Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 > > >>Okay so I'll rephrase. When one is hypoT AND hypoA, does treating just adrenals make hypoT worse or better?<< > > Neither! It will LOOK worse on the labs as when their is enough cortisol the T3 can get into the cells so it will not all be floating in the blood looking really pretty on blood tests whiel you are still very hypo. But the hypo ois no better or worse with or without cortisll though without it probably feels alot worse. > I want to elaborate on Val's answer for . Only when hubby added Isocort to support adrenals did his hypo really become evident. I'd always suspected he was hypo, but with a TSH > 1, figured there was no way I was going to get a doctor to treat him. But once the cortisol was added, basically using up all his T3, whoa, the depression (for no reason--typical symptom) hit like a bomb. Just lays down and starts crying. What's wrong? I don't know. So my answer is, yes, treating adrenals will make hypoT worse (or at least more apparent). Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 I was on Synthroid and " normal " when I first had CFS. K > > Well I was bedbound with both and on thyroid meds that did no good. I > don't even know why I was taking them, but the tests all came back > normal so I guessed they were doing what they were supposed to. I > can't wait until I can get my temps correct so that I can up my thyroid > meds. You also have to realize that CFS is not going to manifest itself > exactly the same way in everyone who has it. > > English > > > > I'm ONLY referring here to people bedbound with CFS and Fibro, not > adrenal fatigue and improperly treated hypothyroidism. Many people > with CFS do not have hypothyroidism. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Hey, I think we agree. Many things can mess it up! And I think many things can treat it too. Cheri Re: Re: wired but tired He's a scientist who got mercury poisoned himself from his mercury amalgam fillings and was quite ill and then had to search for the answers himself and did whatever it took to get well and devised his own protocol for safe and effective mercury chelation with DMSA and ALA and he became famous by writing a book and then another book and has lots of stuff on-line for mercury poisoning support. It's interesting because he claims that when the hypothalamus gets poisoned with mercury, CFS and Fibro can start showing up. There's that hypothalamus again! Many things can mess with the hypothalamus and mercury is one of them and copper is another and then there's the folks in whom it gets dysregulated from stress and the fact that they are not dealing with their emotions and their stuffed emotions turn into symptoms. BTW- Dr. Cutler lives in Washington State and he is available to sign on with a doc who wants to treat you for mercury or copper poisoning. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 , My question on Dr. Teitelbaum is this. If he fully believes only Mickel therapy can treat this axis issue (not sure if he does or doesn't) or that it is only an axis issue and other organs are not involved, why would he sell supplements for chronic fatigue, discuss other organs in his book, etc.? He also sells chelation and adrenal supplements. I know because I have been taking his stuff for years, have his book and am on his email list. See, I do think the hypothalamus is involved I am just not sure there is only one way to treat it or that one therapy cures it. Something like mercury definitely affects the hypothalamus but it also affects the thyroid, liver, adrenals, kidneys, colon, etc. Something like 70% of our immune system is in our digestive tract. I don't know which medical journal I read that in but it was recent. I first got CFS about 15 years before you and yes, I have heard all kinds of things over the years and think they are much closer to understanding it now than back in the 80s when I first was struggling. Cheri Re: wired but tired Does anybody else here believe Teitelbaum who says that CFS and Fibro are dysregulations of the hypothalamus? It's funny that he's the top doc in the US who figured this out and then you've got Dr. Mickel over in the UK who GAVE UP medicine because he was sick and tired of the system and prescribing drugs to people that gave them side effects and didn't cure anything and then he couldn't stand to watch the suffering of all his ME/CFS/Fibro patients and devoted himself to trying to figure out what was causing this and also came up with a hypothalamus dysregulation which he developed Mickel therapy for reversing. He had never heard of Dr. Teitelbaum and Dr. Teitelbaum had never heard of him. I introduced them, in fact, via email. It's also intersting to note that back in 1995 when I first got CFS and started going to our support group meetings where we were constantly being updated by the CFIDS Foundation and all of their research and were given information about Dr. Komaroff, who then, devoted all his time to trying to figure out what was causing CFS and Fibro and back then he said " the only thing that could cause these multiple systems to be malfunctioning is the hypothalamus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 >>Okay, so you are saying I DO have Hashis if even one prior test showed, huh? I probably should have blood work done again. Does that impact how I should treat myself? I am starting with T3 only.<< It simply means there is no hope for recovery of your thyroid glans and full replacement will keep the antibodies supressed best and make you feel as good a you are able to. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Okay, so you are saying I DO have Hashis if even one prior test showed, huh? I probably should have blood work done again. Does that impact how I should treat myself? I am starting with T3 only. Cheri Re: wired but tired If you everr had ONE lab that showed antibodies in diagnostic ranges you haveHAshi's. I do nto feel the saliva is as accurate for antibodies asn blood as antibodies live inthe blood more than the tissues. Also antibodies can rise and fall depoending on the state of your thyroid. I had a Hashi DIagnosis at 19 years old then no antibodies until about 2 years ago when they showed up ina saliva test! LOL But I think my thyroid was pretty well shot when I was doiagnosed as I seem to have almost no thyroid activity of my own since then. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Dr. Teitelbaum has nothing to do with Mickel therapy. Dr. Teitelbaum became a CFIDS specialist as far back as I think the late 80's and by the 90's was devoting his whole practice to treating CFIDS/Fibro. He wrote a book about it called " From Fatigued to Fantastic " in the 90's whereby he explained that CFS and Fibro are caused by a hypothalamus dysregulation and then goes into great detail about his treatment protocol and how he treats every system individually and every symptom individually and his treatment protocol includes, thyroid despite normal labs (he uses armour) cortef, treating the candida, sleep issues, immune system, treating the viral infections and chronic bacterial infections etc. etc. etc. You can read about his protocol on endfatigue.com. However, many years later Dr. Mickel in Scotland figured out this was a hypothalamus dysregulation also but developed a mind/body therapy that deals with how stress and peoples' emotions or lack of true expression of these emotions was the cause of the hypothalamus dysregulation and his therapy is touted to reverse it and people recover and get their life back with NO medical treatment. I know it sounds bizarre and too good to be true, but if you just take some time to look over his website and maybe get his book, it might start to make sense. I just find it interesting that two medical doctors in 2 different parts of the world figured out what was causing CFS and Fibro, while one tries to treat all the multi-systems medically and the other developed a non-medical therapy to treat it. Re: wired but tired Does anybody else here believe Teitelbaum who says that CFS and Fibro are dysregulations of the hypothalamus? It's funny that he's the top doc in the US who figured this out and then you've got Dr. Mickel over in the UK who GAVE UP medicine because he was sick and tired of the system and prescribing drugs to people that gave them side effects and didn't cure anything and then he couldn't stand to watch the suffering of all his ME/CFS/Fibro patients and devoted himself to trying to figure out what was causing this and also came up with a hypothalamus dysregulation which he developed Mickel therapy for reversing. He had never heard of Dr. Teitelbaum and Dr. Teitelbaum had never heard of him. I introduced them, in fact, via email. It's also intersting to note that back in 1995 when I first got CFS and started going to our support group meetings where we were constantly being updated by the CFIDS Foundation and all of their research and were given information about Dr. Komaroff, who then, devoted all his time to trying to figure out what was causing CFS and Fibro and back then he said " the only thing that could cause these multiple systems to be malfunctioning is the hypothalamus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 What is mickel therapy. I went to the website, and it didn't say exactly what they do to you. Do they simply talk to you? Im confused... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Okay, . I know all that since I own the book like I said. I just didn't understand what Teitelbaum had to do with Mickel therapy but now you have clarified that he doesn't have anything to do with it. I thought you were saying he used or condoned the therapy and I hadn't read that in his book or anything I received from him. I did look over the Mickel website when you first posted it. Spent a good 2 hours on it one day. Just didn't think it would work for me as I don't have emotional stuff to deal with, really, that is one area of my life I am super healthy, lol. Mine is definitely physical. Believe me, if I thought the Mickel therapy could treat what ails me I would try it but I am at stage 7 adrenal fatigue and the website doesn't give enough specifics on exactly what they do and my adrenals need to be working in order for me to function. It is more than 2 doctors that figured out the hypothalamus in relationship to that and other diseases. There is a lot of medical research on that now so that may excite you. I read medical journals as a hobby and JAMA and NEJM both have published articles on this subject. There are other diseases implicated too. Cheri Re: wired but tired Dr. Teitelbaum has nothing to do with Mickel therapy. Dr. Teitelbaum became a CFIDS specialist as far back as I think the late 80's and by the 90's was devoting his whole practice to treating CFIDS/Fibro. He wrote a book about it called " From Fatigued to Fantastic " in the 90's whereby he explained that CFS and Fibro are caused by a hypothalamus dysregulation and then goes into great detail about his treatment protocol and how he treats every system individually and every symptom individually and his treatment protocol includes, thyroid despite normal labs (he uses armour) cortef, treating the candida, sleep issues, immune system, treating the viral infections and chronic bacterial infections etc. etc. etc. You can read about his protocol on endfatigue.com. However, many years later Dr. Mickel in Scotland figured out this was a hypothalamus dysregulation also but developed a mind/body therapy that deals with how stress and peoples' emotions or lack of true expression of these emotions was the cause of the hypothalamus dysregulation and his therapy is touted to reverse it and people recover and get their life back with NO medical treatment. I know it sounds bizarre and too good to be true, but if you just take some time to look over his website and maybe get his book, it might start to make sense. I just find it interesting that two medical doctors in 2 different parts of the world figured out what was causing CFS and Fibro, while one tries to treat all the multi-systems medically and the other developed a non-medical therapy to treat it. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 " Gikas " wrote: > > I am not in denial . . . , please don't take this the wrong way, but do you see the humor in your statement? Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 , Culter is a PHd he will consult with you through your doctor however he is not a medical doctor. Adult -metal http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/ Autism-Mercury group Frequent dose group Moria's web site full of information http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ RESOURCES FOR USING THE AUTISM-MERCURY LIST, AND OTHER LISTS: Glossary Approximate definitions for many specialized terms used on the autism-mercury list. -http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Glossary.HTML'>http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Glossary.HTML HOW_TO_hair_test:- http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html PROCEDURES FOR TESTING FOR MERCURY AND OTHER HEAVY METALS: (Includes: how to order a hair test, with or without a cooperative doctor; " the counting rules " : a method of determining probable mercury toxicity; other comments on hair tests; posted hair test results; how to post hair test results) ANDY_INDEX: Informative posts by Andy Cutler (includes: who is Andy Cutler?; Introduction; topic index for ANDY_INDEX) -http://home.earthlink net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.HTML OTHER RESOURCES: HOW_TO_find_doctor: - http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_find_doctor html Andy's Mercury Chelation protocol & Info compiled by Moria Mercury Chelation information - tools and resources - FAQ http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ From: scubjay Dr Cutler huh? Wheres he located, lol? I'll be there tommorrow. Im opting to find a doc that will CHECK EVERYTHING....its the finacial burden that gets me. I dont know how these docs expect you to pay for things when you aren't healthy enough to work!! THanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 People hear emotional stuff and they think this therapy is about emotional stuff and they don't understand. I'm not saying that's the case with you, but this is a body therapy that's very hard to describe to someone and maybe I shouldn't be describing it as emotional therapy. It's certainly nothing to do with psychotherapy. This therapy is based on the fact that with CFS and Fibro, the body begins sending symptoms (back when it all starts) for an important reason. This is one of the reasons why the therapists always ask you about when your symptoms first began. The idea is that the body has an intelligence and is " OUR TRUTH' and these symptoms begin as signals telling us we must take an action or do something or change something, but we continue to do different things like people please, be perfectionists, not speak up, stuff our true feelings, and most of all, not be true to ourselves. This ends up being caused by conditioned beliefts, e.g. I must, I should, I have to and then all the trouble begins. The body starts acting up telling you this isn't working and change must be implemented. It's different for everybody, but the focus is on the symptoms and the emotions connected to them whenever they get worse. e.g. you are with a certain person (this is just a minor example) and your symptoms intensify. Now you are supposed to read your body msg and ask yourself what emotion you are feeling during the time your symptoms got worse with this person and then you are supposed to take an action right then and there, e.g. if the emotion is anger, you need to express the anger to this person rather than keep quiet about it because you are afraid of conflict. This again is just a tiny example. Re: wired but tired Dr. Teitelbaum has nothing to do with Mickel therapy. Dr. Teitelbaum became a CFIDS specialist as far back as I think the late 80's and by the 90's was devoting his whole practice to treating CFIDS/Fibro. He wrote a book about it called " From Fatigued to Fantastic " in the 90's whereby he explained that CFS and Fibro are caused by a hypothalamus dysregulation and then goes into great detail about his treatment protocol and how he treats every system individually and every symptom individually and his treatment protocol includes, thyroid despite normal labs (he uses armour) cortef, treating the candida, sleep issues, immune system, treating the viral infections and chronic bacterial infections etc. etc. etc. You can read about his protocol on endfatigue.com. However, many years later Dr. Mickel in Scotland figured out this was a hypothalamus dysregulation also but developed a mind/body therapy that deals with how stress and peoples' emotions or lack of true expression of these emotions was the cause of the hypothalamus dysregulation and his therapy is touted to reverse it and people recover and get their life back with NO medical treatment. I know it sounds bizarre and too good to be true, but if you just take some time to look over his website and maybe get his book, it might start to make sense. I just find it interesting that two medical doctors in 2 different parts of the world figured out what was causing CFS and Fibro, while one tries to treat all the multi-systems medically and the other developed a non-medical therapy to treat it. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Yes, that's cute but how else can I say that I am accepting of the fact that I am probably HYPO but feel helpless to address it since I can't tolerate thyroid hormone. Re: wired but tired " Gikas " wrote: > > I am not in denial . . . , please don't take this the wrong way, but do you see the humor in your statement? Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 , you've made progress! You just said you accept the fact that you're probably hypo. Earlier today you DENIED that! I think you should take Geritol for a month, increase your HC, and then try 1/8 grain again next month. Just my suggestion. Barb > > > > I am not in denial . . . > > , please don't take this the wrong way, but do you see the humor > in your statement? > > Barb > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 , I am sorry ,I lost track here on this post, but have you had Fibro or CFS? I just know for myself ,I said CFS because after the EBV I have never been the same! Now I se it really is that the adrenals have gone down so low!The fatigue is getting worse each year. Aswell as my ears teh last two weeks are in alot of pain,. Maybe because it just started getting cold.My friend has both Fibro and CFS,and she says she sleeps alot. I can not fall asleep too well at night ,let alone a nap during the day ,even though I feel like someone let the air out of me. a Barb wrote: , you've made progress! You just said you accept the fact that you're probably hypo. Earlier today you DENIED that! I think you should take Geritol for a month, increase your HC, and then try 1/8 grain again next month. Just my suggestion. Barb > > > > I am not in denial . . . > > , please don't take this the wrong way, but do you see the humor > in your statement? > > Barb > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 ....have you read that weight loss book by Trudeau?? I haven't but my daughter said she read it and returned it because she thought he was a scammer. But she mentioned something about getting something that brought the hypothalamus back to working order....the catch she said was he traveled to Europe to get this " fix " for this gland. I am going to go to library tomorrow to see if they have his book. All this talk made me curious as to what it was. -- Re: wired but tired Yes but wouldn't correcting the problem with the hypothalamus also work if you take the right steps to do so? Re: wired but tired >> " the only thing that could cause these multiple systems to be malfunctioning is the hypothalamus.<< In a way I agree, but the hypothalamus will only return to normal when the load of work is taken off it by replacing the hormones that are missing. Don t replace the hormones there is so much disregulation in the body it can't heal. BTW read Alfred Plkechner's work, especially Pets At Risk. Pets do not have the same mental problems we do BUT thye are having the same Adrenal/thyroid issues we are! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 But, if Mickel therapy can cure this, and you seem to believe it can, why not just go that route? I think I asked a similar question of you before, and you did reply, but I'm still missing something. I don't know why you would need to worry about tolerating or not tolerating thyroid hormone, if Mickel therapy could cure the " axis " and thus fix all endocrine systems in one fell swoop? Don't be insulted, I just don't get where you are with this, can't get my brain around it. sol Gikas wrote: > how else can I say that I am accepting of the fact that I am probably HYPO but feel helpless to address it since I can't tolerate thyroid hormone. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 > > The " tired and wired " thing you are describing goes along with high > copper women as well who have copper toxicity and don't know it. > It's described in detail in an excellent book called " Why am I always > So Tired " by Louise Gittleman. The copper stresses the thyroid > and adrenals, but because copper is a stimulant it makes us wired and > tired at the same time. Oh no. Oh damn. I was going to get an IUD fitted this weekend. I guess that scuppers that. Damn damn damn damn damn. Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 > but years ago he helped me online free when I was really dying and > that is how I got on the path to finding out I was mercury toxic. May I ask where your mercury poisoning came from? Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I know all about it. The correction of the hypothalamus he's talking about has nothing to do with the HPA axis, but rather, the appetite center of it. Re: wired but tired >> " the only thing that could cause these multiple systems to be malfunctioning is the hypothalamus.<< In a way I agree, but the hypothalamus will only return to normal when the load of work is taken off it by replacing the hormones that are missing. Don t replace the hormones there is so much disregulation in the body it can't heal. BTW read Alfred Plkechner's work, especially Pets At Risk. Pets do not have the same mental problems we do BUT thye are having the same Adrenal/thyroid issues we are! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 > > If Fibro and CFS are both adrenal/thyroid then how come nobody > completely recovers when these two things are treated? I believe > only the hypothalamus being dysregulated can cause the wide array of > symptoms in the wide array of systems that break down in both of > these conditions. At the risk of being shouted at, maybe it's because we shouldn't be alive. Go back a hundred years ago or so, and the chance of a child surviving to adulthood was not good. I wish I had figures to hand; all I can remember off-hand is Mark Starr's assertion that in Graz two hundred years ago (or was it 300?) 98 out of every 100 newborns died; an appalling figure. In the West these days, childhood deaths from infections like cholera, diphtheria, polio, whooping cough, tetanus, dysentery, chest infections, TB & so on are more or less zero. And this is clearly better, isn't it? Better for the parents of course, who don't have the agony of losing children, but is it better for the individuals who would not have survived were it not for vaccinations, antibiotics, inhalers & whatnot? I am one of those who should not have survived childhood (in fact I nearly didn't, but that's another story). In the West at least, natural selection is over. Severe adrenal fatigue is the family disease - brains the size of planets, but not physically fit. I shouldn't have survived, and I shouldn't have bred. A dear friend of mine just died from Cystic Fibrosis at the age of 37, whilst waiting for a lung transplant. One the one hand he had a good innings as he had a tough form of CF and even a few years ago would not have been expected to live to thirty even; on the other I doubt he would have survived childhood before antibiotics as he had frequent pneumonia... I won't go into details. He was always adamant that he would not have children, and I think he had the right of it. Sorry if this ruffles any feathers; it's something I am struggling with a lot at the moment. Not my own ill-health <shrug> but my children's. I have two tinies; one is nearly five and takes after me so much it is frightening. She is a fragile thing both physically and emotionally and despite a careful, loving environment clearly has inherited my adrenals, and I feel so guilty about that. OTOH, my second is nearly two and is *very* robust, taking after her dad's side of the family (her dad being as fit as a butcher's dog). I'll never be able to treat them equally, as #1 needs a quiet life while #2 does not. Sorry, I seemed to need to get that off my chest... Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 If you wanted to know the answer to that Val; you'd have to become just a tiny bit more open minded about how the mind can dysregulate the hypothalamus. If you refuse to believe such things, then I cannot give you an answer. What I can tell you is that initially when I started self-treating back in 2005, I was taking 5 mgs. pred per day which I was ordering. This certainly was giving me a full replacement dose. I had a boost and could function better, but soon I was back in bed with all the same symptoms of terrible weakness, extreme fatigue, etc. etc. Then I found out about Mickel therapy. I started doing what the therapist told me. At first I literally became a nasty bitch and although it's different for everybody; my biggest issue was not saying what I really felt and not speaking up; I followed what she told me to do. She gave me my body message which in my case was: " My symptoms are here to tell me to stop running away from my feelings and start listening to them and respond accordingly now " . I was instructed to go and read this message privately everytime I got the symptoms or everytime they intensified and I did. Then I was supposed to name the emotion I was feeling at the time I would get the symptoms or they would get worse. Then I was supposed to act on that symptom/body message. For me, it became apparent that I was constantly walking away from conflict because I feared it and I didn't want to make waves. I started speaking up in all situations whenever this was called for. I started stating what I felt and expressing it and for me it was mostly anger, anger anger. I started standing up to my beau when I'd get pissed off instead of walking away and saying " Why bother " ? Within a couple of weeks, I went from bedridden to out doing whatever I wanted to do. I have no reason to lie to you. The therapy worked for me. As far as what I'm going thru right now with anxiety and depression, I truly believe I've got a bad case of Seasonal affective disorder PLUS the curve balls life has thrown at me right now. I live in Boston. This all started when the clocks changed and it got cold. Ever since the 4:30 darkness and lack of sunny days, I became depressed and anxious. I called my functional medicine doc today to see if he'll prescribe a lightbox for me. As far as the possibility of being hypo (I wish I could know for sure) I can't tolerate thyroid hormone. There are some things though that I look at within myself and the more I know about hypoT and its characteristics and symptoms, the more I doubt it. e.g. With hypoT, isn't everything supposed to slow down? This contradicts everything about me. I do everything fast. I move very fast. I talk very fast. In fact, I have little tolerance for slowness and slow people and I finish their sentences and have no patience for anybody who moves and talks slow. I move my bowels the moment I wake up and then 2 times more. Everything about me is fast. I keep going thru Shomon's book and checking off anything that applies to me and I can't find much that I relate to in terms of HypoT. My nails are very strong and very long and grow very very fast. If I cut them off they are back to looking like false nails in 3 weeks. Everybody thinks I have false nails. My hair is thick and plentiful. I can lose weight easily if I stay on a low carb diet, but I am a Type O blood type and grains are a culprit for weight gain in Type O's. If I eat wheat, rice, potatoes, (all on the type o's avoid list, then I don't lose weight and might gain a pound. When I eliminate these foods, I lose weight fairly easily. Sorry for the length of this. I'd love to take thyroid hormone and not have my heart race and be all wired up, but I can't. Re: wired but tired >>Yes but wouldn't correcting the problem with the hypothalamus also work if you take the right steps to do so?<< Yes but only if the hormones are there for it to work. And what steps DOES cure the hypothalamus? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Yes, I had CFS for years, many of which I was incapacitated and bedbound. Re: Re: wired but tired , I am sorry ,I lost track here on this post, but have you had Fibro or CFS? I just know for myself ,I said CFS because after the EBV I have never been the same! Now I se it really is that the adrenals have gone down so low!The fatigue is getting worse each year. Aswell as my ears teh last two weeks are in alot of pain,. Maybe because it just started getting cold.My friend has both Fibro and CFS,and she says she sleeps alot. I can not fall asleep too well at night ,let alone a nap during the day ,even though I feel like someone let the air out of me. a Barb wrote: , you've made progress! You just said you accept the fact that you're probably hypo. Earlier today you DENIED that! I think you should take Geritol for a month, increase your HC, and then try 1/8 grain again next month. Just my suggestion. Barb > > > > I am not in denial . . . > > , please don't take this the wrong way, but do you see the humor > in your statement? > > Barb > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I never denied I was hypo. I have always been suspect for hypo and tried taking thyroid hormone but when I do I become Hyper and I can't take it. Re: wired but tired , you've made progress! You just said you accept the fact that you're probably hypo. Earlier today you DENIED that! I think you should take Geritol for a month, increase your HC, and then try 1/8 grain again next month. Just my suggestion. Barb > > > > I am not in denial . . . > > , please don't take this the wrong way, but do you see the humor > in your statement? > > Barb > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 >>I never denied I was hypo. I have always been suspect for hypo and tried taking thyroid hormone but when I do I become Hyper and I can't take it.<< I do nto think you become hyper at all. NERVOUS and ANXIOUS are ADRENAL symptoms and IMPOSSIBLE to be caused by hyperthyroid with the doses you are taking. If this happens again check your temp. I bet it is still low. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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