Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Posted February 15, 2006 Vicky, Does a cardioversion ever work. I havnt done that yet. I always hear everyone talking about an ablation. Vicky vmpaf@...> wrote: , Good luck with this 2nd ablation. I hope you get to the point where the everyday problems of life become the most noticeable irritant again - I've had a fair number of these recently, and have to keep reminding myself what I said after my 2nd, successful, ablation - that whatever happened, nothing could be as bad as my AF was! Fingers crossed here for you. Vicky --- report on ablation number 2 Date: Wed Feb 15 2006 17:52:00 > I hope this is useful information and I'll keep > everyone posted on how my recovery goes. Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. Quote
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Posted February 15, 2006 , Firstly cardio version and an ablation are two tolltally different things. A cario version to be honest are not that successful as they do not stop what is causing your heart to go into afib. In a person that af has been caused by the Holiday heart syndrome then yes it may work. (holiday heart is binge drinking in fact binge everything a one off) In a normal person the AF is caused by something and the carioversion may get you back in NSR but the main problems are keeping you there. C uk Vicky, Does a cardioversion ever work. I havnt done that yet. I always hear everyone talking about an ablation. Vicky vmpaf@...> wrote: , Quote
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Posted February 15, 2006 yes, they absolutely do work for some. If you have a cardioversion and it puts you back in NSR then it " worked " ... even if it only works for a little while (hours/days/months). It's when they zap you and you DON'T return to NSR that would be considered " not working " . I had my first in Feb 2004, and I didn't have another episode for 15 months. Since Aug 24, 2005 I've had 11 episodes of afib, and 9 cardioversions. Despite the number, I'd say they all " worked " .... my heart just went back into afib shortly thereafter... but not because the cardioversion didn't work. The cardioversion doesn't permanently change anything about your heart or the electrical signals that are running around... it just instantaneously disrupts the electrical signals of an afib/flutter event in the hopes that when the signel resumes it will do so in a normal pattern, thus NSR. Cardioversion is a very low risk event. There is little, if any pain involved... the worst I've had is the ring burn you get from the paddles that itches like a mild sunburn for a couple days. I'd have unlimited cardioversions if I needed them... without hesitation. _____ From: AFIBsupport [mailto:AFIBsupport ] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:54 PM To: AFIBsupport Subject: Cardio Version Vicky, Does a cardioversion ever work. I havnt done that yet. I always hear everyone talking about an ablation. Vicky vmpaf@...> wrote: , Good luck with this 2nd ablation. I hope you get to the point where the everyday problems of life become the most noticeable irritant again - I've had a fair number of these recently, and have to keep reminding myself what I said after my 2nd, successful, ablation - that whatever happened, nothing could be as bad as my AF was! Fingers crossed here for you. Vicky --- report on ablation number 2 Date: Wed Feb 15 2006 17:52:00 > I hope this is useful information and I'll keep > everyone posted on how my recovery goes. Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. Quote
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Posted February 15, 2006 I just had my cardioversion it took 200 joules to put me back in sinus rythm i have done it at least 5 or 6 times and every time it worked for at least 6 to 12 month minimum. today i am back in sinus rythm but 2 hours after the procedure i am experincing some flutters for about few second than it goes back to normal.i am kind of worried did any body had such an experience after cardio version Quote
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Posted February 16, 2006 Stefanie: Cardioversions should not be taken lightly...My Cardio. checks my INR and it must be in the range of 2-3 for 3 weeks (to make sure there are no blood clots and my Potassium must be at 4 or above and my Magnesium must be in the range (forget the exact number but I think it is 2) before doing the Cardioversion. If my INR is not in range he will do a TEE to check whether there are any blood clots in my heart. He will not do the procedure unless all three values are in range. Are you on Coumadin? Isabelle--- snip................> yes, they absolutely do work for some. If you have a cardioversion and > it puts you back in NSR then it " worked " ... even if it only works for a > little while (hours/days/months). It's when they zap you and you DON'T > return to NSR that would be considered " not working " . > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Posted February 16, 2006 I don't have that much experience, but after my cardioversion, I had flutters for about 2 weeks. Re: Cardio Version I just had my cardioversion it took 200 joules to put me back in sinus rythm i have done it at least 5 or 6 times and every time it worked for at least 6 to 12 month minimum. today i am back in sinus rythm but 2 hours after the procedure i am experincing some flutters for about few second than it goes back to normal.i am kind of worried did any body had such an experience after cardio version Quote
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Posted February 16, 2006 Hi Isabelle - I never indicated that they should be taken lightly... but they are low risk, and they are nothing to be afraid of having. I am on coumadin and I keep theraputic. I also go to the ER rather quickly if I am in afib.. anywhere from a few minutes, to perhaps overnight if I end up going into afib late in the evening. I am almost non-functional in afib, and I rarely convert to NSR by myself, so there is little reason for me to wait. If one were to wait more than 48 hours in afib, or if one were to go to an ER where they were not known, then checking INR and refusing cardioversion would be the smart thing for the doctor to do if that person was not theraputic. The doctor knows nothing about the patient, and should hesitate to believe that the person indicates they've only been in afib for x period of time and are still within the safe range. For me, I'm highly symptomatic, I know the instant I start an event, I'm theraputic on coumadin, and I unfortunately know most of the ER doctors and nurses at my local hospital. I am aware of the risk of blood clot, stroke, heart attack and anesthesia related events that can arise from cardioversion, and I'd still choose to have one immediately should the need arise. Stef _____ From: AFIBsupport [mailto:AFIBsupport ] On Behalf Of Isabelle Bedell Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:42 AM To: AFIBsupport Subject: Re: Cardio Version Stefanie: Cardioversions should not be taken lightly...My Cardio. checks my INR and it must be in the range of 2-3 for 3 weeks (to make sure there are no blood clots and my Potassium must be at 4 or above and my Magnesium must be in the range (forget the exact number but I think it is 2) before doing the Cardioversion. If my INR is not in range he will do a TEE to check whether there are any blood clots in my heart. He will not do the procedure unless all three values are in range. Are you on Coumadin? Isabelle--- snip................> yes, they absolutely do work for some. If you have a cardioversion and > it puts you back in NSR then it " worked " ... even if it only works for a > little while (hours/days/months). It's when they zap you and you DON'T > return to NSR that would be considered " not working " . > > Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. Quote
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Posted February 16, 2006 cardioversion works for flutter as well... usually lower joules are enough to get you out of flutter. _____ From: AFIBsupport [mailto:AFIBsupport ] On Behalf Of Moskowitz Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:17 AM To: AFIBsupport Subject: RE: Cardio Version I don't have that much experience, but after my cardioversion, I had flutters for about 2 weeks. Re: Cardio Version I just had my cardioversion it took 200 joules to put me back in sinus rythm i have done it at least 5 or 6 times and every time it worked for at least 6 to 12 month minimum. today i am back in sinus rythm but 2 hours after the procedure i am experincing some flutters for about few second than it goes back to normal.i am kind of worried did any body had such an experience after cardio version Quote
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Posted February 16, 2006 Isabelle, Everything you just told me is verbatim of what my cardio told me. I am having the TEE first to be sure. Yes, I am on 4 mg coumadim and INR is at 2.0 Isabelle Bedell forestbedell@...> wrote: Stefanie: Cardioversions should not be taken lightly...My Cardio. checks my INR and it must be in the range of 2-3 for 3 weeks (to make sure there are no blood clots and my Potassium must be at 4 or above and my Magnesium must be in the range (forget the exact number but I think it is 2) before doing the Cardioversion. If my INR is not in range he will do a TEE to check whether there are any blood clots in my heart. He will not do the procedure unless all three values are in range. Are you on Coumadin? Isabelle--- snip................> yes, they absolutely do work for some. If you have a cardioversion and > it puts you back in NSR then it " worked " ... even if it only works for a > little while (hours/days/months). It's when they zap you and you DON'T > return to NSR that would be considered " not working " . > > Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com List owner: AFIBsupport-owner For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. Quote
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Posted February 16, 2006 could you please explain what a TEE is? Stefanie: > > Cardioversions should not be taken lightly...My Cardio. checks my INR > and it must be in the range of 2-3 for 3 weeks (to make sure there are > no blood clots and my Potassium must be at 4 or above and my Magnesium > must be in the range (forget the exact number but I think it is 2) > before doing the Cardioversion. If my INR is not in range he will do > a TEE to check whether there are any blood clots in my heart. > > He will not do the procedure unless all three values are in range. > > Are you on Coumadin? > > Isabelle--- > snip................> yes, they absolutely do work for some. If you > have a cardioversion and > > it puts you back in NSR then it " worked " ... even if it only works > for a > > little while (hours/days/months). It's when they zap you and you > DON'T > > return to NSR that would be considered " not working " . > > > > > > > > > > > Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, > send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help > > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Posted February 16, 2006 transesophageal echocardiogram... scope down the throat to look at your heart and see if there are blood clots. It's a common test done before heart surgery, and often before a cardioversion where anti-coagulation is in question. Some doctors do it before cardioversion whether the blood is properly anti-coagulated or not.. its an extra safety measure. TEEs generally start with a sedative, and then an anesthetic spray in the throat.. tastes like cherry chloraceptic... it's probably the worst part of the whole test, since they are trying to numb your gag reflex, and well... you usually gag and cough a bit during the numbing.. goes quickly though. Often you are then given another drug, like Versed, to make you more sleepy and forgetful. The test can last about half hour, but for you, depending on what they give you, you will remember the throat aneseptic and then you'll wake up! I had two in a row once, and one the second my throat was swollen and they bruised my larynx... that was quite painful and made me very hoarse for several days... not the end of the world, and certainly better than a stroke! _____ From: AFIBsupport [mailto:AFIBsupport ] On Behalf Of guides88 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:45 PM To: AFIBsupport Subject: Re: Cardio Version could you please explain what a TEE is? Stefanie: > > Cardioversions should not be taken lightly...My Cardio. checks my INR > and it must be in the range of 2-3 for 3 weeks (to make sure there are > no blood clots and my Potassium must be at 4 or above and my Magnesium > must be in the range (forget the exact number but I think it is 2) > before doing the Cardioversion. If my INR is not in range he will do > a TEE to check whether there are any blood clots in my heart. > > He will not do the procedure unless all three values are in range. > > Are you on Coumadin? > > Isabelle--- > snip................> yes, they absolutely do work for some. If you > have a cardioversion and > > it puts you back in NSR then it " worked " ... even if it only works > for a > > little while (hours/days/months). It's when they zap you and you > DON'T > > return to NSR that would be considered " not working " . > > > > > > > > > > > Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, > send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help > > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Posted February 16, 2006 A TEE is a devise they slide down your throat so that they can take a physical look at the heart. If they notice any blood coagulation they will not do the cardio verision at that time. Something like that. Its an extra safe all for precaution. I am having this done next week guides88 phyllisk@...> wrote: could you please explain what a TEE is? Stefanie: > > Cardioversions should not be taken lightly...My Cardio. checks my INR > and it must be in the range of 2-3 for 3 weeks (to make sure there are > no blood clots and my Potassium must be at 4 or above and my Magnesium > must be in the range (forget the exact number but I think it is 2) > before doing the Cardioversion. If my INR is not in range he will do > a TEE to check whether there are any blood clots in my heart. > > He will not do the procedure unless all three values are in range. > > Are you on Coumadin? > > Isabelle--- > snip................> yes, they absolutely do work for some. If you > have a cardioversion and > > it puts you back in NSR then it " worked " ... even if it only works > for a > > little while (hours/days/months). It's when they zap you and you > DON'T > > return to NSR that would be considered " not working " . > > > > > > > > > > > Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner > For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email, > send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help > > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be acted upon without consultation with one's physician. > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Posted February 16, 2006 : It wasn't so much that I thought you were taking Cardioversions ightly....it was more the message you were conveying to others....to do a Cardioversion without doing the bloodwork is not safe. That is what I meant. Thanks so much for clarifying your post. Isabelle In AFIBsupport , " Jarrell, Stefanie " wrote: > > Hi Isabelle - I never indicated that they should be taken lightly... but > they are low risk, and they are nothing to be afraid of having. I am on > coumadin and I keep theraputic.snip........................... Quote
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Posted February 17, 2006 Hi Jim: I am glad to hear that other Card. are careful about prepping their patients before a procedure. Isabelle--- wrote: > > Isabelle, Everything you just told me is verbatim of what my cardio told me. I am having the TEE first to be sure. Yes, I am on 4 mg coumadim and INR is at 2 snip................ > > > > > Quote
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