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Mike,

I had fwd the post about LDN to my neuro. Her reply is below. Note that she

only has one patient on it.

I have one patient with ALS trying it, but it has not done anything for this

patient. I don’t think it is worth the expense

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When your neuro says " it has not done anything for this patient " what

exactly does she mean? Does she mean that the patient didn't improve or

that they continue to decline? Whilst some people with MS have

experienced significant improvements the key thing is that in a very

high percentage of cases it stops them getting worse. Almost everybody

with the form of MS in which they suffer attacks (or exacerbations) has

suffered none since they started LDN over periods of time in which they

would normally have had at least one. If a new patented drug somebody

could make big bucks from had results half as good as that the medical

world would be jumping through hoops.

Her reference to " the expense " also makes me wonder as someone else did

about what sort of dosage she has prescribed. My capsules are costing

me well under $2 per day here in Oz and from what I have read in the

lowdosenaltrexone group it is even cheaper over there. I don't think

anybody in their wildest dreams could call that expensive given the

potential benefits. If she thinks it's expensive it sounds like she may

have prescribed 50mg per day which is the dosage for the original

purpose of naltrexone which was treating drug addiction. However, the

whole thing about using naltrexone for boosting/regulating the immune

system is that it is LOW DOSE naltrexone i.e. only 3.0 to 4.5 mg per day.

Also, making up the capsules requires a special sort of pharmacist

because of the minute dosages involved and there are quite a few

documented cases where even these special pharmacists don't all get it

correct. There are people who continued to get worse after starting LDN

but when they used LDN from places known to make it up accurately they

then did have positive results. There has recently been discussion on

lowdosenaltrexone group of a case of someone with MS getting

considerably worse while on LDN. However, it turned out that they were

still using drugs - a big no-no with LDN. That indicates a complete

lack of research by them and their doctor.

IMHO it is imperative that anybody considering using LDN go to

www.lowdosenaltrexone.org and read everything and then bite the bullet

and join the lowdosenaltrexone group (same thing as PLS-FRIENDS) and

read all the postings to get a good feel for what it's all about. It's

painful in a way because there are at least as many postings as on

PLS-FRIENDS, but given the ignorance of most neuros and GPs when it

comes to LDN you owe it to yourselves to learn all you can about it.

Here endeth today's lesson............

lkgentner@... wrote:

> Mike,

>

> I had fwd the post about LDN to my neuro. Her reply is below. Note

> that she

> only has one patient on it.

>

>

>

> I have one patient with ALS trying it, but it has not done anything

> for this

> patient. I don’t think it is worth the expense

>

--

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,-._|\ Covington

/ Oz \

\_,--.x/

v

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Hi all - I went to my neuro and brought the LDN website info with me.

She had no problem with me trying it - but, also did not put much stock in

it helping. Unfortunately I started LDN at the same time as Elavil (for

toe pain), Clonodine Patch (for spastiscity) and Lutimax. I did not feel

well - so we decided to start with intoducing one new drug at a time. I

will try LDN again in a few weeks. But my neuro was open to it at least.

I will keep you posted when I do start again.

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Hi Donna,

He's right - there is no research but that's because it is not a

patented drug now and this 'new' use at low doses does not justify any

company spending money researching/running controlled tests on it

because they can't get exclusive rights to make and market naltrexone.

Many people are finding that their neuros won't prescribe it but their

GPs are more likely to. If worst comes to worst there has been

information given in the lowdosenaltrexone group on how to arrange a

phone consultation with a known LDN friendly doctor. Most doctors who

are unfamiliar with it but are open minded enough to prescribe it after

reading all the information people print off from

www.lowdosenaltrexone.org soon become converts once they see the results.

The following is a reply to someone today who had a similar problem and

I think it covers things quite well. As I said in my original reply, I

think anybody considering using LDN should join the lowdosenaltrexone

group on Yahoo and get a good feel for a) how people are going on it and

B) the sorts of problems you are likely to run into trying to get a

prescription and how to beat them.

----- REPLY ------

Print off information from the LDN site. Tell your doctor that you

understand that it is just anecdotal evidence, but it *has* received

enough attention to warrant a trial in those with Crohn's disease.

Remind them that it has virtually no side effects, and assure them

that you will remain compliant with your other regimens. Try to

approach it as a " team " decision between the two of you. If they

reamin unwilling, politely inquire about the rationale behind their

decision. If they are not willing to at least give it a try; I

would seriously consider finding another physician who is more

willing to work *with* you. Hope that helps.

---- END REPLY -----

Cheers,

rosestone3 wrote:

> I ask my neuro about it and he said there was no research backing

> it. Even in a low dose he would not give it to me.

> Donna

>

> >

> > > Mike,

> > >

> > > I had fwd the post about LDN to my neuro. Her reply is below.

> Note

> > > that she

> > > only has one patient on it.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I have one patient with ALS trying it, but it has not done

> anything

> > > for this

> > > patient. I don’t think it is worth the expense

> > >

> > --

> > .

> > ,-._|\ Covington

> > / Oz \

> > \_,--.x/

> > v

>

>

> *

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Hmmm, just read what I wrote and didn't make it clear that reply I

quoted from the lowdosenaltrexone group wasn't mine to take any credit

for........

C wrote:

>The following is a reply to someone today who had a similar problem and

>I think it covers things quite well.

>

>----- REPLY ------

>

>Print off information from the LDN site. Tell your doctor that you

>understand that it is just anecdotal evidence, but it *has* received

>enough attention to warrant a trial in those with Crohn's disease.

>Remind them that it has virtually no side effects, and assure them

>that you will remain compliant with your other regimens. Try to

>approach it as a " team " decision between the two of you. If they

>reamin unwilling, politely inquire about the rationale behind their

>decision. If they are not willing to at least give it a try; I

>would seriously consider finding another physician who is more

>willing to work *with* you. Hope that helps.

>

>---- END REPLY -----

>

>

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