Re: Lactose intolerance

March 26, 2006

Can we run with this a bit??

I was never a milk drinker once I grew up but love butter and cheese.

After I got nuked (RAI) to stop my thyroid storm, it was a week, maybe

two weeks later, I went to a restaurant and had one of my favs, mashed

potatoes with a pat of butter on top. I smushed around the potatoes into

the melting butter and stuffed a big fork full into my mouth and

swallowed.

My stomach started to gurgle. My guts started to gurgle. I got up to head

for the bathroom and made it about half way there when I hung a sharp

left and existed the building to stand OUTSIDE by the car. I hadn't even

made it to the bathroom before my bowels cleared. Any type of diary,

milk, butter, cheese, cottage cheese... anything.... I had the same

immediate reaction.

My research at the time (about 15 years ago) said that lactose

intolerance is a missing bacteria in the gut, the bacteria that digests

the lactose sugars of diary.

I tried Lactaid brand milk, that has the bacteria added to it... and was

able to do that... but no other dairy... That lasted about a year then I

was okay. My mom told me that I was lactose intolerant as an infant and

had to be put on soy formula but that I had grown out of it and by my

toddler years I was drinking milk and eating cheese. Through our teens my

brother and I downed five gallons of milk a week.

It's my understanding that lactose intolerance involves and IMMEDIATE

reaction, a purging of the digestive system, in reaction to the

lactose....

You have me confused now... are there different 'levels' of lactose

intolerance? Different types??

A few years passed and I started having trouble again. But not with all

dairy. Just certain kinds. It took a LONG while to figure out what was

going on and I eventually figured out that it was from ingredients that

were being added to dairy (cheap junk fillers) that was causing my

reaction.... Long story short, to this day if I have a product that has

both carageenan (derived from red seaweed and a known carcinogen) and

guar gum (a texture replacement derived from a particular variety of

beans). If I do have something that contains those ingredients, or have a

meal that includes both ingredients I get the same reaction I had when I

was lactose intolerant... total and complete purging of my intestinal

tract with the added joy of projectile vomiting at the same time. This

'party' starts within 5 to 10 minutes of consumption.

Last year I found that if I had cheese in the morning that contained a

guar gum filler and pie in the afternoon that contained carageenan I got

immediate diarrhea. One fork full of pie had me running for the bathroom.

I can still do real diary with no problems... and still do the cheese

spread with guar gum with no problems.... but won't let anything past my

lips that is remotely 'dairy' unless I know what is in it....

I'm curious how this all relates... thyroid... digestion....

What symptoms do you have after having dairy??

Topper ()

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:52:17 -0600 Lynn writes:

> To those who aren't lactose intolerant, it would seem like an obvious

>

> thing to figure out. Drink milk = reaction. But the thing is, it can

>

> take up to 36 hours to have a reaction.

>

> Sue, I sympathize, REALLY.

>

> Check out this site for helpful info:

> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/stevecarper/

>

> Also, I've discovered a lot of facts that help me from this site:

> (since these folks can't have lactose either for various diseases)

> http://www.scdiet.org/

>

> The above advocates making a yogurt that you ferment for 24-hours

> because the yogurt making process digests all the lactose and breaks

> it

> down. The reason store-bought yogurt doesn't work for most seriously

>

> lactose intolerant folks is that they only ferment it a few hours,

> leaving most of the lactose concentrated in the final product. Watch

> it

> too for the yogurts that ADD IN whey and milk AFTER fermentation -

> they're a no-no to lactose intolerant folks.

>

> One other note, I discovered that the dry curd cottage cheese that

> the

> SCDIET folks use is actually really good. If you're used to buying

> cottage cheese in the store, that is what is called " creamed "

> cottage

> cheese - they add milk or cream to the dry cottage cheese curds. If

> you

> buy dry curd, it has a negligible amount of lactose to zero - I add

> lactose free milk and a little salt, and make my own creamed cottage

>

> cheese that's virtually lactose free. Whoopee Was my big

> discovery

> this year and I'm thrilled.

>

> Lastly - I heard that some lactose intolerance is caused by the

> thyroid

> problem - I hope I am one of those because then Id have a chance of

> no

> longer being lactose intolerant if I could level out the thyroid

> issues.

>

> Hope this helps!

> -Lynn

March 26, 2006

You can have different types of reactions to dairy. You may be lactose intolerant to the lactic acid and/or you may also have reactions to the milk protiens, wheys, enzymes, etc.... you may never know what it completely is unless you have certain allergy tests done as they sometimes will show up with things. It's like with my allergy tests... if I drink milk I feel it instantly, my face burns, and I start having inflammation... but with cheese, it just seems that I'm lactose intolerant sometimes. And with other cheeses I'm not. It also will depend on the source of the cheese. For instance, some that are intolerant of cow dairy products can eat sheep or goat products with no problem because the protein strains are the same but different due to species and what not. However some will have the same reaction all around. Whether it be through allergic form or just intolerance.

I hope that helps.

Re: Lactose intolerance

Can we run with this a bit??I was never a milk drinker once I grew up but love butter and cheese.After I got nuked (RAI) to stop my thyroid storm, it was a week, maybetwo weeks later, I went to a restaurant and had one of my favs, mashedpotatoes with a pat of butter on top. I smushed around the potatoes intothe melting butter and stuffed a big fork full into my mouth andswallowed.My stomach started to gurgle. My guts started to gurgle. I got up to headfor the bathroom and made it about half way there when I hung a sharpleft and existed the building to stand OUTSIDE by the car. I hadn't evenmade it to the bathroom before my bowels cleared. Any type of diary,milk, butter, cheese, cottage cheese... anything.... I had the sameimmediate reaction. My research at the time (about 15 years ago) said that lactoseintolerance is a missing bacteria in the gut, the bacteria that digeststhe lactose sugars of diary.I tried Lactaid brand milk, that has the bacteria added to it... and wasable to do that... but no other dairy... That lasted about a year then Iwas okay. My mom told me that I was lactose intolerant as an infant andhad to be put on soy formula but that I had grown out of it and by mytoddler years I was drinking milk and eating cheese. Through our teens mybrother and I downed five gallons of milk a week.It's my understanding that lactose intolerance involves and IMMEDIATEreaction, a purging of the digestive system, in reaction to thelactose.... You have me confused now... are there different 'levels' of lactoseintolerance? Different types??A few years passed and I started having trouble again. But not with alldairy. Just certain kinds. It took a LONG while to figure out what wasgoing on and I eventually figured out that it was from ingredients thatwere being added to dairy (cheap junk fillers) that was causing myreaction.... Long story short, to this day if I have a product that hasboth carageenan (derived from red seaweed and a known carcinogen) andguar gum (a texture replacement derived from a particular variety ofbeans). If I do have something that contains those ingredients, or have ameal that includes both ingredients I get the same reaction I had when Iwas lactose intolerant... total and complete purging of my intestinaltract with the added joy of projectile vomiting at the same time. This'party' starts within 5 to 10 minutes of consumption.Last year I found that if I had cheese in the morning that contained aguar gum filler and pie in the afternoon that contained carageenan I gotimmediate diarrhea. One fork full of pie had me running for the bathroom.I can still do real diary with no problems... and still do the cheesespread with guar gum with no problems.... but won't let anything past mylips that is remotely 'dairy' unless I know what is in it....I'm curious how this all relates... thyroid... digestion.... What symptoms do you have after having dairy??Topper ()On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:52:17 -0600 Lynn writes:> To those who aren't lactose intolerant, it would seem like an obvious > > thing to figure out. Drink milk = reaction. But the thing is, it can > > take up to 36 hours to have a reaction.> > Sue, I sympathize, REALLY.> > Check out this site for helpful info:> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/stevecarper/> > Also, I've discovered a lot of facts that help me from this site:> (since these folks can't have lactose either for various diseases)> http://www.scdiet.org/> > The above advocates making a yogurt that you ferment for 24-hours > because the yogurt making process digests all the lactose and breaks > it > down. The reason store-bought yogurt doesn't work for most seriously > > lactose intolerant folks is that they only ferment it a few hours, > leaving most of the lactose concentrated in the final product. Watch > it > too for the yogurts that ADD IN whey and milk AFTER fermentation - > they're a no-no to lactose intolerant folks.> > One other note, I discovered that the dry curd cottage cheese that > the > SCDIET folks use is actually really good. If you're used to buying > cottage cheese in the store, that is what is called "creamed" > cottage > cheese - they add milk or cream to the dry cottage cheese curds. If > you > buy dry curd, it has a negligible amount of lactose to zero - I add > lactose free milk and a little salt, and make my own creamed cottage > > cheese that's virtually lactose free. Whoopee Was my big > discovery > this year and I'm thrilled.> > Lastly - I heard that some lactose intolerance is caused by the > thyroid > problem - I hope I am one of those because then Id have a chance of > no > longer being lactose intolerant if I could level out the thyroid > issues.> > Hope this helps!> -Lynn

March 26, 2006

Topper,

Give me a little time to dig up some facts. But based on your immediate

and violent reactions, I'm more inclined to think you have an allergy

rather than an intolerance. That's too fast and too violent. They are

not the same thing. Hang on while I dig ....

-Lynn

topper2@... wrote:

> Can we run with this a bit??

>

> I was never a milk drinker once I grew up but love butter and cheese.

> After I got nuked (RAI) to stop my thyroid storm, it was a week, maybe

> two weeks later, I went to a restaurant and had one of my favs, mashed

> potatoes with a pat of butter on top. I smushed around the potatoes into

> the melting butter and stuffed a big fork full into my mouth and

> swallowed.

>

> My stomach started to gurgle. My guts started to gurgle. I got up to head

> for the bathroom and made it about half way there when I hung a sharp

> left and existed the building to stand OUTSIDE by the car. I hadn't even

> made it to the bathroom before my bowels cleared. Any type of diary,

> milk, butter, cheese, cottage cheese... anything.... I had the same

> immediate reaction.

>

> My research at the time (about 15 years ago) said that lactose

> intolerance is a missing bacteria in the gut, the bacteria that digests

> the lactose sugars of diary.

>

> I tried Lactaid brand milk, that has the bacteria added to it... and was

> able to do that... but no other dairy... That lasted about a year then I

> was okay. My mom told me that I was lactose intolerant as an infant and

> had to be put on soy formula but that I had grown out of it and by my

> toddler years I was drinking milk and eating cheese. Through our teens my

> brother and I downed five gallons of milk a week.

>

> It's my understanding that lactose intolerance involves and IMMEDIATE

> reaction, a purging of the digestive system, in reaction to the

> lactose....

>

> You have me confused now... are there different 'levels' of lactose

> intolerance? Different types??

>

> A few years passed and I started having trouble again. But not with all

> dairy. Just certain kinds. It took a LONG while to figure out what was

> going on and I eventually figured out that it was from ingredients that

> were being added to dairy (cheap junk fillers) that was causing my

> reaction.... Long story short, to this day if I have a product that has

> both carageenan (derived from red seaweed and a known carcinogen) and

> guar gum (a texture replacement derived from a particular variety of

> beans). If I do have something that contains those ingredients, or have a

> meal that includes both ingredients I get the same reaction I had when I

> was lactose intolerant... total and complete purging of my intestinal

> tract with the added joy of projectile vomiting at the same time. This

> 'party' starts within 5 to 10 minutes of consumption.

>

> Last year I found that if I had cheese in the morning that contained a

> guar gum filler and pie in the afternoon that contained carageenan I got

> immediate diarrhea. One fork full of pie had me running for the bathroom.

>

> I can still do real diary with no problems... and still do the cheese

> spread with guar gum with no problems.... but won't let anything past my

> lips that is remotely 'dairy' unless I know what is in it....

>

> I'm curious how this all relates... thyroid... digestion....

>

> What symptoms do you have after having dairy??

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:52:17 -0600 Lynn writes:

> > To those who aren't lactose intolerant, it would seem like an obvious

> >

> > thing to figure out. Drink milk = reaction. But the thing is, it can

> >

> > take up to 36 hours to have a reaction.

> >

> > Sue, I sympathize, REALLY.

> >

> > Check out this site for helpful info:

> > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/stevecarper/

> >

> > Also, I've discovered a lot of facts that help me from this site:

> > (since these folks can't have lactose either for various diseases)

> > http://www.scdiet.org/

> >

> > The above advocates making a yogurt that you ferment for 24-hours

> > because the yogurt making process digests all the lactose and breaks

> > it

> > down. The reason store-bought yogurt doesn't work for most seriously

> >

> > lactose intolerant folks is that they only ferment it a few hours,

> > leaving most of the lactose concentrated in the final product. Watch

> > it

> > too for the yogurts that ADD IN whey and milk AFTER fermentation -

> > they're a no-no to lactose intolerant folks.

> >

> > One other note, I discovered that the dry curd cottage cheese that

> > the

> > SCDIET folks use is actually really good. If you're used to buying

> > cottage cheese in the store, that is what is called " creamed "

> > cottage

> > cheese - they add milk or cream to the dry cottage cheese curds. If

> > you

> > buy dry curd, it has a negligible amount of lactose to zero - I add

> > lactose free milk and a little salt, and make my own creamed cottage

> >

> > cheese that's virtually lactose free. Whoopee Was my big

> > discovery

> > this year and I'm thrilled.

> >

> > Lastly - I heard that some lactose intolerance is caused by the

> > thyroid

> > problem - I hope I am one of those because then Id have a chance of

> > no

> > longer being lactose intolerant if I could level out the thyroid

> > issues.

> >

> > Hope this helps!

> > -Lynn

>

March 26, 2006

that's almost what happens to me when i have a reaction

andrea

Re: Lactose intolerance

Topper,Give me a little time to dig up some facts. But based on your immediate and violent reactions, I'm more inclined to think you have an allergy rather than an intolerance. That's too fast and too violent. They are not the same thing. Hang on while I dig ....-Lynntopper2@... wrote:> Can we run with this a bit??> > I was never a milk drinker once I grew up but love butter and cheese.> After I got nuked (RAI) to stop my thyroid storm, it was a week, maybe> two weeks later, I went to a restaurant and had one of my favs, mashed> potatoes with a pat of butter on top. I smushed around the potatoes into> the melting butter and stuffed a big fork full into my mouth and> swallowed.> > My stomach started to gurgle. My guts started to gurgle. I got up to head> for the bathroom and made it about half way there when I hung a sharp> left and existed the building to stand OUTSIDE by the car. I hadn't even> made it to the bathroom before my bowels cleared. Any type of diary,> milk, butter, cheese, cottage cheese... anything.... I had the same> immediate reaction.> > My research at the time (about 15 years ago) said that lactose> intolerance is a missing bacteria in the gut, the bacteria that digests> the lactose sugars of diary.> > I tried Lactaid brand milk, that has the bacteria added to it... and was> able to do that... but no other dairy... That lasted about a year then I> was okay. My mom told me that I was lactose intolerant as an infant and> had to be put on soy formula but that I had grown out of it and by my> toddler years I was drinking milk and eating cheese. Through our teens my> brother and I downed five gallons of milk a week.> > It's my understanding that lactose intolerance involves and IMMEDIATE> reaction, a purging of the digestive system, in reaction to the> lactose....> > You have me confused now... are there different 'levels' of lactose> intolerance? Different types??> > A few years passed and I started having trouble again. But not with all> dairy. Just certain kinds. It took a LONG while to figure out what was> going on and I eventually figured out that it was from ingredients that> were being added to dairy (cheap junk fillers) that was causing my> reaction.... Long story short, to this day if I have a product that has> both carageenan (derived from red seaweed and a known carcinogen) and> guar gum (a texture replacement derived from a particular variety of> beans). If I do have something that contains those ingredients, or have a> meal that includes both ingredients I get the same reaction I had when I> was lactose intolerant... total and complete purging of my intestinal> tract with the added joy of projectile vomiting at the same time. This> 'party' starts within 5 to 10 minutes of consumption.> > Last year I found that if I had cheese in the morning that contained a> guar gum filler and pie in the afternoon that contained carageenan I got> immediate diarrhea. One fork full of pie had me running for the bathroom.> > I can still do real diary with no problems... and still do the cheese> spread with guar gum with no problems.... but won't let anything past my> lips that is remotely 'dairy' unless I know what is in it....> > I'm curious how this all relates... thyroid... digestion....> > What symptoms do you have after having dairy??> > Topper ()> > On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:52:17 -0600 Lynn writes:> > To those who aren't lactose intolerant, it would seem like an obvious> >> > thing to figure out. Drink milk = reaction. But the thing is, it can> >> > take up to 36 hours to have a reaction.> >> > Sue, I sympathize, REALLY.> >> > Check out this site for helpful info:> > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/stevecarper/> >> > Also, I've discovered a lot of facts that help me from this site:> > (since these folks can't have lactose either for various diseases)> > http://www.scdiet.org/> >> > The above advocates making a yogurt that you ferment for 24-hours> > because the yogurt making process digests all the lactose and breaks> > it> > down. The reason store-bought yogurt doesn't work for most seriously> >> > lactose intolerant folks is that they only ferment it a few hours,> > leaving most of the lactose concentrated in the final product. Watch> > it> > too for the yogurts that ADD IN whey and milk AFTER fermentation -> > they're a no-no to lactose intolerant folks.> >> > One other note, I discovered that the dry curd cottage cheese that> > the> > SCDIET folks use is actually really good. If you're used to buying> > cottage cheese in the store, that is what is called "creamed"> > cottage> > cheese - they add milk or cream to the dry cottage cheese curds. If> > you> > buy dry curd, it has a negligible amount of lactose to zero - I add> > lactose free milk and a little salt, and make my own creamed cottage> >> > cheese that's virtually lactose free. Whoopee Was my big> > discovery> > this year and I'm thrilled.> >> > Lastly - I heard that some lactose intolerance is caused by the> > thyroid> > problem - I hope I am one of those because then Id have a chance of> > no> > longer being lactose intolerant if I could level out the thyroid> > issues.> >> > Hope this helps!> > -Lynn> > >

March 26, 2006

Topper,

I'm going to stick to my gut reaction (no pun intended) and I suspect

you have a hypersensitivity, or a true allergy to milk protein or

something in dairy, rather than lactose intolerance.

With lactose intolerance, you typically need at least 30 minutes for the

food to reach your intestines (at the quickest). Once there, if there is

not enough lactase enzyme to break down the lactose, you'll start having

symptoms. They are always lower digestive symptoms .. bloating, gas,

diarreah, etc. Although you can react as late as 36 hours after eating

the offending food, my reactions are typically in the 1-hour to 12-hour

range. You can make lactose laden foods digest better if you eat them

with certain other foods that are slow digesting foods.

If you have reactions within seconds of the food passing your lips, I

think that is indicative of a sensitivity, or a true allergy. Granted,

you didn't mention having a rash, or breathing trouble, or swelling of

the face or anything - but I think hypersensitivity might be the word to

describe your problem. I've never heard of any other true lactose

intolerant person having that fast and that violent of a reaction.

This article says a lot about the differences. I skimmed it, but looks

pretty good.

http://www.allergyasthmacenter.com/info/milklactose.htm

I'll keep looking for more info for you.

Best,

-Lynn

March 26, 2006

Not to be gross but yes I had that ONCE this past year and it was unreal— totally clear — and every few minutes it seemed --

The last “suspicous” thing I had done was clean the cat box without gloves and wansn’t real careful so thought it must have been that ... No throwing up, just the other for a full night into the morning and everything was literally clear liquid. I had some pedialyte, some broth and it felt like it was coming back on so I took PEPTO BISMAL for it and it went away — I read that can kill some bacterial infections of the stomach and it did the trick for me.

sue

Has anyone else ever had that? Not much notice and then everything purging... both ends at the same time until there is nothing left coming out but clear liquid... not even cloudy... clear. Not stomach acid either, it doesn't burn (at either end)

And as soon as it's purged I'm fine.... embarrassed. Need to clean up and change but feel fine.

The last time that I got the full deal was after having a chocolate shake at Burger King..that was in '99. I called the manager and ended up spending quite a bit of time with him trying to explain that I had an allergy to two specific ingredients when taken together and all I wanted to know was if those ingredients were in the shake mix. If they were it would tell me that I was still allergic and that I had to be more careful... that I was not going to sue him... it was a fluke of my body not their product

March 26, 2006

Another thing I'll add is that allergies can come and go depending on the type of stress levels in the body, other additional combination factors (with other allergies) and several different things (age, medications, time of year, etc.). The Allergy Cure book (can't remember who it's by) talks about rotation dieting and how to avoid or cure certain allergies. Interesting read it also talks about testing and what not.

Re: Lactose intolerance

I've not looked into this for more than 10 years.. so I'm not at all current on it....

It lasted about a year after the RAI then just went away.. during that year I could drink the lactaid milk with no problems. Since I couldn't eat any cheeses or ice creams or anything I was doing the lactaid milk for a calcium source.... Since then it all went away...... That's been about 14 years that I've been fine again with real dairy... but get the junk diary with the seaweed.. then I have problems....

So what is different between regular whole milk and the lactaid milk if I had an allergy for that period of time? And what might have been going on when I was in an infant, nursing, that made them put me on a bottle with soy that went away by the time I was walking???

Hmmmm

Interesting stuff... figuring out our bodies....

I won't get time to hog the phone, to go online, until morning, then I'll check out your link..

Topper ()

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:03:31 -0600 Lynn writes:

Topper,I'm going to stick to my gut reaction (no pun intended) and I suspect you have a hypersensitivity, or a true allergy to milk protein or something in dairy, rather than lactose intolerance.With lactose intolerance, you typically need at least 30 minutes for the food to reach your intestines (at the quickest). Once there, if there is not enough lactase enzyme to break down the lactose, you'll start having symptoms. They are always lower digestive symptoms .. bloating, gas, diarreah, etc. Although you can react as late as 36 hours after eating the offending food, my reactions are typically in the 1-hour to 12-hour range. You can make lactose laden foods digest better if you eat them with certain other foods that are slow digesting foods.If you have reactions within seconds of the food passing your lips, I think that is indicative of a sensitivity, or a true allergy. Granted, you didn't mention having a rash, or breathing trouble, or swelling of the face or anything - but I think hypersensitivity might be the word to describe your problem. I've never heard of any other true lactose intolerant person having that fast and that violent of a reaction.This article says a lot about the differences. I skimmed it, but looks pretty good.http://www.allergyasthmacenter.com/info/milklactose.htmI'll keep looking for more info for you.Best,-Lynn

March 26, 2006

That is interesting about the cat box.... for me, I cannot be near when he cleans the cat box (allergic to cats)... but when he kisses me afterward, my lips start burning lol. So he has to take a shower first, but since taking the allegra, I feel better. I do notice that my dosage needs to be upped though... but it's been over a year... go figure lol.

a.

Re: Lactose intolerance

Not to be gross but yes I had that ONCE this past year and it was unreal— totally clear — and every few minutes it seemed -- The last “suspicous” thing I had done was clean the cat box without gloves and wansn’t real careful so thought it must have been that ... No throwing up, just the other for a full night into the morning and everything was literally clear liquid. I had some pedialyte, some broth and it felt like it was coming back on so I took PEPTO BISMAL for it and it went away — I read that can kill some bacterial infections of the stomach and it did the trick for me.sue

Has anyone else ever had that? Not much notice and then everything purging... both ends at the same time until there is nothing left coming out but clear liquid... not even cloudy... clear. Not stomach acid either, it doesn't burn (at either end)And as soon as it's purged I'm fine.... embarrassed. Need to clean up and change but feel fine. The last time that I got the full deal was after having a chocolate shake at Burger King..that was in '99. I called the manager and ended up spending quite a bit of time with him trying to explain that I had an allergy to two specific ingredients when taken together and all I wanted to know was if those ingredients were in the shake mix. If they were it would tell me that I was still allergic and that I had to be more careful... that I was not going to sue him... it was a fluke of my body not their product. The first time, with the butter and potatoes.... it was real butter.. you know the little pats that are individually wrapped.... assuming that when they have the real seal that they are real..... Again... I've had that same stuff at the same restaurant after that year passed and had no reactions.... In fact I had taters and butter for a mini meal today and no reaction. Topper ()On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:39:04 -0600 Lynn writes:

Topper,Give me a little time to dig up some facts. But based on your immediate and violent reactions, I'm more inclined to think you have an allergy rather than an intolerance. That's too fast and too violent. They are not the same thing. Hang on while I dig ....-

March 26, 2006

Okay.... I'll stand corrected... as I said.. it's been YEARS since I looked into this stuff, back before computers and sitting at the library reading books in the reserved section, where you can't take them out of the library....

Topper ()

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:31:24 -0600 Lynn writes:

Sorry to correct you, but it isn't a bacterial deficiency ... its a deficiency of the production of an enzyme called lactase.topper2@... wrote:> Not really..... lactose intolerance isn't an allergy... lactose > intolerance is a bacterial deficiency which prevents the body from being > able to digest lactose, the sugar in milk... not the same as lactic acid.

March 26, 2006

I'm back... something popped into my brain....

I was in Thyroid Storm, eating tons (30,000 calories a day) and then got nuked.... before the nuking (RAI) I had no problems with dairy, after I did, but for about a year, then back to normal.....

It involves enzymes, the intolerance.... If I went from eating for 10 men down to eating for a hypo and gaining more than a hundred pounds in that year.... was there a shift in enzyme production in my body there somewhere???

I wish I could remember how long after the RAI I went to that restaurant.... drats...

Topper ()

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:31:24 -0600 Lynn writes:

Sorry to correct you, but it isn't a bacterial deficiency ... its a deficiency of the production of an enzyme called lactase.topper2@... wrote:> Not really..... lactose intolerance isn't an allergy... lactose > intolerance is a bacterial deficiency which prevents the body from being > able to digest lactose, the sugar in milk... not the same as lactic acid.

March 26, 2006

What can you eat that will add up to 30,000 calories a day? Was it supplements? Meal replacements? I don’t see how a stomach could hold and process that many calories in a day...sounds so freaky..

Sue

I'm back... something popped into my brain....

I was in Thyroid Storm, eating tons (30,000 calories a day) and then got nuked.... before the nuking (RAI) I had no problems with dairy, after I did, but for about a year, then back to normal.....

It involves enzymes, the intolerance.... If I went from eating for 10 men down to eating for a hypo and gaining more than a hundred pounds in that year.... was there a shift in enzyme production in my body there somewhere???

I wish I could remember how long after the RAI I went to that restaurant.... drats...

Topper ()

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:31:24 -0600 Lynn writes:

Sorry to correct you, but it isn't a bacterial deficiency ... its a

deficiency of the production of an enzyme called lactase.

topper2@... wrote:

> Not really..... lactose intolerance isn't an allergy... lactose

> intolerance is a bacterial deficiency which prevents the body from being

> able to digest lactose, the sugar in milk... not the same as lactic acid.

March 26, 2006

What can you eat that will add up to 30,000 calories a day? Was it supplements? Meal replacements? I don’t see how a stomach could hold and process that many calories in a day...sounds so freaky..

Sue

I'm back... something popped into my brain....

I was in Thyroid Storm, eating tons (30,000 calories a day) and then got nuked.... before the nuking (RAI) I had no problems with dairy, after I did, but for about a year, then back to normal.....

It involves enzymes, the intolerance.... If I went from eating for 10 men down to eating for a hypo and gaining more than a hundred pounds in that year.... was there a shift in enzyme production in my body there somewhere???

I wish I could remember how long after the RAI I went to that restaurant.... drats...

Topper ()

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:31:24 -0600 Lynn writes:

Sorry to correct you, but it isn't a bacterial deficiency ... its a

deficiency of the production of an enzyme called lactase.

topper2@... wrote:

> Not really..... lactose intolerance isn't an allergy... lactose

> intolerance is a bacterial deficiency which prevents the body from being

> able to digest lactose, the sugar in milk... not the same as lactic acid.

March 26, 2006

I was in thyroid storm, I ate non stop, pretty much.. the last few months I stopped sleeping so that I could stay up to eat. If I didn't eat I'd get the shakes and the most awful headaches... as soon as I ate again I was fine.....

I was working for a vending company at the time so I got a lot of junk from there. I got cases of expired product (chips, cookies, candy) out of the dumpster at the end of shift, that covered overall calories to keep up the storm part.. then I hit 'all you can eat' restaurants everyday. I had a circuit so that I didn't hit the same one more than once or twice a week.

Menus.... Country Buffet.. the first three plates were raw fruits and vegies.... then the next three plates were carbs and hot vegies, then came the meats. I had managers cringe there.... Back then they still had trays, you could fit three plates on a tray....

Pizza.... three large meat pizzas plus dessert pizzas, Godfather's had all you could eat lunch slices.... that manager HATED me when I walked in..... but no one ever kicked me out.. and that went on for over six months that I was eating like that.

Pies... strawberry cream cheese.... whole pies, from Baker's Square. Two at a time.

Mountain dew with everything. IF that wasn't there, coke. And water... gallons of water a day.

My morning run downtown (I drove truck) took thirty minutes... during that thirty minute drive I consumed 24 full sized Snickers bars, a whole box, plus a six pack of dew... that's nearly a bar a minute, while driving, and a can of dew every four bars... while driving.... Every morning...

The 's near work knew my truck, when they say me coming they got my standing order ready.... two large triples with bacon and cheese, plus fries and drinks... every day.

On weekends, before I got out to go eat, I made sandwiches.... one pound of pork links on two slices of bread that were slathered with Miracle Whip. Ate the first while cooking the second... sometimes I actually cooked it long enough to not be raw.....

All the food that got pulled out of the vending machines, old sandwiches and fruit and stuff that was passed it's 'sell by' date... I ate all of that.... Before I gave up on shopping and cooking, I couldn't afford to buy that much food, and couldn't wait long enough to cook it... I would buy rotisserie chickens.... and as soon as I got out to the car I'd rip one open and eat it in the car.. then I'd go home and eat the second one.. that would tide me over long enough to either cook something or start eating the expired stuff that I got at work that day.

Ever sat down and eaten 60 bags of fritos, or cheetos or doritos? It's turns your poop funny colors.... I had to empty my bowels pretty much hourly from all that I was eating....

But the doc said that there was nothing wrong with me!

Okay... changing the recording in my brain.... that year of my life was a horror story..... no matter what I ate, or how much I still felt as though I was starving... and I still couldn't maintain my weight... it just kept inching down. I lost 40 pounds the first 30 days that anyone noticed something was wrong..... and another 20 while eating everything I could lay my hands on.... during the first six months after RAI I gained back 100 pounds... over the next year after that I put on another hundred. All that weight gained while on 'normal portions' and no longer over eating.

A body in thyroid storm is in over drive.... I pumped out so much heat that I didn't wear a coat in the winter and had to run the air conditioner to keep the windows from frosting up, it was 20 below outside but I couldn't tolerate turning on the heat.

The only upside was I did a LOT of inventing that year, my brain was in overdrive too!!! hehehe

My endo and I sat down not long after I had the RAI and did the forensics on my symptoms and eating.... that's how we came up with the numbers.... A case of pop alone is over 4,000 calories, I was doing that for years before I even showed any symptoms that others noticed, and that was when the rapid weight loss started.. my new boss spotted it...

Topper ()

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:12:45 -0600 jytdtp writes:

What can you eat that will add up to 30,000 calories a day? Was it supplements? Meal replacements? I don’t see how a stomach could hold and process that many calories in a day...sounds so freaky..Sue

March 26, 2006

geez.... just hearing that you consumed that much sugar gave me the shakes, but... when that's happening, what are you going to do? lol.