Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 I'm not sure if this reply will be much help. I know how I would feel in your position. You yourself will know if you are doing a good job teaching. I am surprised the verdict seems to be you were unfit to teach but your " fitness " does not seem to be mentioned apart from your voice. If you want to fight then I would ask to see the results of student evaluations of your lectures. It seems you were not given adequate indication of the reason for the meeting. I would certainly want to get a support person to help. It sounds like you have been ganged up on in a totally unbalanced meeting. I don't know about your employment law but this would not be considered fair procedure in our system. I suggest fight them for your own sake - and then decide if you want to stay or leave on your own terms. from Kiwiland I'm back and want you thoughts on a dilemma... OK guys I've got a problem... Last Friday the college president where I work had me come in to " talk about some things " . When I arrived for the meeting I was ushered into a conference room and in addition to the pres my dept chair, the dean, and a person from human resources came in. I was told my job analysis evaluation had come back and I had been found unfit for the job. I was told I was to go on sick leave beginning in the fall semester and, when my leave runs out, to take medical retirement. I was told I should leave " while you still have some of your dignity intact " . I was told that students had written that I talked in a monotone and that they would skip class because my voice irritated them. I wasn't told how many complaints there had been and interestingly enough I had a student ask if I would be lecturing for one class and when I said yes she said that she was pleased because my lectures were always so interesting. Mind you, the speed is considered ok and I am still 100% intelligible but my tonal limits were considered to be enough to get rid of me. The evaluator spent 20 minutes with me and an hour and a half with the chair. I know the chair has lied about faculty being up in arms about my continued teaching and I'm sure she made it sound as if I was totally ineffective. The evaluation claims I am in denial about my ability to do the job but as I said she talked to me for 20 min and did not see me teach and did not interview anyone in the dept who has seen me teach. I have worked with this chair for 20 years and she has never seen me teach. I called several folks I trust and asked them to be brutally honest in their assessment of whether I can be effective or not. All five said I am still able to communicate adequately with one saying she was worried that I was " doing too much " and another saying she was concerned for my safety if I fell. Two of these folks have seen me teach within the past 3 months. I am so put out that I have a 6 page EEOC complaint typed out. I think I might be in good stead since I have not been counselled and will argue that having a monotonal voice that is clear and loud does not keep me from being able to lecture and to my knowledge able bodied faculty have not been terminated for talking in a monotone. Anyway I am in a quandry as to whether or not to fight this as I only planned to stay one more school year. On the other hand I am loathe to let this high handed approach slide by or to let a slip shod inaccurate evaluation stand. What do you think you'd do in the same situation and why? P.S. for those of you who have heard me speak my speech is just about the same as it was in San Diego. That is not just my opinion but is also that of the MDA doc who sees me. Lavon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Well, first of Lavon, it sure is good to hear from you again. Many of us " oldies " have wondered where you were...and missing you. Don P. made some good recommendations as far as the college installing a PA system or the possibility of using PowerPoint slides. There is no way that I could offer anything that you don't already know -- you know all the ADA " stuff " . As I recall, you have been using your power chair full-time for a couple of years now? (Maybe not if a couple of your fellow teachers expressed concern that you might fall.) I remember when we were talking at Bettie Jo and Don 's house (I think it was then) that you said you had gotten a reserved parking spot so this is certainly not something that the college has been unaware of. Last time we talked your speech was strong enough in my opinion. It does seem " strange " that your department chair would attack your continued lecturing without personally attending one of your classes. I personally, can't handle confrontation and go out of my way to avoid it but I'd be inclined to try and try leave on my own terms. But remember that the stress of all of this won't help your PLS...but you know that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Lavon, Your message really caught my attention because I am (potentially) in a very similar situation. I have taught in a small, private college for more than 24 years. I was diagnosed with PLS 5 years ago. My department and administration have (so far) been very supportive. At first it affected only my legs. I slowly progressed from using a cane, to a walker, to a scooter for getting back and forth to classes. Meanwhile, I began using a stool and teaching while seated behind the podium. This really cramped my style, because I liked to pace the room and fill up the blackboard two or three times during a lecture. Now I had to sit still and write on an overhead projector. By the time I adjusted to this arrangement, my PLS progressed to begin affecting my arms, hands, and voice. About a year ago the school installed a PA system in my classroom. I use a cordless lapel mike, which broadcasts to an amplifier set up in the corner of the room. The system is not very sleek or stylish, but it works pretty well. It allows me to project my voice to the whole room (capacity of about 55) with much less strain. (Perhaps such a system would help in your situation.) Meanwhile, my hands have become so slow that I can't write fast enough on the overhead screens to keep up with the lecture. So I have begun preparing overhead cell outlines on the computer ahead of time. As far as I know, there have been no complaints about my teaching ability, and my student evaluations are still high. In fact, I won SGA Teacher of the Year last year. I know that my speech has slowed noticeably, and I find it difficult to cover the same material in the same time as before. I try to compensate for that by putting some key points on the overhead and using a visual rather than having to repeat them orally. I'm sure the time will come when I can no longer be effective in the classroom. I just hope I will have the wisdom to see it, or that a trusted colleague will be kind enough to whisper it in my ear. Your description of your situation sounds as if you would be well within your rights to challenge your forced sick leave/medical retirement. Since you're only wanting another year yourself, I'll bet you could negotiate a compromise. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm imagining that under ADA the school is obligated to make accommodations for your disability. This could include a stool to sit on while lecturing, a PA system to help your voice be more effective, an overhead projector or computer projector for using PowerPoint, etc. Since such accommodations have not been provided, it may be that the school is legally vulnerable. I'll bet if you start talking about a challenge on these terms, it won't take the school long to offer you another year. There may also be other ways you could compensate for the monotone. Instead of relying so heavily on lecture, you could incorporate other methodologies such as dialogue, audio-visuals, etc. (I confess, I am not one who should be lecturing about not lecturing! I know I am overly dependent on lecture. But I know others who effectively use different methods.) I would encourage you not to just roll over and accept forced retirement. If you want another year, fight for it! Good luck! Don ________________________________ From: Lavon Lockwood Sent: Mon 7/5/2004 3:09 AM To: PLS-FRIENDS Subject: I'm back and want you thoughts on a dilemma... OK guys I've got a problem... Last Friday the college president where I work had me come in to " talk about some things " . When I arrived for the meeting I was ushered into a conference room and in addition to the pres my dept chair, the dean, and a person from human resources came in. I was told my job analysis evaluation had come back and I had been found unfit for the job. I was told I was to go on sick leave beginning in the fall semester and, when my leave runs out, to take medical retirement. I was told I should leave " while you still have some of your dignity intact " . I was told that students had written that I talked in a monotone and that they would skip class because my voice irritated them. I wasn't told how many complaints there had been and interestingly enough I had a student ask if I would be lecturing for one class and when I said yes she said that she was pleased because my lectures were always so interesting. Mind you, the speed is considered ok and I am still 100% intelligible but my tonal limits were considered to be enough to get rid of me. The evaluator spent 20 minutes with me and an hour and a half with the chair. I know the chair has lied about faculty being up in arms about my continued teaching and I'm sure she made it sound as if I was totally ineffective. The evaluation claims I am in denial about my ability to do the job but as I said she talked to me for 20 min and did not see me teach and did not interview anyone in the dept who has seen me teach. I have worked with this chair for 20 years and she has never seen me teach. I called several folks I trust and asked them to be brutally honest in their assessment of whether I can be effective or not. All five said I am still able to communicate adequately with one saying she was worried that I was " doing too much " and another saying she was concerned for my safety if I fell. Two of these folks have seen me teach within the past 3 months. I am so put out that I have a 6 page EEOC complaint typed out. I think I might be in good stead since I have not been counselled and will argue that having a monotonal voice that is clear and loud does not keep me from being able to lecture and to my knowledge able bodied faculty have not been terminated for talking in a monotone. Anyway I am in a quandry as to whether or not to fight this as I only planned to stay one more school year. On the other hand I am loathe to let this high handed approach slide by or to let a slip shod inaccurate evaluation stand. What do you think you'd do in the same situation and why? P.S. for those of you who have heard me speak my speech is just about the same as it was in San Diego. That is not just my opinion but is also that of the MDA doc who sees me. Lavon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Hi Lavon, It really upsets me when things like this happen. I would surely ask for them to copy the complaints and give you a copy. You have a right to them, just like doctors reports. I cant beleive that they would say to quit while you still have your dignity intact. Where do thet get off saying something like that. I would have called that some kind of harASSment. If I was you I would call someone that knows the american disability act and ask them what you can and should do. You need to ask yourself a few questions,are you wanting to stay another year for a reason? Do you want to stay because of what those jerks are saying? Is it a financial burden to quit right now? If you dont take the disability now will it be there for you in a year? I say give them a fight if that is what you want to do. If you decide to go on disability let them know that you havent lost any dignity at leaving or staying. I am just furious over this, I can only imagine what you are going through after being there for as many years as you have. I think Don has some good advice on that since you do have a disability that they should help you out in what you need to continue for a year. I wish you luck at what ever decision you make. God bless, Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Lavon, I don't usually use this type of language but HELL yes I would fight them. Jane Anne I'm back and want you thoughts on a dilemma... > OK guys I've got a problem... Last Friday the college president where I > work had me come in to " talk about some things " . When I arrived for the > meeting I was ushered into a conference room and in addition to the pres my > dept chair, the dean, and a person from human resources came in. I was > told my job analysis evaluation had come back and I had been found unfit > for the job. I was told I was to go on sick leave beginning in the fall > semester and, when my leave runs out, to take medical retirement. I was > told I should leave " while you still have some of your dignity intact " . I > was told that students had written that I talked in a monotone and that > they would skip class because my voice irritated them. I wasn't told how > many complaints there had been and interestingly enough I had a student ask > if I would be lecturing for one class and when I said yes she said that she > was pleased because my lectures were always so interesting. Mind you, the > speed is considered ok and I am still 100% intelligible but my tonal limits > were considered to be enough to get rid of me. The evaluator spent 20 > minutes with me and an hour and a half with the chair. I know the chair > has lied about faculty being up in arms about my continued teaching and I'm > sure she made it sound as if I was totally ineffective. The evaluation > claims I am in denial about my ability to do the job but as I said she > talked to me for 20 min and did not see me teach and did not interview > anyone in the dept who has seen me teach. I have worked with this chair > for 20 years and she has never seen me teach. I called several folks I > trust and asked them to be brutally honest in their assessment of whether I > can be effective or not. All five said I am still able to communicate > adequately with one saying she was worried that I was " doing too much " and > another saying she was concerned for my safety if I fell. Two of these > folks have seen me teach within the past 3 months. > > I am so put out that I have a 6 page EEOC complaint typed out. I think I > might be in good stead since I have not been counselled and will argue that > having a monotonal voice that is clear and loud does not keep me from being > able to lecture and to my knowledge able bodied faculty have not been > terminated for talking in a monotone. Anyway I am in a quandry as to > whether or not to fight this as I only planned to stay one more school > year. On the other hand I am loathe to let this high handed approach slide > by or to let a slip shod inaccurate evaluation stand. What do you think > you'd do in the same situation and why? P.S. for those of you who have > heard me speak my speech is just about the same as it was in San > Diego. That is not just my opinion but is also that of the MDA doc who > sees me. Lavon > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Fight, you have too if what you say is true. Did they ask about speech training or anything to help? If can look at yourself and know you can do the job, fight. dale I'm back and want you thoughts on a dilemma... > OK guys I've got a problem... Last Friday the college president where I > work had me come in to " talk about some things " . When I arrived for the > meeting I was ushered into a conference room and in addition to the pres my > dept chair, the dean, and a person from human resources came in. I was > told my job analysis evaluation had come back and I had been found unfit > for the job. I was told I was to go on sick leave beginning in the fall > semester and, when my leave runs out, to take medical retirement. I was > told I should leave " while you still have some of your dignity intact " . I > was told that students had written that I talked in a monotone and that > they would skip class because my voice irritated them. I wasn't told how > many complaints there had been and interestingly enough I had a student ask > if I would be lecturing for one class and when I said yes she said that she > was pleased because my lectures were always so interesting. Mind you, the > speed is considered ok and I am still 100% intelligible but my tonal limits > were considered to be enough to get rid of me. The evaluator spent 20 > minutes with me and an hour and a half with the chair. I know the chair > has lied about faculty being up in arms about my continued teaching and I'm > sure she made it sound as if I was totally ineffective. The evaluation > claims I am in denial about my ability to do the job but as I said she > talked to me for 20 min and did not see me teach and did not interview > anyone in the dept who has seen me teach. I have worked with this chair > for 20 years and she has never seen me teach. I called several folks I > trust and asked them to be brutally honest in their assessment of whether I > can be effective or not. All five said I am still able to communicate > adequately with one saying she was worried that I was " doing too much " and > another saying she was concerned for my safety if I fell. Two of these > folks have seen me teach within the past 3 months. > > I am so put out that I have a 6 page EEOC complaint typed out. I think I > might be in good stead since I have not been counselled and will argue that > having a monotonal voice that is clear and loud does not keep me from being > able to lecture and to my knowledge able bodied faculty have not been > terminated for talking in a monotone. Anyway I am in a quandry as to > whether or not to fight this as I only planned to stay one more school > year. On the other hand I am loathe to let this high handed approach slide > by or to let a slip shod inaccurate evaluation stand. What do you think > you'd do in the same situation and why? P.S. for those of you who have > heard me speak my speech is just about the same as it was in San > Diego. That is not just my opinion but is also that of the MDA doc who > sees me. Lavon > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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