disability

February 28, 2005

but it is amking money while you do nothing. i could get it know if i want

and choose to only apley fopr the emp disabilty through work comp. but has

soon has i can I will work agaon. heck the dr's have told me for years thjat

i should get disability for arthrites and i was like nope I don;t want to be

lazy. i just oput up with the pain. when you ahve chroic pain you learn how

to live with it.

>From: staceypmartin@...

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: Re: disability

>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:51:23 EST

>

February 28, 2005

the thing is there is no thing saying if they have mental or not. those test

are easy to fake. I know when they did my ampuation I had to see a shrink

guy and I coudl tell from his queestion what type of ansers he would want to

here. so you anser them the way they want to ehre then and they say yep your

menlty ill.

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: Re: disability

>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:30:43 -0800 (PST)

>

February 28, 2005

I'd like to cast my vote with those who are responding to Dave's post. I

am new to this list but I " know " a lot of these posters from other lists

and I am amazed at their patience in dealing with your judgmental posts.

You basically call Helen's husband a slacker because his arthritis does

not allow him to work. You call people with mental impairments *mentals*.

You claim to have the answer for those who say they are in too much pain

to work to " deal with it " . You " know for a fact " that SSDI has a computer

that spits out rejections at will, and all the time you are sending out

these missiles of mass destruction, you are doing so without looking at

what you typed or using spell check or maybe they are in a different

language because it takes a special kind of patience to decipher your

special code. Did your mother ever tell you that people in glass houses

should not throw stones? This might be a good time to heed that advise

cause your plan doesn't seem to be working.

Of course, like everything having to do with DM, YMMV

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:30:43 -0800 (PST)

writes:

>

> I have to agree with you. I have rheumatoid arthritis, and, while

> it is not my choice to be placed on disability, it is also not for

> another person to tell me what I have to " learn to live with. " If

> we all want to pick at each other, I am sure we could all find

> reasons to invalidate another person's account of his or her

> suffering. As a psychologist, I can attest that there are

> individuals who have mental illnesses so severe that they cannot

> work. Most of the ones I have seen are tortured by the fact that

> they must constantly look at our world, a world of competence and

> achievement, while they live in their world, a world of board and

> care facilities, intolerant opinions, and severe poverty.

>

> Speaking of intolerance...

>

> Helen Mueller wrote:

> Dave, our own personal experience with disability proves you are not

>

> correct in your assumptions about conditions.

>

In a message dated 2/28/05 4:16:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,

teamcourage@... writes:

well i belive my best frind about hpow people with mentla disorders get

way

to much disabilty and dpn't have to fight it like we do. Heck the thing

is

how can they prove you dont have a mental thing. they can fake and get

it.

the other thing i disagftee with is them geitng disabilty most of the

emthals can work if they relay wanted to. But just choose to set aorund

the

house palying video games. And tv. I think alot of the phsycal

disabilties

also can work if they wanted to such has arthrites. I have arthrites and

it

don';t stop me from working Sure you have pain its called you learn to

live

with it. there a re a very few who are truley disabiled by it but they

are

rare and in wheel chairs and even they can work. That makes it hard on

thsoe

who have true disabites becsue they are more paticular about who they let

get disability.

February 28, 2005

In my case, they do not believe I have mental illness and are really giving me

hell. I do not believe it is always easy to get disability because one is

mentally ill. So far, I have had no luck, and I am not someone who is sponging

off the system and lying about my problems. I can't even afford the meds I need

to get stabillized so that I *can* work! If I could, there might be a chance I

could do something, but between mental and diabetes and eye problems there isn't

much out here to get...hard enough for folks who are NOT disabled to find jobs.

Okay...rant done.

So sorry, I do disagree...in some instances it is *not* easier, esp if your pdoc

said one thing, and then another changed the diagnosis later without good cause,

and if you aren't quite at the legally blind cutoff point.

Tam

February 28, 2005

This is not true. Not one word you have said about this subject is true. For

one thing, if psychological tests are given, they have items built into them so

a professional can tell if there is any faking. This is different from an

interview with a psychiatrist, and also an interview by a psychologist will be

different from one with a psychiatrist. I actually do mental health for a

living. The interview you had for mental health effects of an amputation would

be completely different from one designed to determine if a person otherwise

physically healthy is mentally ill. It is not easy to fake mental illness at

all.

Dave Fales wrote:the thing is there is no thing saying if

they have mental or not. those test

are easy to fake. I know when they did my ampuation I had to see a shrink

guy and I coudl tell from his queestion what type of ansers he would want to

here. so you anser them the way they want to ehre then and they say yep your

menlty ill.

__________________________________________________

February 28, 2005

Hey Tam, gov. systems; insurance; red tape; etc. are for the birds. But just

keep

trying. You are worth it.

Lou

tam wrote:

>

> Hey , thanks for the words, not to 'excuse' mental illness, but I am

one of the ones who has a nightmare just trying to cope with my mood swings, and

not being able to afford the meds I need so I can work. I hate to see how easy

it seems for others to do the things I fight to do. Many have made me feel

ashamed for even trying for disability. It's a battle sometimes just to care to

stay alive, let alone get my tail chewed out because I feel I need to get

disability, and all my 'friends' can say is if I got a job it would solve all my

problems...maybe some financial ones...but not the actual problem of functioning

in the real world the way one is expected to.

>

> Not making excuses, just want to live a somewhat normal life for God's sake. I

liked working and was proud of what I did, but couldn't do it, couldn't see well

enough, besides not coping well. It bites. I would not mind working either, if

it was something I could do and keep!

>

> Tam

> ----- Original Message -----

>

February 28, 2005

they told me in so many words

when you go blind

loose a limb

need a new kidney

give us a call back

--

Lord, where we're wrong, make us willing to change; where we're right, make us

easy to live with.

Lynda

February 28, 2005

no I didnt i jsut said there are a majorty out there on disabilty that have

no rsion for it. especly with arhrites yea a few wpoeple probly do have a

low pain tolonrce nd cant out up with the paina nd need it . but there are

also alot that don't need it .

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: Re: disability

>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:49:54 -0500

>

February 28, 2005

no I didnt i jsut said there are a majorty out there on disabilty that have

no rsion for it. especly with arhrites yea a few wpoeple probly do have a

low pain tolonrce nd cant out up with the paina nd need it . but there are

also alot that don't need it .

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: Re: disability

>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:49:54 -0500

>

February 28, 2005

any one that wanted to get on disabilty for mental ilness it would be easy

belive me i have seent he metnal ilness tests they ask you a buch of

question and it dont take much to figure out what they want to know and to

ansert he question the wayt hey want them to be answerd.

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: Re: disability

>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:09:05 -0800 (PST)

>

February 28, 2005

any one that wanted to get on disabilty for mental ilness it would be easy

belive me i have seent he metnal ilness tests they ask you a buch of

question and it dont take much to figure out what they want to know and to

ansert he question the wayt hey want them to be answerd.

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: Re: disability

>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:09:05 -0800 (PST)

>

February 28, 2005

belive me I worked in a hsoitle has a m,etal helath tech. and those tests

don't take a genioues to fake. and i am not syaing evry one out there wioth

a mental ilnes are fakes there a re a few out there tht do have mental

liness but also there are a lot fo fakes out there.

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: Re: disability

>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:07:46 -0800 (PST)

>

February 28, 2005

belive me I worked in a hsoitle has a m,etal helath tech. and those tests

don't take a genioues to fake. and i am not syaing evry one out there wioth

a mental ilnes are fakes there a re a few out there tht do have mental

liness but also there are a lot fo fakes out there.

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: Re: disability

>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:07:46 -0800 (PST)

>

February 28, 2005

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:22:05 -0800 (PST)

writes:

>

> His mother's in a wheelchair and he called her a slacker, too.

> Which earned this troll a trip to my ignore list. I won't have to

> see any of that garbage again.

>

I saw that. He said his mother was in a wheelchair because she was lazy.

So I guess Dave taking any advise from his own mother as to people in

glass houses throwing stones, might be wishful thinking. I also noticed

that first he had a friend who was a lawyer and then it became his friend

the lawyer was his disability lawyer. If this lawyer/friend charges him

then cross off the friend part. A more logical scenerio might be that

this lawyer decided that Dave was eligible to file for disability due to

mental conditions and that she didn't want to represent him and used the

excuse that she didn't handle mental disability cases.

Regardless, it seems that Dave has missed some of his anger management

classes because he is angry about a lot of things besides SSDI so you are

probably smarter than me. Ignoring him is probably the best medicine.

Lets see, do you think one dose of ignore Dave will do the trick?

Thanks for the sensibility.

> Samante wrote:I'd like to cast my vote

> with those who are responding to Dave's post. I

> am new to this list but I " know " a lot of these posters from other

> lists

> and I am amazed at their patience in dealing with your judgmental

> posts.

> You basically call Helen's husband a slacker because his arthritis

> does

> not allow him to work. You call people with mental impairments

> *mentals*.

> You claim to have the answer for those who say they are in too much

> pain

> to work to " deal with it " . You " know for a fact " that SSDI has a

> computer

> that spits out rejections at will, and all the time you are sending

> out

> these missiles of mass destruction, you are doing so without looking

> at

> what you typed or using spell check or maybe they are in a

> different

> language because it takes a special kind of patience to decipher

> your

> special code. Did your mother ever tell you that people in glass

> houses

> should not throw stones? This might be a good time to heed that

> advise

> cause your plan doesn't seem to be working.

>

> Of course, like everything having to do with DM, YMMV

>

February 28, 2005