Re: wired but tired

[Guest guest]

Well, the day after he was so depressed, we increased his Isocort and

his mood improved. Each time he'd be fine for a few days, then get

really depressed, and increasing Iso took care of it. We are now up

to 8 pills so have no more room to go but to HC if he doesn't

stabilize, but it looks like he is.

I thought he was stable last week and let me him try 1/4 grain, but

he got nauseous after a couple of hours, which told me he still

didn't have enough cortisol reserves, so we increased Iso again and

will try the Armour again later, hopefully this week.

Barb

> > > >

> > > > >>Okay so I'll rephrase. When one is hypoT AND hypoA, does

> > > treating just adrenals make hypoT worse or better?<<

> > > >

> > > > Neither! It will LOOK worse on the labs as when their is

enough

> > > cortisol the T3 can get into the cells so it will not all be

> > floating

> > > in the blood looking really pretty on blood tests whiel you are

> > > still very hypo. But the hypo ois no better or worse with or

> > without

> > > cortisll though without it probably feels alot worse.

> > > >

> > > I want to elaborate on Val's answer for . Only when hubby

> > > added Isocort to support adrenals did his hypo really become

> > > evident. I'd always suspected he was hypo, but with a TSH > 1,

> > > figured there was no way I was going to get a doctor to treat

> him.

> > > But once the cortisol was added, basically using up all his T3,

> > whoa,

> > > the depression (for no reason--typical symptom) hit like a

bomb.

> > > Just lays down and starts crying. What's wrong? I don't know.

So

> > > my answer is, yes, treating adrenals will make hypoT worse (or

at

> > > least more apparent).

> > >

> > > Barb

> > >

> > barb is right i feel im going thru the same thing since on cortef

> my

> > hypo.is more noticeable then before it wasnt.but we still need to

> > stabilize on our adrenal support before adding enough thyroid

right

> > barb?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry to ask so many ?'s I amjust trying to soak some of this in. Is he on

Isocort because it is not as strong as HC?

I think maybe I hit such a low a week or so ago because I was put on too high

of dose Val said of Pred. and I was told to take 1/4 HC to taper of the five

days of Pred. I felt the same as when I was severally depressed years ago. I

would never want to feel that way again.

Thanks,

a

Thanks,

a

Barb wrote:

Well, the day after he was so depressed, we increased his Isocort and

his mood improved. Each time he'd be fine for a few days, then get

really depressed, and increasing Iso took care of it. We are now up

to 8 pills so have no more room to go but to HC if he doesn't

stabilize, but it looks like he is.

I thought he was stable last week and let me him try 1/4 grain, but

he got nauseous after a couple of hours, which told me he still

didn't have enough cortisol reserves, so we increased Iso again and

will try the Armour again later, hopefully this week.

Barb

> > > >

> > > > >>Okay so I'll rephrase. When one is hypoT AND hypoA, does

> > > treating just adrenals make hypoT worse or better?<<

> > > >

> > > > Neither! It will LOOK worse on the labs as when their is

enough

> > > cortisol the T3 can get into the cells so it will not all be

> > floating

> > > in the blood looking really pretty on blood tests whiel you are

> > > still very hypo. But the hypo ois no better or worse with or

> > without

> > > cortisll though without it probably feels alot worse.

> > > >

> > > I want to elaborate on Val's answer for . Only when hubby

> > > added Isocort to support adrenals did his hypo really become

> > > evident. I'd always suspected he was hypo, but with a TSH > 1,

> > > figured there was no way I was going to get a doctor to treat

> him.

> > > But once the cortisol was added, basically using up all his T3,

> > whoa,

> > > the depression (for no reason--typical symptom) hit like a

bomb.

> > > Just lays down and starts crying. What's wrong? I don't know.

So

> > > my answer is, yes, treating adrenals will make hypoT worse (or

at

> > > least more apparent).

> > >

> > > Barb

> > >

> > barb is right i feel im going thru the same thing since on cortef

> my

> > hypo.is more noticeable then before it wasnt.but we still need to

> > stabilize on our adrenal support before adding enough thyroid

right

> > barb?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That is what happened with me. I am on 30 mg Isocort (12 tabs), still not on

thyroid yet, thinking to add HC cream because when I start T3 have a feeling

I will crash a bit. I do feel so much better on 12 tabs than when I was on 8

but only increased by 2.5 per week.

Cheri

Re: wired but tired

Well, the day after he was so depressed, we increased his Isocort and

his mood improved. Each time he'd be fine for a few days, then get

really depressed, and increasing Iso took care of it. We are now up

to 8 pills so have no more room to go but to HC if he doesn't

stabilize, but it looks like he is.

I thought he was stable last week and let me him try 1/4 grain, but

he got nauseous after a couple of hours, which told me he still

didn't have enough cortisol reserves, so we increased Iso again and

will try the Armour again later, hopefully this week.

Barb

[Guest guest]

erica wechsler wrote:

>

> Sorry to ask so many ?'s I amjust trying to soak some of this

in. Is he on Isocort because it is not as strong as HC?

Yes, how BAD your adrenals are determines whether you treat with

Isocort or HC. When very bad, as yours seem, you don't even both with

Isocort and just start with HC. Isocort is not as strong and easier to

obtain, so if your adrenals aren't too bad, you can try that first.

Then if it's not enough, you can always move to HC. After reading

hubby's saliva labs, Val recommended Iso.

Barb

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Rose,

>

> You are an fatalist some of us are optimist others realist.

I think you are right. My DH - the most gentle, non-stressed and

well-balanced person I have ever met - lives by the dao. Whatever it

is, it just is. He doesn't get stressed. I wish I could take that

attitude. I've lived through some awful stuff which I could not

accept and could not change; my only choice was survive or curl up

and die. I survived, just about, and have slowly got the life I want

and my beliefs roughly approximate to " Shit happens. But it will be

all right " . Suppose bird flu does hit. I can't control that. I &

my family might be struck down by it. I can't control that either.

But it will be all right. Humans have survived worse tragedies. I

suppose this is fatalism. But what it is not is fear.

> Have been sick 4 years and the last 9 months have rarely been

> able to leave the house. Nevertheless the world will not be a

> better place without my presence. Although my health is in the

> pits have a brain, a loving heart, am very talented, made a life

> with my computer making animated stationery, along with teaching

> others on the net how to animate graphics.

Since I seem to be giving quite the opposite message as what I was

intending, I shall have one more go at it before STFU.

YES you are precious and irreplaceable and genuinely talented and the

world is a better place for your being here. Every person is

precious and irreplaceable especially to their parents LOL. We (in

this day and age) value life and rightly so.

Please excuse the wibbling about bird flu; I went off on an

irrelevant tangent thinking about the Black Death & the social

changes it brought (greater resources & wealth in fewer hands, more

opportunities for the survivors). And utterly awful to live in that

period, I'm sure.

> That said am here to get well

Well said.

>> Jeez I'm in an odd mood tonight.

At least I know now why I was in such an odd mood last night -

combination of PMS and too much Armour. Not pleasant!

Rosie

[Guest guest]

There is nothing wrong with Rose's attitude. She has the courage to be honest!

She knows she is contributing in other ways. She is right! It is very very wrong

for someone with a genetic sickness to pass that problem on to other

generations. Modern medicine has given us the ability to live but not the right

to harm others by " spreading disease through reproduction. " Passing on a health

problem is the meanest, most self centered thing a person can do to a child

especially in light of the fact the world is very crowded and limited in

resources.

Having a, " better attitude " is most likely NOT going to help her health in any

way. My father had a great attitude. It finally killed him because he ignored

problems in the name of getting well t through positive thinking.

Crying actually releases toxins and bottling up honest negative emotions is

not good.

Better honest sadness than forced cheerfulness.

Hensley <>< 8-)

said,

Rose you need to work really hard to have a good attitude

in most health issues they have found those who expect to

get well often do and those who do not, enough said.

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