injured medic is doing well today, glad that it wasn't

anything major. My heart goes out to all that community.

>

> While I agree with the whole " scene safety " thing, when the radio

> suddenly shouts that one of our own is down, the rules change quickly.

> Having been on a few calls myself where either a cop, a fireman, or a medic

> was down, I can tell you from experience that you're willing to take more

> risks to get that person (or persons) out of harms way.

>

> R.

> FF/EMT

>

> -

>

August 11, 2007

In a message dated 8/11/2007 5:02:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

firerescue2ems@... writes:

Louis,

I know what ya mean. When I hit 40, I looked back and wondered how I'd made

it this far, LOL.

Well we did have lead painted cribs and never wore helmets on bike etc.

maybe that helped?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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,

Excellent point...for a non-violent example of this, search on deaths by

asphyxiation and see all the cases with multiple fatalities because one person

goes in the tank or man-hole, passes out and then several more dive in after to

" rescue " all becoming victims themselves.Â

We do no one any good if we become a victim by not thinking, not following

procedure, and rushing in...we just increase the work on everybody else.

BTW, hope you are healing well and fast.Â Take care.