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While the email was not directed at me, I'll take offense to the lack of

spell-check and grammar check before posting this in a public forum and to a

respected physician in particular.

One of the reasons that I believe we are not respected by our fellow

healthcare professionals is because so many of us in EMS fail to communicate

clearly, whether by a lack of vocabulary or atrocious written language. Rightly

or

wrongly, no matter how much we excel at prehospital medicine, we will always

be looked upon as the " trained chimps " so long as we fail to present a

professional image. We only have one chance to make a first impression, and a

sloppily written report full of misspellings does not inspire confidence in the

physician reading the report.

While I realize that not everyone has the same level of education that some

of us do, there's no excuse not to improve your language, even if it's just

through reading. Strunk & White's " Elements of Style " is a great place to

find some basic grammatical and stylistic advice. Regardless, reading

voraciously is the sine qua non of methods to obtain a complete, literate

command of

the English language.

Best regards,

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Attorney at Law/Emergency Medical Technician

Austin, Texas

In a message dated 3/2/2006 4:25:40 PM Central Standard Time,

bentemt2003@... writes:

The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my

opinion.

Dr. B

I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in EMS

and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients and

spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I to

believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is needed

to

provide the proper care in a given situation. Have I ever started an I.V. that

was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been times I needed a

I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of Pt's to

different Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered by the ER

doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or is the

hospitals

starting a bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or that a good

paramedic can not distinguish between what is needed and not. I have started

lines

for respiratory distress but ended up not using because I was able to correct

the issue with a BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case.

I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed

by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do

not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing in

EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not

distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is every

medic

practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they are not but

that does not meen all of them are not. I have a friend with osteosarcoma

which was diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any

out of the box thinking because his family had no HX. and it has since mets. to

the lungs. I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt.

to the proper facility needed not because they are pretty or neat. After 30

years if he never needed a bird he either lived next door to a good

trauma/medical facility or never had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong

facility. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my life

to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend or

challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will change with

experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at conference on pain

management and thought you did a excellent job.

Don Elbert wrote:

Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states

they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and

help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and

dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but

when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as

though they can't wait to use them again.

Discretion is the better part of patient care.

Don

>>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>>

Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the

field were I work and love them.

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons

I stay on this list is that it gives me some great

insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of

my

writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as

a

large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for

topics

and this list and others are sometimes my muse.

With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something

I

have been struggling with. Thus:

1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to

the

max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a

BVM.

Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to

cut

somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact

that

studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for

anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We

are not

happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something "

and

buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now

carrying

more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat "

and

we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar

horse

hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters

are

all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits

outweigh

the risks and costs.

2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter

pins on

their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we

believe

tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered.

Is

it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically

around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an

EMT

shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids

to

Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and

paramedics I

ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and

he

reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS

work.

In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10

flight

paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The

purpose

of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to

certain

situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for

non-critical

patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight

paramedics.

They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending

their

helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science

above

ego.

3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller

ones

are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What

would

Freud say?

4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS

for

the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS

because

we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the

infirm.

Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did

we

start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting

needles

into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a

BVM

will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a

1%

chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things

we

start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in

nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and

people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs

they

have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to

ask,

but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad

as we

used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think

it

occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good

neighbor

and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after

page on

how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good

neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes

that

all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small

percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude

ourselves

with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the

patient

when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those

actions.

5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all

wrong.

We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most

effective

modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy

to

police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In

our new

CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used

the

inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied.

Surgical

airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is

how

it should be.

6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me

two

things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT)

is

more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when

to do

something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor

the

last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and

probably

explain why I write and speak the way I do.

Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a

good

neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine

could be

handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS

skills.

That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized

skills and

paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very

much

needed for the right patient at the right time.

Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it.

BEB

I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have

NEVER had

to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO

once.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Guest guest
Posted

While the email was not directed at me, I'll take offense to the lack of

spell-check and grammar check before posting this in a public forum and to a

respected physician in particular.

One of the reasons that I believe we are not respected by our fellow

healthcare professionals is because so many of us in EMS fail to communicate

clearly, whether by a lack of vocabulary or atrocious written language. Rightly

or

wrongly, no matter how much we excel at prehospital medicine, we will always

be looked upon as the " trained chimps " so long as we fail to present a

professional image. We only have one chance to make a first impression, and a

sloppily written report full of misspellings does not inspire confidence in the

physician reading the report.

While I realize that not everyone has the same level of education that some

of us do, there's no excuse not to improve your language, even if it's just

through reading. Strunk & White's " Elements of Style " is a great place to

find some basic grammatical and stylistic advice. Regardless, reading

voraciously is the sine qua non of methods to obtain a complete, literate

command of

the English language.

Best regards,

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Attorney at Law/Emergency Medical Technician

Austin, Texas

In a message dated 3/2/2006 4:25:40 PM Central Standard Time,

bentemt2003@... writes:

The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my

opinion.

Dr. B

I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in EMS

and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients and

spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I to

believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is needed

to

provide the proper care in a given situation. Have I ever started an I.V. that

was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been times I needed a

I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of Pt's to

different Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered by the ER

doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or is the

hospitals

starting a bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or that a good

paramedic can not distinguish between what is needed and not. I have started

lines

for respiratory distress but ended up not using because I was able to correct

the issue with a BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case.

I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed

by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do

not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing in

EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not

distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is every

medic

practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they are not but

that does not meen all of them are not. I have a friend with osteosarcoma

which was diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any

out of the box thinking because his family had no HX. and it has since mets. to

the lungs. I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt.

to the proper facility needed not because they are pretty or neat. After 30

years if he never needed a bird he either lived next door to a good

trauma/medical facility or never had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong

facility. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my life

to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend or

challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will change with

experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at conference on pain

management and thought you did a excellent job.

Don Elbert wrote:

Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states

they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and

help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and

dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but

when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as

though they can't wait to use them again.

Discretion is the better part of patient care.

Don

>>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>>

Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the

field were I work and love them.

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons

I stay on this list is that it gives me some great

insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of

my

writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as

a

large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for

topics

and this list and others are sometimes my muse.

With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something

I

have been struggling with. Thus:

1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to

the

max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a

BVM.

Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to

cut

somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact

that

studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for

anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We

are not

happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something "

and

buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now

carrying

more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat "

and

we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar

horse

hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters

are

all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits

outweigh

the risks and costs.

2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter

pins on

their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we

believe

tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered.

Is

it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically

around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an

EMT

shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids

to

Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and

paramedics I

ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and

he

reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS

work.

In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10

flight

paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The

purpose

of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to

certain

situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for

non-critical

patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight

paramedics.

They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending

their

helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science

above

ego.

3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller

ones

are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What

would

Freud say?

4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS

for

the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS

because

we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the

infirm.

Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did

we

start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting

needles

into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a

BVM

will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a

1%

chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things

we

start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in

nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and

people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs

they

have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to

ask,

but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad

as we

used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think

it

occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good

neighbor

and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after

page on

how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good

neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes

that

all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small

percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude

ourselves

with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the

patient

when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those

actions.

5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all

wrong.

We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most

effective

modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy

to

police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In

our new

CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used

the

inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied.

Surgical

airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is

how

it should be.

6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me

two

things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT)

is

more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when

to do

something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor

the

last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and

probably

explain why I write and speak the way I do.

Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a

good

neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine

could be

handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS

skills.

That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized

skills and

paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very

much

needed for the right patient at the right time.

Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it.

BEB

I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have

NEVER had

to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO

once.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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In a message dated 02-Mar-06 12:54:13 Central Standard Time,

bbledsoe@... writes:

6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me two

things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT) is

more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when to do

something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor the

last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and probably

explain why I write and speak the way I do.

One of my professors also pointed out that there is an irrevocable minimum

that you do for the patient... He quoted the figure of about 75% of all

activities on/to/about the patient....everything else we do is for

ourselves...so

that we can look ourselves in the mirror and shave in the morning.

One of the things that I am learning very rapidly in my new job in Urgent

Care is that most folks need a certain amount of explanation about what to

expect, and a minimum of medications to make them feel a bit better...and the

doc

doesn't need to spend hours of his time and thousands of dollars of the

patient's money to confirm that, yes, indeed, it is the flu...the percentage

that

I am having to do for my comfort is dropping rapidly, even as I am learning

new ways to keep people at home and out of the hospital.

Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a good

neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine could be

handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS skills.

That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized skills and

paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very much

needed for the right patient at the right time.

Agreed...and the funny part about that 90%? How often does a 'real EP' get

to do the other 10%? From what I'm seeing here in the big city, there are now

specialty teams to handle chest pain, trauma, evolving stroke, emergent child

birth, and really really sick kids....which makes up most of that 10% that

the average family doc can't handle...

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

Guest guest
Posted

In a message dated 02-Mar-06 12:54:13 Central Standard Time,

bbledsoe@... writes:

6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me two

things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT) is

more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when to do

something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor the

last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and probably

explain why I write and speak the way I do.

One of my professors also pointed out that there is an irrevocable minimum

that you do for the patient... He quoted the figure of about 75% of all

activities on/to/about the patient....everything else we do is for

ourselves...so

that we can look ourselves in the mirror and shave in the morning.

One of the things that I am learning very rapidly in my new job in Urgent

Care is that most folks need a certain amount of explanation about what to

expect, and a minimum of medications to make them feel a bit better...and the

doc

doesn't need to spend hours of his time and thousands of dollars of the

patient's money to confirm that, yes, indeed, it is the flu...the percentage

that

I am having to do for my comfort is dropping rapidly, even as I am learning

new ways to keep people at home and out of the hospital.

Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a good

neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine could be

handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS skills.

That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized skills and

paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very much

needed for the right patient at the right time.

Agreed...and the funny part about that 90%? How often does a 'real EP' get

to do the other 10%? From what I'm seeing here in the big city, there are now

specialty teams to handle chest pain, trauma, evolving stroke, emergent child

birth, and really really sick kids....which makes up most of that 10% that

the average family doc can't handle...

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

Guest guest
Posted

The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my opinion.

Dr. B

I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in EMS

and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients and

spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I to

believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is needed to

provide the proper care in a given situation. Have I ever started an I.V. that

was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been times I needed a

I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of Pt's to different

Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered by the ER doctor. Does

that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or is the hospitals starting a

bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or that a good paramedic can not

distinguish between what is needed and not. I have started lines for respiratory

distress but ended up not using because I was able to correct the issue with a

BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case.

I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed by

EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do not

question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing in EMS

but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not distinguish

between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is every medic

practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they are not but that

does not meen all of them are not. I have a friend with osteosarcoma which was

diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any out of the

box thinking because his family had no HX. and it has since mets. to the lungs.

I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt. to the proper

facility needed not because they are pretty or neat. After 30 years if he never

needed a bird he either lived next door to a good trauma/medical facility or

never had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong

facility. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my life

to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend or

challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will change with

experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at conference on pain

management and thought you did a excellent job.

Don Elbert wrote:

Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states

they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and

help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and

dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but

when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as

though they can't wait to use them again.

Discretion is the better part of patient care.

Don

>>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>>

Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the

field were I work and love them.

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons

I stay on this list is that it gives me some great

insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of

my

writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as

a

large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for

topics

and this list and others are sometimes my muse.

With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something

I

have been struggling with. Thus:

1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to

the

max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a

BVM.

Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to

cut

somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact

that

studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for

anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We

are not

happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something "

and

buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now

carrying

more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat "

and

we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar

horse

hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters

are

all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits

outweigh

the risks and costs.

2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter

pins on

their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we

believe

tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered.

Is

it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically

around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an

EMT

shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids

to

Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and

paramedics I

ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and

he

reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS

work.

In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10

flight

paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The

purpose

of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to

certain

situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for

non-critical

patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight

paramedics.

They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending

their

helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science

above

ego.

3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller

ones

are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What

would

Freud say?

4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS

for

the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS

because

we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the

infirm.

Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did

we

start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting

needles

into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a

BVM

will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a

1%

chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things

we

start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in

nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and

people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs

they

have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to

ask,

but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad

as we

used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think

it

occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good

neighbor

and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after

page on

how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good

neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes

that

all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small

percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude

ourselves

with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the

patient

when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those

actions.

5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all

wrong.

We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most

effective

modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy

to

police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In

our new

CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used

the

inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied.

Surgical

airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is

how

it should be.

6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me

two

things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT)

is

more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when

to do

something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor

the

last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and

probably

explain why I write and speak the way I do.

Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a

good

neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine

could be

handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS

skills.

That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized

skills and

paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very

much

needed for the right patient at the right time.

Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it.

BEB

I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have

NEVER had

to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO

once.

Guest guest
Posted

The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my opinion.

Dr. B

I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in EMS

and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients and

spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I to

believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is needed to

provide the proper care in a given situation. Have I ever started an I.V. that

was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been times I needed a

I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of Pt's to different

Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered by the ER doctor. Does

that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or is the hospitals starting a

bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or that a good paramedic can not

distinguish between what is needed and not. I have started lines for respiratory

distress but ended up not using because I was able to correct the issue with a

BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case.

I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed by

EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do not

question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing in EMS

but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not distinguish

between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is every medic

practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they are not but that

does not meen all of them are not. I have a friend with osteosarcoma which was

diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any out of the

box thinking because his family had no HX. and it has since mets. to the lungs.

I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt. to the proper

facility needed not because they are pretty or neat. After 30 years if he never

needed a bird he either lived next door to a good trauma/medical facility or

never had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong

facility. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my life

to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend or

challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will change with

experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at conference on pain

management and thought you did a excellent job.

Don Elbert wrote:

Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states

they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and

help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and

dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but

when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as

though they can't wait to use them again.

Discretion is the better part of patient care.

Don

>>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>>

Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the

field were I work and love them.

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons

I stay on this list is that it gives me some great

insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of

my

writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as

a

large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for

topics

and this list and others are sometimes my muse.

With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something

I

have been struggling with. Thus:

1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to

the

max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a

BVM.

Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to

cut

somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact

that

studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for

anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We

are not

happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something "

and

buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now

carrying

more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat "

and

we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar

horse

hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters

are

all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits

outweigh

the risks and costs.

2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter

pins on

their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we

believe

tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered.

Is

it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically

around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an

EMT

shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids

to

Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and

paramedics I

ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and

he

reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS

work.

In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10

flight

paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The

purpose

of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to

certain

situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for

non-critical

patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight

paramedics.

They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending

their

helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science

above

ego.

3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller

ones

are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What

would

Freud say?

4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS

for

the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS

because

we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the

infirm.

Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did

we

start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting

needles

into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a

BVM

will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a

1%

chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things

we

start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in

nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and

people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs

they

have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to

ask,

but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad

as we

used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think

it

occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good

neighbor

and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after

page on

how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good

neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes

that

all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small

percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude

ourselves

with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the

patient

when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those

actions.

5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all

wrong.

We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most

effective

modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy

to

police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In

our new

CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used

the

inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied.

Surgical

airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is

how

it should be.

6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me

two

things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT)

is

more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when

to do

something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor

the

last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and

probably

explain why I write and speak the way I do.

Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a

good

neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine

could be

handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS

skills.

That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized

skills and

paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very

much

needed for the right patient at the right time.

Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it.

BEB

I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have

NEVER had

to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO

once.

Guest guest
Posted

Couldn't of said it better my self! Way to go ben thacker

-- Re: The List

The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my

opinion.

Dr. B

I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in

EMS and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients

and spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I

to believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is

needed to provide the proper care in a given situation. Have I ever started

an I.V. that was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been

times I needed a I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of

Pt's to different Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered

by the ER doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or

is the hospitals starting a bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or

that a good paramedic can not distinguish between what is needed and not. I

have started lines for respiratory distress but ended up not using because I

was able to correct the issue with a BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the

line just in case.

I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed

by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do

not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing

in EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not

distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is

every medic practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they

are not but that does not meen all of them are not. I have a friend with

osteosarcoma which was diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray

or MRI or any out of the box thinking because his family had no HX. and it

has since mets. to the lungs. I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted

to expedite my Pt. to the proper facility needed not because they are pretty

or neat. After 30 years if he never needed a bird he either lived next door

to a good trauma/medical facility or never had a serious Pt. or sent some to

the wrong

facility. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my

life to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend

or challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will

change with experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at

conference on pain management and thought you did a excellent job.

Don Elbert wrote:

Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states

they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and

help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and

dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but

when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as

though they can't wait to use them again.

Discretion is the better part of patient care.

Don

>>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>>

Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the

field were I work and love them.

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons

I stay on this list is that it gives me some great

insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of

my

writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as

a

large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for

topics

and this list and others are sometimes my muse.

With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something

I

have been struggling with. Thus:

1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to

the

max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a

BVM.

Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to

cut

somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact

that

studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for

anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We

are not

happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something "

and

buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now

carrying

more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat "

and

we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar

horse

hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters

are

all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits

outweigh

the risks and costs.

2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter

pins on

their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we

believe

tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered.

Is

it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically

around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an

EMT

shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids

to

Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and

paramedics I

ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and

he

reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS

work.

In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10

flight

paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The

purpose

of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to

certain

situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for

non-critical

patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight

paramedics.

They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending

their

helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science

above

ego.

3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller

ones

are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What

would

Freud say?

4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS

for

the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS

because

we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the

infirm.

Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did

we

start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting

needles

into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a

BVM

will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a

1%

chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things

we

start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in

nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and

people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs

they

have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to

ask,

but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad

as we

used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think

it

occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good

neighbor

and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after

page on

how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good

neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes

that

all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small

percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude

ourselves

with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the

patient

when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those

actions.

5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all

wrong.

We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most

effective

modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy

to

police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In

our new

CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used

the

inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied.

Surgical

airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is

how

it should be.

6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me

two

things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT)

is

more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when

to do

something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor

the

last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and

probably

explain why I write and speak the way I do.

Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a

good

neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine

could be

handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS

skills.

That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized

skills and

paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very

much

needed for the right patient at the right time.

Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it.

BEB

I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have

NEVER had

to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO

once.

Guest guest
Posted

Couldn't of said it better my self! Way to go ben thacker

-- Re: The List

The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my

opinion.

Dr. B

I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in

EMS and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients

and spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I

to believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is

needed to provide the proper care in a given situation. Have I ever started

an I.V. that was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been

times I needed a I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of

Pt's to different Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered

by the ER doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or

is the hospitals starting a bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or

that a good paramedic can not distinguish between what is needed and not. I

have started lines for respiratory distress but ended up not using because I

was able to correct the issue with a BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the

line just in case.

I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed

by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do

not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing

in EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not

distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is

every medic practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they

are not but that does not meen all of them are not. I have a friend with

osteosarcoma which was diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray

or MRI or any out of the box thinking because his family had no HX. and it

has since mets. to the lungs. I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted

to expedite my Pt. to the proper facility needed not because they are pretty

or neat. After 30 years if he never needed a bird he either lived next door

to a good trauma/medical facility or never had a serious Pt. or sent some to

the wrong

facility. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my

life to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend

or challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will

change with experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at

conference on pain management and thought you did a excellent job.

Don Elbert wrote:

Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states

they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and

help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and

dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but

when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as

though they can't wait to use them again.

Discretion is the better part of patient care.

Don

>>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>>

Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the

field were I work and love them.

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons

I stay on this list is that it gives me some great

insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of

my

writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as

a

large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for

topics

and this list and others are sometimes my muse.

With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something

I

have been struggling with. Thus:

1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to

the

max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a

BVM.

Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to

cut

somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact

that

studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for

anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We

are not

happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something "

and

buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now

carrying

more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat "

and

we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar

horse

hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters

are

all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits

outweigh

the risks and costs.

2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter

pins on

their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we

believe

tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered.

Is

it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically

around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an

EMT

shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids

to

Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and

paramedics I

ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and

he

reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS

work.

In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10

flight

paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The

purpose

of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to

certain

situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for

non-critical

patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight

paramedics.

They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending

their

helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science

above

ego.

3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller

ones

are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What

would

Freud say?

4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS

for

the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS

because

we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the

infirm.

Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did

we

start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting

needles

into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a

BVM

will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a

1%

chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things

we

start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in

nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and

people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs

they

have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to

ask,

but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad

as we

used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think

it

occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good

neighbor

and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after

page on

how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good

neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes

that

all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small

percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude

ourselves

with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the

patient

when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those

actions.

5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all

wrong.

We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most

effective

modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy

to

police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In

our new

CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used

the

inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied.

Surgical

airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is

how

it should be.

6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me

two

things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT)

is

more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when

to do

something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor

the

last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and

probably

explain why I write and speak the way I do.

Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a

good

neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine

could be

handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS

skills.

That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized

skills and

paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very

much

needed for the right patient at the right time.

Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it.

BEB

I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have

NEVER had

to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO

once.

Guest guest
Posted

Mr. Ogilvie,

I was also disturbed by Mr. Thacker " s seeming lack of basic English

grammatical abilities, but that is not the thing which disturbs me

most about his message.

Since moving to Texas and discovering this wonderful email list I

have read Dr. Bledsoe's comments with interest. I've become

convinced that he is very interested, if not obsessed with seeing

EMS become something more than what it is today. He uses wit, humor,

sarcasm, sometimes scathing criticism, and wisdom to encourage us to

be better. I like that. I've read and researched Dr. Bledsoe's

comments on CISM, on helicopter triage, and some of the

other " myths " . I have never once seen him offer an " all or none "

situation. He always leaves alternatives.

I've also seen Mr. Thacker and a few dozen others post not-so-smart

messages to the list. They fail to understand that Dr. Bledsoe is

not claiming all helicopter use is bad – only that the way we do it

now is not as good as it could be. Dr. Bledsoe never said people

involved in psychologically traumatic situations didn't require some

kind of support – only that some of them might not, and that CISM is

psycho-babble that couldn't, didn't and would never work. There are

alternatives which can/do work. There are better ways to do things.

I would encourage Mr. Thacker, and all others with that particular

mindset to use the one tool Dr. Bledsoe has time and again exhorted

us to use – critical thinking. Whether a personh can or cannot

compose a grammatically correct sentence or report is far less

important than simply learning to think critically, don't you agree?

--

>

>

> While the email was not directed at me, I'll take offense to the

lack of

> spell-check and grammar check before posting this in a public

forum and to a

> respected physician in particular.

>

> One of the reasons that I believe we are not respected by our

fellow

> healthcare professionals is because so many of us in EMS fail to

communicate

> clearly, whether by a lack of vocabulary or atrocious written

language. Rightly or

> wrongly, no matter how much we excel at prehospital medicine, we

will always

> be looked upon as the " trained chimps " so long as we fail to

present a

> professional image. We only have one chance to make a first

impression, and a

> sloppily written report full of misspellings does not inspire

confidence in the

> physician reading the report.

>

> While I realize that not everyone has the same level of education

that some

> of us do, there's no excuse not to improve your language, even if

it's just

> through reading. Strunk & White's " Elements of Style " is a great

place to

> find some basic grammatical and stylistic advice. Regardless,

reading

> voraciously is the sine qua non of methods to obtain a complete,

literate command of

> the English language.

>

> Best regards,

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Attorney at Law/Emergency Medical Technician

> Austin, Texas

Guest guest
Posted

Mr. Ogilvie,

I was also disturbed by Mr. Thacker " s seeming lack of basic English

grammatical abilities, but that is not the thing which disturbs me

most about his message.

Since moving to Texas and discovering this wonderful email list I

have read Dr. Bledsoe's comments with interest. I've become

convinced that he is very interested, if not obsessed with seeing

EMS become something more than what it is today. He uses wit, humor,

sarcasm, sometimes scathing criticism, and wisdom to encourage us to

be better. I like that. I've read and researched Dr. Bledsoe's

comments on CISM, on helicopter triage, and some of the

other " myths " . I have never once seen him offer an " all or none "

situation. He always leaves alternatives.

I've also seen Mr. Thacker and a few dozen others post not-so-smart

messages to the list. They fail to understand that Dr. Bledsoe is

not claiming all helicopter use is bad – only that the way we do it

now is not as good as it could be. Dr. Bledsoe never said people

involved in psychologically traumatic situations didn't require some

kind of support – only that some of them might not, and that CISM is

psycho-babble that couldn't, didn't and would never work. There are

alternatives which can/do work. There are better ways to do things.

I would encourage Mr. Thacker, and all others with that particular

mindset to use the one tool Dr. Bledsoe has time and again exhorted

us to use – critical thinking. Whether a personh can or cannot

compose a grammatically correct sentence or report is far less

important than simply learning to think critically, don't you agree?

--

>

>

> While the email was not directed at me, I'll take offense to the

lack of

> spell-check and grammar check before posting this in a public

forum and to a

> respected physician in particular.

>

> One of the reasons that I believe we are not respected by our

fellow

> healthcare professionals is because so many of us in EMS fail to

communicate

> clearly, whether by a lack of vocabulary or atrocious written

language. Rightly or

> wrongly, no matter how much we excel at prehospital medicine, we

will always

> be looked upon as the " trained chimps " so long as we fail to

present a

> professional image. We only have one chance to make a first

impression, and a

> sloppily written report full of misspellings does not inspire

confidence in the

> physician reading the report.

>

> While I realize that not everyone has the same level of education

that some

> of us do, there's no excuse not to improve your language, even if

it's just

> through reading. Strunk & White's " Elements of Style " is a great

place to

> find some basic grammatical and stylistic advice. Regardless,

reading

> voraciously is the sine qua non of methods to obtain a complete,

literate command of

> the English language.

>

> Best regards,

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Attorney at Law/Emergency Medical Technician

> Austin, Texas

Guest guest
Posted

First, I respect what you say. But, let's take this piece by piece. See

comments in your email:

Re: The List

The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my

opinion.

Dr. B

I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in

EMS and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients

and spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I

to believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is

needed to provide the proper care in a given situation.

BEB: That is great. I agree completely. Stay that way.

Have I ever started an I.V. that was not needed or used? no doubt I have.

But there has been times I needed a I.V. very bad I could not get. I have

transported a lot of Pt's to different Er's and most of the time the ER

establishes a IV ordered by the ER doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not

need to start the IV or is the hospitals starting a bunch of waisted lines

under the DR. orders or that a good paramedic can not distinguish between

what is needed and not. I have started lines for respiratory distress but

ended up not using because I was able to correct the issue with a BVM or

NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case.

BEB: Couple of things. Putting in an IV line should be done with

significant consideration. Most hospitals have policies whereby all

prehospital IV lines must be changed when the patient arrives at the floor

(for legal and hygiene reasons). Likewise, I have never seen a hospital lab

accept blood drawn in the field. Also, we are finding less and less evidence

supporting prehospital IV therapy. Lines are great for IV meds when needed.

IVs in trauma patients are probably a waste of time.

I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed

by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do

not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing

in EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not

distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is

every medic practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they

are not but that does not meen all of them are not.

You and I are saying the same thing. We need to teach paramedics to think

and make prudent decisions--not just because a protocol says so. We are

saying the same thing!

I have a friend with osteosarcoma which was diagnosed five years ago as

Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any out of the box thinking because his

family had no HX. and it has since mets. to the lungs. I call a bird when I

feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt. to the proper facility needed

not because they are pretty or neat. After 30 years if he never needed a

bird he either lived next door to a good trauma/medical facility or never

had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong

BEB: I don't quite follow you here. How can a bird expedite transport?

Diagnostic technology, like EMS, is used in stages. I am sorry your friend

was misdiagnosed, but we cannot MRI every patient we see. In fact, imaging

can be problematic. There is a new term: VOMIT (Victim of Medical Imaging

Technology). This occurs when something is seen on a CT or MRI and the

patient undergoes some procedure based on the finding only to learn that the

original thing seen was an artifact or nonconsequential. I had a patient's

husband threaten to " kick my ass " when I would not order a head-to-toe CT on

his wife-to-be. He was an ex-Army NCO. His first wife, a woman from Korea,

died from cancer and it was only diagnosed with CT. He met a new woman from

Korea and wanted to marry her. But, first he brought her to the emergency

department and wanted me to scan her from head-to-toe and tell him she was

cancer-free before he married her. Should we offer every patient with every

complaint or most complicated and expensive technology? Carrying that to its

illogical conclusion: Get rid of ambulances and strictly use Bell's new

Tilt/Rotor Osprey. Staff it with 5 doctors and a surgical team and respond

it to each call.

Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my

life to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend

or challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will

change with experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at

conference on pain management and thought you did a excellent job.

BEB: Thanks for the comments about the class at the conference. I think we

are saying more similar things than different. You are just using different

vowels and consonants and such.

Don Elbert wrote:

Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states

they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and

help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and

dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but

when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as

though they can't wait to use them again.

Discretion is the better part of patient care.

Don

>>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>>

Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the

field were I work and love them.

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons

I stay on this list is that it gives me some great

insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of

my

writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as

a

large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for

topics

and this list and others are sometimes my muse.

With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something

I

have been struggling with. Thus:

1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to

the

max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a

BVM.

Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to

cut

somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact

that

studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for

anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We

are not

happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something "

and

buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now

carrying

more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat "

and

we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar

horse

hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters

are

all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits

outweigh

the risks and costs.

2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter

pins on

their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we

believe

tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered.

Is

it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically

around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an

EMT

shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids

to

Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and

paramedics I

ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and

he

reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS

work.

In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10

flight

paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The

purpose

of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to

certain

situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for

non-critical

patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight

paramedics.

They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending

their

helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science

above

ego.

3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller

ones

are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What

would

Freud say?

4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS

for

the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS

because

we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the

infirm.

Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did

we

start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting

needles

into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a

BVM

will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a

1%

chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things

we

start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in

nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and

people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs

they

have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to

ask,

but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad

as we

used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think

it

occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good

neighbor

and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after

page on

how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good

neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes

that

all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small

percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude

ourselves

with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the

patient

when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those

actions.

5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all

wrong.

We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most

effective

modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy

to

police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In

our new

CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used

the

inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied.

Surgical

airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is

how

it should be.

6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me

two

things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT)

is

more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when

to do

something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor

the

last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and

probably

explain why I write and speak the way I do.

Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a

good

neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine

could be

handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS

skills.

That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized

skills and

paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very

much

needed for the right patient at the right time.

Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it.

BEB

I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have

NEVER had

to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO

once.

Guest guest
Posted

First, I respect what you say. But, let's take this piece by piece. See

comments in your email:

Re: The List

The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my

opinion.

Dr. B

I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in

EMS and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients

and spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I

to believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is

needed to provide the proper care in a given situation.

BEB: That is great. I agree completely. Stay that way.

Have I ever started an I.V. that was not needed or used? no doubt I have.

But there has been times I needed a I.V. very bad I could not get. I have

transported a lot of Pt's to different Er's and most of the time the ER

establishes a IV ordered by the ER doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not

need to start the IV or is the hospitals starting a bunch of waisted lines

under the DR. orders or that a good paramedic can not distinguish between

what is needed and not. I have started lines for respiratory distress but

ended up not using because I was able to correct the issue with a BVM or

NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case.

BEB: Couple of things. Putting in an IV line should be done with

significant consideration. Most hospitals have policies whereby all

prehospital IV lines must be changed when the patient arrives at the floor

(for legal and hygiene reasons). Likewise, I have never seen a hospital lab

accept blood drawn in the field. Also, we are finding less and less evidence

supporting prehospital IV therapy. Lines are great for IV meds when needed.

IVs in trauma patients are probably a waste of time.

I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed

by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do

not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing

in EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not

distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is

every medic practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they

are not but that does not meen all of them are not.

You and I are saying the same thing. We need to teach paramedics to think

and make prudent decisions--not just because a protocol says so. We are

saying the same thing!

I have a friend with osteosarcoma which was diagnosed five years ago as

Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any out of the box thinking because his

family had no HX. and it has since mets. to the lungs. I call a bird when I

feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt. to the proper facility needed

not because they are pretty or neat. After 30 years if he never needed a

bird he either lived next door to a good trauma/medical facility or never

had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong

BEB: I don't quite follow you here. How can a bird expedite transport?

Diagnostic technology, like EMS, is used in stages. I am sorry your friend

was misdiagnosed, but we cannot MRI every patient we see. In fact, imaging

can be problematic. There is a new term: VOMIT (Victim of Medical Imaging

Technology). This occurs when something is seen on a CT or MRI and the

patient undergoes some procedure based on the finding only to learn that the

original thing seen was an artifact or nonconsequential. I had a patient's

husband threaten to " kick my ass " when I would not order a head-to-toe CT on

his wife-to-be. He was an ex-Army NCO. His first wife, a woman from Korea,

died from cancer and it was only diagnosed with CT. He met a new woman from

Korea and wanted to marry her. But, first he brought her to the emergency

department and wanted me to scan her from head-to-toe and tell him she was

cancer-free before he married her. Should we offer every patient with every

complaint or most complicated and expensive technology? Carrying that to its

illogical conclusion: Get rid of ambulances and strictly use Bell's new

Tilt/Rotor Osprey. Staff it with 5 doctors and a surgical team and respond

it to each call.

Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my

life to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend

or challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will

change with experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at

conference on pain management and thought you did a excellent job.

BEB: Thanks for the comments about the class at the conference. I think we

are saying more similar things than different. You are just using different

vowels and consonants and such.

Don Elbert wrote:

Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states

they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and

help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and

dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but

when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as

though they can't wait to use them again.

Discretion is the better part of patient care.

Don

>>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>>

Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the

field were I work and love them.

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons

I stay on this list is that it gives me some great

insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of

my

writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as

a

large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for

topics

and this list and others are sometimes my muse.

With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something

I

have been struggling with. Thus:

1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to

the

max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a

BVM.

Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to

cut

somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact

that

studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for

anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We

are not

happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something "

and

buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now

carrying

more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat "

and

we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar

horse

hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters

are

all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits

outweigh

the risks and costs.

2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter

pins on

their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we

believe

tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered.

Is

it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically

around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an

EMT

shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids

to

Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and

paramedics I

ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and

he

reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS

work.

In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10

flight

paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The

purpose

of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to

certain

situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for

non-critical

patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight

paramedics.

They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending

their

helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science

above

ego.

3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller

ones

are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What

would

Freud say?

4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS

for

the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS

because

we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the

infirm.

Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did

we

start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting

needles

into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a

BVM

will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a

1%

chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things

we

start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in

nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and

people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs

they

have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to

ask,

but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad

as we

used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think

it

occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good

neighbor

and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after

page on

how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good

neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes

that

all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small

percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude

ourselves

with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the

patient

when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those

actions.

5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all

wrong.

We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most

effective

modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy

to

police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In

our new

CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used

the

inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied.

Surgical

airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is

how

it should be.

6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me

two

things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT)

is

more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when

to do

something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor

the

last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and

probably

explain why I write and speak the way I do.

Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a

good

neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine

could be

handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS

skills.

That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized

skills and

paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very

much

needed for the right patient at the right time.

Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it.

BEB

I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have

NEVER had

to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO

once.

Guest guest
Posted

I want challenge your very simple attack on my grammar since I know I need

much help in this field. I spend probably more time reading medically related

material than I do books on the proper use of the English language... Can you

say the same? From your response, I would have to think, probably not.... My

personal advise to you would be to pursue your EMS career beyond that which you

possess before passing judgement on those that are in a position to make

decisions well beyond your skill level. When you are on a truck and you have a

person's life or death in your hands, beyond whatever level you hold, you will

have accomplished something. Writing a report and grammar are secondary to

providing the absolute BEST patient care within our realm to provide. Whether it

is Dr. Bledsoe or some other who doesn't understand the importance of an IV in

the field with a trauma patient, or the importance of the use of air-evacuation

in the case of over an hour away from a trauma center or the

infinite benefit of CISM to people who have actually practiced a situation

beyond their psychological capabilities, that is up to the decision of the medic

on the call.... Not someone on some list-server to speculate about. Instead of

being coaxed into another person's way of thinking, regardless of how much

research you have done on that person, you would be better off making a decision

of your own..... A weak person follows, a strong person leads.... And either way

is an individual opinion... How was my grammar this post?????

simple_emt wrote:

Mr. Ogilvie,

I was also disturbed by Mr. Thacker " s seeming lack of basic English

grammatical abilities, but that is not the thing which disturbs me

most about his message.

Since moving to Texas and discovering this wonderful email list I

have read Dr. Bledsoe's comments with interest. I've become

convinced that he is very interested, if not obsessed with seeing

EMS become something more than what it is today. He uses wit, humor,

sarcasm, sometimes scathing criticism, and wisdom to encourage us to

be better. I like that. I've read and researched Dr. Bledsoe's

comments on CISM, on helicopter triage, and some of the

other " myths " . I have never once seen him offer an " all or none "

situation. He always leaves alternatives.

I've also seen Mr. Thacker and a few dozen others post not-so-smart

messages to the list. They fail to understand that Dr. Bledsoe is

not claiming all helicopter use is bad – only that the way we do it

now is not as good as it could be. Dr. Bledsoe never said people

involved in psychologically traumatic situations didn't require some

kind of support – only that some of them might not, and that CISM is

psycho-babble that couldn't, didn't and would never work. There are

alternatives which can/do work. There are better ways to do things.

I would encourage Mr. Thacker, and all others with that particular

mindset to use the one tool Dr. Bledsoe has time and again exhorted

us to use – critical thinking. Whether a personh can or cannot

compose a grammatically correct sentence or report is far less

important than simply learning to think critically, don't you agree?

--

>

>

> While the email was not directed at me, I'll take offense to the

lack of

> spell-check and grammar check before posting this in a public

forum and to a

> respected physician in particular.

>

> One of the reasons that I believe we are not respected by our

fellow

> healthcare professionals is because so many of us in EMS fail to

communicate

> clearly, whether by a lack of vocabulary or atrocious written

language. Rightly or

> wrongly, no matter how much we excel at prehospital medicine, we

will always

> be looked upon as the " trained chimps " so long as we fail to

present a

> professional image. We only have one chance to make a first

impression, and a

> sloppily written report full of misspellings does not inspire

confidence in the

> physician reading the report.

>

> While I realize that not everyone has the same level of education

that some

> of us do, there's no excuse not to improve your language, even if

it's just

> through reading. Strunk & White's " Elements of Style " is a great

place to

> find some basic grammatical and stylistic advice. Regardless,

reading

> voraciously is the sine qua non of methods to obtain a complete,

literate command of

> the English language.

>

> Best regards,

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Attorney at Law/Emergency Medical Technician

> Austin, Texas

Guest guest
Posted

>

>

>

Mr. Thacker,

I have no intention of addressing your rather

interestin message on the list, but I will write you

off-list.

--

__________________________________________________

Guest guest
Posted

I joined this list several years ago, mostly as a lurker and

occasionally participating in a debate. I have read most of Dr.

Bledsoe's comments with great interest. Many times I have been angered,

perplexed and confused by his thinking. Sometimes I really wondered if

he fell off of his rocker. No offense Doc but you really turned upside

down some of the things that I was taught 20 something years ago.

It took some time but I believe that the fog of adrenalin that brought

me into this profession perhaps blinded me to the science or better yet

the lack of science behind many of the things we do. Early on in my

career those one hour lectures from the " been there seen it all guy "

were the unquestioned standard of care. We don't need any stinkin

science. Now that the fog has lifted I can truly say that the view

isn't always pretty.

If we continue to run our systems using the unproven dogma of the last

generation we will one day been seen in the same light as the snake oil

salesmen of our parents or grandparents day. Or maybe the infomercial

guy on TV who can cure anything.

One thing that I will have to say is that Dr. Bledsoe has challenged my

view of where EMS is and where it needs to be. I still may not agree

with everything that he says but staying where we are today will only

hasten our decent to extinction. The lack of evidence and the " dam the

science just git er done " mentality will truly be our undoing.

Change is painful but doing nothing can be fatal.

AJL

Guest guest
Posted

I think that to be or remain on this list you need to have at least a little

passion for EMS if not a lot...

Alan Lambert wrote: I joined this list several years ago,

mostly as a lurker and

occasionally participating in a debate. I have read most of Dr.

Bledsoe's comments with great interest. Many times I have been angered,

perplexed and confused by his thinking. Sometimes I really wondered if

he fell off of his rocker. No offense Doc but you really turned upside

down some of the things that I was taught 20 something years ago.

It took some time but I believe that the fog of adrenalin that brought

me into this profession perhaps blinded me to the science or better yet

the lack of science behind many of the things we do. Early on in my

career those one hour lectures from the " been there seen it all guy "

were the unquestioned standard of care. We don't need any stinkin

science. Now that the fog has lifted I can truly say that the view

isn't always pretty.

If we continue to run our systems using the unproven dogma of the last

generation we will one day been seen in the same light as the snake oil

salesmen of our parents or grandparents day. Or maybe the infomercial

guy on TV who can cure anything.

One thing that I will have to say is that Dr. Bledsoe has challenged my

view of where EMS is and where it needs to be. I still may not agree

with everything that he says but staying where we are today will only

hasten our decent to extinction. The lack of evidence and the " dam the

science just git er done " mentality will truly be our undoing.

Change is painful but doing nothing can be fatal.

AJL

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