Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 While the email was not directed at me, I'll take offense to the lack of spell-check and grammar check before posting this in a public forum and to a respected physician in particular. One of the reasons that I believe we are not respected by our fellow healthcare professionals is because so many of us in EMS fail to communicate clearly, whether by a lack of vocabulary or atrocious written language. Rightly or wrongly, no matter how much we excel at prehospital medicine, we will always be looked upon as the " trained chimps " so long as we fail to present a professional image. We only have one chance to make a first impression, and a sloppily written report full of misspellings does not inspire confidence in the physician reading the report. While I realize that not everyone has the same level of education that some of us do, there's no excuse not to improve your language, even if it's just through reading. Strunk & White's " Elements of Style " is a great place to find some basic grammatical and stylistic advice. Regardless, reading voraciously is the sine qua non of methods to obtain a complete, literate command of the English language. Best regards, -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Attorney at Law/Emergency Medical Technician Austin, Texas In a message dated 3/2/2006 4:25:40 PM Central Standard Time, bentemt2003@... writes: The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my opinion. Dr. B I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in EMS and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients and spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I to believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is needed to provide the proper care in a given situation. Have I ever started an I.V. that was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been times I needed a I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of Pt's to different Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered by the ER doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or is the hospitals starting a bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or that a good paramedic can not distinguish between what is needed and not. I have started lines for respiratory distress but ended up not using because I was able to correct the issue with a BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case. I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing in EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is every medic practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they are not but that does not meen all of them are not. I have a friend with osteosarcoma which was diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any out of the box thinking because his family had no HX. and it has since mets. to the lungs. I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt. to the proper facility needed not because they are pretty or neat. After 30 years if he never needed a bird he either lived next door to a good trauma/medical facility or never had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong facility. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my life to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend or challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will change with experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at conference on pain management and thought you did a excellent job. Don Elbert wrote: Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as though they can't wait to use them again. Discretion is the better part of patient care. Don >>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>> Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the field were I work and love them. " Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons I stay on this list is that it gives me some great insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of my writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as a large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for topics and this list and others are sometimes my muse. With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something I have been struggling with. Thus: 1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to the max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a BVM. Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to cut somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact that studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We are not happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something " and buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now carrying more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat " and we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar horse hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters are all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits outweigh the risks and costs. 2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter pins on their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we believe tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered. Is it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an EMT shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids to Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and paramedics I ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and he reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS work. In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10 flight paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The purpose of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to certain situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for non-critical patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight paramedics. They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending their helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science above ego. 3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller ones are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What would Freud say? 4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS for the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS because we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the infirm. Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did we start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting needles into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a BVM will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a 1% chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things we start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs they have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to ask, but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad as we used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think it occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good neighbor and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after page on how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes that all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude ourselves with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the patient when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those actions. 5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all wrong. We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most effective modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy to police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In our new CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used the inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied. Surgical airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is how it should be. 6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me two things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT) is more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when to do something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor the last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and probably explain why I write and speak the way I do. Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a good neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine could be handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS skills. That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized skills and paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very much needed for the right patient at the right time. Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it. BEB I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have NEVER had to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO once. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 While the email was not directed at me, I'll take offense to the lack of spell-check and grammar check before posting this in a public forum and to a respected physician in particular. One of the reasons that I believe we are not respected by our fellow healthcare professionals is because so many of us in EMS fail to communicate clearly, whether by a lack of vocabulary or atrocious written language. Rightly or wrongly, no matter how much we excel at prehospital medicine, we will always be looked upon as the " trained chimps " so long as we fail to present a professional image. We only have one chance to make a first impression, and a sloppily written report full of misspellings does not inspire confidence in the physician reading the report. While I realize that not everyone has the same level of education that some of us do, there's no excuse not to improve your language, even if it's just through reading. Strunk & White's " Elements of Style " is a great place to find some basic grammatical and stylistic advice. Regardless, reading voraciously is the sine qua non of methods to obtain a complete, literate command of the English language. Best regards, -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B Attorney at Law/Emergency Medical Technician Austin, Texas In a message dated 3/2/2006 4:25:40 PM Central Standard Time, bentemt2003@... writes: The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my opinion. Dr. B I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in EMS and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients and spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I to believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is needed to provide the proper care in a given situation. Have I ever started an I.V. that was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been times I needed a I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of Pt's to different Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered by the ER doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or is the hospitals starting a bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or that a good paramedic can not distinguish between what is needed and not. I have started lines for respiratory distress but ended up not using because I was able to correct the issue with a BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case. I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing in EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is every medic practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they are not but that does not meen all of them are not. I have a friend with osteosarcoma which was diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any out of the box thinking because his family had no HX. and it has since mets. to the lungs. I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt. to the proper facility needed not because they are pretty or neat. After 30 years if he never needed a bird he either lived next door to a good trauma/medical facility or never had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong facility. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my life to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend or challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will change with experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at conference on pain management and thought you did a excellent job. Don Elbert wrote: Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as though they can't wait to use them again. Discretion is the better part of patient care. Don >>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>> Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the field were I work and love them. " Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons I stay on this list is that it gives me some great insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of my writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as a large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for topics and this list and others are sometimes my muse. With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something I have been struggling with. Thus: 1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to the max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a BVM. Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to cut somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact that studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We are not happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something " and buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now carrying more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat " and we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar horse hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters are all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits outweigh the risks and costs. 2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter pins on their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we believe tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered. Is it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an EMT shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids to Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and paramedics I ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and he reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS work. In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10 flight paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The purpose of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to certain situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for non-critical patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight paramedics. They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending their helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science above ego. 3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller ones are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What would Freud say? 4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS for the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS because we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the infirm. Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did we start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting needles into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a BVM will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a 1% chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things we start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs they have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to ask, but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad as we used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think it occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good neighbor and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after page on how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes that all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude ourselves with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the patient when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those actions. 5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all wrong. We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most effective modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy to police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In our new CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used the inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied. Surgical airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is how it should be. 6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me two things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT) is more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when to do something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor the last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and probably explain why I write and speak the way I do. Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a good neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine could be handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS skills. That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized skills and paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very much needed for the right patient at the right time. Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it. BEB I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have NEVER had to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO once. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 In a message dated 02-Mar-06 12:54:13 Central Standard Time, bbledsoe@... writes: 6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me two things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT) is more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when to do something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor the last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and probably explain why I write and speak the way I do. One of my professors also pointed out that there is an irrevocable minimum that you do for the patient... He quoted the figure of about 75% of all activities on/to/about the patient....everything else we do is for ourselves...so that we can look ourselves in the mirror and shave in the morning. One of the things that I am learning very rapidly in my new job in Urgent Care is that most folks need a certain amount of explanation about what to expect, and a minimum of medications to make them feel a bit better...and the doc doesn't need to spend hours of his time and thousands of dollars of the patient's money to confirm that, yes, indeed, it is the flu...the percentage that I am having to do for my comfort is dropping rapidly, even as I am learning new ways to keep people at home and out of the hospital. Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a good neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine could be handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS skills. That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized skills and paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very much needed for the right patient at the right time. Agreed...and the funny part about that 90%? How often does a 'real EP' get to do the other 10%? From what I'm seeing here in the big city, there are now specialty teams to handle chest pain, trauma, evolving stroke, emergent child birth, and really really sick kids....which makes up most of that 10% that the average family doc can't handle... ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP Quote
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 In a message dated 02-Mar-06 12:54:13 Central Standard Time, bbledsoe@... writes: 6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me two things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT) is more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when to do something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor the last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and probably explain why I write and speak the way I do. One of my professors also pointed out that there is an irrevocable minimum that you do for the patient... He quoted the figure of about 75% of all activities on/to/about the patient....everything else we do is for ourselves...so that we can look ourselves in the mirror and shave in the morning. One of the things that I am learning very rapidly in my new job in Urgent Care is that most folks need a certain amount of explanation about what to expect, and a minimum of medications to make them feel a bit better...and the doc doesn't need to spend hours of his time and thousands of dollars of the patient's money to confirm that, yes, indeed, it is the flu...the percentage that I am having to do for my comfort is dropping rapidly, even as I am learning new ways to keep people at home and out of the hospital. Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a good neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine could be handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS skills. That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized skills and paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very much needed for the right patient at the right time. Agreed...and the funny part about that 90%? How often does a 'real EP' get to do the other 10%? From what I'm seeing here in the big city, there are now specialty teams to handle chest pain, trauma, evolving stroke, emergent child birth, and really really sick kids....which makes up most of that 10% that the average family doc can't handle... ck S. Krin, DO FAAFP Quote
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my opinion. Dr. B I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in EMS and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients and spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I to believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is needed to provide the proper care in a given situation. Have I ever started an I.V. that was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been times I needed a I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of Pt's to different Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered by the ER doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or is the hospitals starting a bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or that a good paramedic can not distinguish between what is needed and not. I have started lines for respiratory distress but ended up not using because I was able to correct the issue with a BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case. I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing in EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is every medic practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they are not but that does not meen all of them are not. I have a friend with osteosarcoma which was diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any out of the box thinking because his family had no HX. and it has since mets. to the lungs. I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt. to the proper facility needed not because they are pretty or neat. After 30 years if he never needed a bird he either lived next door to a good trauma/medical facility or never had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong facility. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my life to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend or challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will change with experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at conference on pain management and thought you did a excellent job. Don Elbert wrote: Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as though they can't wait to use them again. Discretion is the better part of patient care. Don >>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>> Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the field were I work and love them. " Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons I stay on this list is that it gives me some great insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of my writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as a large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for topics and this list and others are sometimes my muse. With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something I have been struggling with. Thus: 1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to the max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a BVM. Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to cut somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact that studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We are not happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something " and buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now carrying more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat " and we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar horse hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters are all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits outweigh the risks and costs. 2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter pins on their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we believe tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered. Is it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an EMT shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids to Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and paramedics I ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and he reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS work. In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10 flight paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The purpose of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to certain situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for non-critical patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight paramedics. They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending their helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science above ego. 3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller ones are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What would Freud say? 4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS for the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS because we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the infirm. Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did we start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting needles into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a BVM will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a 1% chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things we start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs they have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to ask, but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad as we used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think it occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good neighbor and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after page on how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes that all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude ourselves with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the patient when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those actions. 5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all wrong. We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most effective modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy to police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In our new CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used the inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied. Surgical airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is how it should be. 6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me two things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT) is more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when to do something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor the last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and probably explain why I write and speak the way I do. Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a good neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine could be handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS skills. That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized skills and paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very much needed for the right patient at the right time. Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it. BEB I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have NEVER had to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO once. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my opinion. Dr. B I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in EMS and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients and spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I to believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is needed to provide the proper care in a given situation. Have I ever started an I.V. that was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been times I needed a I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of Pt's to different Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered by the ER doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or is the hospitals starting a bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or that a good paramedic can not distinguish between what is needed and not. I have started lines for respiratory distress but ended up not using because I was able to correct the issue with a BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case. I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing in EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is every medic practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they are not but that does not meen all of them are not. I have a friend with osteosarcoma which was diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any out of the box thinking because his family had no HX. and it has since mets. to the lungs. I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt. to the proper facility needed not because they are pretty or neat. After 30 years if he never needed a bird he either lived next door to a good trauma/medical facility or never had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong facility. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my life to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend or challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will change with experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at conference on pain management and thought you did a excellent job. Don Elbert wrote: Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as though they can't wait to use them again. Discretion is the better part of patient care. Don >>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>> Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the field were I work and love them. " Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons I stay on this list is that it gives me some great insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of my writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as a large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for topics and this list and others are sometimes my muse. With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something I have been struggling with. Thus: 1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to the max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a BVM. Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to cut somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact that studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We are not happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something " and buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now carrying more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat " and we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar horse hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters are all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits outweigh the risks and costs. 2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter pins on their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we believe tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered. Is it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an EMT shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids to Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and paramedics I ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and he reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS work. In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10 flight paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The purpose of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to certain situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for non-critical patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight paramedics. They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending their helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science above ego. 3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller ones are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What would Freud say? 4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS for the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS because we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the infirm. Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did we start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting needles into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a BVM will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a 1% chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things we start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs they have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to ask, but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad as we used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think it occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good neighbor and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after page on how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes that all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude ourselves with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the patient when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those actions. 5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all wrong. We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most effective modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy to police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In our new CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used the inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied. Surgical airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is how it should be. 6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me two things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT) is more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when to do something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor the last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and probably explain why I write and speak the way I do. Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a good neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine could be handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS skills. That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized skills and paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very much needed for the right patient at the right time. Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it. BEB I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have NEVER had to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO once. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 Couldn't of said it better my self! Way to go ben thacker -- Re: The List The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my opinion. Dr. B I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in EMS and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients and spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I to believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is needed to provide the proper care in a given situation. Have I ever started an I.V. that was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been times I needed a I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of Pt's to different Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered by the ER doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or is the hospitals starting a bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or that a good paramedic can not distinguish between what is needed and not. I have started lines for respiratory distress but ended up not using because I was able to correct the issue with a BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case. I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing in EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is every medic practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they are not but that does not meen all of them are not. I have a friend with osteosarcoma which was diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any out of the box thinking because his family had no HX. and it has since mets. to the lungs. I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt. to the proper facility needed not because they are pretty or neat. After 30 years if he never needed a bird he either lived next door to a good trauma/medical facility or never had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong facility. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my life to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend or challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will change with experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at conference on pain management and thought you did a excellent job. Don Elbert wrote: Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as though they can't wait to use them again. Discretion is the better part of patient care. Don >>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>> Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the field were I work and love them. " Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons I stay on this list is that it gives me some great insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of my writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as a large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for topics and this list and others are sometimes my muse. With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something I have been struggling with. Thus: 1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to the max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a BVM. Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to cut somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact that studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We are not happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something " and buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now carrying more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat " and we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar horse hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters are all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits outweigh the risks and costs. 2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter pins on their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we believe tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered. Is it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an EMT shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids to Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and paramedics I ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and he reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS work. In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10 flight paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The purpose of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to certain situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for non-critical patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight paramedics. They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending their helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science above ego. 3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller ones are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What would Freud say? 4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS for the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS because we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the infirm. Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did we start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting needles into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a BVM will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a 1% chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things we start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs they have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to ask, but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad as we used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think it occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good neighbor and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after page on how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes that all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude ourselves with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the patient when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those actions. 5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all wrong. We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most effective modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy to police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In our new CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used the inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied. Surgical airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is how it should be. 6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me two things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT) is more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when to do something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor the last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and probably explain why I write and speak the way I do. Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a good neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine could be handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS skills. That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized skills and paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very much needed for the right patient at the right time. Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it. BEB I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have NEVER had to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO once. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 Couldn't of said it better my self! Way to go ben thacker -- Re: The List The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my opinion. Dr. B I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in EMS and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients and spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I to believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is needed to provide the proper care in a given situation. Have I ever started an I.V. that was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been times I needed a I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of Pt's to different Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered by the ER doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or is the hospitals starting a bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or that a good paramedic can not distinguish between what is needed and not. I have started lines for respiratory distress but ended up not using because I was able to correct the issue with a BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case. I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing in EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is every medic practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they are not but that does not meen all of them are not. I have a friend with osteosarcoma which was diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any out of the box thinking because his family had no HX. and it has since mets. to the lungs. I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt. to the proper facility needed not because they are pretty or neat. After 30 years if he never needed a bird he either lived next door to a good trauma/medical facility or never had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong facility. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my life to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend or challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will change with experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at conference on pain management and thought you did a excellent job. Don Elbert wrote: Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as though they can't wait to use them again. Discretion is the better part of patient care. Don >>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>> Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the field were I work and love them. " Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons I stay on this list is that it gives me some great insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of my writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as a large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for topics and this list and others are sometimes my muse. With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something I have been struggling with. Thus: 1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to the max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a BVM. Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to cut somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact that studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We are not happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something " and buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now carrying more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat " and we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar horse hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters are all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits outweigh the risks and costs. 2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter pins on their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we believe tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered. Is it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an EMT shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids to Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and paramedics I ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and he reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS work. In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10 flight paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The purpose of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to certain situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for non-critical patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight paramedics. They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending their helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science above ego. 3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller ones are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What would Freud say? 4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS for the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS because we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the infirm. Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did we start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting needles into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a BVM will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a 1% chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things we start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs they have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to ask, but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad as we used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think it occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good neighbor and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after page on how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes that all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude ourselves with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the patient when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those actions. 5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all wrong. We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most effective modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy to police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In our new CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used the inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied. Surgical airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is how it should be. 6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me two things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT) is more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when to do something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor the last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and probably explain why I write and speak the way I do. Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a good neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine could be handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS skills. That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized skills and paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very much needed for the right patient at the right time. Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it. BEB I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have NEVER had to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO once. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 Mr. Ogilvie, I was also disturbed by Mr. Thacker " s seeming lack of basic English grammatical abilities, but that is not the thing which disturbs me most about his message. Since moving to Texas and discovering this wonderful email list I have read Dr. Bledsoe's comments with interest. I've become convinced that he is very interested, if not obsessed with seeing EMS become something more than what it is today. He uses wit, humor, sarcasm, sometimes scathing criticism, and wisdom to encourage us to be better. I like that. I've read and researched Dr. Bledsoe's comments on CISM, on helicopter triage, and some of the other " myths " . I have never once seen him offer an " all or none " situation. He always leaves alternatives. I've also seen Mr. Thacker and a few dozen others post not-so-smart messages to the list. They fail to understand that Dr. Bledsoe is not claiming all helicopter use is bad – only that the way we do it now is not as good as it could be. Dr. Bledsoe never said people involved in psychologically traumatic situations didn't require some kind of support – only that some of them might not, and that CISM is psycho-babble that couldn't, didn't and would never work. There are alternatives which can/do work. There are better ways to do things. I would encourage Mr. Thacker, and all others with that particular mindset to use the one tool Dr. Bledsoe has time and again exhorted us to use – critical thinking. Whether a personh can or cannot compose a grammatically correct sentence or report is far less important than simply learning to think critically, don't you agree? -- > > > While the email was not directed at me, I'll take offense to the lack of > spell-check and grammar check before posting this in a public forum and to a > respected physician in particular. > > One of the reasons that I believe we are not respected by our fellow > healthcare professionals is because so many of us in EMS fail to communicate > clearly, whether by a lack of vocabulary or atrocious written language. Rightly or > wrongly, no matter how much we excel at prehospital medicine, we will always > be looked upon as the " trained chimps " so long as we fail to present a > professional image. We only have one chance to make a first impression, and a > sloppily written report full of misspellings does not inspire confidence in the > physician reading the report. > > While I realize that not everyone has the same level of education that some > of us do, there's no excuse not to improve your language, even if it's just > through reading. Strunk & White's " Elements of Style " is a great place to > find some basic grammatical and stylistic advice. Regardless, reading > voraciously is the sine qua non of methods to obtain a complete, literate command of > the English language. > > Best regards, > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B > Attorney at Law/Emergency Medical Technician > Austin, Texas Quote
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 Mr. Ogilvie, I was also disturbed by Mr. Thacker " s seeming lack of basic English grammatical abilities, but that is not the thing which disturbs me most about his message. Since moving to Texas and discovering this wonderful email list I have read Dr. Bledsoe's comments with interest. I've become convinced that he is very interested, if not obsessed with seeing EMS become something more than what it is today. He uses wit, humor, sarcasm, sometimes scathing criticism, and wisdom to encourage us to be better. I like that. I've read and researched Dr. Bledsoe's comments on CISM, on helicopter triage, and some of the other " myths " . I have never once seen him offer an " all or none " situation. He always leaves alternatives. I've also seen Mr. Thacker and a few dozen others post not-so-smart messages to the list. They fail to understand that Dr. Bledsoe is not claiming all helicopter use is bad – only that the way we do it now is not as good as it could be. Dr. Bledsoe never said people involved in psychologically traumatic situations didn't require some kind of support – only that some of them might not, and that CISM is psycho-babble that couldn't, didn't and would never work. There are alternatives which can/do work. There are better ways to do things. I would encourage Mr. Thacker, and all others with that particular mindset to use the one tool Dr. Bledsoe has time and again exhorted us to use – critical thinking. Whether a personh can or cannot compose a grammatically correct sentence or report is far less important than simply learning to think critically, don't you agree? -- > > > While the email was not directed at me, I'll take offense to the lack of > spell-check and grammar check before posting this in a public forum and to a > respected physician in particular. > > One of the reasons that I believe we are not respected by our fellow > healthcare professionals is because so many of us in EMS fail to communicate > clearly, whether by a lack of vocabulary or atrocious written language. Rightly or > wrongly, no matter how much we excel at prehospital medicine, we will always > be looked upon as the " trained chimps " so long as we fail to present a > professional image. We only have one chance to make a first impression, and a > sloppily written report full of misspellings does not inspire confidence in the > physician reading the report. > > While I realize that not everyone has the same level of education that some > of us do, there's no excuse not to improve your language, even if it's just > through reading. Strunk & White's " Elements of Style " is a great place to > find some basic grammatical and stylistic advice. Regardless, reading > voraciously is the sine qua non of methods to obtain a complete, literate command of > the English language. > > Best regards, > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B > Attorney at Law/Emergency Medical Technician > Austin, Texas Quote
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 First, I respect what you say. But, let's take this piece by piece. See comments in your email: Re: The List The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my opinion. Dr. B I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in EMS and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients and spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I to believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is needed to provide the proper care in a given situation. BEB: That is great. I agree completely. Stay that way. Have I ever started an I.V. that was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been times I needed a I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of Pt's to different Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered by the ER doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or is the hospitals starting a bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or that a good paramedic can not distinguish between what is needed and not. I have started lines for respiratory distress but ended up not using because I was able to correct the issue with a BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case. BEB: Couple of things. Putting in an IV line should be done with significant consideration. Most hospitals have policies whereby all prehospital IV lines must be changed when the patient arrives at the floor (for legal and hygiene reasons). Likewise, I have never seen a hospital lab accept blood drawn in the field. Also, we are finding less and less evidence supporting prehospital IV therapy. Lines are great for IV meds when needed. IVs in trauma patients are probably a waste of time. I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing in EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is every medic practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they are not but that does not meen all of them are not. You and I are saying the same thing. We need to teach paramedics to think and make prudent decisions--not just because a protocol says so. We are saying the same thing! I have a friend with osteosarcoma which was diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any out of the box thinking because his family had no HX. and it has since mets. to the lungs. I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt. to the proper facility needed not because they are pretty or neat. After 30 years if he never needed a bird he either lived next door to a good trauma/medical facility or never had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong BEB: I don't quite follow you here. How can a bird expedite transport? Diagnostic technology, like EMS, is used in stages. I am sorry your friend was misdiagnosed, but we cannot MRI every patient we see. In fact, imaging can be problematic. There is a new term: VOMIT (Victim of Medical Imaging Technology). This occurs when something is seen on a CT or MRI and the patient undergoes some procedure based on the finding only to learn that the original thing seen was an artifact or nonconsequential. I had a patient's husband threaten to " kick my ass " when I would not order a head-to-toe CT on his wife-to-be. He was an ex-Army NCO. His first wife, a woman from Korea, died from cancer and it was only diagnosed with CT. He met a new woman from Korea and wanted to marry her. But, first he brought her to the emergency department and wanted me to scan her from head-to-toe and tell him she was cancer-free before he married her. Should we offer every patient with every complaint or most complicated and expensive technology? Carrying that to its illogical conclusion: Get rid of ambulances and strictly use Bell's new Tilt/Rotor Osprey. Staff it with 5 doctors and a surgical team and respond it to each call. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my life to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend or challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will change with experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at conference on pain management and thought you did a excellent job. BEB: Thanks for the comments about the class at the conference. I think we are saying more similar things than different. You are just using different vowels and consonants and such. Don Elbert wrote: Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as though they can't wait to use them again. Discretion is the better part of patient care. Don >>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>> Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the field were I work and love them. " Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons I stay on this list is that it gives me some great insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of my writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as a large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for topics and this list and others are sometimes my muse. With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something I have been struggling with. Thus: 1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to the max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a BVM. Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to cut somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact that studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We are not happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something " and buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now carrying more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat " and we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar horse hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters are all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits outweigh the risks and costs. 2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter pins on their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we believe tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered. Is it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an EMT shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids to Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and paramedics I ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and he reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS work. In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10 flight paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The purpose of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to certain situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for non-critical patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight paramedics. They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending their helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science above ego. 3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller ones are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What would Freud say? 4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS for the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS because we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the infirm. Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did we start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting needles into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a BVM will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a 1% chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things we start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs they have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to ask, but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad as we used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think it occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good neighbor and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after page on how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes that all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude ourselves with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the patient when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those actions. 5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all wrong. We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most effective modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy to police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In our new CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used the inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied. Surgical airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is how it should be. 6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me two things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT) is more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when to do something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor the last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and probably explain why I write and speak the way I do. Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a good neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine could be handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS skills. That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized skills and paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very much needed for the right patient at the right time. Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it. BEB I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have NEVER had to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO once. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 First, I respect what you say. But, let's take this piece by piece. See comments in your email: Re: The List The below is not intended to offend but if it does I can not change my opinion. Dr. B I take accept ion to the way you generalize EMS providers. I am new in EMS and take very much pride in the type of care that I give to my Patients and spend much of my off time reading/studying and practicing my skills. I to believe that a good Pt. assessment can provide the information that is needed to provide the proper care in a given situation. BEB: That is great. I agree completely. Stay that way. Have I ever started an I.V. that was not needed or used? no doubt I have. But there has been times I needed a I.V. very bad I could not get. I have transported a lot of Pt's to different Er's and most of the time the ER establishes a IV ordered by the ER doctor. Does that meen that EMS does not need to start the IV or is the hospitals starting a bunch of waisted lines under the DR. orders or that a good paramedic can not distinguish between what is needed and not. I have started lines for respiratory distress but ended up not using because I was able to correct the issue with a BVM or NEB. TX. ect .but i wanted the line just in case. BEB: Couple of things. Putting in an IV line should be done with significant consideration. Most hospitals have policies whereby all prehospital IV lines must be changed when the patient arrives at the floor (for legal and hygiene reasons). Likewise, I have never seen a hospital lab accept blood drawn in the field. Also, we are finding less and less evidence supporting prehospital IV therapy. Lines are great for IV meds when needed. IVs in trauma patients are probably a waste of time. I routinely pull labs when I establish IV that is really not always needed by EMS but it speeds up the process at the ER to establish a base line. I do not question your experience or knowledge as a doctor or your long standing in EMS but what I question is the perception that a good medic can not distinguish between what is needed in the field and when it is needed. Is every medic practicing good decision making in the field? no I am sure they are not but that does not meen all of them are not. You and I are saying the same thing. We need to teach paramedics to think and make prudent decisions--not just because a protocol says so. We are saying the same thing! I have a friend with osteosarcoma which was diagnosed five years ago as Bursitis without a ex-ray or MRI or any out of the box thinking because his family had no HX. and it has since mets. to the lungs. I call a bird when I feel that it is warranted to expedite my Pt. to the proper facility needed not because they are pretty or neat. After 30 years if he never needed a bird he either lived next door to a good trauma/medical facility or never had a serious Pt. or sent some to the wrong BEB: I don't quite follow you here. How can a bird expedite transport? Diagnostic technology, like EMS, is used in stages. I am sorry your friend was misdiagnosed, but we cannot MRI every patient we see. In fact, imaging can be problematic. There is a new term: VOMIT (Victim of Medical Imaging Technology). This occurs when something is seen on a CT or MRI and the patient undergoes some procedure based on the finding only to learn that the original thing seen was an artifact or nonconsequential. I had a patient's husband threaten to " kick my ass " when I would not order a head-to-toe CT on his wife-to-be. He was an ex-Army NCO. His first wife, a woman from Korea, died from cancer and it was only diagnosed with CT. He met a new woman from Korea and wanted to marry her. But, first he brought her to the emergency department and wanted me to scan her from head-to-toe and tell him she was cancer-free before he married her. Should we offer every patient with every complaint or most complicated and expensive technology? Carrying that to its illogical conclusion: Get rid of ambulances and strictly use Bell's new Tilt/Rotor Osprey. Staff it with 5 doctors and a surgical team and respond it to each call. Doc I am not a kid at 45 y/o and have seen a few things in my life to, so I just dont run on excitment along. This is not ment to offend or challege but to express a few of my opinions which I sure some will change with experience and time. By the was I did attend your class at conference on pain management and thought you did a excellent job. BEB: Thanks for the comments about the class at the conference. I think we are saying more similar things than different. You are just using different vowels and consonants and such. Don Elbert wrote: Not trying to be critical of ffpmintx@... but when someone states they " love them " (regarding EZIOs) I hope they mean they work well and help to provide a benefit to their patients. We all relate our likes and dislikes of equipment (and that's what ffpmintx' intention is I bet) but when a medic says I use them where I work and " love them " sounds as though they can't wait to use them again. Discretion is the better part of patient care. Don >>> ffpmintx@... 03/02/06 1:03 PM >>> Hey Dr Bledsoe what do you think about the EZIO? We use them in the field were I work and love them. " Bledsoe, DO " wrote: One of the reasons I stay on this list is that it gives me some great insight into the world of Texas EMS and it gives me ideas for some of my writing. I have a contract to do a monthly feature in JEMS as well as a large quarterly article (JEMS Grand Rounds). I am always looking for topics and this list and others are sometimes my muse. With his last post, Wes has helped be crystallize in my mind something I have been struggling with. Thus: 1. What is it in EMS providers that we have to do everything to the max-balls to the wall? We are not happy ventilating a patient with a BVM. Instead we have to intubate them. Better yet, on " good call " we get to cut somebody's neck open. We start an IV on everybody despite the fact that studies show that less than 50% of prehospital IVs are ever used for anything. Now the trend is to put a needle into everybody's bone. We are not happy simply taking somebody to the hospital. We have to " do something " and buy technology we don't really need to " do something " . We are now carrying more people by helicopter who don't really need it because " it is neat " and we can justify it in the name of the mythical Golden Hour or similar horse hockey. ET tubes, surgical cricothyrotomies, IO lines, and helicopters are all important tools that should be applied only when the benefits outweigh the risks and costs. 2. Some pride themselves on the number of different helicopter pins on their uniform or the number of merit badge course patches which we believe tells others that we are important, save lives, and should be revered. Is it insecurity? What would Freud say? There is a guy I see periodically around the Wal-Mart in Waxahachie. He always is wearing a badge, an EMT shirt, trauma shears and a radio despite the fact he is toting 5 kids to Wal-Mart for Cheerios and Coco-Puffs. Some of the best EMTs and paramedics I ever met were the humblest. I was recently talking with Thom Dick and he reported that he had never called for a helicopter in 30+ years of EMS work. In October of this year, I sat in a hangar in Sydney with about 10 flight paramedics from NSW and the deputy commissioner who is a friend. The purpose of the meeting was to set up protocols to limit helicopter use to certain situations. They were having a doctor call the helicopter for non-critical patients. The people who initiated the meeting were the flight paramedics. They were not going to risk their lives " like the Yanks " by sending their helicopter for non-critical calls. Thus, they put logic and science above ego. 3. We are now buying bigger and bigger ambulances when the smaller ones are cheaper and work as well. Is it just macho or necessary? What would Freud say? 4. We are all deluding ourselves if we say we did not get into EMS for the excitement. We did. Don't deny that. We also all got into EMS because we genuinely like the feeling derived from helping the ill and the infirm. Thus, at what point in our careers (and this is not true for all) did we start doing things for OUR benefit and NOT THE PATIENT. Putting needles into bones, placing patients on helicopters, intubating a child when a BVM will work, immobilizing somebody on a backboard that has less than a 1% chance of a spinal injury, running " precautionary Code 3 " are things we start to do for our ego and no the benefit of patients. I have been in nearly every state in this great union and often heard war stories and people proud of the number of crichs they have done, the number of IOs they have done, or the numbers if chests they have needled. I always want to ask, but never do, is whether the patient got better. Doctors can be as bad as we used to brag about the number of times we had opened a chest. I think it occurs when we come to the realization that EMS is 90% being a good neighbor and 10% being a good technician or practitioner. We write page after page on how to be a good technician and never teach people how to be a good neighbor. Thus, when one become's disillusioned when he or she realizes that all of the crap in Dr. Bledsoe's textbooks are only used for a small percentage of patients, we start playing this mind game. We delude ourselves with the mistaken believe that we are doing " things " to help the patient when, in fact, we may be placing the patient at risk through those actions. 5. Young Attorney Ogilvie is right. We are approaching this all wrong. We should be satisfied by practicing and using the safest and most effective modality before increasing to more complicated modalities. The analogy to police and restraint is a good one and I am sure I will steal it. In our new CCP book, in the airway chapter I authored with Gene Gandy, we used the inverted pyramid to illustrate when airways should be applied. Surgical airways are at the bottom and basic positioning is at the top. That is how it should be. 6. An old Internal Medicine Professor at Texas Tech once told me two things that I follow to this day: 1. Being a good physician (or EMT) is more about knowing when not to do something as opposed to knowing when to do something and 2. Never be the first to use a new drug or procedure nor the last to give up an old one. These teachings are in my mind and probably explain why I write and speak the way I do. Being a good paramedic means that you are first a good human, then a good neighbor, and then a good EMT. Just like 90% of emergency medicine could be handled by a family practitioner, 90% of EMS can be handled with BLS skills. That is NOT saying that emergency physicians with our specialized skills and paramedics with their specialized skills are not needed. They are very much needed for the right patient at the right time. Thant's my story and I'm sticking to it. BEB I entered EMS in 1974 and graduated medical school in 1987. I have NEVER had to do a cricothyrotomy on a real patient and have only used an IO once. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 I want challenge your very simple attack on my grammar since I know I need much help in this field. I spend probably more time reading medically related material than I do books on the proper use of the English language... Can you say the same? From your response, I would have to think, probably not.... My personal advise to you would be to pursue your EMS career beyond that which you possess before passing judgement on those that are in a position to make decisions well beyond your skill level. When you are on a truck and you have a person's life or death in your hands, beyond whatever level you hold, you will have accomplished something. Writing a report and grammar are secondary to providing the absolute BEST patient care within our realm to provide. Whether it is Dr. Bledsoe or some other who doesn't understand the importance of an IV in the field with a trauma patient, or the importance of the use of air-evacuation in the case of over an hour away from a trauma center or the infinite benefit of CISM to people who have actually practiced a situation beyond their psychological capabilities, that is up to the decision of the medic on the call.... Not someone on some list-server to speculate about. Instead of being coaxed into another person's way of thinking, regardless of how much research you have done on that person, you would be better off making a decision of your own..... A weak person follows, a strong person leads.... And either way is an individual opinion... How was my grammar this post????? simple_emt wrote: Mr. Ogilvie, I was also disturbed by Mr. Thacker " s seeming lack of basic English grammatical abilities, but that is not the thing which disturbs me most about his message. Since moving to Texas and discovering this wonderful email list I have read Dr. Bledsoe's comments with interest. I've become convinced that he is very interested, if not obsessed with seeing EMS become something more than what it is today. He uses wit, humor, sarcasm, sometimes scathing criticism, and wisdom to encourage us to be better. I like that. I've read and researched Dr. Bledsoe's comments on CISM, on helicopter triage, and some of the other " myths " . I have never once seen him offer an " all or none " situation. He always leaves alternatives. I've also seen Mr. Thacker and a few dozen others post not-so-smart messages to the list. They fail to understand that Dr. Bledsoe is not claiming all helicopter use is bad – only that the way we do it now is not as good as it could be. Dr. Bledsoe never said people involved in psychologically traumatic situations didn't require some kind of support – only that some of them might not, and that CISM is psycho-babble that couldn't, didn't and would never work. There are alternatives which can/do work. There are better ways to do things. I would encourage Mr. Thacker, and all others with that particular mindset to use the one tool Dr. Bledsoe has time and again exhorted us to use – critical thinking. Whether a personh can or cannot compose a grammatically correct sentence or report is far less important than simply learning to think critically, don't you agree? -- > > > While the email was not directed at me, I'll take offense to the lack of > spell-check and grammar check before posting this in a public forum and to a > respected physician in particular. > > One of the reasons that I believe we are not respected by our fellow > healthcare professionals is because so many of us in EMS fail to communicate > clearly, whether by a lack of vocabulary or atrocious written language. Rightly or > wrongly, no matter how much we excel at prehospital medicine, we will always > be looked upon as the " trained chimps " so long as we fail to present a > professional image. We only have one chance to make a first impression, and a > sloppily written report full of misspellings does not inspire confidence in the > physician reading the report. > > While I realize that not everyone has the same level of education that some > of us do, there's no excuse not to improve your language, even if it's just > through reading. Strunk & White's " Elements of Style " is a great place to > find some basic grammatical and stylistic advice. Regardless, reading > voraciously is the sine qua non of methods to obtain a complete, literate command of > the English language. > > Best regards, > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B > Attorney at Law/Emergency Medical Technician > Austin, Texas Quote
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Posted March 3, 2006 > > > Mr. Thacker, I have no intention of addressing your rather interestin message on the list, but I will write you off-list. -- __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Posted March 3, 2006 I joined this list several years ago, mostly as a lurker and occasionally participating in a debate. I have read most of Dr. Bledsoe's comments with great interest. Many times I have been angered, perplexed and confused by his thinking. Sometimes I really wondered if he fell off of his rocker. No offense Doc but you really turned upside down some of the things that I was taught 20 something years ago. It took some time but I believe that the fog of adrenalin that brought me into this profession perhaps blinded me to the science or better yet the lack of science behind many of the things we do. Early on in my career those one hour lectures from the " been there seen it all guy " were the unquestioned standard of care. We don't need any stinkin science. Now that the fog has lifted I can truly say that the view isn't always pretty. If we continue to run our systems using the unproven dogma of the last generation we will one day been seen in the same light as the snake oil salesmen of our parents or grandparents day. Or maybe the infomercial guy on TV who can cure anything. One thing that I will have to say is that Dr. Bledsoe has challenged my view of where EMS is and where it needs to be. I still may not agree with everything that he says but staying where we are today will only hasten our decent to extinction. The lack of evidence and the " dam the science just git er done " mentality will truly be our undoing. Change is painful but doing nothing can be fatal. AJL Quote
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Posted March 3, 2006 I think that to be or remain on this list you need to have at least a little passion for EMS if not a lot... Alan Lambert wrote: I joined this list several years ago, mostly as a lurker and occasionally participating in a debate. I have read most of Dr. Bledsoe's comments with great interest. Many times I have been angered, perplexed and confused by his thinking. Sometimes I really wondered if he fell off of his rocker. No offense Doc but you really turned upside down some of the things that I was taught 20 something years ago. It took some time but I believe that the fog of adrenalin that brought me into this profession perhaps blinded me to the science or better yet the lack of science behind many of the things we do. Early on in my career those one hour lectures from the " been there seen it all guy " were the unquestioned standard of care. We don't need any stinkin science. Now that the fog has lifted I can truly say that the view isn't always pretty. If we continue to run our systems using the unproven dogma of the last generation we will one day been seen in the same light as the snake oil salesmen of our parents or grandparents day. Or maybe the infomercial guy on TV who can cure anything. One thing that I will have to say is that Dr. Bledsoe has challenged my view of where EMS is and where it needs to be. I still may not agree with everything that he says but staying where we are today will only hasten our decent to extinction. The lack of evidence and the " dam the science just git er done " mentality will truly be our undoing. Change is painful but doing nothing can be fatal. AJL Quote
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